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NIL $ = The Jimmy's and Joe's

Yes, we've landed a few rockstars like JKS, due to the supreme efforts of a Benji, Marshall, Andrew M and staff.

We don't even sniff being in the same continent as the Oregon's, Tenn's, Bama's, Georgia's.

So get a sanity check. Lots of visions of grandeur on these posts. Get real.

Sonny was in the Natty a few years out from being whacked from Cal. Other coaches see that.

Everyone grouses about our OL, WR's, DB's, Edge Rushers and lack of impact players on this website from alleged talent evaluators. They blame the HC.

All you grouser's need to hit the hip and kick in or STFU. It's the lack on NIL dollars that has impacted the rapid progress for this program.

Tosh is making $2m a year as the Ducks DC.

I'm not sure he's interested in Cal other than using it as a bargaining chip for another program if he's even considering moving on from Eugene. Get real.

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Fun fact: after one massively outstanding year with another guy's players, Sonny is 12-13 in his conference in the three seasons since

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After Jason finally got rid of the previous coaches players, the Berkeley Bears made television history in the Cheetos Bowl.

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Actually the great 2018 defense was all Dykes' players.
It is true that much of the offense fled in 2017.

However, with the players having an extra year of eligibility for COVID, Wilcox was not finally free of Dykes' players until his great 2022 season (following his 6 year extension), when Musgrave in his 3rd year finally had the seasoned strong armed drop back passer everyone wanted in Plummer instead of Garbers and Wilcox went 4-8 and 2-7 in the Pac-12.

In any sane program with a competent AD that did not just extend him out 6 years after two losing seasons he gets fired then. But now, after two more losing seasons (5 losing seasons in a row), people are saying he should be retained yet again if he beats a bad Stanford team with an interim coach and manages to be over .500 for the first time in 6 years and make it to .500 in conference for the first time in 9 years due to the easiest schedule in 75 years.

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What do we pay Wilcox and his coaches and staff annually?

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Too much for what we're getting.

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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Wilcox should've been sent packing a couple years ago. But we kept hearing about how Cal couldn't afford it. Never mind that keeping him meant Cal wasted its two easiest schedules ever and will end up getting relegated.

But there are still numerous Wilcox apologists and defenders who insist that he should be retained because reasons. They try to cover up their irrational support by pointing to his last win, while ignoring all his embarrassing and inexcusable losses. Then they pretend going 8-4 in a ludicrously soft schedule is somehow progress and means he should be retained.

What I want to know, then, is 8-4 the minimum for them to keep supporting Wilcox as Cal HC? Is 7-5 it? Or is 6-6 enough? Where do they draw the line?

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8-4 with a win over Stanfurd is acceptable to keep him or let him go. Nobody is going to hyper analyze our 8-4, 9-4, or 8-5 finish and say we are getting relegated in 2030 because 01, Calalumnus and Brightbear thought we had too easy of a schedule. The only way we can get an in demand coach to come here, if Wilcox leaves after going 9-4, is if it was mutually agreed upon. Even then, this new coach will have reservations about having to turn a mustang into a ferrari (which a few special coaches can indeed do but many are fired after failing).

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Ah yes. The old no Coach will want to coach at Cal if we have such a hair trigger on firing that we fire a coach after 9 years argument.

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Ah yes, the old every coach wants to coach here after we fire a 9-4 coach who has to deal with a university that doesn't support football and a fanbase that demands 10 wins with less resources than the competition.

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College football coach is not a job that comes with any job security. Virtually every other school fires coaches faster and at the best jobs much faster. Cal has the least demanding fan base on the planet. If anything that fact that it has taken so many years to fire a failed coach might give some pause.

There will be some coaches who don't believe we are committed. Rivera will need to sell like Gladstone sold Tedford (and a very good list of coaching prospects) Definitely not every coach will want to coach here. There will be plenty of good ones that do. Despite the warnings of losers, whenever Cal has done a thorough search, they have found good candidates.

And by the way. It's "fewer resources" not "less resources". Since you think correcting grammar on sports board makes you smartier.

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Less resources is technically correct. I wasn't counting or itemizing. I was discussing resources as a whole.

Firing a coach after going 9-4, which is what we are discussing unbeknownst to those with poor reading comprehension, isn't the best way to show we are serious about winning. It appears RR is doing other good things though, like stopping the university from taking food away from the football team.

