upsetof86 said:

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jamonit said:

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upsetof86 said:

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MTbear22 said:

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philly1121 said:

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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I don't know about you but if my wife fkd me over 15 years ago I might forgive but I certainly wouldn't marry her again AND not have her sign a prenup, which she would never sign hence we would never re marry because it would not be about re-marrying " me."

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Again, so dramatic. You don't have to make up scenarios different than the one that it is. The scenario is you have a great employee. You treated him not great, he got offered more money at a better company, and you didn't counter. You then blame him for leaving and taking some of his clients with him which hurt your business. He goes and continues to be very successful. He was a great employee for you. Your company is struggling. You go and hire him because he is a good employee that can hopefully help your business. That is all this is.

I can see how your scenario though would be upsetting. You blame your wife for you treating her like crap and her leaving and taking the kids because you didn't value her enough. Then she becomes even better looking and more successful. She wants you back even though she shouldn't after all the hate you have given her over the years blaming her for your short comings. Your ego is to bruised to realize it was your fault she left you and you don't want her back. Even though she was so good for you and could be again. The Drama... this is like a day time show.

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If you steal clients you get sued. Its not ego bruising its about a real loss, it is also about trust. In your world the rules of the game are fluid and opposing this hire is to be ignorant - to fit your agenda about what happened 15 years ago - an injustice to Tosh, the loss of Tosh was Tedfords fault because he didn't like being upstaged by the true engine of his success. This long awaited (too long awaited) hiring cycle finally arrives where we had myriad good choices, but of course we use it to cure your (many here) old grudge against "Tedford's mishandling" of that moment. It is the real grudge behind this hiring, and I believe it is misguided.

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Actually, you only get sued if that is in your contract. Most companies have failsafe in place for things like that. When you sign on at most employers, they have wording in your contract to protect them. Some even have "do not complete" clauses and such. However, in college football there is no such thing. Who cares about 15 years ago. I don't even care about last year. I care about the future. Recruiting is the life blood of college football. Tosh is one of the best recruiters out there. He also has a top 5 defense in all of college football. He has coached under some great minds. He is a great hire despite how upset we all are about how he left. Yes, Tedford is probably why he left and we lost recruits. It happened so what. Tedford is gone. All the recruits of that time are gone. What do we want for the future? Tosh has risk for not being a HC before, BUT he also will hugely upgrade our weakest area... We don't have the jimmy's and the joe's... He is exactly who you hire and in fact if his name wasn't Tosh you would LOVE this hire. A DC who is running one of the best defenses in the nation and has for a long time plus a top-notch recruiter. It isn't my grudge that is keeping me from liking this hire. I let that go a long time ago.

Maybe I'm misremembering here but I seem to recall that there were photos of Tosh holding up a card (purple card) right before a defensive lineman would take a dive. I think this is why Tosh ended up being the fall guy from Injurygate. Tosh wasn't picked at random to be the fall guy. With that said, Tedford could've owned it or we could've just stonewalled altogether. It wouldn't have surprised me if Barbour felt like we had to take ownership over it.

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upsetof86 said:

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jamonit said:

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upsetof86 said:

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philly1121 said:

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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I don't know about you but if my wife fkd me over 15 years ago I might forgive but I certainly wouldn't marry her again AND not have her sign a prenup, which she would never sign hence we would never re marry because it would not be about re-marrying " me."

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Again, so dramatic. You don't have to make up scenarios different than the one that it is. The scenario is you have a great employee. You treated him not great, he got offered more money at a better company, and you didn't counter. You then blame him for leaving and taking some of his clients with him which hurt your business. He goes and continues to be very successful. He was a great employee for you. Your company is struggling. You go and hire him because he is a good employee that can hopefully help your business. That is all this is.

I can see how your scenario though would be upsetting. You blame your wife for you treating her like crap and her leaving and taking the kids because you didn't value her enough. Then she becomes even better looking and more successful. She wants you back even though she shouldn't after all the hate you have given her over the years blaming her for your short comings. Your ego is to bruised to realize it was your fault she left you and you don't want her back. Even though she was so good for you and could be again. The Drama... this is like a day time show.

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If you steal clients you get sued. Its not ego bruising its about a real loss, it is also about trust. In your world the rules of the game are fluid and opposing this hire is to be ignorant - to fit your agenda about what happened 15 years ago - an injustice to Tosh, the loss of Tosh was Tedfords fault because he didn't like being upstaged by the true engine of his success. This long awaited (too long awaited) hiring cycle finally arrives where we had myriad good choices, but of course we use it to cure your (many here) old grudge against "Tedford's mishandling" of that moment. It is the real grudge behind this hiring, and I believe it is misguided.

