What a wonderful world we the gullible sports fans have allowed to be created.golden sloth said:Big C said:falseintellect said:
Why? Start JKS. The team is not winning more then 3-4 games next year, get his era started
A different take:
1. Play the guy that gives us the best chance to win right away. Only wins are going to get this thing turned around. Very likely, that's Brown, at least in 2025. We need a guy who can help us win games now.
2. Fine for JKS to spend a year getting up to speed before he gets thrown in there, Goff was an exception, playing pretty well as a true freshman. And the hits he took and the pressure he endured might have broken a lesser QB, but instead, he got stronger.
3. Starting JKS undeservedly only supplies a built-in excuse to give Wilcox another year.
Play the guy that gives Cal the best chance to win because everyone will transfer anyway.
There is no reason to invest in a player anymore. If the player over performs they will leave for more money. If the player underperforms they will leave for a fresh start.
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falseintellect said:
Why? Start JKS. The team is not winning more then 3-4 games next year, get his era started
Brown will start and JKS will transfer again
I'm pulling for Caminong to make big strides in the offseason.
Hello, Cal Bear Fans!
This is my first post; probably not my last, so figured I'd start with a Buckeye Alum.
I am also a Buckeye Alum living in the East Bay, and after YEARS of following Ohio State football I'm "transitioning" over to Cal. I've followed Cal loosely over the years, since I'm a big CFB fan, and generally attend one game a year. But I always wanted to dive in further, and with Devin now manning the ship, this seems like the best time.
Don't call me a frontrunner!
That said, I love Devin Brown as a player and a person. I have many connections at OSU who are quite connected to the program, and everyone feels the same way. No one did it more the right way than Devin did.
The reality is he was far better than Kyle McCord, but he got hurt in spring, and then when Coach Day was going to start moving toward him playing more, he hurt his leg on a Goal Line run against Penn State. Everyone knew McCord didn't have the stomach to be OSU's QB, but he was the upperclassman who got the nod when it was tied. But again, the goal was to make Brown the starter, and had he been the starter there's a very real chance Ohio State does even better last year. In the Missouri game, the leg apparently wasn't healed, and then he got both hit and caught by the turf monster. All of it sucked because everyone really wanted Devin Brown to be the guy.
In the off-season they went out and got Will Howard - or should I say, paid for. Devin Brown wasn't being paid that much, but he was being paid a bit because it was assumed he would be the guy. Once Howard came on the coaches had but no choice other than make him the starter unless Brown was so far ahead of him, which he wasn't. In fact, they're similar quarterbacks. I would argue Devin Brown is the better athlete and player, but apparently Howard excels at processing, etc. Anyway, Howard got the job and Brown became the backup. Once Julian Sayin arrived there was nothing left for Brown. Again, Sayin got paid to come as well.
Anyway, Devin Brown has all the tools to win. He's got more skills than Mendoza, and he's tougher. He can run, he can pass, he's a great teammate, and he wears Sammy Baugh's number. What's not to like? He was a 4-5 Star recruit, no different from JKS. And NO ONE should want JKS to start this year. After all, if he did well as a Freshman? B'bye. Cal isn't going to pay him. You already know he's fickle.
Best case Scenario is Devin has an amazing season, or two, and JKS is willing to wait. He's probably not. But regardless, I'm all in on this kid and will be attending more games.
He has the goods to be the starting QB of the national champion. That's all that needs to be said.
This is my first post; probably not my last, so figured I'd start with a Buckeye Alum.
I am also a Buckeye Alum living in the East Bay, and after YEARS of following Ohio State football I'm "transitioning" over to Cal. I've followed Cal loosely over the years, since I'm a big CFB fan, and generally attend one game a year. But I always wanted to dive in further, and with Devin now manning the ship, this seems like the best time.
Don't call me a frontrunner!
That said, I love Devin Brown as a player and a person. I have many connections at OSU who are quite connected to the program, and everyone feels the same way. No one did it more the right way than Devin did.
The reality is he was far better than Kyle McCord, but he got hurt in spring, and then when Coach Day was going to start moving toward him playing more, he hurt his leg on a Goal Line run against Penn State. Everyone knew McCord didn't have the stomach to be OSU's QB, but he was the upperclassman who got the nod when it was tied. But again, the goal was to make Brown the starter, and had he been the starter there's a very real chance Ohio State does even better last year. In the Missouri game, the leg apparently wasn't healed, and then he got both hit and caught by the turf monster. All of it sucked because everyone really wanted Devin Brown to be the guy.
In the off-season they went out and got Will Howard - or should I say, paid for. Devin Brown wasn't being paid that much, but he was being paid a bit because it was assumed he would be the guy. Once Howard came on the coaches had but no choice other than make him the starter unless Brown was so far ahead of him, which he wasn't. In fact, they're similar quarterbacks. I would argue Devin Brown is the better athlete and player, but apparently Howard excels at processing, etc. Anyway, Howard got the job and Brown became the backup. Once Julian Sayin arrived there was nothing left for Brown. Again, Sayin got paid to come as well.
