NVBear78 said:

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Believe it or not all people do not think exactly the same way about everything.

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I already assume and will fully believe your views differ from his if that is what you are worried about.

Read the articles, what his players have said. What he has said. Listen to his press conferences. Look at his recruiting and Portal losses. I'm not trying to convict him here or get him fired, Im trying to get Cal to avoid yet another colossal blunder in Wilcox hiring OCs (and overall) At the very minimum he is another Mark Fox: A horrible recruiter, testy person and a horrible fit for Berkeley in the Portal era.

To prove my point I am now fully on-board with Rolovich as OC.

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Auburn fan here. Was fun rooting for yall while it lasted.

Wish yall the best with this one but I will never root for a good thing to happen to that man on a football field.

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What exactly did he do that rubbed the Auburn fans the wrong way?

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He destroyed our program. Didnt recruit. Thought he was better then everyone, total dick. Was not a good fit at Auburn at all and set us back years.

There was alot of off the field stuff but I really dont care about that.

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No new HC hire can "destroy" 'any' program in less than 2 years (he was fired before being able to finish his 2nd season) unless that program was already rotting from the inside when he got there.

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Mark Helfrich?

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Oregon's program is thriving. It definitely wasn't "destroyed." Helfrich just couldn't measure up to the high bar set by Chip, so he failed. But the program bounced back nicely 'after' Helfrich. Auburn didn't "bounce back" after they scapegoating Harsin. They are even more putrid under Freeze, so the problem obviously was not Harsin. "The program" itself is rotten. "The culture" is rotten, and apparently still festering.

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How about Helton at USC?

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Pittstop said:

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Jirao said:

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Auburn fan here. Was fun rooting for yall while it lasted.

Wish yall the best with this one but I will never root for a good thing to happen to that man on a football field.

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What exactly did he do that rubbed the Auburn fans the wrong way?

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He destroyed our program. Didnt recruit. Thought he was better then everyone, total dick. Was not a good fit at Auburn at all and set us back years.

There was alot of off the field stuff but I really dont care about that.

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No new HC hire can "destroy" 'any' program in less than 2 years (he was fired before being able to finish his 2nd season) unless that program was already rotting from the inside when he got there.

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Mark Helfrich?

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Oregon's program is thriving. It definitely wasn't "destroyed." Helfrich just couldn't measure up to the high bar set by Chip, so he failed. But the program bounced back nicely 'after' Helfrich. Auburn didn't "bounce back" after they scapegoating Harsin. They are even more putrid under Freeze, so the problem obviously was not Harsin. "The program" itself is rotten. "The culture" is rotten, and apparently still festering.

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How about Helton at USC?

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How about Lincoln Riley? "USC" is the problem, not Helton. Helton was bad, no doubt. But it was "USC" that made the decision to throw good money after bad by throwing the kitchen sink at Riley to become their next HC.

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calumnus said:

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Pittstop said:

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Pittstop said:

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calBlitz said:

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Jirao said:

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Auburn fan here. Was fun rooting for yall while it lasted.

Wish yall the best with this one but I will never root for a good thing to happen to that man on a football field.

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What exactly did he do that rubbed the Auburn fans the wrong way?

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He destroyed our program. Didnt recruit. Thought he was better then everyone, total dick. Was not a good fit at Auburn at all and set us back years.

There was alot of off the field stuff but I really dont care about that.

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No new HC hire can "destroy" 'any' program in less than 2 years (he was fired before being able to finish his 2nd season) unless that program was already rotting from the inside when he got there.

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Mark Helfrich?

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Oregon's program is thriving. It definitely wasn't "destroyed." Helfrich just couldn't measure up to the high bar set by Chip, so he failed. But the program bounced back nicely 'after' Helfrich. Auburn didn't "bounce back" after they scapegoating Harsin. They are even more putrid under Freeze, so the problem obviously was not Harsin. "The program" itself is rotten. "The culture" is rotten, and apparently still festering.

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How about Helton at USC?

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How about Lincoln Riley? "USC" is the problem, not Helton. Helton was bad, no doubt. But is was "USC" that made the decision to throw good money after bad by throwing the kitchen sink at Riley to become their next HC.

