Pittstop said:

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diva1 said:

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Wasn't Ludwig the OC under Holmoe? And wasn't everyone calling for his scalp back then? Kind of funny how he went to Utah and had a pretty good run

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Plus...he's got to be OLD(ish) by now.

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60 years old.

DaveT said:

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Econ141 said:

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This hire needs to understand that they will essentially be the head coach elect.

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Which is why we may be able to attract a decent OC if we give them some assurances of control and autonomy. You're a hero if the team does well, and you may get a HC shot if it does poorly (provided the offense improves).

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Still wish it was Rivera doing the hiring.

I will wait and see who Wilcox gets this time, but I will be happy with some combination of UNLV's Marion and Sagapolutele maintaining his commitment.

southseasbear said:

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Pittstop said:

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diva1 said:

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Wasn't Ludwig the OC under Holmoe? And wasn't everyone calling for his scalp back then? Kind of funny how he went to Utah and had a pretty good run

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Plus...he's got to be OLD(ish) by now.

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60 years old.

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Ludwig was OC under Tedford in 2009 and 2020. In 2010 with a senior Riley (then Brock Mansion), Shane Vereen at RB, Keenan Allen and Marvin Jones at WR we had the #73 offense and went 5-7.

With Ludwig gone the next year we had the #53 offense with Zach Maynard at QB and Sofele at RB, won 7 games and went to the Holliday Bowl.

calumnus said:

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southseasbear said:

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Pittstop said:

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diva1 said:

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Wasn't Ludwig the OC under Holmoe? And wasn't everyone calling for his scalp back then? Kind of funny how he went to Utah and had a pretty good run

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Plus...he's got to be OLD(ish) by now.

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60 years old.

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Ludwig was OC under Tedford in 2009 and 2020. In 2010 with a senior Riley (then Brock Mansion), Shane Vereen at RB, Keenan Allen and Marvin Jones at WR we had the #73 offense and went 5-7.

With Ludwig gone the next year we had the #53 offense with Zach Maynard at QB and Sofele at RB, won 7 games and went to the Holliday Bowl.

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Sounds perfect!

bencgilmore said:

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maybe this'll be the one!

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We should have the equipment manager to help out

oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Golden One said:

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A new OC won't make any difference as long as Wilcox is still head coach.

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No good OC would want to come here. They would have to deal with Wilcox meddling and would be the first on the chopping block since there is no chance that Wilcox is fired

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Wilcox gets criticized on this site for both
1) being a head coach who only focuses on defenses and leaves his OC to be on his own; and
2) meddling with the offense.

Which one is true?

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Only simple minded Wilcox apologists think in black and white terms.

1. Wilcox has heavily on defense, hiring two DB coaches and 0 dedicated coach for OL or ST, two of the weakest parts of the teams. Meanwhile the defense has performed worse as the season went on and often falls apart in the late game

2. No matter which of his 4 OCs have been in charge, the team consistently tries to force runs down the middle for no gain. Either Wilcox only hires OCs with identical poor play calling or he's involved in the plays himself. The fact that the one decent OC left for a lateral role before the bowl game after a single season suggests disagreements with play calling responsibilities.

Rolo would be solid.

Or go poach Stutzman from across the bay -- similar deal.

killa22 said:

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Rolo would be solid.

Or go poach Stutzman from across the bay -- similar deal.

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Rolo was fired at WSU for more than his anti mask, anti COVID vaccine opposition. He kicked Cassidy Woods off the team because he was involved in a group promoting racial Justice. If that doesn't fly in Eastern Washington, how does it fly in Berkeley? Imagine the negative recruiting against him with black players?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2021/09/01/washington-state-coach-nick-rolovich-sued-ex-player-kassidy-woods/5683198001/

calumnus said:

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killa22 said:

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Rolo would be solid.

Or go poach Stutzman from across the bay -- similar deal.

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Rolo was fired at WSU for more than his anti mask, anti COVID vaccine opposition. He kicked Cassidy Woods off the team because he was involved in a group promoting racial Justice. If that doesn't fly in Eastern Washington, how does it fly in Berkeley? Imagine the negative recruiting against him with black players?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2021/09/01/washington-state-coach-nick-rolovich-sued-ex-player-kassidy-woods/5683198001/

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Racial justice was just one component of their demands. Members of the group refused to play until all of the below conditions were met:

Pac-12 Football Unity Demands:
To Protect and Benefit Both Scholarship and Walk-On Athletes

I. Health & Safety Protections
COVID-19 Protections

1. Allow option not to play during the pandemic without losing athletics eligibility or spot on our team's roster.
2. Prohibit/void COVID-19 agreements that waive liability.

