southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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Probably not, but we beat teams that do.

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Teams? We have 3 wins. The only team comparable might be Auburn but we had the #17 portal class, they had the #27 and the suggestion that San Diego State and UC Davis have anything close to our NIL is laughable.

I wish there were an alternate universe where you could go have Knowlton and Wilcox for 20 years and enjoy losing twice as many conference games as you win and call it "good" and those of us who believe Cal can do a lot better would not have to constantly argue the point.

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Fire Starkey said:

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as our window to stay with the big boys probably evaporates after '25.

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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BearChemist said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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Probably not, but we beat teams that do.

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Teams? We have 3 wins. The only team comparable might be Auburn but we had the #17 portal class, they had the #27 and the suggestion that San Diego State and UC Davis have anything close to our NIL is laughable.

I wish there were an alternate universe where you could go have Knowlton and Wilcox for 20 years and enjoy losing twice as many conference games as you win and call it "good" and those of us who believe Cal can do a lot better would not have to constantly argue the point.

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You are wasting time reasoning with Wilcox apologists.

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I don't apologize for Wilcox, but I won't accept Calumnus' lies and exaggerations because he wants Wilcox gone now.

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I don't know Calumnus, but he is usually spot on, and I think it's clear he wants Wilcox gone because in 7 prior years Wilcox has yet to have a winning conference record and in his 8th year is 0-3. Even with the benefit of padded seasons with low level competition, he has had only 2 seasons with winning records, and only 1 bowl victory (the mighty Redbox Bowl where we beat a 6-6 Illinois team- wow!). Wilcox "earns" $5 million per year. He must be one of the highest paid coaches in the country in terms of dollars per victory.

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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BearChemist said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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Probably not, but we beat teams that do.

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Teams? We have 3 wins. The only team comparable might be Auburn but we had the #17 portal class, they had the #27 and the suggestion that San Diego State and UC Davis have anything close to our NIL is laughable.

I wish there were an alternate universe where you could go have Knowlton and Wilcox for 20 years and enjoy losing twice as many conference games as you win and call it "good" and those of us who believe Cal can do a lot better would not have to constantly argue the point.

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You are wasting time reasoning with Wilcox apologists.

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I don't apologize for Wilcox, but I won't accept Calumnus' lies and exaggerations because he wants Wilcox gone now.

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I don't know Calumnus, but he is usually spot on, and I think it's clear he wants Wilcox gone because in 7 prior years Wilcox has yet to have a winning conference record and in his 8th year is 0-3. Even with the benefit of padded seasons with low level competition, he has had only 2 seasons with winning records, and only 1 bowl victory (the mighty Redbox Bowl where we beat a 6-6 Illinois team- wow!). Wilcox "earns" $5 million per year. He must be one of the highest paid coaches in the country in terms of dollars per victory.

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We have had tough SOS every year under Wilcox, except this year, in which case we are expecting a winning record. Just looking at two teams we already played, Norvell and Hugh Freeze make much more per victory than Wilcox. Wilcox gets mediocre results and makes a mediocre P4 salary. Because we expect more from our program, Wilcox should be let go if he can't win at least 15 games the next two seasons. If he does, as I have argued before, he should get a soft extension with a low buyout. Alternatively, if Calumnus can put together 20 million dollars, he should work on getting Ron Rivera into the fold. I wouldn't argue with that. I am only arguing with his exaggerated, emotional garbage.

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Seriously, "tough SOS every year?" Snyder and Tedford had tough SOS every year and at the peak of their careers they had to compete against a conference foe that was the eventual national champion (Washington and SC). After 8 years, it's time stop making excuses and hold Wilcox and his cronies accountable. We have a unique opportunity to reestablish our program in a new conference. The future is now.

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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BearChemist said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

---

If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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Probably not, but we beat teams that do.

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Teams? We have 3 wins. The only team comparable might be Auburn but we had the #17 portal class, they had the #27 and the suggestion that San Diego State and UC Davis have anything close to our NIL is laughable.

I wish there were an alternate universe where you could go have Knowlton and Wilcox for 20 years and enjoy losing twice as many conference games as you win and call it "good" and those of us who believe Cal can do a lot better would not have to constantly argue the point.

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You are wasting time reasoning with Wilcox apologists.

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I don't apologize for Wilcox, but I won't accept Calumnus' lies and exaggerations because he wants Wilcox gone now.

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I don't know Calumnus, but he is usually spot on, and I think it's clear he wants Wilcox gone because in 7 prior years Wilcox has yet to have a winning conference record and in his 8th year is 0-3. Even with the benefit of padded seasons with low level competition, he has had only 2 seasons with winning records, and only 1 bowl victory (the mighty Redbox Bowl where we beat a 6-6 Illinois team- wow!). Wilcox "earns" $5 million per year. He must be one of the highest paid coaches in the country in terms of dollars per victory.

