Strykur said:Trumpanzee said:
Stayed in the locker room.
Defense was still in the locker room at kickoff but came out after halftime
Apparently, the locker room is only big enough for half the team. So they take turns playing at the half.
Will Ron do the right thing?
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Apparently, the locker room is only big enough for half the team. So they take turns playing at the half.
Wish we had fUCLA's AD and not Ron.
Fires a coach who only had two years coaching at fucla.
Then they beat the #7 team in the country a couple weeks later.
Fires a coach who only had two years coaching at fucla.
Then they beat the #7 team in the country a couple weeks later.
But Oregon did try to hire him away, I swear!
movielover said:m2bear said:
Why is Ron here?
Where'd the defense go?
Had to start playing teams with a pulse
I'm done
Ron's not good at his job.
He should at least fire himself.
He should at least fire himself.
We are not going to hear a whole lot for the next 2 weeks but would love to see in a month after a few more losses what his attitude is thenm2bear said:
Ron's not good at his job.
He should at least fire himself.
Well, at least we know why all the players jumped ship and left for other schools.
Ron told them isn't going to fire Wilcox.
Ron told them isn't going to fire Wilcox.
Let's give Ron Rivera more than half a season before we decide how good he is at his job.
Wilcox, yes, you can decide.
Wilcox, yes, you can decide.
What is Ron going to say when only two or three thousand people show up to the next game?
Real Cal fans aren't going to support the product anymore if Wilcox is still here.
Real Cal fans aren't going to support the product anymore if Wilcox is still here.
m2bear said:
What is Ron going to say when only two or three thousand people show up to the next game?
Real Cal fans aren't going to support the product anymore if Wilcox is still here.
Never underestimate the willingness of Cal fans to accept losing and mediocrity. This is the 8th straight season where the team has fallen apart in late Sept or Oct, after all.
Sac State actually has a worse AD / Chancellor, dumping the "JV" FCS to join FBS ... without an invite or stadium renovation (new $120 M temporary stadium at Cal Expo?).
With their wide open schedule, maybe Wilcox can slip them in, another early season W.
With their wide open schedule, maybe Wilcox can slip them in, another early season W.
m2bear said:
As you can tell.
The players have quit on Wilcox.
It's not hard to see.
But, we are Cal. We will win the next two games, then lose the rest. Go to the Toilet Bowl and win that. Presto, winning record. Then, the crying towels will come out.
Ron isn't the problem, it's the buyout money. We don't have it.
You'd hope a school like Cal could figure out a way to move on from Wilcox at this point (and I'm sure they're trying), but if it was easy it would have already happened.
Having said that, the damage being done to our program by letting Wilcox continue as HC is immeasurable and we may look back some day and wish we'd made firing him a higher budgetary priority.
You'd hope a school like Cal could figure out a way to move on from Wilcox at this point (and I'm sure they're trying), but if it was easy it would have already happened.
Having said that, the damage being done to our program by letting Wilcox continue as HC is immeasurable and we may look back some day and wish we'd made firing him a higher budgetary priority.
Square jaw.
Rushinbear said:m2bear said:
As you can tell.
The players have quit on Wilcox.
It's not hard to see.
But, we are Cal. We will win the next two games, then lose the rest. Go to the Toilet Bowl and win that. Presto, winning record. Then, the crying towels will come out.
Wilcox has only one bowl game win as the head coach at Cal, and he has not had a winning record since that season (2019). And don't get me started on conference records.
DaveT said:
Ron isn't the problem, it's the buyout money. We don't have it.
You'd hope a school like Cal could figure out a way to move on from Wilcox at this point (and I'm sure they're trying), but if it was easy it would have already happened.
Having said that, the damage being done to our program by letting Wilcox continue as HC is immeasurable and we may look back some day and wish we'd made firing him a higher budgetary priority.
The problem is that you are looking at it with a football heart instead of a finance head.
Yeah, if we don't spend $15M now, we will almost certainly suck.
But from a finance perspective, looking at Cal's history, looking at the other resources at our disposal, If we do spend $15M the overwhelming chances are we will suck. I'd put the odds at 90% that Cal will not make up that $15M financially in the next 5 years if it pays the buyout.
We do not spend nearly what successful schools spend. We do not bring in nearly what successful schools bring in revenue. Cal can't just invest $15M one time and turn things around. Cal needs to invest a one time $15M plus increase its annual investment by about $50M to have any reasonable hope of building a good program and that is not a guarantee by a long shot. This when Cal athletics are already losing $50M-$60M a year.