Mandatory Safety Standards, Including COVID-19 Measures
Player-approved health and safety standards enforced by a third party selected by players to address COVID-19, as well as serious injury, abuse and death.
II. Protect All Sports
Preserve All Existing Sports by Eliminating Excessive Expenditures
Larry Scott, administrators, and coaches to voluntarily and drastically reduce excessive pay.
End performance/academic bonuses.
End lavish facility expenditures and use some endowment funds to preserve all sports.*

*As an example, Stanford University should reinstate all sports discontinued by tapping into their $27.7 billion endowment.

III. End Racial Injustice in College Sports and Society
Form a permanent civic-engagement task force made up of our leaders, experts of our choice, and university and conference administrators to address outstanding issues such as racial injustice in college sports and in society.
In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.
IV. Economic Freedom and Equity
Guaranteed Medical Expense Coverage
Medical insurance selected by players for sports-related medical conditions, including COVID- 19 illness, to cover six years after college athletics eligibility ends.
Name, Image, and Likeness Rights & Representation
The freedom to secure representation, receive basic necessities from any third party, and earn money for use of our name, image, and likeness rights.
Fair Market Pay, Rights, & Freedoms
Distribute 50% of each sport's total conference revenue evenly among athletes in their respective sports.
Six-year athletic scholarships to foster undergraduate and graduate degree completion.
Elimination of all policies and practices restricting or deterring our freedom of speech, our ability to fully participate in charitable work, and our freedom to participate in campus activities outside of mandatory athletics participation.
Ability of players of all sports to transfer one time without punishment, and additionally in cases of abuse or serious negligence.
Ability to complete eligibility after participating in a pro draft if player goes undrafted and foregoes professional participation within seven days of the draft.
Due process rights.

calumnus said:

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killa22 said:

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Rolo would be solid.

Or go poach Stutzman from across the bay -- similar deal.

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Rolo was fired at WSU for more than his anti mask, anti COVID vaccine opposition. He kicked Cassidy Woods off the team because he was involved in a group promoting racial Justice. If that doesn't fly in Eastern Washington, how does it fly in Berkeley? Imagine the negative recruiting against him with black players?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2021/09/01/washington-state-coach-nick-rolovich-sued-ex-player-kassidy-woods/5683198001/

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Another article on Rolovich
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/sports/coronavirus-college-athletes-opt-out.html

oski003 said:

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calumnus said:

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killa22 said:

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Rolo would be solid.

Or go poach Stutzman from across the bay -- similar deal.

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Rolo was fired at WSU for more than his anti mask, anti COVID vaccine opposition. He kicked Cassidy Woods off the team because he was involved in a group promoting racial Justice. If that doesn't fly in Eastern Washington, how does it fly in Berkeley? Imagine the negative recruiting against him with black players?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2021/09/01/washington-state-coach-nick-rolovich-sued-ex-player-kassidy-woods/5683198001/

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Racial justice was just one component of their demands. Members of the group refused to play until all of the below conditions were met:

Pac-12 Football Unity Demands:
To Protect and Benefit Both Scholarship and Walk-On Athletes

I. Health & Safety Protections
COVID-19 Protections

1. Allow option not to play during the pandemic without losing athletics eligibility or spot on our team's roster.
2. Prohibit/void COVID-19 agreements that waive liability.

Mandatory Safety Standards, Including COVID-19 Measures
Player-approved health and safety standards enforced by a third party selected by players to address COVID-19, as well as serious injury, abuse and death.
II. Protect All Sports
Preserve All Existing Sports by Eliminating Excessive Expenditures
Larry Scott, administrators, and coaches to voluntarily and drastically reduce excessive pay.
End performance/academic bonuses.
End lavish facility expenditures and use some endowment funds to preserve all sports.*

*As an example, Stanford University should reinstate all sports discontinued by tapping into their $27.7 billion endowment.