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I was going to say "First year was 11-3 with a Top 10 final ranking" but Helton was similar and now Riley appears to be on the same trajectory.

Fit matters.

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calumnus said:

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Pittstop said:

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calBlitz said:

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Jirao said:

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Auburn fan here. Was fun rooting for yall while it lasted.

Wish yall the best with this one but I will never root for a good thing to happen to that man on a football field.

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What exactly did he do that rubbed the Auburn fans the wrong way?

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He destroyed our program. Didnt recruit. Thought he was better then everyone, total dick. Was not a good fit at Auburn at all and set us back years.

There was alot of off the field stuff but I really dont care about that.

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No new HC hire can "destroy" 'any' program in less than 2 years (he was fired before being able to finish his 2nd season) unless that program was already rotting from the inside when he got there.

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Mark Helfrich?

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Oregon's program is thriving. It definitely wasn't "destroyed." Helfrich just couldn't measure up to the high bar set by Chip, so he failed. But the program bounced back nicely 'after' Helfrich. Auburn didn't "bounce back" after they scapegoating Harsin. They are even more putrid under Freeze, so the problem obviously was not Harsin. "The program" itself is rotten. "The culture" is rotten, and apparently still festering.

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How about Helton at USC?

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How about Lincoln Riley? "USC" is the problem, not Helton. Helton was bad, no doubt. But it was "USC" that made the decision to throw good money after bad by throwing the kitchen sink at Riley to become their next HC.

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BearBoarBlarney said:

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Great, Wilcox hiring a guy with a reputation for being a way-below-average recruiter with an abrasive personality.

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Should go over well with the kids.

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It's simply astonishing that we would hire another multi-year unemployed flameout that nobody else wants with a bad recruiter + hard ass to his players reputation. I get that we won't fire Wilcox because we're cheap, but do we have to let him completely trash the program before we finally get him out at a price we're willing to pay? Why does he get free reign to make obvious mistake after obvious mistake? This hire is going to be a portal disaster. Anyone can see that. Our program, or what little is already left of it, may never recover. So disappointing and depressing.

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A Mark Fox hire in the Portal era. Another of his buddies from Idaho. Horrible fit for Berkeley. Wilcox is again showing he has no clue and knowingly or not is trashing the program on his way out. We may not survive this.

Can we just bring in Ron Rivera NOW?

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Y'all need to stop pretending Rivera is a saviour. Did y'all forget that one OC he had with the Commanders? that clown that just lit that dumpster fire at fUCLA.

Eric Bieniemy was the OC and Asst Head Coach under Rivera.

Shows Rivera is just as capable as any other coach in making a facepalming dunderheaded hire for his staff.

I wonder if we see a lot more under center with Harsin. Bloesch didn't really really explore that too much and I feel giving multiple looks to the defense will be good. Also might help Mendoza's pro-development to be under center.

Also maybe some more 2 TE sets?

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It's simply astonishing that we would hire another multi-year unemployed flameout that nobody else wants with a bad recruiter + hard ass to his players reputation. I get that we won't fire Wilcox because we're cheap, but do we have to let him completely trash the program before we finally get him out at a price we're willing to pay? Why does he get free reign to make obvious mistake after obvious mistake? This hire is going to be a portal disaster. Anyone can see that. Our program, or what little is already left of it, may never recover. So disappointing and depressing.

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A Mark Fox hire in the Portal era. Another of his buddies from Idaho. Horrible fit for Berkeley. Wilcox is again showing he has no clue and knowingly or not is trashing the program on his way out. We may not survive this.

Can we just bring in Ron Rivera NOW?

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Y'all need to stop pretending Rivera is a saviour. Did y'all forget that one OC he had with the Commanders? that clown that just lit that dumpster fire at fUCLA.

Eric Bieniemy was the OC and Asst Head Coach under Rivera.

Shows Rivera is just as capable as any other coach in making a facepalming dunderheaded hire for his staff.

