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Imagine your school cares about football A LOT and your hated rival is Alabama, then Nick Saban comes along and has his run. Yes Auburn is delusional. Yes they have boosters and fans who are desperate. Yes they have PTSD from Alabama's dominance. But there's no way they wanted these coaches to lose games and 9-12 is 9-12 and Bo Nix really did transfer along with a bunch of other players.

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According to everything I've read, the Auburn fan base didn't want Harsin and had their knives out before he even coached a game.

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So he went 9-12 just to stick it to 'em?

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Clearly he was thinking 10 steps ahead. Tank their recruiting, drive Bo Nix out of town, get fired with a massive buyout, and take two years off just to reunite with his former DC from Boise two years later

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WalterSobchak said:

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Imagine your school cares about football A LOT and your hated rival is Alabama, then Nick Saban comes along and has his run. Yes Auburn is delusional. Yes they have boosters and fans who are desperate. Yes they have PTSD from Alabama's dominance. But there's no way they wanted these coaches to lose games and 9-12 is 9-12 and Bo Nix really did transfer along with a bunch of other players.

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According to everything I've read, the Auburn fan base didn't want Harsin and had their knives out before he even coached a game.

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So he went 9-12 just to stick it to 'em?

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Clearly he was thinking 10 steps ahead. Tank their recruiting, drive Bo Nix out of town, get fired with a massive buyout, and take two years off just to reunite with his former DC from Boise two years later

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Though I doubt he's ever seen The Producers

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4-9 conference record at Auburn, sounds like Wilcox has got his man!

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With Bo Nix too, correct?

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How well have they done since scapegoating Harsin for their internal, donor/AD-perpetuated rot, and under their handpicked successor to Harsin, Hugh Freeze? They are even worse under Freeze, and he has been there longer than Harsin was. Harsin was run out before even being able to finish his 2nd season as Auburn's HC. Freeze was installed at the behest of their almighty donors, and has been allowed to oversee Auburn's descent into the depths of SEC putridness with no apparent consequences. But HE is "their guy", though, so the stench of the internal rot can apparently be tolerated.

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4-9 conference record at Auburn, sounds like Wilcox has got his man!

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With Bo Nix too, correct?

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How well have they done since scapegoating Harsin for their internal, donor/AD-perpetuated rot, and under their handpicked successor to Harsin, Hugh Freeze? They are even worse under Freeze, and he has been there longer than Harsin was. Harsin was run out before even being able to finish his 2nd season as Auburn's HC. Freeze was installed at the behest of their almighty donors, and has been allowed to oversee Auburn's descent into the depths of SEC putridness with no apparent consequences. But HE is "their guy", though, so the stench of the internal rotation can apparently be tolerated.

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Auburn can be a horrible place and Harsin can be a bad OC for Cal. Both can be true. Do some research on Harsin. I am full in on Rolovich now. Also MAGA
/antivax but better offense, especially for our personnel, far more personable, better recruiter, from the Bay Area, great for Hawaii recruiting and only one of his Black players has publicly accused him of racism.

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Pittstop said:

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4-9 conference record at Auburn, sounds like Wilcox has got his man!

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With Bo Nix too, correct?

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How well have they done since scapegoating Harsin for their internal, donor/AD-perpetuated rot, and under their handpicked successor to Harsin, Hugh Freeze? They are even worse under Freeze, and he has been there longer than Harsin was. Harsin was run out before even being able to finish his 2nd season as Auburn's HC. Freeze was installed at the behest of their almighty donors, and has been allowed to oversee Auburn's descent into the depths of SEC putridness with no apparent consequences. But HE is "their guy", though, so the stench of the internal rotation can apparently be tolerated.

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Auburn can be a horrible place and Harsin can be a bad OC for Cal. Both can be true. Do some research on Harsin. I am full in on Rolovich now. Also MAGA
/antivax but better offense, especially for our personnel, far more personable, better recruiter, from the Bay Area, great for Hawaii recruiting and only one of his Black players has publicly accused him of racism.

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I have researched Harsin, his political preferences, his wife's Twitter proclivity, the spurious racial accusations that don't bear close scrutiny, and have been debunked "by several Black players" (a quote from the same article link posted earlier about Harsin's alleged racist tendencies), or strain the boundaries of credibility. But Cal is hiring a football coach, not a politician. How do you know that Dykes, or Spavital, or Bloesch were/are not Ultra MAGAs? It is probable that they all are, being that they are all steeped in Texas social and political culture. As well as, likely, many of the player we recruit out of Texas - the heart of 'MAGA Country'.