Anyway, Devin Brown has all the tools to win. He's got more skills than Mendoza, and he's tougher. He can run, he can pass, he's a great teammate, and he wears Sammy Baugh's number. What's not to like? He was a 4-5 Star recruit, no different from JKS. And NO ONE should want JKS to start this year. After all, if he did well as a Freshman? B'bye. Cal isn't going to pay him. You already know he's fickle.
Best case Scenario is Devin has an amazing season, or two, and JKS is willing to wait. He's probably not. But regardless, I'm all in on this kid and will be attending more games.
He has the goods to be the starting QB of the national champion. That's all that needs to be said.
Thanks for the post DoctorRock and welcome to the Bear family (hopefully long-term). Everything I read about Devin Brown sounds great, especially about him as a person.
I am excited for both JKS and Brown, but hope the best QB wins the starting job. Hopefully that is Brown, so JKS can learn and grow and Brown can finally get his shot.
It may not be quite the crowds of the 'Shoe, but if we can string together a few seasons like back when Tedford was coaching, Memorial can be equally exciting, but with much better weather and a better view!
I am excited for both JKS and Brown, but hope the best QB wins the starting job. Hopefully that is Brown, so JKS can learn and grow and Brown can finally get his shot.
It may not be quite the crowds of the 'Shoe, but if we can string together a few seasons like back when Tedford was coaching, Memorial can be equally exciting, but with much better weather and a better view!
didn't know he got dinged like that. Is it a sign of a tendency?DoctorRocks0 said:
Hello, Cal Bear Fans!
This is my first post; probably not my last, so figured I'd start with a Buckeye Alum.
I am also a Buckeye Alum living in the East Bay, and after YEARS of following Ohio State football I'm "transitioning" over to Cal. I've followed Cal loosely over the years, since I'm a big CFB fan, and generally attend one game a year. But I always wanted to dive in further, and with Devin now manning the ship, this seems like the best time.
Don't call me a frontrunner!
That said, I love Devin Brown as a player and a person. I have many connections at OSU who are quite connected to the program, and everyone feels the same way. No one did it more the right way than Devin did.
The reality is he was far better than Kyle McCord, but he got hurt in spring, and then when Coach Day was going to start moving toward him playing more, he hurt his leg on a Goal Line run against Penn State. Everyone knew McCord didn't have the stomach to be OSU's QB, but he was the upperclassman who got the nod when it was tied. But again, the goal was to make Brown the starter, and had he been the starter there's a very real chance Ohio State does even better last year. In the Missouri game, the leg apparently wasn't healed, and then he got both hit and caught by the turf monster. All of it sucked because everyone really wanted Devin Brown to be the guy.
In the off-season they went out and got Will Howard - or should I say, paid for. Devin Brown wasn't being paid that much, but he was being paid a bit because it was assumed he would be the guy. Once Howard came on the coaches had but no choice other than make him the starter unless Brown was so far ahead of him, which he wasn't. In fact, they're similar quarterbacks. I would argue Devin Brown is the better athlete and player, but apparently Howard excels at processing, etc. Anyway, Howard got the job and Brown became the backup. Once Julian Sayin arrived there was nothing left for Brown. Again, Sayin got paid to come as well.
Anyway, Devin Brown has all the tools to win. He's got more skills than Mendoza, and he's tougher. He can run, he can pass, he's a great teammate, and he wears Sammy Baugh's number. What's not to like? He was a 4-5 Star recruit, no different from JKS. And NO ONE should want JKS to start this year. After all, if he did well as a Freshman? B'bye. Cal isn't going to pay him. You already know he's fickle.
Best case Scenario is Devin has an amazing season, or two, and JKS is willing to wait. He's probably not. But regardless, I'm all in on this kid and will be attending more games.
He has the goods to be the starting QB of the national champion. That's all that needs to be said.
Maybe he's injury prone or maybe it just lingered? We shall find out. He has had a long time to heal. Has a cannon for an arm. He played a bit against Michigan state when the game was close and made the throw on Jeremiah Smiths fist crazy one hand grab. Worth watching him then to see what he's about.
Welcome to Bear Insider, Doc! I hope you (we) are treated to some good football this fall!
Maybe McCord grew as a person and a QB once he got to Cuse, but after seeing McCord vs. Cal last year, if Brown is "better," then that's pretty big....DoctorRocks0 said:
Hello, Cal Bear Fans!
This is my first post; probably not my last, so figured I'd start with a Buckeye Alum.
I am also a Buckeye Alum living in the East Bay, and after YEARS of following Ohio State football I'm "transitioning" over to Cal. I've followed Cal loosely over the years, since I'm a big CFB fan, and generally attend one game a year. But I always wanted to dive in further, and with Devin now manning the ship, this seems like the best time.
Don't call me a frontrunner!
