concordtom said:

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Strykur said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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Strykur said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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Strykur said:

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Nofado said:

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There is no time to REBUILD or BUILD in the era of NIL. Unless we go full SMU and overspend it's not happening.

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With JKS a build is relatively easy, lose him and we're hosed unless Devin Brown can do some stuff, which I am sure he can but not program-changing like JKS

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i would love to have JKS for the new coach to build off of. he is amazing

but if keeping him means keeping wilcox too. then its not worth it. thats what we are saying

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Wilcox is gone, that is not the question around here

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After this, I don't see how we turn around and compete against SMU, but who knows?

I have no insider knowledge, but I think Rivera knows not much would be gained by firing him tonight or this week.

My guess is that he waits to see how SMU goes.
- If they win, they probably wait until after the Bowl Game.
- If we end at 6-6 without the axe, my guess is they announce he's gone after SMU and have Harsin as interim for the Bowl Game.

I agree that this is it for Wilcox.

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Can you like get the **** out of here, we are getting blasted next Saturday

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Game time?
If early, weather should be nice.
If late, get drunk in the stadium club and wander out into the streets for a Bezerkeley night!

Well, you said "blasted".

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Why wait until then, I have a whole bottle of Jagermeister in my fridge I might finally pop open tonight

calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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Forget Harsin for a second, he was limited but our offense has sucked for 9 years, with the exception of 2023 Spavital Bear Raid, and who hires the OCs?

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I was against hiring Wilcox and against extending Wilcox "for COVID." No one suspects me of being pro-Wilcox, but anyone who recommends Harsin after what he did to our offense which is now the worst of Wilcox's bad offenses despite having arguably his best QB is not paying attention.

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Yep, even if Harsin was limited to some of the worst talent ever assembled at Cal (his doing to some extent) he has shown nothing. I don't even care about JKS at this point. You have to get someone you think has a chance to build an entire team.

concordtom said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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Our offensive line looks horrendous!
Either that or Stanford has a bunch of pros on their D line.
Run blocking pathetic.

I don't understand why Saga never threw deep in this game. That's on Harsin from where I sit. Where was the Grizzel down the sideline pass?

Maybe Stanford stole all our play calling.

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Shame on you!

GET THE TREE!!!
TAKE DOWN THE TREE!!!!!!

concordtom said:

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Strykur said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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Strykur said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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Strykur said:

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Nofado said:

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There is no time to REBUILD or BUILD in the era of NIL. Unless we go full SMU and overspend it's not happening.

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With JKS a build is relatively easy, lose him and we're hosed unless Devin Brown can do some stuff, which I am sure he can but not program-changing like JKS

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i would love to have JKS for the new coach to build off of. he is amazing

but if keeping him means keeping wilcox too. then its not worth it. thats what we are saying

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Wilcox is gone, that is not the question around here

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After this, I don't see how we turn around and compete against SMU, but who knows?

I have no insider knowledge, but I think Rivera knows not much would be gained by firing him tonight or this week.

My guess is that he waits to see how SMU goes.
- If they win, they probably wait until after the Bowl Game.
- If we end at 6-6 without the axe, my guess is they announce he's gone after SMU and have Harsin as interim for the Bowl Game.

I agree that this is it for Wilcox.

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Can you like get the **** out of here, we are getting blasted next Saturday

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Game time?
If early, weather should be nice.
If late, get drunk in the stadium club and wander out into the streets for a Bezerkeley night!

Well, you said "blasted".

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I have to ask - did you see the story where Rice University has proposed free 12 oz beers for students of legal drinking age for the game against North Texas? it's an ESPN broadcast and they want the stadium to look full.

BearlyCareAnymore said:

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concordtom said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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Our offensive line looks horrendous!
Either that or Stanford has a bunch of pros on their D line.
Run blocking pathetic.

I don't understand why Saga never threw deep in this game. That's on Harsin from where I sit. Where was the Grizzel down the sideline pass?

Maybe Stanford stole all our play calling.

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Shame on you!

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Fair play!
He lost me with the penalties.
Especially the substitution ones.