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Resources is a countable noun and you were using it as such whether you think you were or not. You can't say less sticks when you are referring to half a bucket of sticks instead of a whole bucket of sticks and say you weren't counting or itemizing the sticks. That isn't how that works. But I'm being an ass to demonstrate that correcting someone's grammar on a sports board, especially to specifically post just a grammar correction (when it was clearly a typo) is an arrogant, pedantic attempt at belittling someone you disagree with.

I will also opine that someone who repeatedly displays disdain for people simply because they are on a free board is reminiscent of students in the Stanford prison experiment being mentally weak enough to genuinely take on false roles that are arbitrarily assigned to them. To actually look down your nose at people based on some imagined hierarchy of people who paid a few bucks and people who didn't is hilarious.

Those of you who still support this guy continually try to 1. Make it an argument about but what if he does something he hasn't actually done. He hasn't won 9 games; 2. Always want to look only at the immediate past instead of the whole past. Keeping a coach who is 51-54 over 9 seasons (as he would be) is not a way to show you are serious about winning. He's only still here because of the buyout or he wouldn't be here to have one barely passable season after 8 crappy ones.

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My disdain for many folks on the free board is with their attitude. It sucks. They sound like intellectual babies that just complain that x coach isn't meeting their demands. As I have previously discussed, coaches leave Cal and do well. You ignore the pattern and just want to put different color lipstick on the pig. If the next coach succeeds, chances are it is because of the changes RR and the chancellor are making so that the new coach won't have less resources THAN Justin and Sonny had.

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Boy SDSU must have a ton of resources. And of course VaTech which just had to go their board of regents (or whatever they call them) to get a boost becuase of their lack of resources. But whatever they did have (similar to Cal BTW) was enough to beat Cal despite not having a HC in place. All the while running the same damn play over and over. And now with the increase in support approved they went out and hired James Franklin. A proven coach that is already making an impact in recruiting.

Cal does need to add resources. They are. But that won't solve the actual coaching issues that pop up seemingly every year. Cal loses to teams with similar or less resources often. It is one thing to lose to USC, Oregon and others that do actually invest in football. But Cal loses often to programs that are no better off than Cal. And often to teams with less. Like SDSU. And in many other seasons in the P12 to programs like OSU, WSU, UA that are not exactly overflowing with resources.

Now that Lyons and Rivera are in place and the commitment to improving resources and support has been made by all means lets continue with a HC that has never shown to be a good recruiter, hiring manager or game manager.

Cal needs to back up the commitment to resources with a commitment to winning. We can argue about who should be the next coach. But keeping Wilcox cannot happen. Not if you want to have any credibilty at all with the fan base and frankly the entire college football community.

Cal will never be Ohio St. or Alabama or Texas. But look at what ASU has done by adding a young high energy coach that learned at the feet of proven winners. Or how about Vanderbilt. Or Missouri. Or GaTech. Or of course what about Indiana. They were before they hired Cignetti one of the very worst programs in the country.

Others like Iowa or Utah are almost always 8 or 9 win programs that fill their stadium. And every so often they get to 10 and play in conference championship games. Cal would kill to be like that.

If Cal is now truly committed and will provide resources lets hire somebody that has won or been a major assistant on winning programs. And quit with trying to prop up a HC that has never shown any real progress over his nine seasons.

Justin Wilcox has had his time. If Cal is going to go all in (or all in for Cal) lets get a new voice. New vision. An enthusiastic new voice and vision. Cal can and should be better. Come on Ron lets move forward.

I want Cal to finish strong. Beat Stanford. Then SMU. Then make the change that is necessary. By Sunday afternoon Nov 30 Justin Wilcox can no longer by the Cal head football coach. It can happen earlier like this coming Sunday. But must happen by Nov 30.

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I am okay with everything but the first paragraph. I just generally disagree with firing JW if he wins the next two (and looks like has buy in going into the bowl game). If we do fire JW, hopefully we have the donor support to pay the buyout, get a great coach, and inject money into the program and NIL.