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We have had tough SOS every year under Wilcox, except this year, in which case we are expecting a winning record. Just looking at two teams we already played, Norvell and Hugh Freeze make much more per victory than Wilcox. Wilcox gets mediocre results and makes a mediocre P4 salary. Because we expect more from our program, Wilcox should be let go if he can't win at least 15 games the next two seasons. If he does, as I have argued before, he should get a soft extension with a low buyout. Alternatively, if Calumnus can put together 20 million dollars, he should work on getting Ron Rivera into the fold. I wouldn't argue with that. I am only arguing with his exaggerated, emotional garbage.

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Cal SOS since 2010

2010 #7
2011 #39
2012 #9
2013 #2
2014 #15
2015 #13
2016 #6
2017 #59
2018 #61
2019 #42
2020 #81
2021 #83
2022 #49
2023 #29
2024 #63

Wilcox has benefited from the easiest strength of schedule for a Cal coach in over 100 years including playing an FCS team every year (except 2020) and a prolonged down period for USC, UCLA and Stanford.

*source: Sports-reference.com

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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BearChemist said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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Probably not, but we beat teams that do.

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Teams? We have 3 wins. The only team comparable might be Auburn but we had the #17 portal class, they had the #27 and the suggestion that San Diego State and UC Davis have anything close to our NIL is laughable.

I wish there were an alternate universe where you could go have Knowlton and Wilcox for 20 years and enjoy losing twice as many conference games as you win and call it "good" and those of us who believe Cal can do a lot better would not have to constantly argue the point.

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You are wasting time reasoning with Wilcox apologists.

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I don't apologize for Wilcox, but I won't accept Calumnus' lies and exaggerations because he wants Wilcox gone now.

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I don't know Calumnus, but he is usually spot on, and I think it's clear he wants Wilcox gone because in 7 prior years Wilcox has yet to have a winning conference record and in his 8th year is 0-3. Even with the benefit of padded seasons with low level competition, he has had only 2 seasons with winning records, and only 1 bowl victory (the mighty Redbox Bowl where we beat a 6-6 Illinois team- wow!). Wilcox "earns" $5 million per year. He must be one of the highest paid coaches in the country in terms of dollars per victory.

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We have had tough SOS every year under Wilcox, except this year, in which case we are expecting a winning record. Just looking at two teams we already played, Norvell and Hugh Freeze make much more per victory than Wilcox. Wilcox gets mediocre results and makes a mediocre P4 salary. Because we expect more from our program, Wilcox should be let go if he can't win at least 15 games the next two seasons. If he does, as I have argued before, he should get a soft extension with a low buyout. Alternatively, if Calumnus can put together 20 million dollars, he should work on getting Ron Rivera into the fold. I wouldn't argue with that. I am only arguing with his exaggerated, emotional garbage.

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Cal SOS since 2010

2010 #7
2011 #39
2012 #9
2013 #2
2014 #15
2015 #13
2016 #6
2017 #59
2018 #61
2019 #42
2020 #81
2021 #83
2022 #49
2023 #29
2024 #63

Wilcox has benefited from the easiest strength of schedule for a Cal coach in over 100 years including playing an FCS team every year (except 2020) and a prolonged down period for USC, UCLA and Stanford.

*source: Sports-reference.com

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Yes, middle of the pack. 2020 was the severely shortened covid year where we could barely field a team. My source shows the easier years SOS in the 50s and 60s, not 80s.

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"Middle of the pack" when we were usually Top 20s before. 2020 is a red herring. We had an easier schedule the next year. Under Wilcox we have had among the easiest scheduled for a P5 team. Name a Cal coach that has had easier schedules?

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BearChemist said:

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oski003, please use your talking points to get Wilcox hired at Oregon or anywhere else on the planet as a football head coach or water boy. You will be doing Cal a great service.

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82gradDLSdad said:

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oski003 said:

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BearChemist said:

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oski003, please use your talking points to get Wilcox hired at Oregon or anywhere else on the planet as a football head coach or water boy. You will be doing Cal a great service.

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My talking points aren't good enough to get Wilcox hired at Oregon. Most of the professional analysts in CFB think higher of Wilcox than I do. My talking points are good enough for a financially struggling AD to not pay a $20 million dollar buyout to fire him. I am sorry I live in reality.

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21-40 in conference. Love to meet these professional analysts. I may have found my new retirement job. What do they earn?

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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oski003 said:

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BearChemist said:

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oski003, please use your talking points to get Wilcox hired at Oregon or anywhere else on the planet as a football head coach or water boy. You will be doing Cal a great service.