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Actually, you only get sued if that is in your contract. Most companies have failsafe in place for things like that. When you sign on at most employers, they have wording in your contract to protect them. Some even have "do not complete" clauses and such. However, in college football there is no such thing. Who cares about 15 years ago. I don't even care about last year. I care about the future. Recruiting is the life blood of college football. Tosh is one of the best recruiters out there. He also has a top 5 defense in all of college football. He has coached under some great minds. He is a great hire despite how upset we all are about how he left. Yes, Tedford is probably why he left and we lost recruits. It happened so what. Tedford is gone. All the recruits of that time are gone. What do we want for the future? Tosh has risk for not being a HC before, BUT he also will hugely upgrade our weakest area... We don't have the jimmy's and the joe's... He is exactly who you hire and in fact if his name wasn't Tosh you would LOVE this hire. A DC who is running one of the best defenses in the nation and has for a long time plus a top-notch recruiter. It isn't my grudge that is keeping me from liking this hire. I let that go a long time ago.

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I would even say that it was less about Tedford and more about the school getting stingy about paying assistant coaches. At a serious program we would have ponied up to pay Tosh whatever it took to keep him and not let Washington poach him and destroy our recruiting class.

So: if Tosh comes in with a lot of guarantees about NIL and assistant salaries and whatnot (as has been reported in some places), then that's good and an indication that Cal is actually serious this time. If he takes those resources and wins, then all will be forgiven. If not? I hope we're ready to move on a lot faster than we did from Wilcox.

I haven't made up my mind about Tosh, and it wouldn't matter anyway.

Here's my 2 cents worth:

Tosh was, what?, 26 years old at the time? It was well over 10 years ago. I don't know about you, but I can guarantee you I've changed in the last 10 years, and I'm in my 70s. Sales people change jobs and bring customers to their new gig all the time. And I don't know the whole story........do you? All of it?

I see (and hear) former teammates and coaches who have had him on their staff or had him as a teammate talk in great verbiage about how well suited he is for a HC job. He's proven himself as a good defensive coach. He recruits very well. And as I recall, when he was a player at Cal, he indicated he loved Cal. Many say he still does, and looks back at his time in Berkeley very fondly.

I admit, I'd like to hear his side of the story in its entirety. And I'd like to hear him show some sort of remorse for what happened, whether his fault or not. It would make me feel a whole lot more confident about the possibility of his becoming the Bears HC.

But as I stated before, he was very young, and making decisions as a very young man. The decisions I made at his age were pretty bad....in some cases very bad. But I'm making better decisions as a 73 year old than I did as a 63 year old. People and situations evolve. And as a Christian man, I'm learning the power of forgiveness (even though I'm not near as good at it as I should be).

So I have limited knowledge of the prior situation, haven't heard the man's side of the story, and have to make my own personal judgement based on the little I know, and the life things I have experienced.

My preference doesn't have any impact anyway. But if Cal hires Tosh, based on what others with far better knowledge and understanding of the past and current situation than I do think, then I'm OK with it, and darned near enthused.....and will become enthused. I want whoever it may be to succeed. That's the result I/we all need.

He was 30 when he bailed to UW.

Simple argument:

Who has done better in college football since Tosh left?
Tosh or Cal?

We all know the answer.

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Simple argument:

Who has done better in college football since Tosh left?
Tosh or Cal?

We all know the answer.

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Pretty low bar, any coach above .500 qualifies.

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jamonit said:

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MTbear22 said:

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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I don't know about you but if my wife fkd me over 15 years ago I might forgive but I certainly wouldn't marry her again AND not have her sign a prenup, which she would never sign hence we would never re marry because it would not be about re-marrying " me."

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Again, so dramatic. You don't have to make up scenarios different than the one that it is. The scenario is you have a great employee. You treated him not great, he got offered more money at a better company, and you didn't counter. You then blame him for leaving and taking some of his clients with him which hurt your business. He goes and continues to be very successful. He was a great employee for you. Your company is struggling. You go and hire him because he is a good employee that can hopefully help your business. That is all this is.