That said, I love Devin Brown as a player and a person. I have many connections at OSU who are quite connected to the program, and everyone feels the same way. No one did it more the right way than Devin did.
The reality is he was far better than Kyle McCord, but he got hurt in spring, and then when Coach Day was going to start moving toward him playing more, he hurt his leg on a Goal Line run against Penn State. Everyone knew McCord didn't have the stomach to be OSU's QB, but he was the upperclassman who got the nod when it was tied. But again, the goal was to make Brown the starter, and had he been the starter there's a very real chance Ohio State does even better last year. In the Missouri game, the leg apparently wasn't healed, and then he got both hit and caught by the turf monster. All of it sucked because everyone really wanted Devin Brown to be the guy.
In the off-season they went out and got Will Howard - or should I say, paid for. Devin Brown wasn't being paid that much, but he was being paid a bit because it was assumed he would be the guy. Once Howard came on the coaches had but no choice other than make him the starter unless Brown was so far ahead of him, which he wasn't. In fact, they're similar quarterbacks. I would argue Devin Brown is the better athlete and player, but apparently Howard excels at processing, etc. Anyway, Howard got the job and Brown became the backup. Once Julian Sayin arrived there was nothing left for Brown. Again, Sayin got paid to come as well.
Anyway, Devin Brown has all the tools to win. He's got more skills than Mendoza, and he's tougher. He can run, he can pass, he's a great teammate, and he wears Sammy Baugh's number. What's not to like? He was a 4-5 Star recruit, no different from JKS. And NO ONE should want JKS to start this year. After all, if he did well as a Freshman? B'bye. Cal isn't going to pay him. You already know he's fickle.
Best case Scenario is Devin has an amazing season, or two, and JKS is willing to wait. He's probably not. But regardless, I'm all in on this kid and will be attending more games.
He has the goods to be the starting QB of the national champion. That's all that needs to be said.
"More skills" than Mendoza is a big statement, because there is a chance that Brown will have better tools around him than Mendoza ever had, starting with coaching, and ending with the O-line...so, exciting.
I think the JKS comments (not just you) are over the top-the starting QB at Oregon was going to be a redshirt freshman...that's way different than sitting behind an upperclassmen. Especially in the portal era, starting as a true freshman is tough, and there isn't an obvious P4 program that he was going to start for...but I say that not knowing how he adapts to the college game. I don't care which one starts, especially if there ends up being minimal or zero drop off from Mendoza.
I'm totally fine with you being a huge Devin Brown fan but I think it's silly to say that no one should hope JKS starts or to accuse him of being fickle when we know the circumstances around his incredibly short stopover at Oregon are unique to say the least (and wasn't about NIL).DoctorRocks0 said:
And NO ONE should want JKS to start this year. After all, if he did well as a Freshman? B'bye. Cal isn't going to pay him. You already know he's fickle.
Best case Scenario is Devin has an amazing season, or two, and JKS is willing to wait. He's probably not.
The best QB should get the job. Period.
StillNoStanfurdium said:I'm totally fine with you being a huge Devin Brown fan but I think it's silly to say that no one should hope JKS starts or to accuse him of being fickle when we know the circumstances around his incredibly short stopover at Oregon are unique to say the least (and wasn't about NIL).DoctorRocks0 said:
And NO ONE should want JKS to start this year. After all, if he did well as a Freshman? B'bye. Cal isn't going to pay him. You already know he's fickle.
Best case Scenario is Devin has an amazing season, or two, and JKS is willing to wait. He's probably not.
The best QB should get the job. Period.
They both could end up getting drafted. Would be amazing. Continuing the bear legacy
StillNoStanfurdium said:I'm totally fine with you being a huge Devin Brown fan but I think it's silly to say that no one should hope JKS starts or to accuse him of being fickle when we know the circumstances around his incredibly short stopover at Oregon are unique to say the least (and wasn't about NIL).DoctorRocks0 said:
And NO ONE should want JKS to start this year. After all, if he did well as a Freshman? B'bye. Cal isn't going to pay him. You already know he's fickle.
Best case Scenario is Devin has an amazing season, or two, and JKS is willing to wait. He's probably not.
The best QB should get the job. Period.
Absolutely. Sagapolutele had been extremely loyal to Cal throughout his recruitment staying with Cal despite big name programs coming after him until that fateful day of sabotage by Mendoza, but he corrected that. I am a huge Sagapolutele fan and would love it if he wins the competition, but I am now a Brown fan too and want the best QB to start so if Brown wins the competition then I will root for him 100%. As former Cal assistant coach Bill Walsh once said "The two most important positions on a football team are your starting quarterback and your backup quarterback."
Tbh I think too much fuss is made over JKS and the supposed "loyalty" issue and, if I'm being real, idk how much Mendoza's call really impacted his decision anyway. You've gotta remember that after his visit he cancelled his official to Georgia, he was clearly in on Cal from the beginning. I'm sure the Mendoza call didn't help the situation but when NSD rolled around we didn't even have an offensive staff in place so he had no idea what offense or system he'd be playing in and had to make a decision. I really think that was the big factor. Then he went up to nikeU for a couple weeks and we got a new staff in place and he transferred back.