III. End Racial Injustice in College Sports and Society
Form a permanent civic-engagement task force made up of our leaders, experts of our choice, and university and conference administrators to address outstanding issues such as racial injustice in college sports and in society.
In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.
IV. Economic Freedom and Equity
Guaranteed Medical Expense Coverage
Medical insurance selected by players for sports-related medical conditions, including COVID- 19 illness, to cover six years after college athletics eligibility ends.
Name, Image, and Likeness Rights & Representation
The freedom to secure representation, receive basic necessities from any third party, and earn money for use of our name, image, and likeness rights.
Fair Market Pay, Rights, & Freedoms
Distribute 50% of each sport's total conference revenue evenly among athletes in their respective sports.
Six-year athletic scholarships to foster undergraduate and graduate degree completion.
Elimination of all policies and practices restricting or deterring our freedom of speech, our ability to fully participate in charitable work, and our freedom to participate in campus activities outside of mandatory athletics participation.
Ability of players of all sports to transfer one time without punishment, and additionally in cases of abuse or serious negligence.
Ability to complete eligibility after participating in a pro draft if player goes undrafted and foregoes professional participation within seven days of the draft.
Due process rights.

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And Rolovich kicked Cassidy off the team for aligning with them then lied about it.

killa22 said:

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Rolo would be solid.

Or go poach Stutzman from across the bay -- similar deal.

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Killa, what did you think of this year's Cal offense under Bloesch and how much do you think his "dual role" contributed to our poor OL play (or, what else was the problem there, in the trenches)?

From the discussions about why Spav left it was made clear that Wilcox likes to do offense by comittee, so you get the feeling he sits in on the room during the planning.

Wilcox doesn't know offense well, but he knows defense. I get the feeling he looks at each play as a "how would I defend that play?" If he has a good defense for it, knowing what the play is, he veto's it / throws it out. This leads to multiple things we have seen on repeat regardless of who the OC is:

1) A lack of a coherent identity/strategy. Its a hodge podge of "That looks good!" in isolation, but no two plays build off eachother. We randomly go empty set. We don't repeat things that work. We don't have counters. When a play doesn't work it isn't building to anything down the line...its just a failed play.

2) A lot of very difficult to defend low percentage plays. Deep passes down the sideline ring any bells?

3) When the experts describe Wilcox's defense they use one word in particular. Disciplined. What does discipline negate? Misdirection. It seems like we have very few misdirection plays because Wilcox knows how to defend those...by ascribing discipline to the defense.

This is also why we are so good at losing to winless teams. Teams that perform as poorly relative to their talent level as Florida State did this year do so because they have no discipline. If you refuse to call plays that take advantage of that you play right into their strengths and you make bad teams look good.

4) His most recent vice: The RPO. RPO is hard to defend because it forces the defense to commit and allows you to do something else. But there is a downside. The RPO puts a lot of pressure on the offensive line. They have to both runblock AND pass block on every play and they don't know which optino was taken until AFTER the play is over. You don't see offensive linemen 10 yards down field blocking because they can't go more than 2 yards downfield.

This is also a large part of why the Jet looks so much better than Ott this year. Ott ran almost exclusively in RPO plays, where as the Jet rarely ran RPO plays. When the o-line is able to asert its dominance and push its way downfield it opens up holes. When they can't push downfield and have to also pass protect they can't open big holes, leading to walls for Ott to run into.

Wilcox needs to find an OC and get the eff out of the way. Get his fingerprints OFF the offense.

Would love to see Stutzmann be the hire. Young ascending coach with strong west coast (& espescially Hawaii) ties.

BeggarEd said:

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Would love to see Stutzmann be the hire. Young ascending coach with strong west coast (& espescially Hawaii) ties.

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Why would he want to work for Wilcox.

southseasbear said:

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BeggarEd said:

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Would love to see Stutzmann be the hire. Young ascending coach with strong west coast (& espescially Hawaii) ties.

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Why would he want to work for Wilcox.

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Or, why would anyone want to come to Cal knowing that the transfer portal will deplete and reload every year making it an OC nightmare? I know I know, other schools do this, more how often will this work now??

More money. Opportunity to move to a P4 conference

+2 conference.

southseasbear said:

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BeggarEd said:

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Would love to see Stutzmann be the hire. Young ascending coach with strong west coast (& espescially Hawaii) ties.

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Why would he want to work for Wilcox.