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My talking points aren't good enough to get Wilcox hired at Oregon. Most of the professional analysts in CFB think higher of Wilcox than I do. My talking points are good enough for a financially struggling AD to not pay a $20 million dollar buyout to fire him. I am sorry I live in reality.

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21-40 in conference. Love to meet these professional analysts. I may have found my new retirement job. What do they earn?

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The College GameDay anchors make around $2 million annually.

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Wilcox makes 2 1/2 times that amount.

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oski003 said:

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82gradDLSdad said:

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oski003 said:

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BearChemist said:

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oski003, please use your talking points to get Wilcox hired at Oregon or anywhere else on the planet as a football head coach or water boy. You will be doing Cal a great service.

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My talking points aren't good enough to get Wilcox hired at Oregon. Most of the professional analysts in CFB think higher of Wilcox than I do. My talking points are good enough for a financially struggling AD to not pay a $20 million dollar buyout to fire him. I am sorry I live in reality.

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21-40 in conference. Love to meet these professional analysts. I may have found my new retirement job. What do they earn?

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The College GameDay anchors make around $2 million annually.

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Fire Starkey said:

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sycasey said:

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Fire Starkey said:

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as our window to stay with the big boys probably evaporates after '25.

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I don't deny that Cal needs to work to stay relevant, but why do you say 2025 here? It seems exceedingly unlikely that the ACC will fall apart by next year, and the next major conference TV rights aren't up until 2030.

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It's a combination of things and it's just my opinion. '25 is by far our easiest schedule and the opportunity to have a 10+ win season will be tougher later. The opportunity to "change the narrative on Cal football" will be an uphill battle after '25. '26 we add Clemson and BYU to the schedule for example, both teams better than any team we play in '25. '27 is much tougher with BYU, Miami and a presumably improved Florida State. Etc.
I also had originally thought we had til '28 or so before the realignment mess reared it's ugly head again but I am increasingly sure that the SEC and Big18 with whatever other "superpower" teams will split off from the NCAA earlier than expected with ESPN and Fox's blessing. The number of teams that split off is critical. If it's 48 or more, I think we are fine. 40, we are on the bubble. Less than that and we're out.
Can the TV contracts hold things together til '30? Maybe but I am skeptical. We'll see. The more time we have the better but the need to build a national brand is immediate.

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Fire Starkey said:

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sycasey said:

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Fire Starkey said:

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as our window to stay with the big boys probably evaporates after '25.

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I don't deny that Cal needs to work to stay relevant, but why do you say 2025 here? It seems exceedingly unlikely that the ACC will fall apart by next year, and the next major conference TV rights aren't up until 2030.

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It's a combination of things and it's just my opinion. '25 is by far our easiest schedule and the opportunity to have a 10+ win season will be tougher later. The opportunity to "change the narrative on Cal football" will be an uphill battle after '25. '26 we add Clemson and BYU to the schedule for example, both teams better than any team we play in '25. '27 is much tougher with BYU, Miami and a presumably improved Florida State. Etc.
I also had originally thought we had til '28 or so before the realignment mess reared it's ugly head again but I am increasingly sure that the SEC and Big18 with whatever other "superpower" teams will split off from the NCAA earlier than expected with ESPN and Fox's blessing. The number of teams that split off is critical. If it's 48 or more, I think we are fine. 40, we are on the bubble. Less than that and we're out.
Can the TV contracts hold things together til '30? Maybe but I am skeptical. We'll see. The more time we have the better but the need to build a national brand is immediate.

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oski003 said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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BearChemist said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

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If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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Probably not, but we beat teams that do.

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Teams? We have 3 wins. The only team comparable might be Auburn but we had the #17 portal class, they had the #27 and the suggestion that San Diego State and UC Davis have anything close to our NIL is laughable.

I wish there were an alternate universe where you could go have Knowlton and Wilcox for 20 years and enjoy losing twice as many conference games as you win and call it "good" and those of us who believe Cal can do a lot better would not have to constantly argue the point.

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You are wasting time reasoning with Wilcox apologists.

---

I don't apologize for Wilcox, but I won't accept Calumnus' lies and exaggerations because he wants Wilcox gone now.

---

I don't know Calumnus, but he is usually spot on, and I think it's clear he wants Wilcox gone because in 7 prior years Wilcox has yet to have a winning conference record and in his 8th year is 0-3. Even with the benefit of padded seasons with low level competition, he has had only 2 seasons with winning records, and only 1 bowl victory (the mighty Redbox Bowl where we beat a 6-6 Illinois team- wow!). Wilcox "earns" $5 million per year. He must be one of the highest paid coaches in the country in terms of dollars per victory.