I've also seen the "he was afraid of competition at nikeU" narrative as well as "he just took the paycheck for a bigger NIL deal" and neither one of those makes sense either. He had a bigger NIL offer from us initially so if it was just the money he would've stayed. And he knew the QB situation at nikeU and knew we were bringing in Brown and was ready to compete regardless.
So when some fans say that we should just start JKS no matter what in case he decides to transfer again I think it's ridiculous. Whoever wins the job deserves it and it seems like both of them are ready for that. I would argue that nikeU has a case that JKS was never loyal to them but we should have no worries since he was always looking to come here anyway. Maybe he ends up transferring down the line because that's just the era we're in but I don't think it should factor into anyone's decision making about who to start
I've also seen the "he was afraid of competition at nikeU" narrative as well as "he just took the paycheck for a bigger NIL deal" and neither one of those makes sense either. He had a bigger NIL offer from us initially so if it was just the money he would've stayed. And he knew the QB situation at nikeU and knew we were bringing in Brown and was ready to compete regardless.
So when some fans say that we should just start JKS no matter what in case he decides to transfer again I think it's ridiculous. Whoever wins the job deserves it and it seems like both of them are ready for that. I would argue that nikeU has a case that JKS was never loyal to them but we should have no worries since he was always looking to come here anyway. Maybe he ends up transferring down the line because that's just the era we're in but I don't think it should factor into anyone's decision making about who to start
Well, on paper it seemed easier to beat out Dante Moore (sucked his freshman year) in an open competition than to beat out a solid, entrenched two year starter in Mendoza. After Mendoza left and JKS saw the room at Oregon, the situation became a bit different. Oregon guys are saying their coaching staff is all-on on Moore, who apparently looks great in practice and is only a sophomore. If Moore is great in games, JKS sits for 2 years until Moore declares for the NFL. If Moore is merely solid, JKS sits for 3 until Moore runs out of eligibility. Brown only has one year of eligibility, and he and JKS are on equal footing as both are newcomers to the program.Bearly Clad said:
And he knew the QB situation at nikeU and knew we were bringing in Brown and was ready to compete regardless.
"Brown only has one year of eligibility."
He should be told.
He should be told.
McCord always had the skills; not the stomach. You could see it in his eyes. Maybe another year at Ohio State and he performs better, but he was terrible when it mattered most. The bright lights of Syracuse are very different.mbBear said:
Maybe McCord grew as a person and a QB once he got to Cuse, but after seeing McCord vs. Cal last year, if Brown is "better," then that's pretty big....
"More skills" than Mendoza is a big statement, because there is a chance that Brown will have better tools around him than Mendoza ever had, starting with coaching, and ending with the O-line...so, exciting.
I think the JKS comments (not just you) are over the top-the starting QB at Oregon was going to be a redshirt freshman...that's way different than sitting behind an upperclassmen. Especially in the portal era, starting as a true freshman is tough, and there isn't an obvious P4 program that he was going to start for...but I say that not knowing how he adapts to the college game. I don't care which one starts, especially if there ends up being minimal or zero drop off from Mendoza.
He does have more skills than Mendoza. The arm is off the charts, he has great feet, and seemingly good pocket awareness. But...he did get hurt twice, so we'll see if he can stay on the field. He certainly won't fake it...
Oregon told Akili Smith Jr they'd not recruit another QB, and then they brought in Jaron. He still went though. That's why you can't feel TOO confident he'll remain. That said, he shouldn't be in a rush. He must have gotten some money. We shall see!
I'd be shocked if JKS can beat out an upperclassman who in all likelihood would have won the national championship, and is coming from one of the 3 best programs in the country. JKS was a budding 4 star recruit. Not a locked in 5. Some sites had Brown as the #1 QB in the country at one point.
That's great for us. Regardless, I'm sure JKS would rather take his chances in a fresh competition than one where the staff has already been singing praises of a returning QB.Bobodeluxe said:
"Brown only has one year of eligibility."
He should be told.
DoctorRocks0 said:
McCord always had the skills; not the stomach. You could see it in his eyes. Maybe another year at Ohio State and he performs better, but he was terrible when it mattered most. The bright lights of Syracuse are very different.
He does have more skills than Mendoza. The arm is off the charts, he has great feet, and seemingly good pocket awareness. But...he did get hurt twice, so we'll see if he can stay on the field. He certainly won't fake it...
Oregon told Akili Smith Jr they'd not recruit another QB, and then they brought in Jaron. He still went though. That's why you can't feel TOO confident he'll remain. That said, he shouldn't be in a rush. He must have gotten some money. We shall see!