If this were a purely financial decision, you would say your company is going bankrupt and you can invest $15M to slow down that process, but you don't have the resources to actually turn that process around, you would cut your losses.
That is the problem with making financial arguments here. They do not work. If you look at what Cal has made in winning seasons vs. the usual, it does not make this a good business bet.
You have to make this argument based on the intrinsic value of football and to be honest, as the numbers get bigger, that is a harder argument to make.
Cal can't engage in stupid financial decisions at this point. So it is up to alums to put the money up if they are willing to make a bad financial bet because they are willing to pay $15M (and frankly a lot more) because they want a good football team. At any point an alum or group of alums can walk into Rivera's office and say "we've had it. Here is $15M". I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened yet. Otherwise, we as a fan base cannot look at Cal and say - chuck $15M that you won't get back into this because I want it.
Cal is responsible for the dumbass contract. (to be clear, nobody there now did that) We are responsible for bailing them out if that is what we want.
BearlyCareAnymore said:DaveT said:
Ron isn't the problem, it's the buyout money. We don't have it.
You'd hope a school like Cal could figure out a way to move on from Wilcox at this point (and I'm sure they're trying), but if it was easy it would have already happened.
Having said that, the damage being done to our program by letting Wilcox continue as HC is immeasurable and we may look back some day and wish we'd made firing him a higher budgetary priority.
The problem is that you are looking at it with a football heart instead of a finance head.
Yeah, if we don't spend $15M now, we will almost certainly suck.
But from a finance perspective, looking at Cal's history, looking at the other resources at our disposal, If we do spend $15M the overwhelming chances are we will suck. I'd put the odds at 90% that Cal will not make up that $15M financially in the next 5 years if it pays the buyout.
We do not spend nearly what successful schools spend. We do not bring in nearly what successful schools bring in revenue. Cal can't just invest $15M one time and turn things around. Cal needs to invest a one time $15M plus increase its annual investment by about $50M to have any reasonable hope of building a good program and that is not a guarantee by a long shot. This when Cal athletics are already losing $50M-$60M a year.
If this were a purely financial decision, you would say your company is going bankrupt and you can invest $15M to slow down that process, but you don't have the resources to actually turn that process around, you would cut your losses.
That is the problem with making financial arguments here. They do not work. If you look at what Cal has made in winning seasons vs. the usual, it does not make this a good business bet.
You have to make this argument based on the intrinsic value of football and to be honest, as the numbers get bigger, that is a harder argument to make.
Cal can't engage in stupid financial decisions at this point. So it is up to alums to put the money up if they are willing to make a bad financial bet because they are willing to pay $15M (and frankly a lot more) because they want a good football team. At any point an alum or group of alums can walk into Rivera's office and say "we've had it. Here is $15M". I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened yet. Otherwise, we as a fan base cannot look at Cal and say - chuck $15M that you won't get back into this because I want it.
Cal is responsible for the dumbass contract. (to be clear, nobody there now did that) We are responsible for bailing them out if that is what we want.
Makes sense. If we were purely a company whose life is to stay out of the red and produce something that enough people will buy, we know what we would do - offer a product that will keep us in the black. But, it being more complicated than that, we're doomed to stay in our little spot and soldier on. I guess. Until someone comes along with $100 million that they never wanted in the first place and over which they don't want a say.
Has Ron had anything to say after last nights massacre?
DaveT said:
Ron isn't the problem, it's the buyout money. We don't have it.
You'd hope a school like Cal could figure out a way to move on from Wilcox at this point (and I'm sure they're trying), but if it was easy it would have already happened.
Having said that, the damage being done to our program by letting Wilcox continue as HC is immeasurable and we may look back some day and wish we'd made firing him a higher budgetary priority.
It's Ron's job to find the money.
BearlyCareAnymore said:DaveT said:
Ron isn't the problem, it's the buyout money. We don't have it.
You'd hope a school like Cal could figure out a way to move on from Wilcox at this point (and I'm sure they're trying), but if it was easy it would have already happened.
Having said that, the damage being done to our program by letting Wilcox continue as HC is immeasurable and we may look back some day and wish we'd made firing him a higher budgetary priority.
The problem is that you are looking at it with a football heart instead of a finance head.
Yeah, if we don't spend $15M now, we will almost certainly suck.
But from a finance perspective, looking at Cal's history, looking at the other resources at our disposal, If we do spend $15M the overwhelming chances are we will suck. I'd put the odds at 90% that Cal will not make up that $15M financially in the next 5 years if it pays the buyout.
