CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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If RR thinks that retaining Wilcox will help us to hang on to JKS, he is out of his mind. Tell JKS he will have a major say in picking the next coach.

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Impress JKS with a competent hire and regardless of what happens with coaching, impress him with some decent WRs and OLs.

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We could do all that and he still could walk, and also if we have him involved with the coaching search that will entice candidates and give JKS some accountability and ownership he would not get elsewhere, if we want to even have a chance at keeping him, he will be absolutely need to be involved in the coaching search, unless we get other guarantees from him

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JKS is gone. The next hire has to be the right person to save the program from collapse. It may already be too late, but we have no shot unless we hire someone who can fix this mess.

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The only way he stays is if we somehow assemble a superteam of WRs and OL

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DaveT said:

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kal kommie said:

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annarborbear said:

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If RR thinks that retaining Wilcox will help us to hang on to JKS, he is out of his mind. Tell JKS he will have a major say in picking the next coach.

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Impress JKS with a competent hire and regardless of what happens with coaching, impress him with some decent WRs and OLs.

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We could do all that and he still could walk, and also if we have him involved with the coaching search that will entice candidates and give JKS some accountability and ownership he would not get elsewhere, if we want to even have a chance at keeping him, he will be absolutely need to be involved in the coaching search, unless we get other guarantees from him

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JKS is gone. The next hire has to be the right person to save the program from collapse. It may already be too late, but we have no shot unless we hire someone who can fix this mess.

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The only way he stays is if we somehow assemble a superteam of WRs and OL

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Which is why we may need to look at Tosh or DeSean just for the recruiting upside

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kal kommie said:

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annarborbear said:

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If RR thinks that retaining Wilcox will help us to hang on to JKS, he is out of his mind. Tell JKS he will have a major say in picking the next coach.

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Impress JKS with a competent hire and regardless of what happens with coaching, impress him with some decent WRs and OLs.

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We could do all that and he still could walk, and also if we have him involved with the coaching search that will entice candidates and give JKS some accountability and ownership he would not get elsewhere, if we want to even have a chance at keeping him, he will be absolutely need to be involved in the coaching search, unless we get other guarantees from him

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Rivera just needs to stay close to him and keep him informed. Let him know he is trying to put together the best coach, staff and team to highlight his talent at Cal. Rivera can listen, give feedback, but Ron needs to do what he thinks is best for Cal long term. Sagapolutele may still walk, but that is always a risk.

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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Yeah, I don't see us being "relegated" any further than we already are. The ACC likely stays as a 2nd tier conference and will reconfigure if and when there is more realignment and remain as such.

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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Yeah, I don't see us being "relegated" any further than we already are. The ACC likely stays as a 2nd tier conference and will reconfigure if and when there is more realignment and remain as such.

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Why travel across the country to play in a lousy league? The money doesn't even cover added expenses.

BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even easier. A slightly better team is 8-0 and ranked right now, beating no one. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level as a result and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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sycasey said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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Yeah, I don't see us being "relegated" any further than we already are. The ACC likely stays as a 2nd tier conference and will reconfigure if and when there is more realignment and remain as such.

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Why travel across the country to play in a lousy league? The money doesn't even cover added expenses.

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Not just that, we are paying an FCS team from New York to come to Berkeley next year, there is a bunch of BS happening off the field that makes no sense

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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Wilcox's nature is always to pull us back to .500. Doesn't matter the team, doesn't matter the schedule. This is what he does.

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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Wilcox's nature is always to pull us back to .500.

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I think you mean pull us down, we started 3-0 and might crash out to a 2-7 finish

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sycasey said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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Wilcox's nature is always to pull us back to .500.

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I think you mean pull us down, we started 3-0 and might crash out to a 2-7 finish

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Nah, because we've also had seasons with worse records at this point and he manages to pull us closer to .500 then too. He's just a mediocrity.

That is because if he has a lead he plays conservative. If he gets behind, he opens things up. Take the lead? Get conservative again? Fall behind? We better push things. Just constantly revolving around a tie.

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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I feel this so much


so far this year we have every single game except 2 on ESPN main. When is the last time that happend. Squandered is the right word. Thats all Wilcox is good for

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sycasey said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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Wilcox's nature is always to pull us back to .500.

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I think you mean pull us down, we started 3-0 and might crash out to a 2-7 finish

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He has been very lucky to play the worst stretch of Stanford teams since Tevins/Harris gave way to Harbaugh/Shaw. Another Big Game win to retain the Axe and get to a crappy bowl would be more than enough success for a lot of Cal fans.

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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I feel this so much


so far this year we have every single game except 2 on ESPN main. When is the last time that happend. Squandered is the right word. Thats all Wilcox is good for

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The last 15 years have been the worst run in revenue sports in campus history, and half of those years were Wilcox

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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There is no P4. People are already referring to the P2.