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There are two reasons why none of this is likely to happen: 1) The buyout is $10.5 million. That's not going to happen in this time of higher education financial chaos. 2) "This time is different" mentality. Look no further than the posts from the owners of this site and many others on this thread - they are likely far closer to how Rivera and the administration thinks than the rest of the board. With Rivera in place, Wilcox and the staff have fewer administrative issues to deal with and can concentrate on football and the results are already showing. Bowl eligible, good recruiting, promising young players on the team. I wouldn't be surprised if they feel Wilcox has been doing a great job with his hands tied behind his back and now he finally has the support to bring the program to the next level and deserves more time. That's likely why Rivera is so dismissive of the questions on Wilcox's future. This is the far more likely outcome than Cal magically conjuring up enough money to buyout Wilcox while being able to afford an upgraded coaching staff - particularly when Wilcox has the Bears bowl eligible for the third year in a row which hasn't happened since the Tedford days.

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There is no "buyout". His contract is fully guaranteed and would be paid as he is paid now. In monthly payments til the end of his contract. Justin would have a obligation to mitigate and likely would find work and offset some of the payments owed. A buyout would be upfront money paid to go away and have no offset. Now Cal and Justin could work out an agreement to a lower settled amount. He could want that if he wants to take a break from coaching for a bit. Cal owes Justin the $10.5M just not upfront and he does have an obligation to mitigate. The final dollars likely would be less than the $10.5M.

I do agree however that Rivera may see this season as progress. Rivera has been a longtime coach and just a short time GM at Cal. He likely still views things through his "coaches eyes" and may think that Justin has turned the corner and is now ready to actually win games. He talks with the donors all the time and a strong number of them could back another season of Wilcox.

The cost of new staff is a thing. If your next hire wants to bring in all his own people. But what if that next coach is willing to keep most of the staff. There are some that believe Tosh is willing to keep a majority of the current staffers. Some staff could leave on their own and would cost Cal nothing.

The point of bowl eligibility is really weak. There are over 80 teams that will play in a bowl. Cal despite being bowl eligible the past 2 seasons failed to have a winning conference record and finished 6-7 both seasons.


You also mention good recruiting. Not sure what you consider good recruiting but Cal has routinely had well below average recruiting under Wilcox. Right now the current HS class is rated in the 40's overall and #11 (out of 17) in the ACC. Which would qualify as his best HS class in years. But not a good class compared to peer programs they compete with. A new coach could add a substantive portal class as he taps into the roster of his current employer. That is one way that Indiana made a big immediate leap under Cignetti. He brought 15 players with him. This is now considered common practice now matter how we may feel about it.

I at one time was convinced that Wilcox was out but now I am less sure. I still believe his "performance" as HC is not worthy of more time, but less convinced that Rivera see's it that way. I do believe though if Rivera wants Wilcox out they will find some money to make it happen.

Cal needs to decide if they are in this enterprise to win or simply pay lip service to it. Rivera was brought aboard to fix Cal football. JMO but retaining Wilcox is the opposite of that. We'll see.

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How do Cal football facilities compare to Indiana's football facilities from the perspective of a football player? How does our football dedicated weight room compare to theirs? How does their food and entertainment area compared to ours, which actually cut food from football players last year? Do we have a dedicated football nutrition center? Do we have a barbershop just for the football team? Do we have a full length turf field, a full length grass practice field, and a full length indoor field?

Please note that this video is a year old and most of the project was constructed prior to Cignetti's arrival. Are we on par with this? After all, folks here say Indiana had nothing before Cignetti.

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The boo bears lack of response to this appears to indicate our practice facilities pale in comparison to what Indiana had prior to Cignetti's arrival.

Another fun fact: Virgina Tech will be paying its coaches and staff $24 million annually through Franklin's contract (this number increases too if they win and make more revenue).

What do we pay Wilcox and his coaches and staff annually?

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Cal football facilities are nice. They are not the problem. There is a thread on the insider page recently posted that tours CMS and the facilities are fine. Are they the very best in all of college football? No but they IMO stack up well to the Indiana facilties. CAL could use a dedicated practice field though.

Coach pay is an issue, but compensation does not guarantee success. Florida State pays Mike Norvell $9.9M per season. He restructured his 2025 deal and contributed $4.5M to FSU athletics. He has a contract that if fired will pay him over $60M. Franklin and his staff will be very well compensated. Of course he was at Penn St as well. He was fired.

Other coaches that have huge contracts that were just fired include Brian Kelly, Billy Napier and Hugh Freeze.

Curt Cignetti was hired at Indiana for $4.5M a year originally.Good coaches can turn programs. Cignetti now will earn around $11.6m. Hire great, provide resources and support and good things can happen.