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Rivera is definitely not a perfect candidate if we were starting from scratch. If we were starting from scratch my ideal candidate would be:

1. Young relatable to the players, energetic, could stay a long time if successful.

2. Charismatic, demonstrated or potential success in recruiting.

3. Smart, and sounds smart in speaking with smart athletes, alumni, the press and academics. Comfortable with advanced analytics, at least smart enough to hire someone and listen to them. Able to recruit smart Cal student athletes, sell our academics and keep their intellectual respect. Things fall apart when the players are smarter or know better than their coach.

4. An OC or former OC (ie from the offensive side of the ball). Former DC's at a place like Cal constantly have to hire OCs either because they guessed wrong or they hit paydirt and the OC moves to a better job. Plus the vast majority of critical HC game day decisions are on the offensive side of the ball.

5. Cal alum or at least a Bay Area guy who would stay if successful

6. Have NFL credentials. Preferably name recognition.

7. Have roots, connections or name recognition in our key recruiting areas (NorCal and SoCal, Texas, Hawaii, Atlanta and all neighboring states, North Carolina, Florida and the greater East Coast

8. African American or Polynesian, Latino or Asian or a white guy credibly able to enthusiastically promote Cal's comparative advantage over other schools as a bastion of social Justice (see Ben Braun). See the statements three 5 stars we recruited from Atlanta in football and basketball.

9. And this should be much higher if it were a ranking: demonstrated success as a HC, the higher the level better, or an OC who has a great system and meets a lot of the other criteria.

10. Willing to work for what we can afford to pay.

Now obviously no one candidate tics all of the above boxes. Rivera tics a lot, but if we are starting from scratch, I am sure other candidates tic more boxes or tic ones that should carry more weight.

The problem is we are not starting from scratch. Because of Knowlton's stupid extension, if we replace Wilcox we still have to pay him $15 million over the next three years, plus pay whatever we pay the new coach (the real incremental cost). This in the midst of an impending financial crisis likely to be made worse with huge cuts in Federal funding for the university. So the first hope is Wilcox finally picks a good OC that will stay more than a season. IMO, if Harsin is hired, he more than likely did not. We will see.

I only mention Rivera because he is the only candidate I can think of who checks a lot of boxes and could replace Wilcox and start immediately, because he would likely be willing to work with Cal to receive little or no income while we pay off Wilcox.

Thus it is a binary choice, Wilcox with Harsin (and Sirmon) or Rivera with whatever staff he assembles. This is a question of probabilities. Neither outcome is certain. Rivera could flop or Wilcox and Harsin could kill it 2025, I do think it is possible (though even if so, Harsin probably then jumps ship and we are back to square one, worse probably with another Wilcox extension). So the question is, if the only choices are Wilcox/Harsin or Rivera, who would you bet on? I just see the odds are that Wilcox delivers similar to what he has delivered every year thus far: losing conference records, getting to near .500 beating FCS teams and FBS teams with losing records. Rivera is no guarantee by far, but I think he gives us a better chance of doing much better than that and he would give hope to the fan base and sell season tickets.,

Or do you see another viable option? I really am open to possibilities but you can't just day "donors put up $15 million and we fire Wilcox and do a search." Because that hasn't happened yet and seems very unlikely to happen, but if it does happen I'll gladly start contemplating all the different candidates.

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Children? Way to go for the ad hominem argument. I posted the links so that readers are able to make up their own minds.

But you do you, big guy.

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Those of you who try to slander a person to influence their hiring are "children." In this case, it is a commonly used reference in a dialogue about basic issues, such as why should a person's political beliefs influence hiring decisions in a non-political enterprise?

Knock it off.

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Every enterprise is political to some extent. To expect otherwise is childish.

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I seem to recall that you were a member of The Go Bears List.

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AunBear89 said:

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Every enterprise is political to some extent. To expect otherwise is childish.

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I seem to recall that you were a member of The Go Bears List.

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Ah, yes. The good ol' Gobears listserv. Yes - like smh and a handful of others here, I was there.

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AunBear89 said:

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Every enterprise is political to some extent. To expect otherwise is childish.

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I seem to recall that you were a member of The Go Bears List.

