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philly1121 said:

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I don't know what Rivera does or what he even would do but, Wilcox likely finishes the season out and then Harsin takes over. It is written.in.the.stars.

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We are not Florida that can ride it out the rest of the year and then have top candidates to select from, we are fighting for our lives and need to make changes now or JKS and others will be looking elsewhere

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Strykur, you and many others have been saying this for the past 4 years. What makes this season any different? What makes firing Wilcox so critical now as opposed to years past? The Pac12 imploded; the ACC lifelined us and Stanford for ballast. Nothing more. Admin is content to keep us in a Big 4 league to placate the alum who still think we can compete on a national level. This game, and others like it, clearly shows that we cannot.

As for the portal - man that is just a fact of life. A business process. JKS would be thinking about bouncing if we were 10-0.

Is someone going to cover the $9 million plus we would owe if we fired Wilcox now? I mean, really?

As for fighting for our lives. What are we fighting for exactly? Mid ACC? A bowl game at 5-6? National relevancy? I'm struggling to see how that fight is still a thing.

Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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I don't know what Rivera does or what he even would do but, Wilcox likely finishes the season out and then Harsin takes over. It is written.in.the.stars.

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We are not Florida that can ride it out the rest of the year and then have top candidates to select from, we are fighting for our lives and need to make changes now or JKS and others will be looking elsewhere

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Strykur, you and many others have been saying this for the past 4 years. What makes this season any different? What makes firing Wilcox so critical now as opposed to years past? The Pac12 imploded; the ACC lifelined us and Stanford for ballast. Nothing more. Admin is content to keep us in a Big 4 league to placate the alum who still think we can compete on a national level. This game, and others like it, clearly shows that we cannot.

As for the portal - man that is just a fact of life. A business process. JKS would be thinking about bouncing if we were 10-0.

Is someone going to cover the $9 million plus we would owe if we fired Wilcox now? I mean, really?

As for fighting for our lives. What are we fighting for exactly? Mid ACC? A bowl game at 5-6? National relevancy? I'm struggling to see how that fight is still a thing.

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The Big Ten media deal is up in 2030 and at that point the launch of the super league is likely which will reshape the whole sport in perpetuity and unless we want to be relegated with the likes of Oregon State and Washington State we need to stabilize this thing or we will be handed our hat

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Oh man if I have to hear this reasoning again I'm going to fall over. We are not going to be part of that conversation Strykur. We are not going to be in this Champions League of football. And speaking of Oregon State and Washington State as the old wives tale. "Take football seriously or you'll end up like the Beav's and Wazoo". There are going to be plenty of solid teams across the nation that are not going to be part of any Super League.

philly1121 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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I don't know what Rivera does or what he even would do but, Wilcox likely finishes the season out and then Harsin takes over. It is written.in.the.stars.

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We are not Florida that can ride it out the rest of the year and then have top candidates to select from, we are fighting for our lives and need to make changes now or JKS and others will be looking elsewhere

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Strykur, you and many others have been saying this for the past 4 years. What makes this season any different? What makes firing Wilcox so critical now as opposed to years past? The Pac12 imploded; the ACC lifelined us and Stanford for ballast. Nothing more. Admin is content to keep us in a Big 4 league to placate the alum who still think we can compete on a national level. This game, and others like it, clearly shows that we cannot.

As for the portal - man that is just a fact of life. A business process. JKS would be thinking about bouncing if we were 10-0.

Is someone going to cover the $9 million plus we would owe if we fired Wilcox now? I mean, really?

As for fighting for our lives. What are we fighting for exactly? Mid ACC? A bowl game at 5-6? National relevancy? I'm struggling to see how that fight is still a thing.

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Realignment is likely coming in 2029-30 when the B1G grant of rights expires and the conference decides whether to create a Power 2 conference with the SEC. If it does, Cal will probably be locked out, unless its football program starts winning and attracting eyeballs and respectable TV ratings.