I can see how your scenario though would be upsetting. You blame your wife for you treating her like crap and her leaving and taking the kids because you didn't value her enough. Then she becomes even better looking and more successful. She wants you back even though she shouldn't after all the hate you have given her over the years blaming her for your short comings. Your ego is to bruised to realize it was your fault she left you and you don't want her back. Even though she was so good for you and could be again. The Drama... this is like a day time show.

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If you steal clients you get sued. Its not ego bruising its about a real loss, it is also about trust. In your world the rules of the game are fluid and opposing this hire is to be ignorant - to fit your agenda about what happened 15 years ago - an injustice to Tosh, the loss of Tosh was Tedfords fault because he didn't like being upstaged by the true engine of his success. This long awaited (too long awaited) hiring cycle finally arrives where we had myriad good choices, but of course we use it to cure your (many here) old grudge against "Tedford's mishandling" of that moment. It is the real grudge behind this hiring, and I believe it is misguided.

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What are you talking about? Every single sales rep tries their best to take their customers with them when they join a new company

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Maybe I'm misremembering here but I seem to recall that there were photos of Tosh holding up a card (purple card) right before a defensive lineman would take a dive. I think this is why Tosh ended up being the fall guy from Injurygate. Tosh wasn't picked at random to be the fall guy. With that said, Tedford could've owned it or we could've just stonewalled altogether. It wouldn't have surprised me if Barbour felt like we had to take ownership over it.

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InjuryGate shouldn't even be a thing. Tosh took the fall because he was the lowest man on the totem pole. That should've been a feather in his cap, like taking a bullet that was meant for his boss. Good soldier. Most all the college coaches know what's going on in most of the other programs. InjuryGate probably made Tosh more hirable.

The bigger issue is him deciding to leave and then recruiting for UW while we were paying him to do a home visit... for us.

I am fine with him returning though. Everybody makes mistakes.

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Because the reason he left was he had more character than coach Tedford who flunked so many students that we became the laughing stock of the country. He was selling African American 5 star kids lies and he no longer wanted to be apart. This was preceded by Tedford lying and making him take the fall for illegal delay tactics against Chip Kelley and Oregon'

P.S.
You're wrong again, Shaq came onto this site and said he didn't like how we talked about Tosh after he left and he was deco mitting. You took it as his fault. Shaq said it was you're fault.
Anything else you ant me to prove you're wrong about?

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I would like you to actually prove something.

Shaq's reason for not coming to Cal was well known, he didn't like that Northside top dog was a pizza place, and was livid that the Lakeshore location would close only 13 years later.

Anything else you want me to prove you wrong about?

SELL YOUR SOUL LMFAO

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jamonit said:

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upsetof86 said:

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jamonit said:

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upsetof86 said:

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MTbear22 said:

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philly1121 said:

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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I don't know about you but if my wife fkd me over 15 years ago I might forgive but I certainly wouldn't marry her again AND not have her sign a prenup, which she would never sign hence we would never re marry because it would not be about re-marrying " me."

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Again, so dramatic. You don't have to make up scenarios different than the one that it is. The scenario is you have a great employee. You treated him not great, he got offered more money at a better company, and you didn't counter. You then blame him for leaving and taking some of his clients with him which hurt your business. He goes and continues to be very successful. He was a great employee for you. Your company is struggling. You go and hire him because he is a good employee that can hopefully help your business. That is all this is.

I can see how your scenario though would be upsetting. You blame your wife for you treating her like crap and her leaving and taking the kids because you didn't value her enough. Then she becomes even better looking and more successful. She wants you back even though she shouldn't after all the hate you have given her over the years blaming her for your short comings. Your ego is to bruised to realize it was your fault she left you and you don't want her back. Even though she was so good for you and could be again. The Drama... this is like a day time show.

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If you steal clients you get sued. Its not ego bruising its about a real loss, it is also about trust. In your world the rules of the game are fluid and opposing this hire is to be ignorant - to fit your agenda about what happened 15 years ago - an injustice to Tosh, the loss of Tosh was Tedfords fault because he didn't like being upstaged by the true engine of his success. This long awaited (too long awaited) hiring cycle finally arrives where we had myriad good choices, but of course we use it to cure your (many here) old grudge against "Tedford's mishandling" of that moment. It is the real grudge behind this hiring, and I believe it is misguided.