It's going to be really hard to get over watching a Cal team play so dumb and so dispassionate, and coaches playing so timid against a team you could have put down in the 1st quarter.

SoFlaBear said:

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concordtom said:

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Strykur said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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Strykur said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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Strykur said:

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Nofado said:

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There is no time to REBUILD or BUILD in the era of NIL. Unless we go full SMU and overspend it's not happening.

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With JKS a build is relatively easy, lose him and we're hosed unless Devin Brown can do some stuff, which I am sure he can but not program-changing like JKS

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i would love to have JKS for the new coach to build off of. he is amazing

but if keeping him means keeping wilcox too. then its not worth it. thats what we are saying

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Wilcox is gone, that is not the question around here

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After this, I don't see how we turn around and compete against SMU, but who knows?

I have no insider knowledge, but I think Rivera knows not much would be gained by firing him tonight or this week.

My guess is that he waits to see how SMU goes.
- If they win, they probably wait until after the Bowl Game.
- If we end at 6-6 without the axe, my guess is they announce he's gone after SMU and have Harsin as interim for the Bowl Game.

I agree that this is it for Wilcox.

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Can you like get the **** out of here, we are getting blasted next Saturday

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Game time?
If early, weather should be nice.
If late, get drunk in the stadium club and wander out into the streets for a Bezerkeley night!

Well, you said "blasted".

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I have to ask - did you see the story where Rice University has proposed free 12 oz beers for students of legal drinking age for the game against North Texas? it's an ESPN broadcast and they want the stadium to look full.

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We should do that at Haas like Viejas

SoFlaBear said:

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concordtom said:

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Strykur said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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Strykur said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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Strykur said:

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Nofado said:

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There is no time to REBUILD or BUILD in the era of NIL. Unless we go full SMU and overspend it's not happening.

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With JKS a build is relatively easy, lose him and we're hosed unless Devin Brown can do some stuff, which I am sure he can but not program-changing like JKS

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i would love to have JKS for the new coach to build off of. he is amazing

but if keeping him means keeping wilcox too. then its not worth it. thats what we are saying

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Wilcox is gone, that is not the question around here

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After this, I don't see how we turn around and compete against SMU, but who knows?

I have no insider knowledge, but I think Rivera knows not much would be gained by firing him tonight or this week.

My guess is that he waits to see how SMU goes.
- If they win, they probably wait until after the Bowl Game.
- If we end at 6-6 without the axe, my guess is they announce he's gone after SMU and have Harsin as interim for the Bowl Game.

I agree that this is it for Wilcox.

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Can you like get the **** out of here, we are getting blasted next Saturday

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Game time?
If early, weather should be nice.
If late, get drunk in the stadium club and wander out into the streets for a Bezerkeley night!

Well, you said "blasted".

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I have to ask - did you see the story where Rice University has proposed free 12 oz beers for students of legal drinking age for the game against North Texas? it's an ESPN broadcast and they want the stadium to look full.

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If it's just one 12 ouncer, they will take chug one and bail, gonna have to do better than that

Strykur said:

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concordtom said:

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Strykur said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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Strykur said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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Strykur said:

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Nofado said:

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There is no time to REBUILD or BUILD in the era of NIL. Unless we go full SMU and overspend it's not happening.

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With JKS a build is relatively easy, lose him and we're hosed unless Devin Brown can do some stuff, which I am sure he can but not program-changing like JKS

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i would love to have JKS for the new coach to build off of. he is amazing

but if keeping him means keeping wilcox too. then its not worth it. thats what we are saying

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Wilcox is gone, that is not the question around here

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After this, I don't see how we turn around and compete against SMU, but who knows?

I have no insider knowledge, but I think Rivera knows not much would be gained by firing him tonight or this week.

My guess is that he waits to see how SMU goes.
- If they win, they probably wait until after the Bowl Game.
- If we end at 6-6 without the axe, my guess is they announce he's gone after SMU and have Harsin as interim for the Bowl Game.

I agree that this is it for Wilcox.

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Can you like get the **** out of here, we are getting blasted next Saturday

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Game time?
If early, weather should be nice.
If late, get drunk in the stadium club and wander out into the streets for a Bezerkeley night!