Along those lines, last year and this year were/are Cal's softest schedule in years (ever?). Cal needed to take advantage of that and win, as the next couple years are likely to be really tough. If Cal could've been a conference championship contender last year and this year, it would've drawn some eyeballs and helped Cal make a case to be included in the potential Power 2 conference.

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Is Wilsux's buyout this year $13 million or $17 million?

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/wilcox-contract-details

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Whose ****ing cares, shoot first ask questions later, the bear runts in Westwood are giving us $30 million over the next 3 years so it's paid for

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I wasn't asking as a way to imply Cal should keep Wilsux. I just want to know how badly Joke Knownothing screwed Cal.

I'm wondering if there will turn out to be a story behind this that comes out. There's a real disconnect between games 1 to 3 and game 4.

Golden One said:

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philly1121 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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I don't know what Rivera does or what he even would do but, Wilcox likely finishes the season out and then Harsin takes over. It is written.in.the.stars.

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We are not Florida that can ride it out the rest of the year and then have top candidates to select from, we are fighting for our lives and need to make changes now or JKS and others will be looking elsewhere

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Strykur, you and many others have been saying this for the past 4 years. What makes this season any different? What makes firing Wilcox so critical now as opposed to years past? The Pac12 imploded; the ACC lifelined us and Stanford for ballast. Nothing more. Admin is content to keep us in a Big 4 league to placate the alum who still think we can compete on a national level. This game, and others like it, clearly shows that we cannot.

As for the portal - man that is just a fact of life. A business process. JKS would be thinking about bouncing if we were 10-0.

Is someone going to cover the $9 million plus we would owe if we fired Wilcox now? I mean, really?

As for fighting for our lives. What are we fighting for exactly? Mid ACC? A bowl game at 5-6? National relevancy? I'm struggling to see how that fight is still a thing.

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The Big Ten media deal is up in 2030 and at that point the launch of the super league is likely which will reshape the whole sport in perpetuity and unless we want to be relegated with the likes of Oregon State and Washington State we need to stabilize this thing or we will be handed our hat

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Oh man if I have to hear this reasoning again I'm going to fall over. We are not going to be part of that conversation Strykur. We are not going to be in this Champions League of football. And speaking of Oregon State and Washington State as the old wives tale. "Take football seriously or you'll end up like the Beav's and Wazoo". There are going to be plenty of solid teams across the nation that are not going to be part of any Super League.

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Exactly! We have clearly demonstrated that we don't deserve to be in a Super League, because we're not dedicated to football success. Tonight was just another nail in our coffin. Hell, we don't appear to even deserve to be in the same league as SDSU.

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If that's the case then why keep hanging around the ACC, you want us to quit the Power 4 and play games in Corvallis and Fresno permanently, please enlighten us with what you really want out of this thing

Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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I don't know what Rivera does or what he even would do but, Wilcox likely finishes the season out and then Harsin takes over. It is written.in.the.stars.

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We are not Florida that can ride it out the rest of the year and then have top candidates to select from, we are fighting for our lives and need to make changes now or JKS and others will be looking elsewhere

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Strykur, you and many others have been saying this for the past 4 years. What makes this season any different? What makes firing Wilcox so critical now as opposed to years past? The Pac12 imploded; the ACC lifelined us and Stanford for ballast. Nothing more. Admin is content to keep us in a Big 4 league to placate the alum who still think we can compete on a national level. This game, and others like it, clearly shows that we cannot.

As for the portal - man that is just a fact of life. A business process. JKS would be thinking about bouncing if we were 10-0.

Is someone going to cover the $9 million plus we would owe if we fired Wilcox now? I mean, really?

As for fighting for our lives. What are we fighting for exactly? Mid ACC? A bowl game at 5-6? National relevancy? I'm struggling to see how that fight is still a thing.