I'd be shocked if JKS can beat out an upperclassman who in all likelihood would have won the national championship, and is coming from one of the 3 best programs in the country. JKS was a budding 4 star recruit. Not a locked in 5. Some sites had Brown as the #1 QB in the country at one point.
All informative, thanks! But, 2 questions:
1. Why do you think he came to Cal (aside from our academic prestige)?; and
2. Do you think he will stay here through his senior year?
I've made a big point elsewhere about having played competitive sports being important for judging athletes' talents. There is no question Devin throws a beautiful spiral, and I'm really happy he's here.
At the same time, may the best man win between Devin and JKS ....
Is that accurate that Brown only has 1 year of eligibility? I would've assumed Brown had at least two more (I say assume because I have no idea for sure how the NCAA rules on these kinds of things nowadays).concernedparent said:Well, on paper it seemed easier to beat out Dante Moore (sucked his freshman year) in an open competition than to beat out a solid, entrenched two year starter in Mendoza. After Mendoza left and JKS saw the room at Oregon, the situation became a bit different. Oregon guys are saying their coaching staff is all-on on Moore, who apparently looks great in practice and is only a sophomore. If Moore is great in games, JKS sits for 2 years until Moore declares for the NFL. If Moore is merely solid, JKS sits for 3 until Moore runs out of eligibility. Brown only has one year of eligibility, and he and JKS are on equal footing as both are newcomers to the program.Bearly Clad said:
And he knew the QB situation at nikeU and knew we were bringing in Brown and was ready to compete regardless.
2022 - Brown enrolls at Ohio State out of high school, has 1 QB stat of a single rush. I believe this counts as a redshirt year for him with that small amount of play as the NCAA rule is that you can play in no more than 4 games. So now he has 4 more years to play in the absence of a medical redshirt.
2023 - Brown plays partially in 5 games until he gets injured in his fifth regular season game against Penn State. He doesn't play again until the post-season against Missouri. I believe he has played in too many games this year to qualify for a medical redshirt.
2024 - Brown plays partially in 6 games and briefly in the CFP.
So he should be, as our own roster page notes, a RS Junior come the 2025 season. That should mean he now has 2 more years of eligibility into the 2026 season unless he ended up qualifying for another year due to a medical redshirt.
DoctorRocks0 said:McCord always had the skills; not the stomach. You could see it in his eyes. Maybe another year at Ohio State and he performs better, but he was terrible when it mattered most. The bright lights of Syracuse are very different.mbBear said:
Maybe McCord grew as a person and a QB once he got to Cuse, but after seeing McCord vs. Cal last year, if Brown is "better," then that's pretty big....
"More skills" than Mendoza is a big statement, because there is a chance that Brown will have better tools around him than Mendoza ever had, starting with coaching, and ending with the O-line...so, exciting.
I think the JKS comments (not just you) are over the top-the starting QB at Oregon was going to be a redshirt freshman...that's way different than sitting behind an upperclassmen. Especially in the portal era, starting as a true freshman is tough, and there isn't an obvious P4 program that he was going to start for...but I say that not knowing how he adapts to the college game. I don't care which one starts, especially if there ends up being minimal or zero drop off from Mendoza.
He does have more skills than Mendoza. The arm is off the charts, he has great feet, and seemingly good pocket awareness. But...he did get hurt twice, so we'll see if he can stay on the field. He certainly won't fake it...
Oregon told Akili Smith Jr they'd not recruit another QB, and then they brought in Jaron. He still went though. That's why you can't feel TOO confident he'll remain. That said, he shouldn't be in a rush. He must have gotten some money. We shall see!
I'd be shocked if JKS can beat out an upperclassman who in all likelihood would have won the national championship, and is coming from one of the 3 best programs in the country. JKS was a budding 4 star recruit. Not a locked in 5. Some sites had Brown as the #1 QB in the country at one point.
Playing for a "top 3 program" is not necessarily a bonus. It is like being Mater Dei's QB.
Sagapolutele broke the Hawaii passing yardage (10,653 yards) and TD records playing for lowly Campbell High in Ewa. Not one of Hawaii's powers with a huge line. He is very adept at avoiding the rush and extending plays.
His senior year he threw for 46 TDs with only 3 Int.
He just has "it." The guy he reminds me of is a young Aaron Rodgers.
IMO he looks better than the guys whose records he broke like Marcus Mariota and Tua Tagivailoa.
I thought he was severely underrated, then Sagapolutele outplayed the more highly rated QBs at Elite 11. If he was not an early Cal commit and was committed to Ohio State or Georgia I am sure the rating services would rated him higher. Especially after his 46 TDs to 3 Int season as a senior. The services are notorious for underrating early Cal commits.
Bottom line is we have two elite QBs competing for the job.
As buckeyes go you're pretty swell.
It's very interesting how went tOSU fan who speaks on the matter loves brown. Slight contrast to a certain guy who transferred out of here a month or so ago.