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4-9 conference record at Auburn, sounds like Wilcox has got his man!

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With Bo Nix too, correct?

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How well have they done since scapegoating Harsin for their internal, donor/AD-perpetuated rot, and under their handpicked successor to Harsin, Hugh Freeze? They are even worse under Freeze, and he has been there longer than Harsin was. Harsin was run out before even being able to finish his 2nd season as Auburn's HC. Freeze was installed at the behest of their almighty donors, and has been allowed to oversee Auburn's descent into the depths of SEC putridness with no apparent consequences. But HE is "their guy", though, so the stench of the internal rotation can apparently be tolerated.

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Auburn can be a horrible place and Harsin can be a bad OC for Cal. Both can be true. Do some research on Harsin. I am full in on Rolovich now. Also MAGA
/antivax but better offense, especially for our personnel, far more personable, better recruiter, from the Bay Area, great for Hawaii recruiting and only one of his Black players has publicly accused him of racism.

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It is very on point for you to like someone else now that Wilcox basically has hired someone. It could have been a golden retriever for all I care.

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calumnus said:

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4-9 conference record at Auburn, sounds like Wilcox has got his man!

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With Bo Nix too, correct?

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How well have they done since scapegoating Harsin for their internal, donor/AD-perpetuated rot, and under their handpicked successor to Harsin, Hugh Freeze? They are even worse under Freeze, and he has been there longer than Harsin was. Harsin was run out before even being able to finish his 2nd season as Auburn's HC. Freeze was installed at the behest of their almighty donors, and has been allowed to oversee Auburn's descent into the depths of SEC putridness with no apparent consequences. But HE is "their guy", though, so the stench of the internal rotation can apparently be tolerated.

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Auburn can be a horrible place and Harsin can be a bad OC for Cal. Both can be true. Do some research on Harsin. I am full in on Rolovich now. Also MAGA
/antivax but better offense, especially for our personnel, far more personable, better recruiter, from the Bay Area, great for Hawaii recruiting and only one of his Black players has publicly accused him of racism.

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It is very on point for you to like someone else now that Wilcox basically has hired someone. It could have been a golden retriever for all I care.

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Well, I am 4 for 4 batting 1.000 on my appraisal of Wilcox OC hires so far, so there is that. Plus my questioning the Wilcox hire unless he hired a good OC, which he had yet to show he could do and strong objections to the hiring of Jim Knowlton and Mark Fox for similar reasons as Harsin (fit) and very strong objections to the extensions of Knowlton and Wilcox (as well as Baldwin twice and Musgrave twice). What is the record of knee-jerk defense of every AD move or Wilcox hire gotten anyone? If you go back to the top I was cautiously optimistic about this one until I did more research (similar to my initial lukewarm reaction to Baldwin and Musgrave until dig deeper). I am also brave enough to make suggestions that I like too, something I've never seen you do. Or listen to people like Killa who clearly know their stuff.

For personal reasons, that I will reveal soon, I am only posting relentlessly now in the hopes the deal is not finalized and Cal can still back out. I love Cal that much.

Nice that you admit that if Wilcox hired a Golden Retriever you would defend the hire and personally attack me for objecting to it and explaining my objective reasons why a Golden Retriever is a bad pick for Offensive Coordinator.

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calumnus said:

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matteye said:

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4-9 conference record at Auburn, sounds like Wilcox has got his man!

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With Bo Nix too, correct?

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How well have they done since scapegoating Harsin for their internal, donor/AD-perpetuated rot, and under their handpicked successor to Harsin, Hugh Freeze? They are even worse under Freeze, and he has been there longer than Harsin was. Harsin was run out before even being able to finish his 2nd season as Auburn's HC. Freeze was installed at the behest of their almighty donors, and has been allowed to oversee Auburn's descent into the depths of SEC putridness with no apparent consequences. But HE is "their guy", though, so the stench of the internal rotation can apparently be tolerated.

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Auburn can be a horrible place and Harsin can be a bad OC for Cal. Both can be true. Do some research on Harsin. I am full in on Rolovich now. Also MAGA
/antivax but better offense, especially for our personnel, far more personable, better recruiter, from the Bay Area, great for Hawaii recruiting and only one of his Black players has publicly accused him of racism.

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It is very on point for you to like someone else now that Wilcox basically has hired someone. It could have been a golden retriever for all I care.