We do not spend nearly what successful schools spend. We do not bring in nearly what successful schools bring in revenue. Cal can't just invest $15M one time and turn things around. Cal needs to invest a one time $15M plus increase its annual investment by about $50M to have any reasonable hope of building a good program and that is not a guarantee by a long shot. This when Cal athletics are already losing $50M-$60M a year.
If this were a purely financial decision, you would say your company is going bankrupt and you can invest $15M to slow down that process, but you don't have the resources to actually turn that process around, you would cut your losses.
That is the problem with making financial arguments here. They do not work. If you look at what Cal has made in winning seasons vs. the usual, it does not make this a good business bet.
You have to make this argument based on the intrinsic value of football and to be honest, as the numbers get bigger, that is a harder argument to make.
Cal can't engage in stupid financial decisions at this point. So it is up to alums to put the money up if they are willing to make a bad financial bet because they are willing to pay $15M (and frankly a lot more) because they want a good football team. At any point an alum or group of alums can walk into Rivera's office and say "we've had it. Here is $15M". I'm pretty sure that hasn't happened yet. Otherwise, we as a fan base cannot look at Cal and say - chuck $15M that you won't get back into this because I want it.
Cal is responsible for the dumbass contract. (to be clear, nobody there now did that) We are responsible for bailing them out if that is what we want.
the buyout money is a sunk cost. We owe it to him whether he's the coach (and he gets it as salary) or unemployed (and he gets it as buyout).
The actual cost is whatever a new coach would cost. That amount is unknown.
The ROI calculation I think is different than it historically has been. In years past Cal could sit back and collect PAC money and get the exposure or student experience or whatever else they wanted. You may be right that the incremental $ from selling 20K extra tickets a game, etc that Tedford drove may not be worth it financially in that case. The current situation is different. Cal is facing major sports extinction. A successful football program is the single best way to avoid that. It's possible that the economics still don't work but I do think the ROI on a high performing football program is higher than it's ever been for Cal.
Is the Bears talent close enough to Duke, or is their talent-level that much better?
Has anyone tracked halftime adjustment success / failure?
Has anyone detailed why Tedford was successful? Reuse the formula.
Can UCLA continue the success? Confidence and the big MO are a beautiful thing.
Has anyone tracked halftime adjustment success / failure?
Has anyone detailed why Tedford was successful? Reuse the formula.
Can UCLA continue the success? Confidence and the big MO are a beautiful thing.
Well, I heard Ron doing color commentary for the Washington and Chargers game on the radio.
He probably doesn't know Cal played yesterday.
He probably doesn't know Cal played yesterday.
m2bear said:
Well, I heard Ron doing color commentary for the Washington and Chargers game on the radio.
He probably doesn't know Cal played yesterday.
Yeah I assume this means he wasn't at the game last night. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's fully committed to figuring out the best way to turn this dumpster fire around.
What happened to "either you're with us or get lost" after the SDSU debacle?
$700,000 and he's skipping games. Is Andrew Luck skipping games?
Him being at the game does what exactly?
I didn't watch the chargers game but him doing an nfl game and someone mentioning Cal and that he is the GM is probably worth more in him marketing than some perfunctory appearance at a game.
Plus I did see Rivera on ca.pus before the game so maybe he left for LA the next morning?
I didn't watch the chargers game but him doing an nfl game and someone mentioning Cal and that he is the GM is probably worth more in him marketing than some perfunctory appearance at a game.
Plus I did see Rivera on ca.pus before the game so maybe he left for LA the next morning?
Did this really happen? He wasn't even at the game? Even if there, to do a side hustle the day later, completely unrelated to Cal is really a bad look. Would really like confirmation of both of these claims.BadNewsBear1 said:m2bear said:
Well, I heard Ron doing color commentary for the Washington and Chargers game on the radio.
He probably doesn't know Cal played yesterday.
Yeah I assume this means he wasn't at the game last night. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's fully committed to figuring out the best way to turn this dumpster fire around.
What happened to "either you're with us or get lost" after the SDSU debacle?
Fulfill his primary role as GM.
How does Ron Rivera have time to be the GM of Cal football and also call games for Sports USA Radio? https://t.co/gq03qOuWiZ
— Treadmill Horse (@treadmillhorse) October 1, 2025
movielover said:
Is the Bears talent close enough to Duke, or is their talent-level that much better?
Has anyone tracked halftime adjustment success / failure?
Has anyone detailed why Tedford was successful? Reuse the formula.
Can UCLA continue the success? Confidence and the big MO are a beautiful thing.