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why would anyone care about ur wilcox opinion after ur brilliant counsel that 4.0 gpa kai milner (and his little league dad) should walk away from a berkeley degree (and potential acceptance into the haas biz school) in order to transfer to northern arizona university & become qb2??

r u an educator or a life coach by profession??

Does anyone else feel a little optimistic about this? I mean we have had way worse offenses under Baldwin and Musgrave and they had longer leashes.

I feel like something is already in the works that may be a big hire? I could be wrong (Most likely) of course and we could just see another subpar hire from Wilcox.

MrGPAC said:

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3) When the experts describe Wilcox's defense they use one word in particular. Disciplined. What does discipline negate? Misdirection. It seems like we have very few misdirection plays because Wilcox knows how to defend those...by ascribing discipline to the defense.

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4) His most recent vice: The RPO. RPO is hard to defend because it forces the defense to commit and allows you to do something else. But there is a downside. The RPO puts a lot of pressure on the offensive line. They have to both runblock AND pass block on every play and they don't know which optino was taken until AFTER the play is over. You don't see offensive linemen 10 yards down field blocking because they can't go more than 2 yards downfield.

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We did try misdirection. We ran a ton of jet sweeps (probably twice a game) that didn't go anywhere. And as you noted, we ran RPO/play action that also didn't go anywhere.

concerned, did u watch every second of cal football in person this season like shocky?

the bears did NOT run a "ton" of misdirection which is why opponents stacked the interior box for predictable run schemes which significantly contributed to a preseason heisman candidate rushing for 2 yards per carry this season & the replacement of the current offensive coordinator

Shocky1 said:

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concerned, did u watch every second of cal football in person this season like shocky?

the bears did NOT run a "ton" of misdirection which is why opponents stacked the interior box for predictable run schemes which significantly contributed to a preseason heisman candidate rushing for 2 yards per carry this season & the replacement of the current offensive coordinator

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2 jet sweeps a game is a "ton" for a play that we clearly cannot execute.

Shocky1 said:

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southseasbear said:

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BeggarEd said:

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Would love to see Stutzmann be the hire. Young ascending coach with strong west coast (& espescially Hawaii) ties.

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Why would he want to work for Wilcox.

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why would anyone care about ur wilcox opinion after ur brilliant counsel that 4.0 gpa kai milner (and his little league dad) should walk away from a berkeley degree (and potential acceptance into the haas biz school) in order to transfer to northern arizona university & become qb2??

r u an educator or a life coach by profession??

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I could address your inability to use capital letter not to mention your use of the collequial "r u," but let me just say it's clear from your message that you do not know me nor do you know Kai Milner (and what he wants to get out of college). In no way, did I "counsel" Mr. Milner. Had I done so, it would have been private and not expressed on a public message board.

There are many good universities and colleges. This may be a challenging statement for someone who is simple minded, but what academic institutions offer or porentially offer a student is not easily quantified. In other words, Cal is a great university, but (this may "shock" you) it is not for everyone.

Now about your failure to understand simple rules of capitalization . . .

southseas, ok my apologies re: ur intellect as ur knowledge of capitalization/punctuation is clearly ELITE!!

shocky plays at a summer club in flagstaff (the best golf course in arizona) & he can tell u that nau's #1 career path for their grads is in hospitality

so from shocky's perspective kai gave up a potential haas biz ad degree & a future opportunity to venture capital finance a silicon valley start up or become a bro of wall street in order to become the weekend shift manager at the buffalo wild wings at the chandler fashion square mall

but yeah employees get 20% discounts on the mayonnaise ranchero wings or something

tc3590 said:

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Does anyone else feel a little optimistic about this? I mean we have had way worse offenses under Baldwin and Musgrave and they had longer leashes.

I feel like something is already in the works that may be a big hire? I could be wrong (Most likely) of course and we could just see another subpar hire from Wilcox.

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Yea, it's a little unusual they're making this change after only one season. Maybe JW feels he's on a short leash and needs drastic change to keep his job, or maybe he's being pressured to make this move. Hoping it signals patience is wearing thin somewhere and that more change is coming if we don't see immediate results.

oski003 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Golden One said:

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A new OC won't make any difference as long as Wilcox is still head coach.

