Fernando’s brother confirms this long running rumor. Great start to the relationship by Bloesch. What an idiot! pic.twitter.com/iLZD5tMtnQ
— Not Ryan Cobb #FireKnowlton (@hairtest420) December 11, 2024
CNHTH said:
Yikes. Toxxxxxxxxxic environment much?Fernando’s brother confirms this long running rumor. Great start to the relationship by Bloesch. What an idiot! pic.twitter.com/iLZD5tMtnQ
— Not Ryan Cobb #FireKnowlton (@hairtest420) December 11, 2024
Maybe I'll frame my "98 yards with my boys" t-shirt (still in the mail) for my office both as a memento for a great moment in Cal history and as a warning toward keeping sober expectations.annarborbear said:
Fernando may still get another better offer. In which case, he will then give the same inspiring good-bye speech at Indiana.
Everyone should find someone who has as much faith in them as you do in this coaching staff.oski003 said:CNHTH said:
Yikes. Toxxxxxxxxxic environment much?Fernando’s brother confirms this long running rumor. Great start to the relationship by Bloesch. What an idiot! pic.twitter.com/iLZD5tMtnQ
— Not Ryan Cobb #FireKnowlton (@hairtest420) December 11, 2024
Just another thing for the naive to validate in their mind that the sky is falling.
Wilcox and Bloesch helped turn a 2* into a 4*. They did him well.
concernedparent said:Everyone should find someone who has as much faith in them as you do in this coaching staff.oski003 said:CNHTH said:
Yikes. Toxxxxxxxxxic environment much?Fernando’s brother confirms this long running rumor. Great start to the relationship by Bloesch. What an idiot! pic.twitter.com/iLZD5tMtnQ
— Not Ryan Cobb #FireKnowlton (@hairtest420) December 11, 2024
Just another thing for the naive to validate in their mind that the sky is falling.
Wilcox and Bloesch helped turn a 2* into a 4*. They did him well.
They can't evaluate QB talent for ***** They only gave Mendoza a chance after all their coveted transfers flamed out. Then this year they continually tried to make Rogers work when it was obvious he couldn't hack it.
the whole Mendoza/Chandler/JKS situation has been managed... "poorly" doesn't do it justice. None of this needed to be complicated in any way or adversarial to these extents. Just unbelievably bad peple managementDaveT said:
What a mess. Unfair to Fernando, unfair to Chandler, stupid of Bloesch, stupid of Wilcox . . . . This was pretty widely rumored for a while (and makes perfect sense looking back on summer ball), but just shows how bad Wilcox is at his job. Why is your OC promising a starting role to a transfer QB? Did you not realize this, or did you think it was ok? Either way it's nuts.
bencgilmore said:the whole Mendoza/Chandler/JKS situation has been managed... "poorly" doesn't do it justice. None of this needed to be complicated in any way or adversarial to these extents. Just unbelievably bad peple managementDaveT said:
What a mess. Unfair to Fernando, unfair to Chandler, stupid of Bloesch, stupid of Wilcox . . . . This was pretty widely rumored for a while (and makes perfect sense looking back on summer ball), but just shows how bad Wilcox is at his job. Why is your OC promising a starting role to a transfer QB? Did you not realize this, or did you think it was ok? Either way it's nuts.
Wilcox better hope Harsin pulls 40 ppg out of his ass, because i've given wilcox more leeway than nearly anyone on this board.
HungryCalBear said:
Even the year before that, how the coaches started Jackson and Finley before settling with Mendoza puzzled me.
concernedparent said:Everyone should find someone who has as much faith in them as you do in this coaching staff.oski003 said:CNHTH said:
Yikes. Toxxxxxxxxxic environment much?Fernando’s brother confirms this long running rumor. Great start to the relationship by Bloesch. What an idiot! pic.twitter.com/iLZD5tMtnQ
— Not Ryan Cobb #FireKnowlton (@hairtest420) December 11, 2024
Just another thing for the naive to validate in their mind that the sky is falling.