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Well, I am 4 for 4 batting 1.000 on my appraisal of Wilcox OC hires so far, so there is that. Plus my questioning the Wilcox hire unless he hired a good OC, which he had yet to show he could do and strong objections to the hiring of Jim Knowlton and Mark Fox for similar reasons as Harsin (fit) and very strong objections to the extensions of Knowlton and Wilcox (as well as Baldwin twice and Musgrave twice). What is the record of knee-jerk defense of every AD move or Wilcox hire gotten anyone? If you go back to the top I was cautiously optimistic about this one until I did more research (similar to my initial lukewarm reaction to Baldwin and Musgrave until dig deeper). I am also brave enough to make suggestions that I like too, something I've never seen you do. Or listen to people like Killa who clearly know their stuff.

For personal reasons, that I will reveal soon, I am only posting relentlessly now in the hopes the deal is not finalized and Cal can still back out. I love Cal that much.

Nice that you admit that if Wilcox hired a Golden Retriever you would defend the hire and personally attack me for objecting to it and explaining my objective reasons why a Golden Retriever is a bad pick for Offensive Coordinator.

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Your point is lame. I believe you would be advocating for a golden retriever right now as better than Harsin because, frankly, that is how you roll because you hate the head coach. Harsin was an awesome OC at Boise, a fact you completely disregard in favor of bulletin board speculation and innuendo. Have you checked Facebook posts for further validation of your disapproval? It is disgusting.

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4-9 conference record at Auburn, sounds like Wilcox has got his man!

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With Bo Nix too, correct?

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How well have they done since scapegoating Harsin for their internal, donor/AD-perpetuated rot, and under their handpicked successor to Harsin, Hugh Freeze? They are even worse under Freeze, and he has been there longer than Harsin was. Harsin was run out before even being able to finish his 2nd season as Auburn's HC. Freeze was installed at the behest of their almighty donors, and has been allowed to oversee Auburn's descent into the depths of SEC putridness with no apparent consequences. But HE is "their guy", though, so the stench of the internal rotation can apparently be tolerated.

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Auburn can be a horrible place and Harsin can be a bad OC for Cal. Both can be true. Do some research on Harsin. I am full in on Rolovich now. Also MAGA
/antivax but better offense, especially for our personnel, far more personable, better recruiter, from the Bay Area, great for Hawaii recruiting and only one of his Black players has publicly accused him of racism.

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It is very on point for you to like someone else now that Wilcox basically has hired someone. It could have been a golden retriever for all I care.

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Well, I am 4 for 4 batting 1.000 on my appraisal of Wilcox OC hires so far, so there is that. Plus my questioning the Wilcox hire unless he hired a good OC, which he had yet to show he could do and strong objections to the hiring of Jim Knowlton and Mark Fox for similar reasons as Harsin (fit) and very strong objections to the extensions of Knowlton and Wilcox (as well as Baldwin twice and Musgrave twice). What is the record of knee-jerk defense of every AD move or Wilcox hire gotten anyone? If you go back to the top I was cautiously optimistic about this one until I did more research (similar to my initial lukewarm reaction to Baldwin and Musgrave until dig deeper). I am also brave enough to make suggestions that I like too, something I've never seen you do. Or listen to people like Killa who clearly know their stuff.

For personal reasons, that I will reveal soon, I am only posting relentlessly now in the hopes the deal is not finalized and Cal can still back out. I love Cal that much.

Nice that you admit that if Wilcox hired a Golden Retriever you would defend the hire and personally attack me for objecting to it and explaining my objective reasons why a Golden Retriever is a bad pick for Offensive Coordinator.

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Your point is lame. I believe you would be advocating for a golden retriever right now as better than Harsin because, frankly, that is how you roll because you hate the head coach. Harsin was an awesome OC at Boise, a fact you completely disregard in favor of bulletin board speculation and innuendo. Have you checked Facebook posts for further validation of your disapproval? It is disgusting.

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Peterson was an awesome Head Coach at Boise, the architect of the offense plus calling his own plays. I will assume Harsin absorbed it all.

I don't know if Harsin called plays as HC at Boise or Auburn. But for sake of argument, let's assume he did.

However, as I have already said, I will assume he is a great Xs and Os guy, but his presumed offense is a bad fit for our personnel and most importantly you need talent to make it work, ie Bill Musgrave 2.0

And as for talent, he has a reputation as a horrible recruiter and the results prove it, just like Mark Fox, a bristly guy who drives off and loses more talent than he brings in anywhere that is not Boise (pre-Portal) and will assuredly be even worse in Berkeley in the Portal era. As for everything else, it was all in national news stories and his own Twitter, available for recruits to see and competitors to point out.