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We have had tough SOS every year under Wilcox, except this year, in which case we are expecting a winning record. Just looking at two teams we already played, Norvell and Hugh Freeze make much more per victory than Wilcox. Wilcox gets mediocre results and makes a mediocre P4 salary. Because we expect more from our program, Wilcox should be let go if he can't win at least 15 games the next two seasons. If he does, as I have argued before, he should get a soft extension with a low buyout. Alternatively, if Calumnus can put together 20 million dollars, he should work on getting Ron Rivera into the fold. I wouldn't argue with that. I am only arguing with his exaggerated, emotional garbage.

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Cal SOS since 2010

2010 #7
2011 #39
2012 #9
2013 #2
2014 #15
2015 #13
2016 #6
2017 #59
2018 #61
2019 #42
2020 #81
2021 #83
2022 #49
2023 #29
2024 #63

Wilcox has benefited from the easiest strength of schedule for a Cal coach in over 100 years including playing an FCS team every year (except 2020) and a prolonged down period for USC, UCLA and Stanford.

*source: Sports-reference.com

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Yes, middle of the pack as I stated above. 2020 was the severely shortened covid year where we could barely field a team. My source shows the easier years SOS in the 50s and 60s, not 80s.

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BearChemist said:

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oski003 said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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BearChemist said:

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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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oski003 said:

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southseasbear said:

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Bowlesman80 said:

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And, yet, from various pundits and coaches, we hear a continuous chorus of praise about Wilcox.

"WIlcox is a good coach."
-NC State Coach in Presser

"We know Justin Wilcox is a good coach."
-Mark Packer ACC PM

Chip Patterson, after our loss to Pitt, could not understand why Cal Twitter was complaining about Justin Wilcox.

My take, regardless of how I feel about JW (I say we wait 1.5 seasons):

New to conference Honeymoon (not in terms of officiating, just cordiality). It's bad form for the conference and outsiders to openly criticize.

I can't figure out whether or not Patterson was being sarcastic, since he started the whole Insta Reaction on Sunday with a snipe about Cal's kicking.

---

If I were the coach of another team in the conference, I would want Cal to keep Wilcox too, particularly with Cal getting NIL. I'm sure there were Pac-10 coaches who sung the praises of Gilbertson and Holmoe.

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Is Cal the only school getting NIL? You talk like this is unique to us.

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Not the only school, but do you think the NC State (whose coach praised Wilcox) is getting more than us?

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Probably not, but we beat teams that do.

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Teams? We have 3 wins. The only team comparable might be Auburn but we had the #17 portal class, they had the #27 and the suggestion that San Diego State and UC Davis have anything close to our NIL is laughable.

I wish there were an alternate universe where you could go have Knowlton and Wilcox for 20 years and enjoy losing twice as many conference games as you win and call it "good" and those of us who believe Cal can do a lot better would not have to constantly argue the point.

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You are wasting time reasoning with Wilcox apologists.

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I don't apologize for Wilcox, but I won't accept Calumnus' lies and exaggerations because he wants Wilcox gone now.

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I don't know Calumnus, but he is usually spot on, and I think it's clear he wants Wilcox gone because in 7 prior years Wilcox has yet to have a winning conference record and in his 8th year is 0-3. Even with the benefit of padded seasons with low level competition, he has had only 2 seasons with winning records, and only 1 bowl victory (the mighty Redbox Bowl where we beat a 6-6 Illinois team- wow!). Wilcox "earns" $5 million per year. He must be one of the highest paid coaches in the country in terms of dollars per victory.

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We have had tough SOS every year under Wilcox, except this year, in which case we are expecting a winning record. Just looking at two teams we already played, Norvell and Hugh Freeze make much more per victory than Wilcox. Wilcox gets mediocre results and makes a mediocre P4 salary. Because we expect more from our program, Wilcox should be let go if he can't win at least 15 games the next two seasons. If he does, as I have argued before, he should get a soft extension with a low buyout. Alternatively, if Calumnus can put together 20 million dollars, he should work on getting Ron Rivera into the fold. I wouldn't argue with that. I am only arguing with his exaggerated, emotional garbage.

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Cal SOS since 2010

2010 #7
2011 #39
2012 #9
2013 #2
2014 #15
2015 #13
2016 #6
2017 #59
2018 #61
2019 #42
2020 #81
2021 #83
2022 #49
2023 #29
2024 #63

Wilcox has benefited from the easiest strength of schedule for a Cal coach in over 100 years including playing an FCS team every year (except 2020) and a prolonged down period for USC, UCLA and Stanford.

*source: Sports-reference.com

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Yes, middle of the pack as I stated above. 2020 was the severely shortened covid year where we could barely field a team. My source shows the easier years SOS in the 50s and 60s, not 80s.

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Also oski003: "We have had tough SOS every year under Wilcox, except this year."

Geez.

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