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Actually, you only get sued if that is in your contract. Most companies have failsafe in place for things like that. When you sign on at most employers, they have wording in your contract to protect them. Some even have "do not complete" clauses and such. However, in college football there is no such thing. Who cares about 15 years ago. I don't even care about last year. I care about the future. Recruiting is the life blood of college football. Tosh is one of the best recruiters out there. He also has a top 5 defense in all of college football. He has coached under some great minds. He is a great hire despite how upset we all are about how he left. Yes, Tedford is probably why he left and we lost recruits. It happened so what. Tedford is gone. All the recruits of that time are gone. What do we want for the future? Tosh has risk for not being a HC before, BUT he also will hugely upgrade our weakest area... We don't have the jimmy's and the joe's... He is exactly who you hire and in fact if his name wasn't Tosh you would LOVE this hire. A DC who is running one of the best defenses in the nation and has for a long time plus a top-notch recruiter. It isn't my grudge that is keeping me from liking this hire. I let that go a long time ago.

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I would even say that it was less about Tedford and more about the school getting stingy about paying assistant coaches. At a serious program we would have ponied up to pay Tosh whatever it took to keep him and not let Washington poach him and destroy our recruiting class.

So: if Tosh comes in with a lot of guarantees about NIL and assistant salaries and whatnot (as has been reported in some places), then that's good and an indication that Cal is actually serious this time. If he takes those resources and wins, then all will be forgiven. If not? I hope we're ready to move on a lot faster than we did from Wilcox.

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It is also about Tedford negotiating for a top salary for himself, and for facilities but not for a staff budget and instead trying to do it all himself and micromanage. Unfortunately likely a big part of what lead to his health issues.

There is not an unlimited supply of money for football. Head coach salary, staff salary and now player NIL all come out of the same pool.

That is why I really hope Tosh is not playing hardball trying to get a huge salary for himself at the cost of a staff and NIL budget. If he is as smart and strategic as we all hope he is, he will take a modest increase over his current salary and be playing hardball to increase the staff and NIL budget. That will ensure his run at Cal is successful and in the long run will earn him far more money than if drives for a high salary for himself in the short run.

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jamonit said:

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upsetof86 said:

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jamonit said:

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upsetof86 said:

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MTbear22 said:

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philly1121 said:

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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I don't know about you but if my wife fkd me over 15 years ago I might forgive but I certainly wouldn't marry her again AND not have her sign a prenup, which she would never sign hence we would never re marry because it would not be about re-marrying " me."

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Again, so dramatic. You don't have to make up scenarios different than the one that it is. The scenario is you have a great employee. You treated him not great, he got offered more money at a better company, and you didn't counter. You then blame him for leaving and taking some of his clients with him which hurt your business. He goes and continues to be very successful. He was a great employee for you. Your company is struggling. You go and hire him because he is a good employee that can hopefully help your business. That is all this is.

I can see how your scenario though would be upsetting. You blame your wife for you treating her like crap and her leaving and taking the kids because you didn't value her enough. Then she becomes even better looking and more successful. She wants you back even though she shouldn't after all the hate you have given her over the years blaming her for your short comings. Your ego is to bruised to realize it was your fault she left you and you don't want her back. Even though she was so good for you and could be again. The Drama... this is like a day time show.

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If you steal clients you get sued. Its not ego bruising its about a real loss, it is also about trust. In your world the rules of the game are fluid and opposing this hire is to be ignorant - to fit your agenda about what happened 15 years ago - an injustice to Tosh, the loss of Tosh was Tedfords fault because he didn't like being upstaged by the true engine of his success. This long awaited (too long awaited) hiring cycle finally arrives where we had myriad good choices, but of course we use it to cure your (many here) old grudge against "Tedford's mishandling" of that moment. It is the real grudge behind this hiring, and I believe it is misguided.

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Actually, you only get sued if that is in your contract. Most companies have failsafe in place for things like that. When you sign on at most employers, they have wording in your contract to protect them. Some even have "do not complete" clauses and such. However, in college football there is no such thing. Who cares about 15 years ago. I don't even care about last year. I care about the future. Recruiting is the life blood of college football. Tosh is one of the best recruiters out there. He also has a top 5 defense in all of college football. He has coached under some great minds. He is a great hire despite how upset we all are about how he left. Yes, Tedford is probably why he left and we lost recruits. It happened so what. Tedford is gone. All the recruits of that time are gone. What do we want for the future? Tosh has risk for not being a HC before, BUT he also will hugely upgrade our weakest area... We don't have the jimmy's and the joe's... He is exactly who you hire and in fact if his name wasn't Tosh you would LOVE this hire. A DC who is running one of the best defenses in the nation and has for a long time plus a top-notch recruiter. It isn't my grudge that is keeping me from liking this hire. I let that go a long time ago.