What so many of the now good young coaches need is an opportunity. Dillingham at ASU is a great example. If the only way for Cal to compete is to have the best facilities and pay the most then give up football. Cal is not and will not be Ohio St. But they can be very competitive in the ACC. And have an untapped donor base that needs to be tapped. Wilcox is not that guy. Tosh may be.

Cal is a P4 job. They have enough positives in the program now that more success should be expected. And while they may not be able to attract some of the more well known and proven HCs they would be attractive to many good HC candidates.

At one time Franklin was not well known. He was the HC at Vanderbilt. Urban Meyer started at Bowling Green. Jim Harbaugh was at the University of San Diego. Dan Lanning had to literally beg Pitt to let him be an unpaid assisitant. Kalen DeBoer was at the University of Sioux Falls. Meyer and Harbaugh have won Nattys. But many would have scoffed at hiring a coach here that came from Bowling Green or USD.

Salary and facilities are positives. But whoever Cal hires won't have awful facilities nor stand in a bread line for food. But they will have an opportunity to coach in a P4 conference and live is a great area with elite weather, entertainment, dining and other wonderful things.

Cal is a great opportunity for a young HC candidate. If they succeed they will have great offers galore. Cal cannot worry about having a HC that stays for 10 years. They need to win now. They can but it starts by acknowledging the good things. And with the new Chancellor and GM they now have the best support and resources they have ever had.

But lets throw in the towel and stay the course with Wilcox. Absurd.

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We all know that 6-6 would not be acceptable.

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Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum number of wins/losses this year for Cal to retain Wilcox? This question is open to everyone who claims 6-6 is insufficient but has not supported his firing given his inexcusable losses against SDSU and Duke.

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We need a new coach regardless of what happens in the remaining two regular season games, plus any bowl game. Even at 9-4, I view this season as a fluke. Wilcox is a nice man but a mediocre coach, and I don't believe that somehow suddenly changed this year. We have to find a new coach who would also be acceptable to JKS. If that's not possible, then IMHO, we're just screwed, and should begin preparing for relegation.

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Wilcox should've been sent packing a couple years ago. But we kept hearing about how Cal couldn't afford it. Never mind that keeping him meant Cal wasted its two easiest schedules ever and will end up getting relegated.

But there are still numerous Wilcox apologists and defenders who insist that he should be retained because reasons. They try to cover up their irrational support by pointing to his last win, while ignoring all his embarrassing and inexcusable losses. Then they pretend going 8-4 in a ludicrously soft schedule is somehow progress and means he should be retained.

What I want to know, then, is 8-4 the minimum for them to keep supporting Wilcox as Cal HC? Is 7-5 it? Or is 6-6 enough? Where do they draw the line?

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8-4 with a win over Stanfurd is acceptable to keep him or let him go. Nobody is going to hyper analyze our 8-4, 9-4, or 8-5 finish and say we are getting relegated in 2030 because 01, Calalumnus and Brightbear thought we had too easy of a schedule. The only way we can get an in demand coach to come here, if Wilcox leaves after going 9-4, is if it was mutually agreed upon. Even then, this new coach will have reservations about having to turn a mustang into a ferrari (which a few special coaches can indeed do but many are fired after failing).

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Ah yes. The old no Coach will want to coach at Cal if we have such a hair trigger on firing that we fire a coach after 9 years argument.

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Ah yes, the old every coach wants to coach here after we fire a 9-4 coach who has to deal with a university that doesn't support football and a fanbase that demands 10 wins with less resources than the competition.

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College football coach is not a job that comes with any job security. Virtually every other school fires coaches faster and at the best jobs much faster. Cal has the least demanding fan base on the planet. If anything that fact that it has taken so many years to fire a failed coach might give some pause.

There will be some coaches who don't believe we are committed. Rivera will need to sell like Gladstone sold Tedford (and a very good list of coaching prospects) Definitely not every coach will want to coach here. There will be plenty of good ones that do. Despite the warnings of losers, whenever Cal has done a thorough search, they have found good candidates.

And by the way. It's "fewer resources" not "less resources". Since you think correcting grammar on sports board makes you smartier.

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Less resources is technically correct. I wasn't counting or itemizing. I was discussing resources as a whole.