Well, you said "blasted".

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Why wait until then, I have a whole bottle of Jagermeister in my fridge I might finally pop open tonight

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No - go with your first instinct and save it for next week.

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It's going to be really hard to get over watching a Cal team play so dumb and so dispassionate, and coaches playing so timid against a team you could have put down in the 1st quarter.

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Two touchdowns and no turnovers in the first half and we probably have a 17-0 halftime lead and coast from there

blungld said:

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It's going to be really hard to get over watching a Cal team play so dumb and so dispassionate, and coaches playing so timid against a team you could have put down in the 1st quarter.

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What are you talking about?
We grew up on this!!!

SoFlaBear said:

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Strykur said:

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concordtom said:

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Strykur said:

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SoFlaBear said:

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Strykur said:

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TedfordTheGreat said:

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Strykur said:

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Nofado said:

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There is no time to REBUILD or BUILD in the era of NIL. Unless we go full SMU and overspend it's not happening.

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With JKS a build is relatively easy, lose him and we're hosed unless Devin Brown can do some stuff, which I am sure he can but not program-changing like JKS

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i would love to have JKS for the new coach to build off of. he is amazing

but if keeping him means keeping wilcox too. then its not worth it. thats what we are saying

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Wilcox is gone, that is not the question around here

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After this, I don't see how we turn around and compete against SMU, but who knows?

I have no insider knowledge, but I think Rivera knows not much would be gained by firing him tonight or this week.

My guess is that he waits to see how SMU goes.
- If they win, they probably wait until after the Bowl Game.
- If we end at 6-6 without the axe, my guess is they announce he's gone after SMU and have Harsin as interim for the Bowl Game.

I agree that this is it for Wilcox.

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Can you like get the **** out of here, we are getting blasted next Saturday

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Game time?
If early, weather should be nice.
If late, get drunk in the stadium club and wander out into the streets for a Bezerkeley night!

Well, you said "blasted".

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Why wait until then, I have a whole bottle of Jagermeister in my fridge I might finally pop open tonight

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No - go with your first instinct and save it for next week.

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Alright then, Moscow mules in the meantime

Ron needs to go if Wilcox doesn't.

Sorry if that's distasteful Ron.

Nofado said:

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My point exactly... find a school that needs a Plug and Play QB.

He'll land on his feet just fine. We will be left in less than mediocrity for the next decade. I don't think a coaching change changes anything. Cal hasn't been a football school since Tedford.

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You just named the head coach that changed everything. Hired by men who knew exactly what they were looking for in a man coaching college aged men in a physically tough sport. There are coaching changes that can turn things around in a few years. You'll be able to tell early on. Look for tough hitting and blocking and running early on, not necessarily wins. It will show. Wilcox's teams never showed that.

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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I'm pretty sure philly was being facetious/sarcastic.

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He has been pumping Harsin as OC and then as HC all year.

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Duck is quite perceptive. If you can't tell i'm being sarcastic, then you need to take a break. But in all honesty - who is going to take over this colossal mess?

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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I'm pretty sure philly was being facetious/sarcastic.

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He has been pumping Harsin as OC and then as HC all year.

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Duck is quite perceptive. If you can't tell i'm being sarcastic, then you need to take a break. But in all honesty - who is going to take over this colossal mess?

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Tosh
DeSean

Take your pick

HOW IN HELL do you come out this flat and play THIS BADLY against a 3 - 7 team, AFTER A BYE? What the hell were they doing the past 2 weeks? I've been watching since 1968 and THIS performance is right down there near the bottom, the worst. Head-scratcher.

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bearister said:

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Ben Braun wins this game.

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This game is against Stanford, so there is no way Ben Braun would have won it.

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You know that was a joke right?

Nofado said:

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My point exactly... find a school that needs a Plug and Play QB.

He'll land on his feet just fine. We will be left in less than mediocrity for the next decade. I don't think a coaching change changes anything. Cal hasn't been a football school since Tedford.

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The Tedford years happened because we changed coaches.

82gradDLSdad said:

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Nofado said:

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My point exactly... find a school that needs a Plug and Play QB.