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I would even say that it was less about Tedford and more about the school getting stingy about paying assistant coaches. At a serious program we would have ponied up to pay Tosh whatever it took to keep him and not let Washington poach him and destroy our recruiting class.

So: if Tosh comes in with a lot of guarantees about NIL and assistant salaries and whatnot (as has been reported in some places), then that's good and an indication that Cal is actually serious this time. If he takes those resources and wins, then all will be forgiven. If not? I hope we're ready to move on a lot faster than we did from Wilcox.

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did Cal promise him more money or did he just think that he was worth more? If the latter and it was that important to him, he should just have moved on. Taking a pound of flesh with him was unprof, at best.

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MTbear22 said:

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philly1121 said:

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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No, its because you're desperate. You're looking for the Hail Mary. The last despairing pass before the lights go out. So you sell your soul. If you still have one.

Honestly, I don't really care. Hire him. I just have to call out hypocrisy when I see it. Scorn, derision, ire, jealousy, contempt for 13 years. And now, you're hoping he "chooses" us. Its delicious.

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No, it's because it's the right hire for us. There is nothing "desperate" about going after who was widely viewed as the top candidate. You are comically delusional. And if you're still that butthurt about 15 years ago, then as Pawlawski said on his last podcast, "Get over it." AKA, grow up.

From a prior post of mine on another thread:

There has been a lot of chatter about what happened with Tosh, but nothing direct from the participants, so who knows. Hearsay without named sources is weak sauce, whether it is Moraga or a guy named TonyTiger claiming some indirect, but unsourced knowledge. Until we hear from Shaq Thompson, his parents, Tedford, Lupoi, and others with direct knowledge, all we have is chatter.

But to me, it isn't the allegation that he bolted at an inopportune time, or that after he left he wooed players that he had previously recruited for Cal. It is that he allegedly recruited Shaq Thompson--a 5 star--to go to Washington, before he resigned from Cal, while on Cal's payroll, and while on a trip paid by Cal. If it happened, that is a loathsome, dirty low down--lower than a snake's belly--kind of betrayal, and a clear breach of fiduciary duty as well. Like your girlfriend cheated on you, but also tricked you into paying for dinner and the hotel room for her night with her lover. That's hard to come back from.

I have pretty much stopped caring at this point with NIL, portal, and all that. Loyalty means nothing anymore, as now further exemplified by hiring the Great Betrayer. That's fine I suppose. It is all about winning now. I will pay attention when the team wins and won't when they lose. That is the price to be paid when it all becomes mercenary. Just win baby!

Rushinbear said:

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sycasey said:

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jamonit said:

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upsetof86 said:

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jamonit said:

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upsetof86 said:

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MTbear22 said:

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philly1121 said:

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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I don't know about you but if my wife fkd me over 15 years ago I might forgive but I certainly wouldn't marry her again AND not have her sign a prenup, which she would never sign hence we would never re marry because it would not be about re-marrying " me."

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Again, so dramatic. You don't have to make up scenarios different than the one that it is. The scenario is you have a great employee. You treated him not great, he got offered more money at a better company, and you didn't counter. You then blame him for leaving and taking some of his clients with him which hurt your business. He goes and continues to be very successful. He was a great employee for you. Your company is struggling. You go and hire him because he is a good employee that can hopefully help your business. That is all this is.

I can see how your scenario though would be upsetting. You blame your wife for you treating her like crap and her leaving and taking the kids because you didn't value her enough. Then she becomes even better looking and more successful. She wants you back even though she shouldn't after all the hate you have given her over the years blaming her for your short comings. Your ego is to bruised to realize it was your fault she left you and you don't want her back. Even though she was so good for you and could be again. The Drama... this is like a day time show.

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If you steal clients you get sued. Its not ego bruising its about a real loss, it is also about trust. In your world the rules of the game are fluid and opposing this hire is to be ignorant - to fit your agenda about what happened 15 years ago - an injustice to Tosh, the loss of Tosh was Tedfords fault because he didn't like being upstaged by the true engine of his success. This long awaited (too long awaited) hiring cycle finally arrives where we had myriad good choices, but of course we use it to cure your (many here) old grudge against "Tedford's mishandling" of that moment. It is the real grudge behind this hiring, and I believe it is misguided.