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Ah, yes. The good ol' Gobears listserv. Yes - like smh and a handful of others here, I was there.

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David Dempster. Always liked that name.

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David Dempster. Always liked that name.

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Whatever became of the poster David Dempster? That guy was an absolute authority on Memorial Stadium and seating capacity.

Fiat Lux or something like it.

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Auburn fan here. Was fun rooting for yall while it lasted.

Wish yall the best with this one but I will never root for a good thing to happen to that man on a football field.

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What exactly did he do that rubbed the Auburn fans the wrong way?

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He destroyed our program. Didnt recruit. Thought he was better then everyone, total dick. Was not a good fit at Auburn at all and set us back years.

There was alot of off the field stuff but I really dont care about that.

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No new HC hire can "destroy" 'any' program in less than 2 years (he was fired before being able to finish his 2nd season) unless that program was already rotting from the inside when he got there.

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When he was fired he had the #89th ranked Class in America. At Auburn. This tweet also shows another reason

So just so we’re all clear. Bryan Harsin chased away Heisman Finalist and potential Rookie of the Year Bo Nix, for TJ Finley who is in the portal heading to his 5th school and Robbie Ashford who is now looking for his 4th school. https://t.co/LZMoBuSPkB

— Bailey Rogers (@bjrogi) December 10, 2024

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It's simply astonishing that we would hire another multi-year unemployed flameout that nobody else wants with a bad recruiter + hard ass to his players reputation. I get that we won't fire Wilcox because we're cheap, but do we have to let him completely trash the program before we finally get him out at a price we're willing to pay? Why does he get free reign to make obvious mistake after obvious mistake? This hire is going to be a portal disaster. Anyone can see that. Our program, or what little is already left of it, may never recover. So disappointing and depressing.

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A Mark Fox hire in the Portal era. Another of his buddies from Idaho. Horrible fit for Berkeley. Wilcox is again showing he has no clue and knowingly or not is trashing the program on his way out. We may not survive this.

Can we just bring in Ron Rivera NOW?

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Y'all need to stop pretending Rivera is a saviour. Did y'all forget that one OC he had with the Commanders? that clown that just lit that dumpster fire at fUCLA.

Eric Bieniemy was the OC and Asst Head Coach under Rivera.

Shows Rivera is just as capable as any other coach in making a facepalming dunderheaded hire for his staff.

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Rivera is definitely not a perfect candidate if we were starting from scratch. If we were starting from scratch my ideal candidate would be:

1. Young relatable to the players, energetic, could stay a long time if successful.

2. Charismatic, demonstrated or potential success in recruiting.

3. Smart, and sounds smart in speaking with smart athletes, alumni, the press and academics. Comfortable with advanced analytics, at least smart enough to hire someone and listen to them. Able to recruit smart Cal student athletes, sell our academics and keep their intellectual respect. Things fall apart when the players are smarter or know better than their coach.

4. An OC or former OC (ie from the offensive side of the ball). Former DC's at a place like Cal constantly have to hire OCs either because they guessed wrong or they hit paydirt and the OC moves to a better job. Plus the vast majority of critical HC game day decisions are on the offensive side of the ball.

5. Cal alum or at least a Bay Area guy who would stay if successful

6. Have NFL credentials. Preferably name recognition.

7. Have roots, connections or name recognition in our key recruiting areas (NorCal and SoCal, Texas, Hawaii, Atlanta and all neighboring states, North Carolina, Florida and the greater East Coast

8. African American or Polynesian, Latino or Asian or a white guy credibly able to enthusiastically promote Cal's comparative advantage over other schools as a bastion of social Justice (see Ben Braun). See the statements three 5 stars we recruited from Atlanta in football and basketball.

9. And this should be much higher if it were a ranking: demonstrated success as a HC, the higher the level better, or an OC who has a great system and meets a lot of the other criteria.

10. Willing to work for what we can afford to pay.

Now obviously no one candidate tics all of the above boxes. Rivera tics a lot, but if we are starting from scratch, I am sure other candidates tic more boxes or tic ones that should carry more weight.