Firing a coach after going 9-4, which is what we are discussing unbeknownst to those with poor reading comprehension, isn't the best way to show we are serious about winning. It appears RR is doing other good things though, like stopping the university from taking food away from the football team.

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Resources is a countable noun and you were using it as such whether you think you were or not. You can't say less sticks when you are referring to half a bucket of sticks instead of a whole bucket of sticks and say you weren't counting or itemizing the sticks. That isn't how that works. But I'm being an ass to demonstrate that correcting someone's grammar on a sports board, especially to specifically post just a grammar correction (when it was clearly a typo) is an arrogant, pedantic attempt at belittling someone you disagree with.

I will also opine that someone who repeatedly displays disdain for people simply because they are on a free board is reminiscent of students in the Stanford prison experiment being mentally weak enough to genuinely take on false roles that are arbitrarily assigned to them. To actually look down your nose at people based on some imagined hierarchy of people who paid a few bucks and people who didn't is hilarious.

Those of you who still support this guy continually try to 1. Make it an argument about but what if he does something he hasn't actually done. He hasn't won 9 games; 2. Always want to look only at the immediate past instead of the whole past. Keeping a coach who is 51-54 over 9 seasons (as he would be) is not a way to show you are serious about winning. He's only still here because of the buyout or he wouldn't be here to have one barely passable season after 8 crappy ones.

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My disdain for many folks on the free board is with their attitude. It sucks. They sound like intellectual babies that just complain that x coach isn't meeting their demands. As I have previously discussed, coaches leave Cal and do well. You ignore the pattern and just want to put different color lipstick on the pig. If the next coach succeeds, chances are it is because of the changes RR and the chancellor are making so that the new coach won't have less resources THAN Justin and Sonny had.

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Boy SDSU must have a ton of resources. And of course VaTech which just had to go their board of regents (or whatever they call them) to get a boost becuase of their lack of resources. But whatever they did have (similar to Cal BTW) was enough to beat Cal despite not having a HC in place. All the while running the same damn play over and over. And now with the increase in support approved they went out and hired James Franklin. A proven coach that is already making an impact in recruiting.

Cal does need to add resources. They are. But that won't solve the actual coaching issues that pop up seemingly every year. Cal loses to teams with similar or less resources often. It is one thing to lose to USC, Oregon and others that do actually invest in football. But Cal loses often to programs that are no better off than Cal. And often to teams with less. Like SDSU. And in many other seasons in the P12 to programs like OSU, WSU, UA that are not exactly overflowing with resources.

Now that Lyons and Rivera are in place and the commitment to improving resources and support has been made by all means lets continue with a HC that has never shown to be a good recruiter, hiring manager or game manager.

Cal needs to back up the commitment to resources with a commitment to winning. We can argue about who should be the next coach. But keeping Wilcox cannot happen. Not if you want to have any credibilty at all with the fan base and frankly the entire college football community.

Cal will never be Ohio St. or Alabama or Texas. But look at what ASU has done by adding a young high energy coach that learned at the feet of proven winners. Or how about Vanderbilt. Or Missouri. Or GaTech. Or of course what about Indiana. They were before they hired Cignetti one of the very worst programs in the country.

Others like Iowa or Utah are almost always 8 or 9 win programs that fill their stadium. And every so often they get to 10 and play in conference championship games. Cal would kill to be like that.

If Cal is now truly committed and will provide resources lets hire somebody that has won or been a major assistant on winning programs. And quit with trying to prop up a HC that has never shown any real progress over his nine seasons.

Justin Wilcox has had his time. If Cal is going to go all in (or all in for Cal) lets get a new voice. New vision. An enthusiastic new voice and vision. Cal can and should be better. Come on Ron lets move forward.

I want Cal to finish strong. Beat Stanford. Then SMU. Then make the change that is necessary. By Sunday afternoon Nov 30 Justin Wilcox can no longer by the Cal head football coach. It can happen earlier like this coming Sunday. But must happen by Nov 30.

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I am okay with everything but the first paragraph. I just generally disagree with firing JW if he wins the next two (and looks like has buy in going into the bowl game). If we do fire JW, hopefully we have the donor support to pay the buyout, get a great coach, and inject money into the program and NIL.