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Actually, you only get sued if that is in your contract. Most companies have failsafe in place for things like that. When you sign on at most employers, they have wording in your contract to protect them. Some even have "do not complete" clauses and such. However, in college football there is no such thing. Who cares about 15 years ago. I don't even care about last year. I care about the future. Recruiting is the life blood of college football. Tosh is one of the best recruiters out there. He also has a top 5 defense in all of college football. He has coached under some great minds. He is a great hire despite how upset we all are about how he left. Yes, Tedford is probably why he left and we lost recruits. It happened so what. Tedford is gone. All the recruits of that time are gone. What do we want for the future? Tosh has risk for not being a HC before, BUT he also will hugely upgrade our weakest area... We don't have the jimmy's and the joe's... He is exactly who you hire and in fact if his name wasn't Tosh you would LOVE this hire. A DC who is running one of the best defenses in the nation and has for a long time plus a top-notch recruiter. It isn't my grudge that is keeping me from liking this hire. I let that go a long time ago.

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I would even say that it was less about Tedford and more about the school getting stingy about paying assistant coaches. At a serious program we would have ponied up to pay Tosh whatever it took to keep him and not let Washington poach him and destroy our recruiting class.

So: if Tosh comes in with a lot of guarantees about NIL and assistant salaries and whatnot (as has been reported in some places), then that's good and an indication that Cal is actually serious this time. If he takes those resources and wins, then all will be forgiven. If not? I hope we're ready to move on a lot faster than we did from Wilcox.

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did Cal promise him more money or did he just think that he was worth more? If the latter and it was that important to him, he should just have moved on. Taking a pound of flesh with him was unprof, at best.

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No I don't think Cal promised him more money than Washington. I agree that him recruiting against Cal while still on the payroll was very unprofessional and shady. Hopefully he has learned from that.

sycasey said:

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Rushinbear said:

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sycasey said:

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jamonit said:

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upsetof86 said:

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jamonit said:

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upsetof86 said:

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MTbear22 said:

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philly1121 said:

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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I don't know about you but if my wife fkd me over 15 years ago I might forgive but I certainly wouldn't marry her again AND not have her sign a prenup, which she would never sign hence we would never re marry because it would not be about re-marrying " me."

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Again, so dramatic. You don't have to make up scenarios different than the one that it is. The scenario is you have a great employee. You treated him not great, he got offered more money at a better company, and you didn't counter. You then blame him for leaving and taking some of his clients with him which hurt your business. He goes and continues to be very successful. He was a great employee for you. Your company is struggling. You go and hire him because he is a good employee that can hopefully help your business. That is all this is.

I can see how your scenario though would be upsetting. You blame your wife for you treating her like crap and her leaving and taking the kids because you didn't value her enough. Then she becomes even better looking and more successful. She wants you back even though she shouldn't after all the hate you have given her over the years blaming her for your short comings. Your ego is to bruised to realize it was your fault she left you and you don't want her back. Even though she was so good for you and could be again. The Drama... this is like a day time show.

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If you steal clients you get sued. Its not ego bruising its about a real loss, it is also about trust. In your world the rules of the game are fluid and opposing this hire is to be ignorant - to fit your agenda about what happened 15 years ago - an injustice to Tosh, the loss of Tosh was Tedfords fault because he didn't like being upstaged by the true engine of his success. This long awaited (too long awaited) hiring cycle finally arrives where we had myriad good choices, but of course we use it to cure your (many here) old grudge against "Tedford's mishandling" of that moment. It is the real grudge behind this hiring, and I believe it is misguided.

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Actually, you only get sued if that is in your contract. Most companies have failsafe in place for things like that. When you sign on at most employers, they have wording in your contract to protect them. Some even have "do not complete" clauses and such. However, in college football there is no such thing. Who cares about 15 years ago. I don't even care about last year. I care about the future. Recruiting is the life blood of college football. Tosh is one of the best recruiters out there. He also has a top 5 defense in all of college football. He has coached under some great minds. He is a great hire despite how upset we all are about how he left. Yes, Tedford is probably why he left and we lost recruits. It happened so what. Tedford is gone. All the recruits of that time are gone. What do we want for the future? Tosh has risk for not being a HC before, BUT he also will hugely upgrade our weakest area... We don't have the jimmy's and the joe's... He is exactly who you hire and in fact if his name wasn't Tosh you would LOVE this hire. A DC who is running one of the best defenses in the nation and has for a long time plus a top-notch recruiter. It isn't my grudge that is keeping me from liking this hire. I let that go a long time ago.