Well see. At this point I'm mostly just worried about the staff managing egos with potentially 3 starter quality qbs. They... Uh.... Don't have the best track record
It's very interesting how went tOSU fan who speaks on the matter loves brown. Slight contrast to a certain guy who transferred out of here a month or so ago.
Well see. At this point I'm mostly just worried about the staff managing egos with potentially 3 starter quality qbs. They... Uh.... Don't have the best track record
Welcome, DR0! Thank you for sharing. Sounds like there is a lot of respect, if not adoration, for Brown from the Buckeye Nation. Hopefully he can be Cal's Joe Burrow and the Golden Bears can join tOSU at the top of the CFB blue bloods with JKS following Brown's ascent to the NFL! Go Bears!
StillNoStanfurdium said:Is that accurate that Brown only has 1 year of eligibility? I would've assumed Brown had at least two more (I say assume because I have no idea for sure how the NCAA rules on these kinds of things nowadays).concernedparent said:Well, on paper it seemed easier to beat out Dante Moore (sucked his freshman year) in an open competition than to beat out a solid, entrenched two year starter in Mendoza. After Mendoza left and JKS saw the room at Oregon, the situation became a bit different. Oregon guys are saying their coaching staff is all-on on Moore, who apparently looks great in practice and is only a sophomore. If Moore is great in games, JKS sits for 2 years until Moore declares for the NFL. If Moore is merely solid, JKS sits for 3 until Moore runs out of eligibility. Brown only has one year of eligibility, and he and JKS are on equal footing as both are newcomers to the program.Bearly Clad said:
And he knew the QB situation at nikeU and knew we were bringing in Brown and was ready to compete regardless.
2022 - Brown enrolls at Ohio State out of high school, has 1 QB stat of a single rush. I believe this counts as a redshirt year for him with that small amount of play as the NCAA rule is that you can play in no more than 4 games. So now he has 4 more years to play in the absence of a medical redshirt.
2023 - Brown plays partially in 5 games until he gets injured in his fifth regular season game against Penn State. He doesn't play again until the post-season against Missouri. I believe he has played in too many games this year to qualify for a medical redshirt.
2024 - Brown plays partially in 6 games and briefly in the CFP.
So he should be, as our own roster page notes, a RS Junior come the 2025 season. That should mean he now has 2 more years of eligibility into the 2026 season unless he ended up qualifying for another year due to a medical redshirt.
Post-season/ bowl games do not count towards/against eligibility. Not sure about the 5th game of '23 in which he was hurt and missed the rest of the [regular] season, but i do know that he is currently classified as a (RS) Sophomore (RS- Junior now - same as Mendoza).
DoctorRocks0 said:
Maybe he's injury prone or maybe it just lingered? We shall find out. He has had a long time to heal. Has a cannon for an arm. He played a bit against Michigan state when the game was close and made the throw on Jeremiah Smiths fist crazy one hand grab. Worth watching him then to see what he's about.
That's encouraging to hear. The last Cal QB I remember being described as having a cannon arm was Kyle Boller. I think he started games as a freshman and he threw so hard the receivers couldn't catch his passes. Coach Tedford arrived in his senior year and molded him into a first round draft pick. Rodgers and Goff also had strong arms but I don't ever remember them being described as cannons!
bear2034 said:DoctorRocks0 said:
Maybe he's injury prone or maybe it just lingered? We shall find out. He has had a long time to heal. Has a cannon for an arm. He played a bit against Michigan state when the game was close and made the throw on Jeremiah Smiths fist crazy one hand grab. Worth watching him then to see what he's about.
That's encouraging to hear. The last Cal QB I remember being described as having a cannon arm was Kyle Boller. I think he started games as a freshman and he threw so hard the receivers couldn't catch his passes. Coach Tedford arrived in his senior year and molded him into a first round draft pick. Rodgers and Goff also had strong arms but I don't ever remember them being described as cannons!
AR has a Howitzer.
There are ongoing discussions regarding eligibilty among the NCAA and schools. Expect a 5 years to play 5 to be installed if not for 2025 then 2026. This is a move that has a lot of support. The NCAA loses nearly every lawsuit they get served with and hand out waivers like Halloween candy already.Pittstop said:StillNoStanfurdium said:Is that accurate that Brown only has 1 year of eligibility? I would've assumed Brown had at least two more (I say assume because I have no idea for sure how the NCAA rules on these kinds of things nowadays).concernedparent said:Well, on paper it seemed easier to beat out Dante Moore (sucked his freshman year) in an open competition than to beat out a solid, entrenched two year starter in Mendoza. After Mendoza left and JKS saw the room at Oregon, the situation became a bit different. Oregon guys are saying their coaching staff is all-on on Moore, who apparently looks great in practice and is only a sophomore. If Moore is great in games, JKS sits for 2 years until Moore declares for the NFL. If Moore is merely solid, JKS sits for 3 until Moore runs out of eligibility. Brown only has one year of eligibility, and he and JKS are on equal footing as both are newcomers to the program.Bearly Clad said:
And he knew the QB situation at nikeU and knew we were bringing in Brown and was ready to compete regardless.