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There are two reasons why none of this is likely to happen: 1) The buyout is $10.5 million. That's not going to happen in this time of higher education financial chaos. 2) "This time is different" mentality. Look no further than the posts from the owners of this site and many others on this thread - they are likely far closer to how Rivera and the administration thinks than the rest of the board. With Rivera in place, Wilcox and the staff have fewer administrative issues to deal with and can concentrate on football and the results are already showing. Bowl eligible, good recruiting, promising young players on the team. I wouldn't be surprised if they feel Wilcox has been doing a great job with his hands tied behind his back and now he finally has the support to bring the program to the next level and deserves more time. That's likely why Rivera is so dismissive of the questions on Wilcox's future. This is the far more likely outcome than Cal magically conjuring up enough money to buyout Wilcox while being able to afford an upgraded coaching staff - particularly when Wilcox has the Bears bowl eligible for the third year in a row which hasn't happened since the Tedford days.

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There is no "buyout". His contract is fully guaranteed and would be paid as he is paid now. In monthly payments til the end of his contract. Justin would have a obligation to mitigate and likely would find work and offset some of the payments owed. A buyout would be upfront money paid to go away and have no offset. Now Cal and Justin could work out an agreement to a lower settled amount. He could want that if he wants to take a break from coaching for a bit. Cal owes Justin the $10.5M just not upfront and he does have an obligation to mitigate. The final dollars likely would be less than the $10.5M.

I do agree however that Rivera may see this season as progress. Rivera has been a longtime coach and just a short time GM at Cal. He likely still views things through his "coaches eyes" and may think that Justin has turned the corner and is now ready to actually win games. He talks with the donors all the time and a strong number of them could back another season of Wilcox.

The cost of new staff is a thing. If your next hire wants to bring in all his own people. But what if that next coach is willing to keep most of the staff. There are some that believe Tosh is willing to keep a majority of the current staffers. Some staff could leave on their own and would cost Cal nothing.

The point of bowl eligibility is really weak. There are over 80 teams that will play in a bowl. Cal despite being bowl eligible the past 2 seasons failed to have a winning conference record and finished 6-7 both seasons.


You also mention good recruiting. Not sure what you consider good recruiting but Cal has routinely had well below average recruiting under Wilcox. Right now the current HS class is rated in the 40's overall and #11 (out of 17) in the ACC. Which would qualify as his best HS class in years. But not a good class compared to peer programs they compete with. A new coach could add a substantive portal class as he taps into the roster of his current employer. That is one way that Indiana made a big immediate leap under Cignetti. He brought 15 players with him. This is now considered common practice now matter how we may feel about it.

I at one time was convinced that Wilcox was out but now I am less sure. I still believe his "performance" as HC is not worthy of more time, but less convinced that Rivera see's it that way. I do believe though if Rivera wants Wilcox out they will find some money to make it happen.

Cal needs to decide if they are in this enterprise to win or simply pay lip service to it. Rivera was brought aboard to fix Cal football. JMO but retaining Wilcox is the opposite of that. We'll see.

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How do Cal football facilities compare to Indiana's football facilities from the perspective of a football player? How does our football dedicated weight room compare to theirs? How does their food and entertainment area compared to ours, which actually cut food from football players last year? Do we have a dedicated football nutrition center? Do we have a barbershop just for the football team? Do we have a full length turf field, a full length grass practice field, and a full length indoor field?

Please note that this video is a year old and most of the project was constructed prior to Cignetti's arrival. Are we on par with this? After all, folks here say Indiana had nothing before Cignetti.

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The boo bears lack of response to this appears to indicate our practice facilities pale in comparison to what Indiana had prior to Cignetti's arrival.

Another fun fact: Virgina Tech will be paying its coaches and staff $24 million annually through Franklin's contract (this number increases too if they win and make more revenue).

What do we pay Wilcox and his coaches and staff annually?

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Cal football facilities are nice. They are not the problem. There is a thread on the insider page recently posted that tours CMS and the facilities are fine. Are they the very best in all of college football? No but they IMO stack up well to the Indiana facilties. CAL could use a dedicated practice field though.

Coach pay is an issue, but compensation does not guarantee success. Florida State pays Mike Norvell $9.9M per season. He restructured his 2025 deal and contributed $4.5M to FSU athletics. He has a contract that if fired will pay him over $60M. Franklin and his staff will be very well compensated. Of course he was at Penn St as well. He was fired.

Other coaches that have huge contracts that were just fired include Brian Kelly, Billy Napier and Hugh Freeze.