Wilcox and Bloesch helped turn a 2* into a 4*. They did him well.
They can't evaluate QB talent for ***** They only gave Mendoza a chance after all their coveted transfers flamed out. Then this year they continually tried to make Rogers work when it was obvious he couldn't hack it.
oh? alrighty then, buh byesonofabear51 said:
Not just Wilcox, the whole God!@#$%^ Athletic Department from the top down. They ALL suck!
Mendoza became a 4* in spite of Wilcox and Bloesch. If he were on a decent program, he may even be a Heisman dark horseoski003 said:bencgilmore said:the whole Mendoza/Chandler/JKS situation has been managed... "poorly" doesn't do it justice. None of this needed to be complicated in any way or adversarial to these extents. Just unbelievably bad peple managementDaveT said:
What a mess. Unfair to Fernando, unfair to Chandler, stupid of Bloesch, stupid of Wilcox . . . . This was pretty widely rumored for a while (and makes perfect sense looking back on summer ball), but just shows how bad Wilcox is at his job. Why is your OC promising a starting role to a transfer QB? Did you not realize this, or did you think it was ok? Either way it's nuts.
Wilcox better hope Harsin pulls 40 ppg out of his ass, because i've given wilcox more leeway than nearly anyone on this board.
The Rogers/Mendoza situation was managed well enough to turn a 2* unwanted QB into a 4* QB being offered millions of dollars to play college football.
Evaluating him as a prospect? Sure. Musgrave did a nice job scouting and signing Fernando. Then when he got to campus, he sat behind two of the worst QB "starters" (not starting because of injury) I've seen at Cal. As soon as he got significant playing time against Oregon State, all of us here quickly realized how much better he was than the other guys and questioned why he wasn't getting more of a look.Pittstop said:concernedparent said:Everyone should find someone who has as much faith in them as you do in this coaching staff.oski003 said:CNHTH said:
Yikes. Toxxxxxxxxxic environment much?Fernando’s brother confirms this long running rumor. Great start to the relationship by Bloesch. What an idiot! pic.twitter.com/iLZD5tMtnQ
— Not Ryan Cobb #FireKnowlton (@hairtest420) December 11, 2024
Just another thing for the naive to validate in their mind that the sky is falling.
Wilcox and Bloesch helped turn a 2* into a 4*. They did him well.
They can't evaluate QB talent for ***** They only gave Mendoza a chance after all their coveted transfers flamed out. Then this year they continually tried to make Rogers work when it was obvious he couldn't hack it.
Come on, man. 'Both sides' are being extreme. Bone headed to "promise" 'anything' by Bloesch, if true. But Cal obviously did a good job "evaluating" 2-star QB Fernando, and were his only P4 offer - he was committed to Yale, for Chrissakes, with no other viable options at the time. Cal "evaluated" him after a recommendation from one of Musgrave's friends, and gave him a P4 scholly - took a flyer on him, so to speak - and ultimately 'developed him' into a starting P4 QB by his (RS) Sophomore season. Andas a result Cal has helped him become a 4-star, in-demand Portal QB. Competition - with Chandler Rogers, or anyone else - is not a bad thing. Forcing your QB to "win" the job...to "beat out" the competition, is the point, isn't it? *** should he be whining about having to f'n 'compete'?
Fire Starkey said:
everyone is assuming that Alberto is speaking the truth. Maybe he is, I dunno. But maybe not. Doesn't hurt the Mendoza narrative if big bro "wasn't believed in"
I don't understand the idea that the staff truly "developed" Mendoza. He was scout team his first year and was getting third team snaps his second year. If anyone's played competitive sports you know how much less attention and snaps you get on those teams. This is not like Tony Franklin/Dykes and Goff situation where they handpicked someone they (rightly) thought had potential and invested critical first team snaps on.DoubtfulBear said:Mendoza became a 4* in spite of Wilcox and Bloesch.oski003 said:bencgilmore said:the whole Mendoza/Chandler/JKS situation has been managed... "poorly" doesn't do it justice. None of this needed to be complicated in any way or adversarial to these extents. Just unbelievably bad peple managementDaveT said:
What a mess. Unfair to Fernando, unfair to Chandler, stupid of Bloesch, stupid of Wilcox . . . . This was pretty widely rumored for a while (and makes perfect sense looking back on summer ball), but just shows how bad Wilcox is at his job. Why is your OC promising a starting role to a transfer QB? Did you not realize this, or did you think it was ok? Either way it's nuts.