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No good OC would want to come here. They would have to deal with Wilcox meddling and would be the first on the chopping block since there is no chance that Wilcox is fired

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Wilcox gets criticized on this site for both
1) being a head coach who only focuses on defenses and leaves his OC to be on his own; and
2) meddling with the offense.

Which one is true?

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Don't confuse us with facts. They get in the way of a good narrative
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calumnus said:

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oski003 said:

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calumnus said:

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killa22 said:

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Rolo would be solid.

Or go poach Stutzman from across the bay -- similar deal.

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Rolo was fired at WSU for more than his anti mask, anti COVID vaccine opposition. He kicked Cassidy Woods off the team because he was involved in a group promoting racial Justice. If that doesn't fly in Eastern Washington, how does it fly in Berkeley? Imagine the negative recruiting against him with black players?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2021/09/01/washington-state-coach-nick-rolovich-sued-ex-player-kassidy-woods/5683198001/

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Racial justice was just one component of their demands. Members of the group refused to play until all of the below conditions were met:

Pac-12 Football Unity Demands:
To Protect and Benefit Both Scholarship and Walk-On Athletes

I. Health & Safety Protections
COVID-19 Protections

1. Allow option not to play during the pandemic without losing athletics eligibility or spot on our team's roster.
2. Prohibit/void COVID-19 agreements that waive liability.

Mandatory Safety Standards, Including COVID-19 Measures
Player-approved health and safety standards enforced by a third party selected by players to address COVID-19, as well as serious injury, abuse and death.
II. Protect All Sports
Preserve All Existing Sports by Eliminating Excessive Expenditures
Larry Scott, administrators, and coaches to voluntarily and drastically reduce excessive pay.
End performance/academic bonuses.
End lavish facility expenditures and use some endowment funds to preserve all sports.*

*As an example, Stanford University should reinstate all sports discontinued by tapping into their $27.7 billion endowment.

III. End Racial Injustice in College Sports and Society
Form a permanent civic-engagement task force made up of our leaders, experts of our choice, and university and conference administrators to address outstanding issues such as racial injustice in college sports and in society.
In partnership with the Pac-12, 2% of conference revenue would be directed by players to support financial aid for low-income Black students, community initiatives, and development programs for college athletes on each campus.
Form annual Pac-12 Black College Athlete Summit with guaranteed representation of at least three athletes of our choice from every school.
IV. Economic Freedom and Equity
Guaranteed Medical Expense Coverage
Medical insurance selected by players for sports-related medical conditions, including COVID- 19 illness, to cover six years after college athletics eligibility ends.
Name, Image, and Likeness Rights & Representation
The freedom to secure representation, receive basic necessities from any third party, and earn money for use of our name, image, and likeness rights.
Fair Market Pay, Rights, & Freedoms
Distribute 50% of each sport's total conference revenue evenly among athletes in their respective sports.
Six-year athletic scholarships to foster undergraduate and graduate degree completion.
Elimination of all policies and practices restricting or deterring our freedom of speech, our ability to fully participate in charitable work, and our freedom to participate in campus activities outside of mandatory athletics participation.
Ability of players of all sports to transfer one time without punishment, and additionally in cases of abuse or serious negligence.
Ability to complete eligibility after participating in a pro draft if player goes undrafted and foregoes professional participation within seven days of the draft.
Due process rights.

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And Rolovich kicked Cassidy off the team for aligning with them then lied about it.

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What was the result of Cassidy's lawsuit? Did he win?

DaveT said:

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tc3590 said:

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Does anyone else feel a little optimistic about this? I mean we have had way worse offenses under Baldwin and Musgrave and they had longer leashes.

I feel like something is already in the works that may be a big hire? I could be wrong (Most likely) of course and we could just see another subpar hire from Wilcox.

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Yea, it's a little unusual they're making this change after only one season. Maybe JW feels he's on a short leash and needs drastic change to keep his job, or maybe he's being pressured to make this move. Hoping it signals patience is wearing thin somewhere and that more change is coming if we don't see immediate results.

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some speculated that a change at oc was driven by a deal with JKS. now that he's gone elsewhere, does that turn down the heat on JW to make a change at oc?

otoh, if jw is as stubborn as reputed, was he against the change because he'd be damned if any hs sr is gonna twist his arm?

If we make coaching changes based on a single HS recruit, we deserve to lose.