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The Big Ten media deal is up in 2030 and at that point the launch of the super league is likely which will reshape the whole sport in perpetuity and unless we want to be relegated with the likes of Oregon State and Washington State we need to stabilize this thing or we will be handed our hat

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Sort of true.

Some "unworthy" (I e. Not consistent top 25) teams will make it to the new super league based on media market size. Northwestern, Vandy (having a great start BTW), Rutgers, and BC are all likely in because of eyeballs. Other teams that have been pretty good (Iowa, Iowa State) might not make it for the opposite reason.

It's unclear also how much more appetite there is for more change. I talk to Nebraska fans who want to go back in time to the old Big 8 (and prop 48, no doubt). I think before we see NCAA premiere league, we will see an expanded playoff.

But yes, we may someday see a super league of SEC and B1G and a secondary league of ACC and Big 12. Where new PAC fits in remains to be seen. I think they will still be on the G5 outside-looking-in on most playoff berths.

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SoFlaBear said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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I don't know what Rivera does or what he even would do but, Wilcox likely finishes the season out and then Harsin takes over. It is written.in.the.stars.

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We are not Florida that can ride it out the rest of the year and then have top candidates to select from, we are fighting for our lives and need to make changes now or JKS and others will be looking elsewhere

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Strykur, you and many others have been saying this for the past 4 years. What makes this season any different? What makes firing Wilcox so critical now as opposed to years past? The Pac12 imploded; the ACC lifelined us and Stanford for ballast. Nothing more. Admin is content to keep us in a Big 4 league to placate the alum who still think we can compete on a national level. This game, and others like it, clearly shows that we cannot.

As for the portal - man that is just a fact of life. A business process. JKS would be thinking about bouncing if we were 10-0.

Is someone going to cover the $9 million plus we would owe if we fired Wilcox now? I mean, really?

As for fighting for our lives. What are we fighting for exactly? Mid ACC? A bowl game at 5-6? National relevancy? I'm struggling to see how that fight is still a thing.

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The Big Ten media deal is up in 2030 and at that point the launch of the super league is likely which will reshape the whole sport in perpetuity and unless we want to be relegated with the likes of Oregon State and Washington State we need to stabilize this thing or we will be handed our hat

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Some "unworthy" (I e. Not consistent top 25) teams will make it to the new super league based on media market size. Northwestern, Vandy (having a great start BTW), Rutgers, and BC are all likely in because of eyeballs. Other teams that have been pretty good (Iowa, Iowa State) might not make it for the opposite reason.

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The San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose market is #10 in the country and if we played competent ball it would be a no-brainer, but then we have games like tonight

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An old discussion. There is no reason Cal cannot compete in Football. Public school academic peers such as Michigan, UCLA, Minnesota, and Wisconsin have all had success in football (and basketball). And if anything, today's college athletes are more interested in obtaining an education because a generation of athletes who went broke have drilled into them a message of have a plan for after that career ends.

We rebuilt the stadium. We installed lights. We built better training facilities. And while the memory is fading, we've had success -- Bruce Snyder and Jeff Tedford (and Mooch stopped by for a cup of coffee). We are now on TV a lot as a result. We get seen.

I won't weigh in on the current coach amidst a 3-1 season, but I'll say Cal generally takes the bait. What do I mean? A new coach comes in after a couple of bad seasons, and puts together a nice 6-8 win season; gets us to a bowl week game; and then rumors swirl that the wunderkind is being courted by Oregon, USC, the NFL. So what does Cal do every time? It gives an overly generous contract with a stupidly high buyout. Cal needs to go with low-base and generous incentives tied to achievable goals and ridiculous incentives tied to ridiculous goals. Charlie Munger tells us we get what we incentivize. Right now, we incentivize sitting on your ass after early success. Again, JMHO.

Edited to add: I also favor offering the higher of the MBB HC or Football HC salary to any Nobel winner willing to come teach here. Again, JMHO.