The crap teams in the ACC pushed for Cal, Stanford and SMU over the objections of the good teams because they know the good teams are leaving and with the three of us there are enough teams to maintain a conference that is substantially worse than the P2 but somewhat better than the G?

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That is because if he has a lead he plays conservative. If he gets behind, he opens things up. Take the lead? Get conservative again? Fall behind? We better push things. Just constantly revolving around a tie.

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Much is said about the revolving philosophy, but another key thing that is missing is the killer instinct and perfectionism.

Listen to him on any interviews, we always need to do a little better, try a bit harder, focus a bit more.

No wilcox, we suck. We drop 5 to 7 passes a game. Our OL can get zero pushYou need to think like a freaking winner and dissect and actually make wholesale changes.

We are always making tweaks but we are a below average team so tweaks gets us one win here and one win there but we will never be dominant. Some people are not winners and thats the mentality that is missing

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Strykur said:

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sycasey said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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Wilcox's nature is always to pull us back to .500.

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I think you mean pull us down, we started 3-0 and might crash out to a 2-7 finish

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He has been very lucky to play the worst stretch of Stanford teams since Tevins/Harris gave way to Harbaugh/Shaw. Another Big Game win to retain the Axe and get to a crappy bowl would be more than enough success for a lot of Cal fans.

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He better beat Stanford. His 6 win annual bonus is riding on it

BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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sycasey said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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Wilcox's nature is always to pull us back to .500.

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I think you mean pull us down, we started 3-0 and might crash out to a 2-7 finish

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He has been very lucky to play the worst stretch of Stanford teams since Tevins/Harris gave way to Harbaugh/Shaw. Another Big Game win to retain the Axe and get to a crappy bowl would be more than enough success for a lot of Cal fans.

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He better beat Stanford. His 6 win annual bonus is riding on it

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He may not have the chance to

I have no idea why Wilcox is a bad coach, but his record clearly shows he is. Who cares why really? Let's just move on and try to do a better job hiring his replacement.

Why the **** are we paying this clown anything at all?

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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Wilcox's nature is always to pull us back to .500.

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I think you mean pull us down, we started 3-0 and might crash out to a 2-7 finish

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As I said when some were getting all jazzed about beating OSU and Texas Southern, we go through this every year. Some get excited about beating crap teams thinking we have improved when we are just playing crap teams and soon the mediocre and good teams will come and we will look like we always do.

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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sycasey said:

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calumnus said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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Wilcox's nature is always to pull us back to .500.

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I think you mean pull us down, we started 3-0 and might crash out to a 2-7 finish

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He has been very lucky to play the worst stretch of Stanford teams since Tevins/Harris gave way to Harbaugh/Shaw. Another Big Game win to retain the Axe and get to a crappy bowl would be more than enough success for a lot of Cal fans.

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He better beat Stanford. His 6 win annual bonus is riding on it

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He may not have the chance to

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I'll believe it when I see it.

BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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There is no P4. People are already referring to the P2.


The crap teams in the ACC pushed for Cal, Stanford and SMU over the objections of the good teams because they know the good teams are leaving and with the three of us there are enough teams to maintain a conference that is substantially worse than the P2 but somewhat better than the G?

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Yes, but people expect the P2 to expand again and when they do they will take the best teams/markets from the ACC and Big-12. That is why we need to win in the ACC, become one of their best teams, become regularly ranked by virtue of beating bad teams in the ACC and own the Bay Area market. The B1G presidents also like academics. We are perfectly positioned for B1G expansion if we take care of business. The path is right there. Worst case if we try is we own the ACC and remain ESPN's darling while filling CMS, ie Cal football survives at a relatively high level.

calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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There is no P4. People are already referring to the P2.


The crap teams in the ACC pushed for Cal, Stanford and SMU over the objections of the good teams because they know the good teams are leaving and with the three of us there are enough teams to maintain a conference that is substantially worse than the P2 but somewhat better than the G?

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Yes, but people expect the P2 to expand again and when they do they will take the best teams/markets from the ACC and Big-12. That is why we need to win in the ACC, become one of their best teams, become regularly ranked by virtue of beating bad teams in the ACC and own the Bay Area market. The B1G presidents also like academics. We are perfectly positioned for B1G expansion if we take care of business. The path is right there. Worst case if we try is we own the ACC and remain ESPN's darling while filling CMS, ie Cal football survives at a relatively high level.

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OH FOR GOD'S SAKE. They aren't going to expand that much and they aren't taking us win or lose. We won't bring them more money and that is all that matters. There are a handful of teams, mostly the top teams in the ACC, who have something to add to the P2. They aren't us. They don't care if we miraculously win a couple time in 60 years. They care about prolonged, sustained ability to add value to a conference.