MrGPAC said:

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From the discussions about why Spav left it was made clear that Wilcox likes to do offense by comittee, so you get the feeling he sits in on the room during the planning.
Wilcox doesn't know offense well, but he knows defense. I get the feeling he looks at each play as a "how would I defend that play?" If he has a good defense for it, knowing what the play is, he veto's it / throws it out. This leads to multiple things we have seen on repeat regardless of who the OC is:

1) A lack of a coherent identity/strategy. Its a hodge podge of "That looks good!" in isolation, but no two plays build off eachother. We randomly go empty set. We don't repeat things that work. We don't have counters. When a play doesn't work it isn't building to anything down the line...its just a failed play.

2) A lot of very difficult to defend low percentage plays. Deep passes down the sideline ring any bells?

3) When the experts describe Wilcox's defense they use one word in particular. Disciplined. What does discipline negate? Misdirection. It seems like we have very few misdirection plays because Wilcox knows how to defend those...by ascribing discipline to the defense.

This is also why we are so good at losing to winless teams. Teams that perform as poorly relative to their talent level as Florida State did this year do so because they have no discipline. If you refuse to call plays that take advantage of that you play right into their strengths and you make bad teams look good.

4) His most recent vice: The RPO. RPO is hard to defend because it forces the defense to commit and allows you to do something else. But there is a downside. The RPO puts a lot of pressure on the offensive line. They have to both runblock AND pass block on every play and they don't know which optino was taken until AFTER the play is over. You don't see offensive linemen 10 yards down field blocking because they can't go more than 2 yards downfield.

This is also a large part of why the Jet looks so much better than Ott this year. Ott ran almost exclusively in RPO plays, where as the Jet rarely ran RPO plays. When the o-line is able to asert its dominance and push its way downfield it opens up holes. When they can't push downfield and have to also pass protect they can't open big holes, leading to walls for Ott to run into.

Wilcox needs to find an OC and get the eff out of the way. Get his fingerprints OFF the offense.

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You're saying that Wilcox greenlights or rejects his OC's play selections based on how HE would defend against them, and based on the "discipline" that HIS defenses would use to stymie misdirection plays? How much more asinine could he possibly be? 1.) The OC won't be calling plays against "Wilcox." And, 2.) You hire the best, most dynamic OC you can hire, and LET HIM 'let it rip'. The opposing DC believes he can beat your OC, and your OC believes he has an answer for any defense. That's just the way it goes. Get out of the way, and let your OC cook.

Pittstop said:

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MrGPAC said:

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From the discussions about why Spav left it was made clear that Wilcox likes to do offense by comittee, so you get the feeling he sits in on the room during the planning.
Wilcox doesn't know offense well, but he knows defense. I get the feeling he looks at each play as a "how would I defend that play?" If he has a good defense for it, knowing what the play is, he veto's it / throws it out. This leads to multiple things we have seen on repeat regardless of who the OC is:

1) A lack of a coherent identity/strategy. Its a hodge podge of "That looks good!" in isolation, but no two plays build off eachother. We randomly go empty set. We don't repeat things that work. We don't have counters. When a play doesn't work it isn't building to anything down the line...its just a failed play.

2) A lot of very difficult to defend low percentage plays. Deep passes down the sideline ring any bells?

3) When the experts describe Wilcox's defense they use one word in particular. Disciplined. What does discipline negate? Misdirection. It seems like we have very few misdirection plays because Wilcox knows how to defend those...by ascribing discipline to the defense.

This is also why we are so good at losing to winless teams. Teams that perform as poorly relative to their talent level as Florida State did this year do so because they have no discipline. If you refuse to call plays that take advantage of that you play right into their strengths and you make bad teams look good.

4) His most recent vice: The RPO. RPO is hard to defend because it forces the defense to commit and allows you to do something else. But there is a downside. The RPO puts a lot of pressure on the offensive line. They have to both runblock AND pass block on every play and they don't know which optino was taken until AFTER the play is over. You don't see offensive linemen 10 yards down field blocking because they can't go more than 2 yards downfield.

This is also a large part of why the Jet looks so much better than Ott this year. Ott ran almost exclusively in RPO plays, where as the Jet rarely ran RPO plays. When the o-line is able to asert its dominance and push its way downfield it opens up holes. When they can't push downfield and have to also pass protect they can't open big holes, leading to walls for Ott to run into.