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Yeah, this was about the worst I have seen, and I have seen a lot...

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Worst since Holmoe I'm thinking.

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SoFlaBear said:

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sonofabear51 said:

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Yeah, this was about the worst I have seen, and I have seen a lot...

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Worst since Holmoe I'm thinking.

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Given the opponent tonight eclipses all of Holmoe's losses, even the blowouts in 2001 were usually to very good to decent teams, going farther back in 1994 we lost to SC 61-0 but they finished in the Top 15 and in 2019 we lost at Utah 35-0 but we did not have Garbers back yet and Utah won the PAC-12 that year, tonight was the worst loss in at least the last 30 years

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Since Holmoe was just about 30 years ago, we are about on the same page. In the Kapp era, we had a couple of bad losses to SJSU, but neither was a shutout. Those were obviously > 30 years ago, as I have to keep reminding myself.

SoFlaBear said:

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Strykur said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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sonofabear51 said:

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Yeah, this was about the worst I have seen, and I have seen a lot...

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Worst since Holmoe I'm thinking.

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Given the opponent tonight eclipses all of Holmoe's losses, even the blowouts in 2001 were usually to very good to decent teams, going farther back in 1994 we lost to SC 61-0 but they finished in the Top 15 and in 2019 we lost at Utah 35-0 but we did not have Garbers back yet and Utah won the PAC-12 that year, tonight was the worst loss in at least the last 30 years

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Since Holmoe was just about 30 years ago, we are about on the same page. In the Kapp era, we had a couple of bad losses to SJSU, but neither was a shutout. Those were obviously > 30 years ago, as I have to keep reminding myself.

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Holmoe wasn't 30 years ago, his last year was 2001, which was only 24 years ago. I should remember, as I was a freshman during the first year of the Holmoecaust and I graduated in the spring of his penultimate year. Saying he was 30 years ago unnecessarily ages me!

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Golden One said:

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philly1121 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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I don't know what Rivera does or what he even would do but, Wilcox likely finishes the season out and then Harsin takes over. It is written.in.the.stars.

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We are not Florida that can ride it out the rest of the year and then have top candidates to select from, we are fighting for our lives and need to make changes now or JKS and others will be looking elsewhere

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Strykur, you and many others have been saying this for the past 4 years. What makes this season any different? What makes firing Wilcox so critical now as opposed to years past? The Pac12 imploded; the ACC lifelined us and Stanford for ballast. Nothing more. Admin is content to keep us in a Big 4 league to placate the alum who still think we can compete on a national level. This game, and others like it, clearly shows that we cannot.

As for the portal - man that is just a fact of life. A business process. JKS would be thinking about bouncing if we were 10-0.

Is someone going to cover the $9 million plus we would owe if we fired Wilcox now? I mean, really?

As for fighting for our lives. What are we fighting for exactly? Mid ACC? A bowl game at 5-6? National relevancy? I'm struggling to see how that fight is still a thing.

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The Big Ten media deal is up in 2030 and at that point the launch of the super league is likely which will reshape the whole sport in perpetuity and unless we want to be relegated with the likes of Oregon State and Washington State we need to stabilize this thing or we will be handed our hat

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Oh man if I have to hear this reasoning again I'm going to fall over. We are not going to be part of that conversation Strykur. We are not going to be in this Champions League of football. And speaking of Oregon State and Washington State as the old wives tale. "Take football seriously or you'll end up like the Beav's and Wazoo". There are going to be plenty of solid teams across the nation that are not going to be part of any Super League.

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Exactly! We have clearly demonstrated that we don't deserve to be in a Super League, because we're not dedicated to football success. Tonight was just another nail in our coffin. Hell, we don't appear to even deserve to be in the same league as SDSU.