He'll land on his feet just fine. We will be left in less than mediocrity for the next decade. I don't think a coaching change changes anything. Cal hasn't been a football school since Tedford.

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You just named the head coach that changed everything. Hired by men who knew exactly what they were looking for in a man coaching college aged men in a physically tough sport. There are coaching changes that can turn things around in a few years. You'll be able to tell early on. Look for tough hitting and blocking and running early on, not necessarily wins. It will show. Wilcox's teams never showed that.

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The thing is we've always had a large part of our fan base and 100% of our decision makers who think you have to give a coach years of showing nothing before you can be truly sure.

2 years. You know at that point or at least can tell you are on the right track. Not saying you have to get where you want to go, but you can tell that you are on the path.

The worst thing is those people denigrate those who acknowledge this up until the 5 year point or 9 year point when they finally realize what needs to be done and they don't acknowledge or understand that just because they were too stupid to understand what was obvious doesn't mean the other people were too quick to judge. Being wrong never teaches them a lesson

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calumnus said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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I'm pretty sure philly was being facetious/sarcastic.

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He has been pumping Harsin as OC and then as HC all year.

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Duck is quite perceptive. If you can't tell i'm being sarcastic, then you need to take a break. But in all honesty - who is going to take over this colossal mess?

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There will always be young hungry coaches who want to take on a P4 program. Just hire one and roll the dice.

Please raise your hand if you want Wilcox to coach against SMU.

I don't see any hands.

Ron, act now!

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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HOW IN HELL do you come out this flat and play THIS BADLY against a 3 - 7 team, AFTER A BYE? What the hell were they doing the past 2 weeks? I've been watching since 1968 and THIS performance is right down there near the bottom, the worst. Head-scratcher.

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They were being nice to each other. Extra attaboys and positivity and extracurricular activity recognition awards. On top of coaches chatting with the crazed insiders and alums who slavishly support JW, believing, truly foolishly believing, we were finally finally "turning the corner" with a final 3-0 run building off the Louisville road win to have a winning conference record. Sweep Furd, SMU, and our bowl game to be 9-4. WOWsa. We can finally show the naysayers that see we are getting there. We told you it was just another game, season, coaching adjustment, resource enhancement, blah blah blah.

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HOW IN HELL do you come out this flat and play THIS BADLY against a 3 - 7 team, AFTER A BYE? What the hell were they doing the past 2 weeks? I've been watching since 1968 and THIS performance is right down there near the bottom, the worst. Head-scratcher.

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+1

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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What fan would have named Tedford or Bruce Snyder?

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LarsBear74 said:

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HOW IN HELL do you come out this flat and play THIS BADLY against a 3 - 7 team, AFTER A BYE? What the hell were they doing the past 2 weeks? I've been watching since 1968 and THIS performance is right down there near the bottom, the worst. Head-scratcher.

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Is it though? We were a no-show down in San Diego, and I have my own ideas about that one, but this is not exactly surprising at this point

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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Because fan boards don't hire coaches. We have guys, including one of the highest paid GM's in college football whose job it is to do a search, develop a quality list, and make a good selection.

Cal is no worse off than in most of the tragic history. People said the exact same thing when Holmoe was fired and we selected Tedford out of a very good list of candidates.

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My point exactly... find a school that needs a Plug and Play QB.

He'll land on his feet just fine. We will be left in less than mediocrity for the next decade. I don't think a coaching change changes anything. Cal hasn't been a football school since Tedford.

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You just named the head coach that changed everything. Hired by men who knew exactly what they were looking for in a man coaching college aged men in a physically tough sport. There are coaching changes that can turn things around in a few years. You'll be able to tell early on. Look for tough hitting and blocking and running early on, not necessarily wins. It will show. Wilcox's teams never showed that.

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Wilcox brought stability after Sonny Dykes, whose teams had horrific records despite scoring droves of points. Ironically, we overall have done pretty well in Big Games under Wilcox - which was something even Tedford struggled with.

"We will be left in less than mediocrity for the next decade. I don't think a coaching change changes anything."