Wilcox needs to find an OC and get the eff out of the way. Get his fingerprints OFF the offense.

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You're saying that Wilcox greenlights or rejects his OC's play selections based on how HE would defend against them, and based on the "discipline" that HIS defenses would use to stymie misdirection plays? How much more asinine could he possibly be? 1.) The OC won't be calling plays against "Wilcox." And, 2.) You hire the best, most dynamic OC you can hire, and LET HIM 'let it rip'. The opposing DC believes he can beat your OC, and your OC believes he has an answer for any defense. That's just the way it goes. Get out of the way, and let your OC cook.

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This is all pure speculation. Others are speculating the problem is that he doesn't get involved in offense, which puts the OC on an island, which is especially tough because offense has one less position coach and the university apparently won't pony up for more coaches overall.

concernedparent said:

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Shocky1 said:

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concerned, did u watch every second of cal football in person this season like shocky?

the bears did NOT run a "ton" of misdirection which is why opponents stacked the interior box for predictable run schemes which significantly contributed to a preseason heisman candidate rushing for 2 yards per carry this season & the replacement of the current offensive coordinator

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2 jet sweeps a game is a "ton" for a play that we clearly cannot execute.

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EXACTLY! We treat misdirections like it is a trick play. Twice a game.

And it was added in about the 9th game with Mickey Mathews running it, instead of maybe early on playing the Jet there? You need to have the defense take the threat seriously. Maybe have a blocking TE on that side too?

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From the discussions about why Spav left it was made clear that Wilcox likes to do offense by comittee, so you get the feeling he sits in on the room during the planning.
Wilcox doesn't know offense well, but he knows defense. I get the feeling he looks at each play as a "how would I defend that play?" If he has a good defense for it, knowing what the play is, he veto's it / throws it out. This leads to multiple things we have seen on repeat regardless of who the OC is:

1) A lack of a coherent identity/strategy. Its a hodge podge of "That looks good!" in isolation, but no two plays build off eachother. We randomly go empty set. We don't repeat things that work. We don't have counters. When a play doesn't work it isn't building to anything down the line...its just a failed play.

2) A lot of very difficult to defend low percentage plays. Deep passes down the sideline ring any bells?

3) When the experts describe Wilcox's defense they use one word in particular. Disciplined. What does discipline negate? Misdirection. It seems like we have very few misdirection plays because Wilcox knows how to defend those...by ascribing discipline to the defense.

This is also why we are so good at losing to winless teams. Teams that perform as poorly relative to their talent level as Florida State did this year do so because they have no discipline. If you refuse to call plays that take advantage of that you play right into their strengths and you make bad teams look good.

4) His most recent vice: The RPO. RPO is hard to defend because it forces the defense to commit and allows you to do something else. But there is a downside. The RPO puts a lot of pressure on the offensive line. They have to both runblock AND pass block on every play and they don't know which optino was taken until AFTER the play is over. You don't see offensive linemen 10 yards down field blocking because they can't go more than 2 yards downfield.

This is also a large part of why the Jet looks so much better than Ott this year. Ott ran almost exclusively in RPO plays, where as the Jet rarely ran RPO plays. When the o-line is able to asert its dominance and push its way downfield it opens up holes. When they can't push downfield and have to also pass protect they can't open big holes, leading to walls for Ott to run into.

Wilcox needs to find an OC and get the eff out of the way. Get his fingerprints OFF the offense.

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You're saying that Wilcox greenlights or rejects his OC's play selections based on how HE would defend against them, and based on the "discipline" that HIS defenses would use to stymie misdirection plays? How much more asinine could he possibly be? 1.) The OC won't be calling plays against "Wilcox." And, 2.) You hire the best, most dynamic OC you can hire, and LET HIM 'let it rip'. The opposing DC believes he can beat your OC, and your OC believes he has an answer for any defense. That's just the way it goes. Get out of the way, and let your OC cook.

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This is all pure speculation. Others are speculating the problem is that he doesn't get involved in offense, which puts the OC on an island, which is especially tough because offense has one less position coach and the university apparently won't pony up for more coaches overall.

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Serious question, who is speculating the problem is that Wilcox doesn't get involved in the offense? I must've missed those posts. If anything, the complaints I've read are that he's getting too involved and hamstringing his OCs by making them run slow, grind-it-out, vanilla offenses. Am I missing something here?