We can do better. Much much better, but as I have already said, I'd be good with Rolovich now.

As I said, I am only posting this now because I am hoping it is not finalized and I want Cal to avoid another huge mistake like Mark Fox.

And for the record, I in no way hate Wilcox (Knowlton, probably, I can't stand to listen to him which is a tell), so stop projecting. I am in no way a hateful person. I still listen to Wilcox, he seems like a good enough guy, I am pretty sure I'd like him as a friend, not very bright or well educated, but I have plenty of friends that aren't. I even have friends that are Trump supporters. I just think Wlcox is not P4 head coach material, like billions of other people I don't hate.

I do resent him a bit for taking $50 million of our money and tying up the position for a decade, but I blame Knowlton and Cal fans like you more for that, and I would root for him to succeed at his next job (Idaho? Or DC somewhere?), shoot, given the buyout and the need to win NOW, I have always wanted him to succeed at this job (unless we can somehow replace him) which is why I didn't want him to just promote Bloesch and don't want him to hire Harsin. However, if he does I will discuss ways to mitigate Harsin's considerable liabilities and hope for the best. 2025 is another easy schedule and we need to take advantage like SMU did. I honestly believe the long term survival of the

Too many falsehoods here. Shameful. He was 69-19 as head coach at Boise. Boise was 61-5 with him as OC.

While not employed by a program, he tweeted congrats that Trump won the election and disdain when Biden's DOJ convicted him of a campaign finance violation. So what?

He took over a program in ruins and tried to weed out players that weren't dedicated to winning. This rubbed folks the wrong way, and he quickly was fired before he could execute it. So what?

The hire appears to be a done deal and a good one.

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4-9 conference record at Auburn, sounds like Wilcox has got his man!

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With Bo Nix too, correct?

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How well have they done since scapegoating Harsin for their internal, donor/AD-perpetuated rot, and under their handpicked successor to Harsin, Hugh Freeze? They are even worse under Freeze, and he has been there longer than Harsin was. Harsin was run out before even being able to finish his 2nd season as Auburn's HC. Freeze was installed at the behest of their almighty donors, and has been allowed to oversee Auburn's descent into the depths of SEC putridness with no apparent consequences. But HE is "their guy", though, so the stench of the internal rotation can apparently be tolerated.

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Auburn can be a horrible place and Harsin can be a bad OC for Cal. Both can be true. Do some research on Harsin. I am full in on Rolovich now. Also MAGA
/antivax but better offense, especially for our personnel, far more personable, better recruiter, from the Bay Area, great for Hawaii recruiting and only one of his Black players has publicly accused him of racism.

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It is very on point for you to like someone else now that Wilcox basically has hired someone. It could have been a golden retriever for all I care.

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Well, I am 4 for 4 batting 1.000 on my appraisal of Wilcox OC hires so far, so there is that. Plus my questioning the Wilcox hire unless he hired a good OC, which he had yet to show he could do and strong objections to the hiring of Jim Knowlton and Mark Fox for similar reasons as Harsin (fit) and very strong objections to the extensions of Knowlton and Wilcox (as well as Baldwin twice and Musgrave twice). What is the record of knee-jerk defense of every AD move or Wilcox hire gotten anyone? If you go back to the top I was cautiously optimistic about this one until I did more research (similar to my initial lukewarm reaction to Baldwin and Musgrave until dig deeper). I am also brave enough to make suggestions that I like too, something I've never seen you do. Or listen to people like Killa who clearly know their stuff.

For personal reasons, that I will reveal soon, I am only posting relentlessly now in the hopes the deal is not finalized and Cal can still back out. I love Cal that much.

Nice that you admit that if Wilcox hired a Golden Retriever you would defend the hire and personally attack me for objecting to it and explaining my objective reasons why a Golden Retriever is a bad pick for Offensive Coordinator.

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You raise good points but couldn't your objections to him have also been said about Tim DeRuyter, who was controversial in his HC tenure at Fresno and who seems (at least to me) be on the right edge of the political spectrum? Yet, he was a successful DC for us and possibily the best we've had since Kent Baer in the Bruce Snyder era.

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I don't think we can afford to hire someone in this position who has been at best described as disinterested in recruiting.

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that's a different matter. can he manage those who are good at it? does he know a good one when he sees it?

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Reportedly he alienated the good ones (young and African American) at Auburn. The players still have to play for him.

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No, I meant the assistant coaches and candidates for that who can recruit. Does he know a good recruiter when he sees one and can he manage them in that endeavor.

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4-9 conference record at Auburn, sounds like Wilcox has got his man!