Curt Cignetti was hired at Indiana for $4.5M a year originally.Good coaches can turn programs. Cignetti now will earn around $11.6m. Hire great, provide resources and support and good things can happen.

What so many of the now good young coaches need is an opportunity. Dillingham at ASU is a great example. If the only way for Cal to compete is to have the best facilities and pay the most then give up football. Cal is not and will not be Ohio St. But they can be very competitive in the ACC. And have an untapped donor base that needs to be tapped. Wilcox is not that guy. Tosh may be.

Cal is a P4 job. They have enough positives in the program now that more success should be expected. And while they may not be able to attract some of the more well known and proven HCs they would be attractive to many good HC candidates.

At one time Franklin was not well known. He was the HC at Vanderbilt. Urban Meyer started at Bowling Green. Jim Harbaugh was at the University of San Diego. Dan Lanning had to literally beg Pitt to let him be an unpaid assisitant. Kalen DeBoer was at the University of Sioux Falls. Meyer and Harbaugh have won Nattys. But many would have scoffed at hiring a coach here that came from Bowling Green or USD.

Salary and facilities are positives. But whoever Cal hires won't have awful facilities nor stand in a bread line for food. But they will have an opportunity to coach in a P4 conference and live is a great area with elite weather, entertainment, dining and other wonderful things.

Cal is a great opportunity for a young HC candidate. If they succeed they will have great offers galore. Cal cannot worry about having a HC that stays for 10 years. They need to win now. They can but it starts by acknowledging the good things. And with the new Chancellor and GM they now have the best support and resources they have ever had.

But lets throw in the towel and stay the course with Wilcox. Absurd.

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Okay, so you admit our current coaching staff makes far less than our competitors winning 10+ games, but you expect us to find a diamond in the rough and cite examples, some of which are from twenty years ago? We could, but we will be continuing to pay Wilcox 10.5 million and any assistant coach breaches and then must use the remaining money to hire this ace staff that may be being courted by the many programs with more resources and better facilities needing coaches that have a lot more to spend than us. Also, please note that Harbaugh and Meyer did not win Natty's at their first stop or second stops but did so at blue bloods Michigan and Florida.

As for your blanket statement that our football facilities are comparable to the facilities Indiana built for Cignetti prior to his arrival, can you answer the questions you ignored?

1) How does our football dedicated weight room compare to theirs?

2) How does their food and entertainment area compared to ours, which actually cut food from football players last year?

3) Do we have a dedicated football nutrition center?

4) Do we have a barbershop inside our football practice facility?

5) Do we have a full length turf field, a full length grass practice field, and a full length indoor field?

It seems you think that we can pick a successful head coach at a very low level or a good coordinator that isn't being identified by our richer competition and we can strike gold and win 10+ because our resources are just good enough for a dynamite coach to do better than Wilcox. It is possible although Cal failed doing this with our last two choices (Dykes and Wilcox).

Please note that TCU struck gold by hiring Dykes after he was fired by us. He was their diamond in the rough. He was NCAA COACH OF THE YEAR IN 2023 and beat Michigan in the College Football Playoff to get to the Championship Game. Hopefully, we find a coach as good as Sonny Dykes!

I believe the best argument to moving on from Wilcox is that we simply need a reboot. However, I believe that if we finish this season strong and our top players want to return, this will show a reboot is unnecessary right now, which is probably why the boo bears spend countless hours ripping Wilcox.

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oskidunker said:

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I fear rivera is being held hostage by JKS. I do not expect that Wilcox will be fired. But I am always wrong so who knows

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JKS should play no part in the decision to fire Wilcox. Yes, JKS is an exceptionally talented QB, but even if Wilcox stays, the likelihood of him staying at Cal is small. And if he stays for a second year, staying beyond that is even more doubtful. In this new era of college football, you can't count on anyone staying for more than a year, especially on mediocre teams, which we are. Rivera should just do what we all know needs to be done. 9 years of a loser like Wilcox is enough.

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I actually would argue the opposite. JKS and Wilcox seem to have a very close relationship….

Justin Wilcox lost to San Diego State (34-0 to a Mountain West team)
Justin Wilcox lost to Duke (they are 5-5 and we let them kick us in the face from across the country ?)
Justin Wilcox lost to Virginia Tech (allowed 357 rush yards, linebackers were blindfolded and guessing if Drones or Hawkins was going to run)
Justin Wilcox lost to Virginia (a quarterback who can't raise his left shoulder)

Justin Wilcox beat Oregon State, TSU, Minnesota, Boston College, UNC, Louisville

Bottom line is they all suck besides Minnesota and maybe Louisville.