2022 - Brown enrolls at Ohio State out of high school, has 1 QB stat of a single rush. I believe this counts as a redshirt year for him with that small amount of play as the NCAA rule is that you can play in no more than 4 games. So now he has 4 more years to play in the absence of a medical redshirt.
2023 - Brown plays partially in 5 games until he gets injured in his fifth regular season game against Penn State. He doesn't play again until the post-season against Missouri. I believe he has played in too many games this year to qualify for a medical redshirt.
2024 - Brown plays partially in 6 games and briefly in the CFP.
So he should be, as our own roster page notes, a RS Junior come the 2025 season. That should mean he now has 2 more years of eligibility into the 2026 season unless he ended up qualifying for another year due to a medical redshirt.
Post-season/ bowl games do not count towards/against eligibility. Not sure about the 5th game of '23 in which he was hurt and missed the rest of the [regular] season, but i do know that he is currently classified as a (RS) Sophomore (RS- Junior now - same as Mendoza).
Get rid of the redshirt which has been abused by every single program in the country. And make the medical exemption really strict. Likely need very strong medical evidence to get a waiver.
Boller is probably in his own league, but Rodgers definitely had a cannon too. Zach Kline was up there as well.bear2034 said:DoctorRocks0 said:
Maybe he's injury prone or maybe it just lingered? We shall find out. He has had a long time to heal. Has a cannon for an arm. He played a bit against Michigan state when the game was close and made the throw on Jeremiah Smiths fist crazy one hand grab. Worth watching him then to see what he's about.
That's encouraging to hear. The last Cal QB I remember being described as having a cannon arm was Kyle Boller. I think he started games as a freshman and he threw so hard the receivers couldn't catch his passes. Coach Tedford arrived in his senior year and molded him into a first round draft pick. Rodgers and Goff also had strong arms but I don't ever remember them being described as cannons!
I don't know have that much information X, Y or Z, but here are my thoughts.
1) I happen to have a knack for judging talent. I played sports at a relatively high level, and one of the things I do kinda well is assess good/bad. It still kills me that the first time I saw Burrow I saw a superstar, and Urban Meyer chose Haskins. Kills me. I also don't believe CJ Stroud is that great, and never have. I know, I know. We'll see. I'm speaking in relative terms - not college. But even in college I felt Stroud lacked something you can't teach.
2) Hawaii football is not high level. There's a reason Jaron was a 3 star. He clearly has athletic ability. He was the biggest and fastest player on the field. Not the case for Tua. Nevertheless, the kid can clearly perform. Comparisons to Rodgers don't make sense to me. He delivers with a hitch, often back footed, sometimes multiple pumps. When he does throw it seems to be a nice ball but highlights only show you good plays. I think he's more akin to Cam Ward throwing wise. Which would be fantastic.
3) Brown has two years remaining.
4) Other than to say Cal is one of the Top 3 public schools in America, that it's beautiful, that Brown is a West Coast Kid, that the ACC has horrible defenses, that opportunity was available and that he likely gets along with coaches and teammates, I have zero insight into why Cal.
5) Brown didn't just play at Ohio State - he was going to be the Quarterback. Injuries derailed this. Kyle McCord was getting pulled. They had packages for Brown. It was apparent. That's not like playing at Mater Dei.
1) I happen to have a knack for judging talent. I played sports at a relatively high level, and one of the things I do kinda well is assess good/bad. It still kills me that the first time I saw Burrow I saw a superstar, and Urban Meyer chose Haskins. Kills me. I also don't believe CJ Stroud is that great, and never have. I know, I know. We'll see. I'm speaking in relative terms - not college. But even in college I felt Stroud lacked something you can't teach.
2) Hawaii football is not high level. There's a reason Jaron was a 3 star. He clearly has athletic ability. He was the biggest and fastest player on the field. Not the case for Tua. Nevertheless, the kid can clearly perform. Comparisons to Rodgers don't make sense to me. He delivers with a hitch, often back footed, sometimes multiple pumps. When he does throw it seems to be a nice ball but highlights only show you good plays. I think he's more akin to Cam Ward throwing wise. Which would be fantastic.
3) Brown has two years remaining.
4) Other than to say Cal is one of the Top 3 public schools in America, that it's beautiful, that Brown is a West Coast Kid, that the ACC has horrible defenses, that opportunity was available and that he likely gets along with coaches and teammates, I have zero insight into why Cal.
5) Brown didn't just play at Ohio State - he was going to be the Quarterback. Injuries derailed this. Kyle McCord was getting pulled. They had packages for Brown. It was apparent. That's not like playing at Mater Dei.
Top 3 public school?