The problem is we are not starting from scratch. Because of Knowlton's stupid extension, if we replace Wilcox we still have to pay him $15 million over the next three years, plus pay whatever we pay the new coach (the real incremental cost). This in the midst of an impending financial crisis likely to be made worse with huge cuts in Federal funding for the university. So the first hope is Wilcox finally picks a good OC that will stay more than a season. IMO, if Harsin is hired, he more than likely did not. We will see.

I only mention Rivera because he is the only candidate I can think of who checks a lot of boxes and could replace Wilcox and start immediately, because he would likely be willing to work with Cal to receive little or no income while we pay off Wilcox.

Thus it is a binary choice, Wilcox with Harsin (and Sirmon) or Rivera with whatever staff he assembles. This is a question of probabilities. Neither outcome is certain. Rivera could flop or Wilcox and Harsin could kill it 2025, I do think it is possible (though even if so, Harsin probably then jumps ship and we are back to square one, worse probably with another Wilcox extension). So the question is, if the only choices are Wilcox/Harsin or Rivera, who would you bet on? I just see the odds are that Wilcox delivers similar to what he has delivered every year thus far: losing conference records, getting to near .500 beating FCS teams and FBS teams with losing records. Rivera is no guarantee by far, but I think he gives us a better chance of doing much better than that and he would give hope to the fan base and sell season tickets.,

Or do you see another viable option? I really am open to possibilities but you can't just day "donors put up $15 million and we fire Wilcox and do a search." Because that hasn't happened yet and seems very unlikely to happen, but if it does happen I'll gladly start contemplating all the different candidates.

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Good post. My two cents.

Cal is in a suboptimal position for reasons that already have been stated. It is what it is absent Cal finding its own Knight in shining armor. Neither Rivera nor anyone else is happening this upcoming season.

Best alternative is Wilcox recruits well, the offense and defense have strong years. Cal wins nine or more games, and looks like it belongs in the next variation of power conferences, and we move forward happily ever after.

If that doesn't happen, it is likely Cal will need to find a young (read inexperienced) hot Marion like head coach who somehow has the ability to achieve a fairly quick turnaround occur. The alternative is Cal somehow gets Rivera to take a massive haircut on what likely NFL suitors are offering, and hope his reputation translates into a giant roster change, with huge donor coin for NIL. Obviously, there is less to worry about on the coaching side - Rivera is a known commodity, and he will attract good assistant coaches,.

Absent that, an experienced coach who is not a retread, isn't coming to Cal for salary and other reasons which have been addressed in this forum previously. And yes, I do know Cal has a lot to offer that doesn't jump out immediately.

Like I said, suboptimal. But the Bear will not die, the Bear will not quit.

But this is appears to be simply false. Harsin visited Nix at Oregon and the two took a very "happy to see you" photo together. Harsin also recently retweeted positive news about Nix.

I guess it's official. Posted on the Cal Bears website.

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I guess it's official. Posted on the Cal Bears website.

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It was announced on Monday.

Here is the article:

Travers Family Head Football Coach Justin Wilcox announced Monday that Bryan Harsin will be California's new offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.

Harsin Named Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Coach
With Justin Wilcox as the defensive coordinator and Bryan Harsin as the offensive coordinator from 2006-09, Boise State went 49-4 overall and won two Fiesta Bowls.
FB12/10/2024 3:12 PM | By: Cal Athletics

Harsin Named Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks Coach
Veteran Coach Comes To Cal With 23 Years Of Offensive Coaching Experience

Travers Family Head Football Coach Justin Wilcox announced Monday that Bryan Harsin will be California's new offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.

Harsin comes to Berkeley with 23 years of coaching experience on the offensive side of the ball, including 10 seasons as an FBS head coach at Auburn (2021-22), Boise State (2014-20) and Arkansas State (2013).

"Coach Harsin is one of the best offensive minds in football and we are excited to welcome him to Cal," Travers Family Head Football Coach Justin Wilcox said. "I have spent several years of my coaching career on the same staff and in the same room with Coach Harsin. He is a proven winner whose record speaks for itself and he will make an immediate impact on our offense and in recruiting."