What an easy schedule and Justin Wilcox decided to put himself in handcuffs and do nothing about it !

BrightBear said:

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Justin Wilcox lost to San Diego State (34-0 to a Mountain West team)
Justin Wilcox lost to Duke (they are 5-5 and we let them kick us in the face from across the country ?)
Justin Wilcox lost to Virginia Tech (allowed 357 rush yards, linebackers were blindfolded and guessing if Drones or Hawkins was going to run)
Justin Wilcox lost to Virginia (a quarterback who can't raise his left shoulder)

Justin Wilcox beat Oregon State, TSU, Minnesota, Boston College, UNC, Louisville

Bottom line is they all suck besides Minnesota and maybe Louisville.

What an easy schedule and Justin Wilcox decided to put himself in handcuffs and do nothing about it !

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Minnesota lost to Northwestern and Louisville got humbled by SMU. We don't even have any fluke quality wins like FSU over Alabama

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Golden One said:

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oskidunker said:

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I fear rivera is being held hostage by JKS. I do not expect that Wilcox will be fired. But I am always wrong so who knows

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JKS should play no part in the decision to fire Wilcox. Yes, JKS is an exceptionally talented QB, but even if Wilcox stays, the likelihood of him staying at Cal is small. And if he stays for a second year, staying beyond that is even more doubtful. In this new era of college football, you can't count on anyone staying for more than a year, especially on mediocre teams, which we are. Rivera should just do what we all know needs to be done. 9 years of a loser like Wilcox is enough.

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I actually would argue the opposite. JKS and Wilcox seem to have a very close relationship….

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Maybe, but JKS has seen the mediocre players Wilcox has surrounded him with. A good offensive head coach who can recruit and enhance JKS with good offensive players around him would be a welcome change for him.

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^ golden one, u might wanna get ur eyeore depression meds checked this week, there's a football game with the potential for a 7th win being played this week in palo alto with a generation talent lefty bears qb1!!

kinda funny how the cal tv "fans" never discuss ACTUAL football games, they are stuck in the past with their now irrelevant memories of **** nobody cares about any more

this game will be largest decided by cal's monster offensive line which successfully started 4 new guys last week including unsung senior bastian swiinny at center who delivered the rock with accurate placement to JARON KEAWE SAGAPOLUTELE!!

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Thank God for our Monster Offensive Line, Shocky! Only real big men can commit so many substitution penalties! And great call for our center, amazing job snapping the ball!

This is not bad luck. This is Wilcox ball that you want !

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BrightBear said:

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This is not bad luck. This is Wilcox ball that you want !

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Bad luck and terrible play.

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If this is bad luck then you will admit that we only beat UNC from extraordinary luck

Bad luck my azz. The wilcox apologists are full of excuses !

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DoubtfulBear said:

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oski003 said:

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BrightBear said:

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This is not bad luck. This is Wilcox ball that you want !

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Bad luck and terrible play.

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If this is bad luck then you will admit that we only beat UNC from extraordinary luck

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At UNC, did our defensive player get totally juked by their WR but then accidentally kick out the ball while hitting the ground with his shoulder and cause a scoop and score to put us ahead? That play was insane. Also, JKS dropped a low snap and our RB immediately kicked it away from him while blocking and into a furdy. It was bad luck and ineptitude.

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Yea you're right, it was the combination of the bye week that gave Stanfurd too much time to prepare, the lack of free food that led to our offensive line too hungry to block, and the ghost of Leland Stanford Jr. who interfered with JKS throws all night. That's the only reason we lost tonight. No blame should fall on the coaching staff, they had both hands and both feet tied behind their back by the administration.

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oski003 said:

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This is not bad luck. This is Wilcox ball that you want !

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Bad luck and terrible play.

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If this is bad luck then you will admit that we only beat UNC from extraordinary luck

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At UNC, did our defensive player get totally juked by their WR but then accidentally kick out the ball while hitting the ground with his shoulder and cause a scoop and score to put us ahead? That play was insane. Also, JKS dropped a low snap and our RB immediately kicked it away from him while blocking and into a furdy. It was bad luck and ineptitude.

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