I actually disagreed with Penn State's decision to relieve Franklin, but the Nittany Lions are finishing strong, and if they beat Rutgers they could be our Bowl opponent.

There are worse coaches than Justin Wilcox, but we are paying him a lot of money to go to a Bowl Week Bowl game roughly every other year. This year in particular, I think we could do better - either by tapping a fan favorite like DeSean Jackson, picking someone who fell off the coaching carousel that has had some reasonable success, or entering the hot assistant sweepstakes (I mean hot assistant football coach - get your mind out of the gutter). Tedford had done well at Fresno State. Tedford was an assistant in the CFL and with Oregon and Fresno State before coming to Cal.

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My point exactly... find a school that needs a Plug and Play QB.

He'll land on his feet just fine. We will be left in less than mediocrity for the next decade. I don't think a coaching change changes anything. Cal hasn't been a football school since Tedford.

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You just named the head coach that changed everything. Hired by men who knew exactly what they were looking for in a man coaching college aged men in a physically tough sport. There are coaching changes that can turn things around in a few years. You'll be able to tell early on. Look for tough hitting and blocking and running early on, not necessarily wins. It will show. Wilcox's teams never showed that.

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There are worse coaches than Justin Wilcox, but we are paying him a lot of money to go to a Bowl Week Bowl game roughly every other year. This year in particular, I think we could do better - either by tapping a fan favorite like DeSean Jackson, picking someone who fell off the coaching carousel that has had some reasonable success, or entering the hot assistant sweepstakes (I mean hot assistant football coach - get your mind out of the gutter). Tedford had done well at Fresno State. Tedford was an assistant in the CFL and with Oregon and Fresno State before coming to Cal.

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Have a drink or two because anything is better than what Wilcox has done after 9 seasons, and with the least demanding schedule in program history plus a 5 star QB, still managed to completely **** it up

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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Sonny Dykes came here and he's from a prominent Texas coaching lineage. And he didn't just come west - he came to hippie dippy Berzerkeley. Why? He likes money. Offer enough and we'll get takers.

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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ducktilldeath said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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philly1121 said:

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sycasey said:

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Well, at least this will put the nail in Wilcox's coffin.

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Really? Wilcox is the Rasputin of college football.

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I don't think the donors will stand for a loss to Furd, especially THIS Furd team, and especially while playing a sloppy game like this. He's gotta be gone.

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The donors? Who are they and how much do they give? I mean, if Calumnus is correct, there are no "whale donors". And if they've tolerated this for 8+ years, whats one loss to Stanfurd? I mean, I agree with you but, there's no one game that's gonna decide this. Especially since Rivera is on the sidelines "observing" Wilcox in action. Thank God he's there. lol

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It's pretty obvious that the donor base was getting frustrated, given that Knowlton was pushed out and Rivera given full control after a revolt by the donors. So yes, we have donors with influence.

It's not just one game. Are you familiar with what the term "nail in the coffin" means? How about "last straw"? Heard of that one? That's what I'm talking about here.

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Ok. So when do they pull the trigger? Before the meaningless bowl game or after?

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You can't fire a coach after a bowl game, who are you going to get at that point? And there's no runway for whoever is hired to do anything in the portal.

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Bryan Harsin. haven't you been paying attention? He's got that Boise State pedigree. That's why we hired him.

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Blew up Auburn's offense, blew up our offense. #111 offense going into this game where we have scored 10 against a horrible Stanford team. Only Stanford was a worse rushing offense in FBS and they look 100% better than us.

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And? Who's gonna come coach for us? Who is going to be willing to coach amidst the indifference that is Cal?

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"Who could we get!?!" is a dumb ass fan cliche.

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All of you want him gone, yet you cannot name one person who we might offer. The question still stands - who would come here? Name one, quacker.

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Tosh.

Also if Wilcox is the best we can do, shut the program down. It's not going to generate enough money to be worth keeping open.

But it's not the best we can do. Anyone with any sense can see that. So what is the point of these "there is nothing better" posts?

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You've clearly blacked out the Holmoe years, but it's the worst I've seen in at least a decade.

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This was as bad as anything in the Holmoe era.