Wilcox better hope Harsin pulls 40 ppg out of his ass, because i've given wilcox more leeway than nearly anyone on this board.
The Rogers/Mendoza situation was managed well enough to turn a 2* unwanted QB into a 4* QB being offered millions of dollars to play college football.
concernedparent said:Evaluating him as a prospect? Sure. Musgrave did a nice job scouting and signing Fernando. Then when he got to campus, he sat behind two of the worst QB "starters" (not starting because of injury) I've seen at Cal. As soon as he got significant playing time against Oregon State, all of us here quickly realized how much better he was than the other guys and questioned why he wasn't getting more of a look.Pittstop said:concernedparent said:Everyone should find someone who has as much faith in them as you do in this coaching staff.oski003 said:CNHTH said:
Yikes. Toxxxxxxxxxic environment much?Fernando’s brother confirms this long running rumor. Great start to the relationship by Bloesch. What an idiot! pic.twitter.com/iLZD5tMtnQ
— Not Ryan Cobb #FireKnowlton (@hairtest420) December 11, 2024
Just another thing for the naive to validate in their mind that the sky is falling.
Wilcox and Bloesch helped turn a 2* into a 4*. They did him well.
They can't evaluate QB talent for ***** They only gave Mendoza a chance after all their coveted transfers flamed out. Then this year they continually tried to make Rogers work when it was obvious he couldn't hack it.
Come on, man. 'Both sides' are being extreme. Bone headed to "promise" 'anything' by Bloesch, if true. But Cal obviously did a good job "evaluating" 2-star QB Fernando, and were his only P4 offer - he was committed to Yale, for Chrissakes, with no other viable options at the time. Cal "evaluated" him after a recommendation from one of Musgrave's friends, and gave him a P4 scholly - took a flyer on him, so to speak - and ultimately 'developed him' into a starting P4 QB by his (RS) Sophomore season. Andas a result Cal has helped him become a 4-star, in-demand Portal QB. Competition - with Chandler Rogers, or anyone else - is not a bad thing. Forcing your QB to "win" the job...to "beat out" the competition, is the point, isn't it? *** should he be whining about having to f'n 'compete'?
Competition is great. I'm glad they brought in Rogers and thought on-paper before the season he could potentially win the job. I'm talking about the fact the staff couldn't see that Chandler Rogers was not working out in practice and gave him snaps late into fall camp and in-game that he did not deserve. Competition shouldn't mean artificially elevating a lesser player because of stubbornness (or as is insinuated, some backroom deal).
It certainly isn't a bad thing....unless you're Cal, and said qb that you developed into a 4-star leaves for the portal.Pittstop said:concernedparent said:Everyone should find someone who has as much faith in them as you do in this coaching staff.oski003 said:CNHTH said:
Yikes. Toxxxxxxxxxic environment much?Fernando’s brother confirms this long running rumor. Great start to the relationship by Bloesch. What an idiot! pic.twitter.com/iLZD5tMtnQ
— Not Ryan Cobb #FireKnowlton (@hairtest420) December 11, 2024
Just another thing for the naive to validate in their mind that the sky is falling.
Wilcox and Bloesch helped turn a 2* into a 4*. They did him well.
They can't evaluate QB talent for ***** They only gave Mendoza a chance after all their coveted transfers flamed out. Then this year they continually tried to make Rogers work when it was obvious he couldn't hack it.