Jaron is a later bloomer became a 4/5 star as soon as he was properly evaluated, including against guys who've had press clippings since they were 14. He played the same competition as Tua except with far worse teammates. His rating is a result of his big arm and accuracy under pressure. He's a pedestrian athlete and not imposing in stature; Tua was much more of a mobile threat. As you note his mechanics are pretty raw and I'm unsure about his ability to read a defense, but he's not some random 3 star who only impresses by being big and fast.DoctorRocks0 said:
2) Hawaii football is not high level. There's a reason Jaron was a 3 star. He clearly has athletic ability. He was the biggest and fastest player on the field. Not the case for Tua. Nevertheless, the kid can clearly perform. Comparisons to Rodgers don't make sense to me. He delivers with a hitch, often back footed, sometimes multiple pumps. When he does throw it seems to be a nice ball but highlights only show you good plays. I think he's more akin to Cam Ward throwing wise. Which would be fantastic.
Devin Brown should feel good coming in about winning the competition, but he will feel the heat behind him fast if Jaron continues his growth trajectory.
Bear legacy? Lose them both at the same time would be continuing Bear mediocrity.bearsandgiants said:StillNoStanfurdium said:I'm totally fine with you being a huge Devin Brown fan but I think it's silly to say that no one should hope JKS starts or to accuse him of being fickle when we know the circumstances around his incredibly short stopover at Oregon are unique to say the least (and wasn't about NIL).DoctorRocks0 said:
And NO ONE should want JKS to start this year. After all, if he did well as a Freshman? B'bye. Cal isn't going to pay him. You already know he's fickle.
Best case Scenario is Devin has an amazing season, or two, and JKS is willing to wait. He's probably not.
The best QB should get the job. Period.
They both could end up getting drafted. Would be amazing. Continuing the bear legacy
OsoDorado said:DoctorRocks0 said:
McCord always had the skills; not the stomach. You could see it in his eyes. Maybe another year at Ohio State and he performs better, but he was terrible when it mattered most. The bright lights of Syracuse are very different.
He does have more skills than Mendoza. The arm is off the charts, he has great feet, and seemingly good pocket awareness. But...he did get hurt twice, so we'll see if he can stay on the field. He certainly won't fake it...
Oregon told Akili Smith Jr they'd not recruit another QB, and then they brought in Jaron. He still went though. That's why you can't feel TOO confident he'll remain. That said, he shouldn't be in a rush. He must have gotten some money. We shall see!
I'd be shocked if JKS can beat out an upperclassman who in all likelihood would have won the national championship, and is coming from one of the 3 best programs in the country. JKS was a budding 4 star recruit. Not a locked in 5. Some sites had Brown as the #1 QB in the country at one point.
All informative, thanks! But, 2 questions:
1. Why do you think he came to Cal (aside from our academic prestige)?; and
2. Do you think he will stay here through his senior year?
I've made a big point elsewhere about having played competitive sports being important for judging athletes' talents. There is no question Devin throws a beautiful spiral, and I'm really happy he's here.
At the same time, may the best man win between Devin and JKS ....
My two cents:
Best case for Cal is
Brown has great 2025 and goes to the Pros after getting Cal to Playoffs at the end of 2025 season.
JKS is next in line for the starting job and starts at Cal for at least two years breaking every record for QB's including getting into championship game.
(I can dream can't I. )
At the end of that run Wilcox gets a 10-year extension on his contract. (Good result? Or Bad result?)
Bad acid.GivemTheAxe said:OsoDorado said:DoctorRocks0 said:
McCord always had the skills; not the stomach. You could see it in his eyes. Maybe another year at Ohio State and he performs better, but he was terrible when it mattered most. The bright lights of Syracuse are very different.
He does have more skills than Mendoza. The arm is off the charts, he has great feet, and seemingly good pocket awareness. But...he did get hurt twice, so we'll see if he can stay on the field. He certainly won't fake it...
Oregon told Akili Smith Jr they'd not recruit another QB, and then they brought in Jaron. He still went though. That's why you can't feel TOO confident he'll remain. That said, he shouldn't be in a rush. He must have gotten some money. We shall see!
I'd be shocked if JKS can beat out an upperclassman who in all likelihood would have won the national championship, and is coming from one of the 3 best programs in the country. JKS was a budding 4 star recruit. Not a locked in 5. Some sites had Brown as the #1 QB in the country at one point.
All informative, thanks! But, 2 questions:
1. Why do you think he came to Cal (aside from our academic prestige)?; and
2. Do you think he will stay here through his senior year?
I've made a big point elsewhere about having played competitive sports being important for judging athletes' talents. There is no question Devin throws a beautiful spiral, and I'm really happy he's here.
At the same time, may the best man win between Devin and JKS ....
My two cents:
Best case for Cal is
Brown has great 2025 and goes to the Pros after getting Cal to Playoffs at the end of 2025 season.
JKS is next in line for the starting job and starts at Cal for at least two years breaking every record for QB's including getting into championship game.
(I can dream can't I. )
At the end of that run Wilcox gets a 10-year extension on his contract. (Good result? Or Bad result?)
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