With Wilcox as the defensive coordinator and Harsin as the offensive coordinator from 2006-09, Boise State went 49-4 overall and won two Fiesta Bowls.

Harsin led the Tigers to ranked wins over No. 17 Arkansas and No. 10 Ole Miss in 2021 and pieced together two Top-20 recruiting classes while on The Plains. He compiled a 69-19 overall record with three Mountain West Conference titles in his seven seasons in Boise.

Holding an 85-36 overall record as a head coach at the FBS level, Harsin is a former Boise State quarterback, assistant coach and offensive coordinator.

The former Bronco letter winner was named head coach at Boise State in December 2013 - he played quarterback for Boise State from 1995-99. Harsin coached running backs and receivers at Eastern Oregon in 2000 and began his coaching stint at Boise State as a graduate assistant in 2001 before taking over the tight ends as a full-time assistant coach from 2002-05.

Harsin assumed the role of offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach in 2006 when Chris Petersen was hired as head coach. He was Petersen's offensive coordinator for five seasons and was named a finalist for the 2009 Broyles Award, awarded annually to the nation's top assistant coach. Boise State went 61-5 during his tenure as offensive coordinator.

In Harsin's first season as offensive coordinator, the 2006 Broncos went undefeated and running back Ian Johnson led the country in rushing touchdowns and scoring. Johnson also set a school single-season record with 1,713 yards. He was named to four separate All-America teams and finished eighth in the Heisman Trophy voting.

In his five seasons as offensive coordinator at BSU, Harsin's offenses were in the top five nationally in scoring four times, capped by ranking first in 2009 (42.2 ppg) and second in 2010 (45.1 ppg). They also ranked second in 2006 (39.7 ppg), fourth in 2007 (42.4 ppg) and 12th in 2008 (37.6 ppg). In all, Boise State averaged 41.4 ppg during his time as coordinator.

The Broncos ranked in the Top 10 in total offense in three of Harsin's seasons as coordinator and were no lower than 18th in all five of his years, culminating in 2010 with an average of 521.3 ypg, which set the BSU school record and ranked second nationally. In those five seasons, the Broncos offense averaged 459.9 ypg.

As quarterbacks coach, Harsin guided Kellen Moore into becoming one of the nation's most productive quarterbacks. In 2010, Moore was named first-team All-America by the Football Writers Association of America and became Boise State's first Heisman Trophy finalist. He was also a finalist for the Maxwell Award, Davey O'Brien Award and Manning Award and was named the nation's top quarterback by The Touchdown Club of Columbus.

Harsin was the offensive coordinator for Boise State's Fiesta Bowl winning seasons in 2006 (43-42 vs. Oklahoma) and 2009 (17-10 vs. TCU). With Harsin on staff, Boise State won 11 conference championships.

Following the 2010 season, Harsin went to Texas, where he served as co-offensive coordinator from 2011-12. While with the Longhorns, Harsin helped guide the ascension of an offense that ranked 88th in scoring prior to his arrival to No. 24 nationally in 2012 (36.1).

In Harsin's first season at Texas, he had the task of putting a new offense in place with a young group that featured 10 freshmen and sophomores starting for the Longhorns. Despite its youth, the offense was able to put up over 500 yards of total offense four times and rank 21st nationally in rushing offense with 202.6 yards per game. The team ran for over 400 yards in back-to-back games against Kansas (441) and Texas Tech (439), marking just the fifth and sixth 400-yard rushing performances by Texas since 1980.

The Longhorns posted over 400 yards total offense in nine games and scored at least 30 in eight, including a season-high 66 against Ole Miss.

Harsin then earned his first head coaching opportunity at Arkansas State in 2013, which claimed a share of the Sun Belt Conference championship and a berth in the GoDaddy.com Bowl that season.

The Boise, Idaho, native graduated from Boise State with a degree in business management. He and his wife, Kes, have two daughters, Devyn Lynn and Dayn Mykena, and a son, Davis.

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I don't think the opposition to Harsin is due to his politics. It's due to his past. If Wilcox had chosen somebody popular like Luigi, the fan base wouldn't care about politics.

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Luigi appears to be very popular with left wing women.