Come on, man. 'Both sides' are being extreme. Bone headed to "promise" 'anything' by Bloesch, if true. But Cal obviously did a good job "evaluating" 2-star QB Fernando, and were his only P4 offer - he was committed to Yale, for Chrissakes, with no other viable options at the time. Cal "evaluated" him after a recommendation from one of Musgrave's friends, and gave him a P4 scholly - took a flyer on him, so to speak - and ultimately 'developed him' into a starting P4 QB by his (RS) Sophomore season. And as a result Cal has helped him become a now-4-star, in-demand Portal QB. Competition - with Chandler Rogers, or anyone else - is not a bad thing. Forcing your QB to "win" the job...to "beat out" the competition, is the point, isn't it? *** should he be whining about having to f'n 'compete'?
Cal8285 said:
I don't buy it, it makes no sense.
Did Rogers claim that he was promised the starting job? Maybe, or maybe Mendoza heard that from someone other than the OC. But if Rogers was promised the starting job, why didn't he start against Davis?
More likely, Rogers was promised that he would be able to compete for the starting job. Maybe even Mendoza was told that Rogers was going to be able to compete for the starting job. Maybe Mendoza wouldn't (or didn't) like that. Highly unlikely Mendoza was told that Rogers was promised the starting job, unless he was told by Rogers, which Mendoza shouldn't have believed.
If Rogers had started the Davis game, then maybe I'd believe the coaches were idiotic enough to promise him the starting job. But that didn't happen.
Alberto Mendoza certainly didn't get this first hand from the OC, even if he sincerely believes it, and maybe the message got modified in the retelling before it got to Alberto. The likelihood of it being true is pretty slim. Bloesch is gone, so it doesn't matter that much (although if it were true, the buck still stops with Wilcox), but it just doesn't ring true with Mendoza having gotten the first snaps against Davis.
HungryCalBear said:
Even the year before that, how the coaches started Jackson and Finley before settling with Mendoza puzzled me.
DoubtfulBear said:Mendoza became a 4* in spite of Wilcox and Bloesch. If he were on a decent program, he may even be a Heisman dark horseoski003 said:bencgilmore said:the whole Mendoza/Chandler/JKS situation has been managed... "poorly" doesn't do it justice. None of this needed to be complicated in any way or adversarial to these extents. Just unbelievably bad peple managementDaveT said:
What a mess. Unfair to Fernando, unfair to Chandler, stupid of Bloesch, stupid of Wilcox . . . . This was pretty widely rumored for a while (and makes perfect sense looking back on summer ball), but just shows how bad Wilcox is at his job. Why is your OC promising a starting role to a transfer QB? Did you not realize this, or did you think it was ok? Either way it's nuts.
Wilcox better hope Harsin pulls 40 ppg out of his ass, because i've given wilcox more leeway than nearly anyone on this board.
The Rogers/Mendoza situation was managed well enough to turn a 2* unwanted QB into a 4* QB being offered millions of dollars to play college football.
Based on what? Because it is being reported differently by multiple sources on X that appear to have some connection to the situation.Big C said:Cal8285 said:
I don't buy it, it makes no sense.
Did Rogers claim that he was promised the starting job? Maybe, or maybe Mendoza heard that from someone other than the OC. But if Rogers was promised the starting job, why didn't he start against Davis?
More likely, Rogers was promised that he would be able to compete for the starting job. Maybe even Mendoza was told that Rogers was going to be able to compete for the starting job. Maybe Mendoza wouldn't (or didn't) like that. Highly unlikely Mendoza was told that Rogers was promised the starting job, unless he was told by Rogers, which Mendoza shouldn't have believed.
If Rogers had started the Davis game, then maybe I'd believe the coaches were idiotic enough to promise him the starting job. But that didn't happen.
Alberto Mendoza certainly didn't get this first hand from the OC, even if he sincerely believes it, and maybe the message got modified in the retelling before it got to Alberto. The likelihood of it being true is pretty slim. Bloesch is gone, so it doesn't matter that much (although if it were true, the buck still stops with Wilcox), but it just doesn't ring true with Mendoza having gotten the first snaps against Davis.