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With Bo Nix too, correct?

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How well have they done since scapegoating Harsin for their internal, donor/AD-perpetuated rot, and under their handpicked successor to Harsin, Hugh Freeze? They are even worse under Freeze, and he has been there longer than Harsin was. Harsin was run out before even being able to finish his 2nd season as Auburn's HC. Freeze was installed at the behest of their almighty donors, and has been allowed to oversee Auburn's descent into the depths of SEC putridness with no apparent consequences. But HE is "their guy", though, so the stench of the internal rotation can apparently be tolerated.

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Auburn can be a horrible place and Harsin can be a bad OC for Cal. Both can be true. Do some research on Harsin. I am full in on Rolovich now. Also MAGA
/antivax but better offense, especially for our personnel, far more personable, better recruiter, from the Bay Area, great for Hawaii recruiting and only one of his Black players has publicly accused him of racism.

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It is very on point for you to like someone else now that Wilcox basically has hired someone. It could have been a golden retriever for all I care.

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Well, I am 4 for 4 batting 1.000 on my appraisal of Wilcox OC hires so far, so there is that. Plus my questioning the Wilcox hire unless he hired a good OC, which he had yet to show he could do and strong objections to the hiring of Jim Knowlton and Mark Fox for similar reasons as Harsin (fit) and very strong objections to the extensions of Knowlton and Wilcox (as well as Baldwin twice and Musgrave twice). What is the record of knee-jerk defense of every AD move or Wilcox hire gotten anyone? If you go back to the top I was cautiously optimistic about this one until I did more research (similar to my initial lukewarm reaction to Baldwin and Musgrave until dig deeper). I am also brave enough to make suggestions that I like too, something I've never seen you do. Or listen to people like Killa who clearly know their stuff.

For personal reasons, that I will reveal soon, I am only posting relentlessly now in the hopes the deal is not finalized and Cal can still back out. I love Cal that much.

Nice that you admit that if Wilcox hired a Golden Retriever you would defend the hire and personally attack me for objecting to it and explaining my objective reasons why a Golden Retriever is a bad pick for Offensive Coordinator.

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Your point is lame. I believe you would be advocating for a golden retriever right now as better than Harsin because, frankly, that is how you roll because you hate the head coach. Harsin was an awesome OC at Boise, a fact you completely disregard in favor of bulletin board speculation and innuendo. Have you checked Facebook posts for further validation of your disapproval? It is disgusting.

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Peterson was an awesome Head Coach at Boise, the architect of the offense plus calling his own plays. I will assume Harsin absorbed it all.

I don't know if Harsin called plays as HC at Boise or Auburn. But for sake of argument, let's assume he did.

However, as I have already said, I will assume he is a great Xs and Os guy, but his presumed offense is a bad fit for our personnel and most importantly you need talent to make it work, ie Bill Musgrave 2.0

And as for talent, he has a reputation as a horrible recruiter and the results prove it, just like Mark Fox, a bristly guy who drives off and loses more talent than he brings in anywhere that is not Boise (pre-Portal) and will assuredly be even worse in Berkeley in the Portal era. As for everything else, it was all in national news stories and his own Twitter, available for recruits to see and competitors to point out.

We can do better. Much much better, but as I have already said, I'd be good with Rolovich now.

As I said, I am only posting this now because I am hoping it is not finalized and I want Cal to avoid another huge mistake like Mark Fox.

And for the record, I in no way hate Wilcox (Knowlton, probably, I can't stand to listen to him which is a tell), so stop projecting. I am in no way a hateful person. I still listen to Wilcox, he seems like a good enough guy, I am pretty sure I'd like him as a friend, not very bright or well educated, but I have plenty of friends that aren't. I even have friends that are Trump supporters. I just think Wlcox is not P4 head coach material, like billions of other people I don't hate.

I do resent him a bit for taking $50 million of our money and tying up the position for a decade, but I blame Knowlton and Cal fans like you more for that, and I would root for him to succeed at his next job (Idaho? Or DC somewhere?), shoot, given the buyout and the need to win NOW, I have always wanted him to succeed at this job (unless we can somehow replace him) which is why I didn't want him to just promote Bloesch and don't want him to hire Harsin. However, if he does I will discuss ways to mitigate Harsin's considerable liabilities and hope for the best. 2025 is another easy schedule and we need to take advantage like SMU did. I honestly believe the long term survival of the

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And yet, Petersen REALLY liked Harsin. And what makes you so sure that Petersen wasn't an Ultra MAGA? He likely was/is.