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I would even say that it was less about Tedford and more about the school getting stingy about paying assistant coaches. At a serious program we would have ponied up to pay Tosh whatever it took to keep him and not let Washington poach him and destroy our recruiting class.

So: if Tosh comes in with a lot of guarantees about NIL and assistant salaries and whatnot (as has been reported in some places), then that's good and an indication that Cal is actually serious this time. If he takes those resources and wins, then all will be forgiven. If not? I hope we're ready to move on a lot faster than we did from Wilcox.

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did Cal promise him more money or did he just think that he was worth more? If the latter and it was that important to him, he should just have moved on. Taking a pound of flesh with him was unprof, at best.

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No I don't think Cal promised him more money than Washington. I agree that him recruiting against Cal while still on the payroll was very unprofessional and shady. Hopefully he has learned from that.

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Not only recruiting to his new job, but blowing up Cal's recruiting class by reportedly telling recruits "anywhere but Cal" as most of them did not end up signing with UW.

But as I've said, Wilcox was Tosh's new boss, was aware of what he was doing, pretty clearly was willing to profit from it and yet Wilcox was loved by most of the people who can't forgive Tosh.

I just think it means Tosh does not "love" Cal as much as his biggest lobbyists claim. He has an ego. Many successful head coaches do. We are not getting "a good moral man" we are getting a cut-throat, win at all cost opportunist who loves Cal like Jonathan Smith loved Oregon State. He will do everything he can to win at Cal because it is the best thing for his alma mater AND the best thing for his career and I am fine with that. He just better win because if he doesn't I doubt he gets nine years to try like Wilcox did just because he was well liked. He is starting with hope and well wishes, but not a lot of good will,

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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I don't know about you but if my wife fkd me over 15 years ago I might forgive but I certainly wouldn't marry her again AND not have her sign a prenup, which she would never sign hence we would never re marry because it would not be about re-marrying " me."

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Again, so dramatic. You don't have to make up scenarios different than the one that it is. The scenario is you have a great employee. You treated him not great, he got offered more money at a better company, and you didn't counter. You then blame him for leaving and taking some of his clients with him which hurt your business. He goes and continues to be very successful. He was a great employee for you. Your company is struggling. You go and hire him because he is a good employee that can hopefully help your business. That is all this is.

I can see how your scenario though would be upsetting. You blame your wife for you treating her like crap and her leaving and taking the kids because you didn't value her enough. Then she becomes even better looking and more successful. She wants you back even though she shouldn't after all the hate you have given her over the years blaming her for your short comings. Your ego is to bruised to realize it was your fault she left you and you don't want her back. Even though she was so good for you and could be again. The Drama... this is like a day time show.

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If you steal clients you get sued. Its not ego bruising its about a real loss, it is also about trust. In your world the rules of the game are fluid and opposing this hire is to be ignorant - to fit your agenda about what happened 15 years ago - an injustice to Tosh, the loss of Tosh was Tedfords fault because he didn't like being upstaged by the true engine of his success. This long awaited (too long awaited) hiring cycle finally arrives where we had myriad good choices, but of course we use it to cure your (many here) old grudge against "Tedford's mishandling" of that moment. It is the real grudge behind this hiring, and I believe it is misguided.

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Actually, you only get sued if that is in your contract. Most companies have failsafe in place for things like that. When you sign on at most employers, they have wording in your contract to protect them. Some even have "do not complete" clauses and such. However, in college football there is no such thing. Who cares about 15 years ago. I don't even care about last year. I care about the future. Recruiting is the life blood of college football. Tosh is one of the best recruiters out there. He also has a top 5 defense in all of college football. He has coached under some great minds. He is a great hire despite how upset we all are about how he left. Yes, Tedford is probably why he left and we lost recruits. It happened so what. Tedford is gone. All the recruits of that time are gone. What do we want for the future? Tosh has risk for not being a HC before, BUT he also will hugely upgrade our weakest area... We don't have the jimmy's and the joe's... He is exactly who you hire and in fact if his name wasn't Tosh you would LOVE this hire. A DC who is running one of the best defenses in the nation and has for a long time plus a top-notch recruiter. It isn't my grudge that is keeping me from liking this hire. I let that go a long time ago.

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I would even say that it was less about Tedford and more about the school getting stingy about paying assistant coaches. At a serious program we would have ponied up to pay Tosh whatever it took to keep him and not let Washington poach him and destroy our recruiting class.