I'm 99% sure it was like this. (^)
""Chandler, we'll give you an equal chance to win the job in Spring Practice and Fall Camp and, either way, you will play in the earlier games."
Rogers had a good enough year in 2023 where he was only going to go somewhere where he had a promise to be able to compete for the starting position.
Nobody -- well, hardly anybody -- has the coaches guarantee them a starting spot. If Mendoza had a problem with that, he needed to get real. He won the job and he played the vast majority of downs. (Well, not against SMU, lol.) Treated fairly.
DaveT said:Based on what? Because it is being reported differently by multiple sources on X that appear to have some connection to the situation.Big C said:Cal8285 said:
I don't buy it, it makes no sense.
Did Rogers claim that he was promised the starting job? Maybe, or maybe Mendoza heard that from someone other than the OC. But if Rogers was promised the starting job, why didn't he start against Davis?
More likely, Rogers was promised that he would be able to compete for the starting job. Maybe even Mendoza was told that Rogers was going to be able to compete for the starting job. Maybe Mendoza wouldn't (or didn't) like that. Highly unlikely Mendoza was told that Rogers was promised the starting job, unless he was told by Rogers, which Mendoza shouldn't have believed.
If Rogers had started the Davis game, then maybe I'd believe the coaches were idiotic enough to promise him the starting job. But that didn't happen.
Alberto Mendoza certainly didn't get this first hand from the OC, even if he sincerely believes it, and maybe the message got modified in the retelling before it got to Alberto. The likelihood of it being true is pretty slim. Bloesch is gone, so it doesn't matter that much (although if it were true, the buck still stops with Wilcox), but it just doesn't ring true with Mendoza having gotten the first snaps against Davis.
I'm 99% sure it was like this. (^)
""Chandler, we'll give you an equal chance to win the job in Spring Practice and Fall Camp and, either way, you will play in the earlier games."
Rogers had a good enough year in 2023 where he was only going to go somewhere where he had a promise to be able to compete for the starting position.
Nobody -- well, hardly anybody -- has the coaches guarantee them a starting spot. If Mendoza had a problem with that, he needed to get real. He won the job and he played the vast majority of downs. (Well, not against SMU, lol.) Treated fairly.
They are all saying Chandler was promised the starting job, not that he was offered a "equal chance to win the job in Spring Practice and Fall Camp." If that were the case, nobody would care.
Why is it so hard to believe Bloesch wanted Rogers to run his offense, told him he'd be the QB1 to get him to Cal, Rogers got pissed when it didn't happen and told someone, and it got back to Mendoza? That seems a lot more likely than this game of telephone people are hypothesizing.
That's fair. I think it does ask the question tho as to why Rogers would come into games at different times and circumstances. Some, I would agree, would be to create a different look. But other times when he came into the game, they were head scratchers. There was no reason for it.Bearly Clad said:
Honestly of the many, many failings of this coaching staff I don't think this is one. First off, I think the promise was more that they'd give Rodgers first crack at the starting job and not an outright promise he would start. It makes sense considering that Fernando had a good, not great, first season with (if I remember right) 16 TDs and 9 INTs. They also gave them even reps in spring and summer practices until Fernando outperformed him and took the job for the entire season. Second, when you have a highly-touted incomer compared to an underwhelming known quantity of course you're going to give them the first look to see what you have. But the fact that Fernando started the back half of last year and all of this year despite having basically no offers out of high school and was set to pay to go to Yale speaks to the fact that he earned the job and that the coaching staff didn't put unnecessary obstacles in his way.