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If that's the case then why keep hanging around the ACC, you want us to quit the Power 4 and play games in Corvallis and Fresno permanently, please enlighten us with what you really want out of this thing

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Well, the ACC invited us. So we went to keep our Power 4 dreams alive. Its not a question of us quitting. The decision will be made for us by not getting an invite. Many posters on this board are always writing, "we're gonna miss out", "if we just had one good season, we would get a look". But that's not really true. If Wilcox were to be fired after the BC game, Harsin takes over. And then we go even to finish it out with a toilet bowl game as a reward. Then what? We don't have the street cred, the promotion, the rizz to attract talent that will stay. And for us, it will take time.

But do you really think that Iowa, Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue will get an invite to join the Super League? Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vandy? Baylor, OK State? I mean, come on. These are decent schools that are not in Corvalis or Fresno. My question to you would be - how exactly do you think we are going to get to Super League level to earn/deserve an invite to the big show within 4 years?

~ Woofing gods 'exercised', severely rattled, displeased . . .

https://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/index.nsf/Documents/0-oliver-faq

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Strykur said:

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Golden One said:

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philly1121 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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I don't know what Rivera does or what he even would do but, Wilcox likely finishes the season out and then Harsin takes over. It is written.in.the.stars.

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We are not Florida that can ride it out the rest of the year and then have top candidates to select from, we are fighting for our lives and need to make changes now or JKS and others will be looking elsewhere

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Strykur, you and many others have been saying this for the past 4 years. What makes this season any different? What makes firing Wilcox so critical now as opposed to years past? The Pac12 imploded; the ACC lifelined us and Stanford for ballast. Nothing more. Admin is content to keep us in a Big 4 league to placate the alum who still think we can compete on a national level. This game, and others like it, clearly shows that we cannot.

As for the portal - man that is just a fact of life. A business process. JKS would be thinking about bouncing if we were 10-0.

Is someone going to cover the $9 million plus we would owe if we fired Wilcox now? I mean, really?

As for fighting for our lives. What are we fighting for exactly? Mid ACC? A bowl game at 5-6? National relevancy? I'm struggling to see how that fight is still a thing.

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The Big Ten media deal is up in 2030 and at that point the launch of the super league is likely which will reshape the whole sport in perpetuity and unless we want to be relegated with the likes of Oregon State and Washington State we need to stabilize this thing or we will be handed our hat

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Oh man if I have to hear this reasoning again I'm going to fall over. We are not going to be part of that conversation Strykur. We are not going to be in this Champions League of football. And speaking of Oregon State and Washington State as the old wives tale. "Take football seriously or you'll end up like the Beav's and Wazoo". There are going to be plenty of solid teams across the nation that are not going to be part of any Super League.

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Exactly! We have clearly demonstrated that we don't deserve to be in a Super League, because we're not dedicated to football success. Tonight was just another nail in our coffin. Hell, we don't appear to even deserve to be in the same league as SDSU.

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If that's the case then why keep hanging around the ACC, you want us to quit the Power 4 and play games in Corvallis and Fresno permanently, please enlighten us with what you really want out of this thing

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Well, the ACC invited us. So we went to keep our Power 4 dreams alive. Its not a question of us quitting. The decision will be made for us by not getting an invite. Many posters on this board are always writing, "we're gonna miss out", "if we just had one good season, we would get a look". But that's not really true. If Wilcox were to be fired after the BC game, Harsin takes over. And then we go even to finish it out with a toilet bowl game as a reward. Then what? We don't have the street cred, the promotion, the rizz to attract talent that will stay. And for us, it will take time.

But do you really think that Iowa, Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue will get an invite to join the Super League? Arkansas, Ole Miss, Vandy? Baylor, OK State? I mean, come on. These are decent schools that are not in Corvalis or Fresno. My question to you would be - how exactly do you think we are going to get to Super League level to earn/deserve an invite to the big show within 4 years?