The Big 10 doesn't need to expand AT ALL. They may take a couple specific teams like Notre Dame who clearly add value. They don't need to go looking for numbers. We aren't going anywhere and it is time people make there peace with that.

Cal’s defense being completely baffled by Virginia Tech running the same play over and over again

— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) October 25, 2025

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calumnus said:

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calumnus said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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There is no P4. People are already referring to the P2.


The crap teams in the ACC pushed for Cal, Stanford and SMU over the objections of the good teams because they know the good teams are leaving and with the three of us there are enough teams to maintain a conference that is substantially worse than the P2 but somewhat better than the G?

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Yes, but people expect the P2 to expand again and when they do they will take the best teams/markets from the ACC and Big-12. That is why we need to win in the ACC, become one of their best teams, become regularly ranked by virtue of beating bad teams in the ACC and own the Bay Area market. The B1G presidents also like academics. We are perfectly positioned for B1G expansion if we take care of business. The path is right there. Worst case if we try is we own the ACC and remain ESPN's darling while filling CMS, ie Cal football survives at a relatively high level.

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OH FOR GOD'S SAKE. They aren't going to expand that much and they aren't taking us win or lose. We won't bring them more money and that is all that matters. There are a handful of teams, mostly the top teams in the ACC, who have something to add to the P2. They aren't us. They don't care if we miraculously win a couple time in 60 years. They care about prolonged, sustained ability to add value to a conference.

The Big 10 doesn't need to expand AT ALL. They may take a couple specific teams like Notre Dame who clearly add value. They don't need to go looking for numbers. We aren't going anywhere and it is time people make there peace with that.

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IMO, given where we are at right now it's time to think long-term. There will be no quick fix to make us attractive to the B1G, unless the B1G is planning on getting a lot bigger than anyone expects right now, and that is out of our control anyway. We maybe had a long-shot opportunity with the last 2 seasons but that ship has sailed. This team is clearly not good enough.

I don't think that means it's over, because there will probably be realignment again at some point in the future and we will still be positioned in some kind of second-tier conference, be it a reconfigured ACC or Big 12 or some new conglomeration. There will be other bites at that apple, but if getting to the B1G is indeed the goal, Cal needs to work on building fan and donor support over time. There has been too much gradual decline since Tedford for it to happen quickly. I like some of the stuff that has happened since Lyons and Rivera started running things, but it's still a long haul from this position. Given what could have happened, we are relatively fortunate to even be in the second tier.

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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There is no P4. People are already referring to the P2.


The crap teams in the ACC pushed for Cal, Stanford and SMU over the objections of the good teams because they know the good teams are leaving and with the three of us there are enough teams to maintain a conference that is substantially worse than the P2 but somewhat better than the G?

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Yes, but people expect the P2 to expand again and when they do they will take the best teams/markets from the ACC and Big-12. That is why we need to win in the ACC, become one of their best teams, become regularly ranked by virtue of beating bad teams in the ACC and own the Bay Area market. The B1G presidents also like academics. We are perfectly positioned for B1G expansion if we take care of business. The path is right there. Worst case if we try is we own the ACC and remain ESPN's darling while filling CMS, ie Cal football survives at a relatively high level.

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Oh my goodness, can you stop with this? "Perfectly positioned"? "Win the league"? ESPN's darling? Do you read what you write? It's total nonsense.

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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There is no P4. People are already referring to the P2.


The crap teams in the ACC pushed for Cal, Stanford and SMU over the objections of the good teams because they know the good teams are leaving and with the three of us there are enough teams to maintain a conference that is substantially worse than the P2 but somewhat better than the G?

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Yes, but people expect the P2 to expand again and when they do they will take the best teams/markets from the ACC and Big-12. That is why we need to win in the ACC, become one of their best teams, become regularly ranked by virtue of beating bad teams in the ACC and own the Bay Area market. The B1G presidents also like academics. We are perfectly positioned for B1G expansion if we take care of business. The path is right there. Worst case if we try is we own the ACC and remain ESPN's darling while filling CMS, ie Cal football survives at a relatively high level.

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Oh my goodness, can you stop with this? "Perfectly positioned"? "Win the league"? ESPN's darling? Do you read what you write? It's total nonsense.

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The super league is launching in 5 years and we are still focused on the ACC when we need to focus on competing nationally and have maybe 3-4 years to get there

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I like some of the stuff that has happened since Lyons and Rivera started running things, but it's still a long haul from this position. Given what could have happened, we are relatively fortunate to even be in the second tier.

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All Lyons and Rivera have done so far is talk, unless there is significant stuff going on behind the scenes that most of us don't see. Talk is cheap. It's time to see action if the two of them are serious about elevating our program. That action starts with firing Wilcox, and sooner rather than later.

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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There is no P4. People are already referring to the P2.