I'll denigrate this coaching staff for lots of reasons but this seems like a non-issue. In a season where he was the starter for the entire slate he wasn't guaranteed the job and it's somehow unfair to him? Let's be honest, he was the entrenched starter but not unusurpable; he was given an even shake and he won the job. If that's where we did him wrong coming off a good, not great, first season then I can live with that. It's the other issues with our program, staff, and on-field product that should have pushed him away
CNHTH said:
Yikes. Toxxxxxxxxxic environment much?Fernando’s brother confirms this long running rumor. Great start to the relationship by Bloesch. What an idiot! pic.twitter.com/iLZD5tMtnQ
— Not Ryan Cobb #FireKnowlton (@hairtest420) December 11, 2024
Pittstop said:concernedparent said:Everyone should find someone who has as much faith in them as you do in this coaching staff.oski003 said:CNHTH said:
Yikes. Toxxxxxxxxxic environment much?Fernando’s brother confirms this long running rumor. Great start to the relationship by Bloesch. What an idiot! pic.twitter.com/iLZD5tMtnQ
— Not Ryan Cobb #FireKnowlton (@hairtest420) December 11, 2024
Just another thing for the naive to validate in their mind that the sky is falling.
Wilcox and Bloesch helped turn a 2* into a 4*. They did him well.
They can't evaluate QB talent for ***** They only gave Mendoza a chance after all their coveted transfers flamed out. Then this year they continually tried to make Rogers work when it was obvious he couldn't hack it.
Come on, man. 'Both sides' are being extreme. Bone headed to "promise" 'anything' by Bloesch, if true. But Cal obviously did a good job "evaluating" 2-star QB Fernando, and were his only P4 offer - he was committed to Yale, for Chrissakes, with no other viable options at the time. Cal "evaluated" him after a recommendation from one of Musgrave's friends, and gave him a P4 scholly - took a flyer on him, so to speak - and ultimately 'developed him' into a starting P4 QB by his (RS) Sophomore season. And as a result Cal has helped him become a now-4-star, in-demand Portal QB. Competition - with Chandler Rogers, or anyone else - is not a bad thing. Forcing your QB to "win" the job...to "beat out" the competition, is the point, isn't it? Why tf should he be whining about having to f'n 'compete'?
DaveT said:Based on what? Because it is being reported differently by multiple sources on X that appear to have some connection to the situation.Big C said:Cal8285 said:
I don't buy it, it makes no sense.
Did Rogers claim that he was promised the starting job? Maybe, or maybe Mendoza heard that from someone other than the OC. But if Rogers was promised the starting job, why didn't he start against Davis?
More likely, Rogers was promised that he would be able to compete for the starting job. Maybe even Mendoza was told that Rogers was going to be able to compete for the starting job. Maybe Mendoza wouldn't (or didn't) like that. Highly unlikely Mendoza was told that Rogers was promised the starting job, unless he was told by Rogers, which Mendoza shouldn't have believed.
If Rogers had started the Davis game, then maybe I'd believe the coaches were idiotic enough to promise him the starting job. But that didn't happen.
Alberto Mendoza certainly didn't get this first hand from the OC, even if he sincerely believes it, and maybe the message got modified in the retelling before it got to Alberto. The likelihood of it being true is pretty slim. Bloesch is gone, so it doesn't matter that much (although if it were true, the buck still stops with Wilcox), but it just doesn't ring true with Mendoza having gotten the first snaps against Davis.
I'm 99% sure it was like this. (^)
""Chandler, we'll give you an equal chance to win the job in Spring Practice and Fall Camp and, either way, you will play in the earlier games."
Rogers had a good enough year in 2023 where he was only going to go somewhere where he had a promise to be able to compete for the starting position.
Nobody -- well, hardly anybody -- has the coaches guarantee them a starting spot. If Mendoza had a problem with that, he needed to get real. He won the job and he played the vast majority of downs. (Well, not against SMU, lol.) Treated fairly.
They are all saying Chandler was promised the starting job, not that he was offered a "equal chance to win the job in Spring Practice and Fall Camp." If that were the case, nobody would care.
Why is it so hard to believe Bloesch wanted Rogers to run his offense, told him he'd be the QB1 to get him to Cal, Rogers got pissed when it didn't happen and told someone, and it got back to Mendoza? That seems a lot more likely than this game of telephone people are hypothesizing.