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The issue isn't officially quitting. The issue is that Cal has been quiet quitting for most of the last several decades. Those that keep talking about not "quitting" focus on what we "can be" in some fantasy world where Cal stops being Cal. We do not as a university, as an alumni base, or even as a student base, put the resources into football that teams in what will be the power conferences do. We never have. A quick comparison of operating expenses shows that in spades. I don't advocate for "quitting" or dropping down a conference. I advocate for matching the resources you are willing to expend with the conference you play in. That either means dropping out of the Power 2 conversation to play with teams that dedicate the same resources you do now OR increasing the commitment to match the Power 2 dynamic. Doing what we are doing leads to an athletic department that loses $60M a year with limited success to show for it.

The university is already putting in as much money as it can on this. It's failure is frankly effort. In terms of money, the students need to decide whether it is worth paying an additional fee on their tuition payment as many schools do to raise money to support the program. The Alums need to decide to support the program as much as other programs do. If they do not do that, they are voting with their dollars for the program they want. (which is fine, by the way) In fairness, the university demonstrating that they will put in the effort to make those dollars work is probably a precursor for some to donating. Ron is a good step, but for many there has to be a more tangible step than just hiring a face for the program. That is why the messaging when bringing in Ron was so damaging.

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SoFlaBear said:

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sonofabear51 said:

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Yeah, this was about the worst I have seen, and I have seen a lot...

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Worst since Holmoe I'm thinking.

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Given the opponent tonight eclipses all of Holmoe's losses, even the blowouts in 2001 were usually to very good to decent teams, going farther back in 1994 we lost to SC 61-0 but they finished in the Top 15 and in 2019 we lost at Utah 35-0 but we did not have Garbers back yet and Utah won the PAC-12 that year, tonight was the worst loss in at least the last 30 years

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Since Holmoe was just about 30 years ago, we are about on the same page. In the Kapp era, we had a couple of bad losses to SJSU, but neither was a shutout. Those were obviously > 30 years ago, as I have to keep reminding myself.

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Holmoe wasn't 30 years ago, his last year was 2001, which was only 24 years ago. I should remember, as I was a freshman during the first year of the Holmoecaust and I graduated in the spring of his penultimate year. Saying he was 30 years ago unnecessarily ages me!

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His first year was 1997, which is 28 years ago, which is "..just about 30." Bruce Snyder had just started coaching when I graduated. Following Cal sports, generally, has unnecessarily aged me.

BC has a bye before us next week. Our coaches need to burn the midnight oil and burn in some solid adjustments.

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SoFlaBear said:

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sonofabear51 said:

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Yeah, this was about the worst I have seen, and I have seen a lot...

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Worst since Holmoe I'm thinking.

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Given the opponent tonight eclipses all of Holmoe's losses, even the blowouts in 2001 were usually to very good to decent teams, going farther back in 1994 we lost to SC 61-0 but they finished in the Top 15 and in 2019 we lost at Utah 35-0 but we did not have Garbers back yet and Utah won the PAC-12 that year, tonight was the worst loss in at least the last 30 years

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Since Holmoe was just about 30 years ago, we are about on the same page. In the Kapp era, we had a couple of bad losses to SJSU, but neither was a shutout. Those were obviously > 30 years ago, as I have to keep reminding myself.

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Holmoe wasn't 30 years ago, his last year was 2001, which was only 24 years ago. I should remember, as I was a freshman during the first year of the Holmoecaust and I graduated in the spring of his penultimate year. Saying he was 30 years ago unnecessarily ages me!

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His first year was 1997, which is 28 years ago, which is "..just about 30." Bruce Snyder had just started coaching when I graduated. Following Cal sports, generally, has unnecessarily aged me.

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Aww, man, why'd you have to go and remind me? That means my high school 30th reunion is two years away! I can't believe it's already been 30 years since I graduated high school and matriculated at Cal. I still remember the sense of disbelief I felt when I first moved in to the dorms. Cal definitely gave me some cherished memories. Of course, those memories really didn't extend to the football program until after I graduated.