The crap teams in the ACC pushed for Cal, Stanford and SMU over the objections of the good teams because they know the good teams are leaving and with the three of us there are enough teams to maintain a conference that is substantially worse than the P2 but somewhat better than the G?

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Yes, but people expect the P2 to expand again and when they do they will take the best teams/markets from the ACC and Big-12. That is why we need to win in the ACC, become one of their best teams, become regularly ranked by virtue of beating bad teams in the ACC and own the Bay Area market. The B1G presidents also like academics. We are perfectly positioned for B1G expansion if we take care of business. The path is right there. Worst case if we try is we own the ACC and remain ESPN's darling while filling CMS, ie Cal football survives at a relatively high level.

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OH FOR GOD'S SAKE. They aren't going to expand that much and they aren't taking us win or lose. We won't bring them more money and that is all that matters. There are a handful of teams, mostly the top teams in the ACC, who have something to add to the P2. They aren't us. They don't care if we miraculously win a couple time in 60 years. They care about prolonged, sustained ability to add value to a conference.

The Big 10 doesn't need to expand AT ALL. They may take a couple specific teams like Notre Dame who clearly add value. They don't need to go looking for numbers. We aren't going anywhere and it is time people make there peace with that.

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We usually agree on our analysis of whatvis, but differ greatly in our vision of what can be.

No one knows for sure what the future holds but no one thinks the current conferences remain as is. Maybe there is expansion, maybe there is a super league, but the bottom line is Cal needs to start being the best version of Cal it can be to give us the best chance of surviving what the future brings.

I truly believe Cal has tremendous potential to compete at the highest level (consistent top 20) and fill CMS and Haas by filling the East Bay sports void but we need to think strategically and identify our comparitive advantages and play to them, which we have never really done in football (the Calgorithm and our Game Day atmosphere came close) and have only done to a limited extent on occasion in basketball.

If you don't believe we can do better than this and want to give up, fine. But why oppose those who believe it can be done and try to stop Cal from trying? Why try to convince the crowd it is pointless? I don't get that. Just make excuses for Wilcox then and say we should retain him for next year.

"It was just bad football." – Cal head coach Justin Wilcox on tonight's loss to Virginia Tech

— Golden Bear Report (On3 | Rivals) (@CalBearsOn3) October 25, 2025

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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calumnus said:

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BearlyCareAnymore said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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The ACC is still considered P4, pays well, is an ESPN darling and the fact the teams are so bad just highlights what an opportunity we are squandering with Wilcox. We only needed to be around the #50 team to win 10 last year. This year's schedule is even worse. Win 10 and make the CFPs, even as a fraud, and start filling CMS, recruiting at a high level and actually become good (ie fake it till you make it). Then win in the CFP and make it to the B1G or a Superleague in the next realignment. The path is right there. SMU made that jump from G6, we can too.

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There is no P4. People are already referring to the P2.


The crap teams in the ACC pushed for Cal, Stanford and SMU over the objections of the good teams because they know the good teams are leaving and with the three of us there are enough teams to maintain a conference that is substantially worse than the P2 but somewhat better than the G?

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Yes, but people expect the P2 to expand again and when they do they will take the best teams/markets from the ACC and Big-12. That is why we need to win in the ACC, become one of their best teams, become regularly ranked by virtue of beating bad teams in the ACC and own the Bay Area market. The B1G presidents also like academics. We are perfectly positioned for B1G expansion if we take care of business. The path is right there. Worst case if we try is we own the ACC and remain ESPN's darling while filling CMS, ie Cal football survives at a relatively high level.

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Oh my goodness, can you stop with this? "Perfectly positioned"? "Win the league"? ESPN's darling? Do you read what you write? It's total nonsense.

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The super league is launching in 5 years and we are still focused on the ACC when we need to focus on competing nationally and have maybe 3-4 years to get there

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Exactly. And TV cares about recent success. Look at Indiana now. Stanford was a darling when they were winning and then got relegated with us after they started losing again. Getting to consistent 10 wins in the ACC is not that difficult. Think about it, our worse loss was to San Diego State. With an average team , or just this team with last year's WRs and RBs, and maybe a more aggressive HC, we are easily 8-0 and ranked right now, with Sagapolutele and Uluave mentioned by ESPN as Heisman candidates.

It is not that far fetched.

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CalGrad95 said:

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Got our ass beat like a drum by a 2-5 team. Junior varsity coaching staff. Fire them all.

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People keep talking about the fear of being relegated on the next realignment. The more I watch this conference, the more I'm convinced we have already been relegated. This conference is absolutely crap that needs 17 teams to put together 3 or 4 serviceable ones. These last two games have been horrible on both sides and brutal to watch.

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How ironic. We are paying student athletes and coaches are being paid more than ever, and yet, the games are brutal to watch.