We looked slow, all the way around. And, not as strong as I expected.
It doesn't look like he's missing games but holy crap, is this going to be a regular thing? This is so freaking Cal to not see how terrible this looks to the rest of the staff and the team. The lack of commitment. I get that he could command more money doing other things, but I thought he was committed to Cal. We need someone dedicated to this job, full time. This is so freaking Cal to think this is ok. SMH. Totally unserious program. Heck, I think I'm in Ott's camp at this point. What a joke.
Edit: thinking a bit more about this it's positive to have him in high profile situations and keeps him fresh and relevant, but on radio, not sure anyone is really listening to that all that much. Recruits? Probably not. Maybe for the la crowd as a one-off this could have a tiny benefit if he's also plugging and discussing cal on the air. I just don't think it makes sense and is a distraction from the matter at hand.
Edit: thinking a bit more about this it's positive to have him in high profile situations and keeps him fresh and relevant, but on radio, not sure anyone is really listening to that all that much. Recruits? Probably not. Maybe for the la crowd as a one-off this could have a tiny benefit if he's also plugging and discussing cal on the air. I just don't think it makes sense and is a distraction from the matter at hand.
BadNewsBear1 said:m2bear said:
Well, I heard Ron doing color commentary for the Washington and Chargers game on the radio.
He probably doesn't know Cal played yesterday.
Yeah I assume this means he wasn't at the game last night. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's fully committed to figuring out the best way to turn this dumpster fire around.
What happened to "either you're with us or get lost" after the SDSU debacle?
Maybe he was scouting the two coaching staffs for the next Cal head coach.
In all seriousness there is not a whole lot of work for a college "GM" in-season in regards to roster management, i.e. there is no one to sign/trade/waive in-season like the NFL, we obviously want him to do something about coaching personnel and that is probably the most substantive thing he can do at the moment with his side gigGolden One said:BadNewsBear1 said:m2bear said:
Well, I heard Ron doing color commentary for the Washington and Chargers game on the radio.
He probably doesn't know Cal played yesterday.
Yeah I assume this means he wasn't at the game last night. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's fully committed to figuring out the best way to turn this dumpster fire around.
What happened to "either you're with us or get lost" after the SDSU debacle?
Maybe he was scouting the two coaching staffs for the next Cal head coach.
Strykur said:Golden One said:BadNewsBear1 said:m2bear said:
Well, I heard Ron doing color commentary for the Washington and Chargers game on the radio.
He probably doesn't know Cal played yesterday.
Yeah I assume this means he wasn't at the game last night. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that he's fully committed to figuring out the best way to turn this dumpster fire around.
What happened to "either you're with us or get lost" after the SDSU debacle?
Maybe he was scouting the two coaching staffs for the next Cal head coach.
In all seriousness there is not a whole lot of work for a college "GM" in-season in regards to roster management, i.e. there is no one to sign/trade/waive in-season like the NFL, we obviously want him to do something about coaching personnel and that is probably the most substantive thing he can do at the moment with his side gig
He can fire Wilsux. Then he can agree to take over as the Interim Head Coach for the foreseeable future until Cal can afford to hire someone competent to take over for him (or until Wilsux's contract is paid off, whichever comes first). To be clear, I'm not suggesting RR would not be a competent HC for Cal. Rather, I kind of doubt he wants the job, though if he did, I suspect most of us would be more than happy to let him try his hand at that position (especially if he's being paid the Football GM salary only).
Frankly, at this point, someone needs to think outside the box a bit. Whether that means RR fires Wilcox and leaves the playcalling up to AI or something equally outlandish, something has to be done. Cal cannot keep doing the same over and over again and expect positive change. If Cal doesn't fire Wilsux, it will get left behind during the next round of conference realignment. Once that happens, Cal Football will be little more than a MWC team, if that. That's good for neither the Cal athletics brand or the Cal academic brand (as the former helps drive name recognition and applications which strengthens the latter, at least in the US).
Wilsux has to go. There are no two ways about this.
m2bear said:
Well, I heard Ron doing color commentary for the Washington and Chargers game on the radio.
He probably doesn't know Cal played yesterday.
Kind of feel like the guy on the bottom of the frame:
RON RIVERA WILL BE ON THE CALL FOR THE COMMANDERS-CHARGERS GAME!
Turning Cal football around is an 80 hour a week job. Don't yell at fans not to have a loser mentality one week and then moonlight on another gig the next week.
The fear always has been that he is a figurehead just here to raise money from alums and they keep doing things to reinforce that fear.
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