So: if Tosh comes in with a lot of guarantees about NIL and assistant salaries and whatnot (as has been reported in some places), then that's good and an indication that Cal is actually serious this time. If he takes those resources and wins, then all will be forgiven. If not? I hope we're ready to move on a lot faster than we did from Wilcox.

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did Cal promise him more money or did he just think that he was worth more? If the latter and it was that important to him, he should just have moved on. Taking a pound of flesh with him was unprof, at best.

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No I don't think Cal promised him more money than Washington. I agree that him recruiting against Cal while still on the payroll was very unprofessional and shady. Hopefully he has learned from that.

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Not only recruiting to his new job, but blowing up Cal's recruiting class by reportedly telling recruits "anywhere but Cal" as most of them did not end up signing with UW.

But as I've said, Wilcox was Tosh's new boss, was aware of what he was doing, pretty clearly was willing to profit from it and yet Wilcox was loved by most of the people who can't forgive Tosh.

I just think it means Tosh does not "love" Cal as much as his biggest lobbyists claim. He has an ego. Many successful head coaches do. We are not getting "a good moral man" we are getting a cut-throat, win at all cost opportunist who loves Cal like Jonathan Smith loved Oregon State. He will do everything he can to win at Cal because it is the best thing for his alma mater AND the best thing for his career.

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Of course. I'm sure Tosh will be happy to return to Cal . . . if it looks like he has a good opportunity to win and build his own career as well. If we are providing that opportunity, then it's a good deal for both sides.

It will be like the Montgomery situation. Tosh may be an @$$h@le….but if we hire him and he wins, he will be our @$$h@le and we will revere him.

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Why do Cal fans want Tosh after what he did to us in 2014?

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Who was the second choice or is there even one?

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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I want the @CalBand and @caldanceteam and @Oski to greet Tosh Lupoi on the Oakland Tarmac like we’re an SEC school

— Ghost (@GhostofGarbers) December 3, 2025

The Calgorithm needs to make this happen.

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sycasey said:

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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I don't know about you but if my wife fkd me over 15 years ago I might forgive but I certainly wouldn't marry her again AND not have her sign a prenup, which she would never sign hence we would never re marry because it would not be about re-marrying " me."

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Again, so dramatic. You don't have to make up scenarios different than the one that it is. The scenario is you have a great employee. You treated him not great, he got offered more money at a better company, and you didn't counter. You then blame him for leaving and taking some of his clients with him which hurt your business. He goes and continues to be very successful. He was a great employee for you. Your company is struggling. You go and hire him because he is a good employee that can hopefully help your business. That is all this is.

I can see how your scenario though would be upsetting. You blame your wife for you treating her like crap and her leaving and taking the kids because you didn't value her enough. Then she becomes even better looking and more successful. She wants you back even though she shouldn't after all the hate you have given her over the years blaming her for your short comings. Your ego is to bruised to realize it was your fault she left you and you don't want her back. Even though she was so good for you and could be again. The Drama... this is like a day time show.

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If you steal clients you get sued. Its not ego bruising its about a real loss, it is also about trust. In your world the rules of the game are fluid and opposing this hire is to be ignorant - to fit your agenda about what happened 15 years ago - an injustice to Tosh, the loss of Tosh was Tedfords fault because he didn't like being upstaged by the true engine of his success. This long awaited (too long awaited) hiring cycle finally arrives where we had myriad good choices, but of course we use it to cure your (many here) old grudge against "Tedford's mishandling" of that moment. It is the real grudge behind this hiring, and I believe it is misguided.

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Actually, you only get sued if that is in your contract. Most companies have failsafe in place for things like that. When you sign on at most employers, they have wording in your contract to protect them. Some even have "do not complete" clauses and such. However, in college football there is no such thing. Who cares about 15 years ago. I don't even care about last year. I care about the future. Recruiting is the life blood of college football. Tosh is one of the best recruiters out there. He also has a top 5 defense in all of college football. He has coached under some great minds. He is a great hire despite how upset we all are about how he left. Yes, Tedford is probably why he left and we lost recruits. It happened so what. Tedford is gone. All the recruits of that time are gone. What do we want for the future? Tosh has risk for not being a HC before, BUT he also will hugely upgrade our weakest area... We don't have the jimmy's and the joe's... He is exactly who you hire and in fact if his name wasn't Tosh you would LOVE this hire. A DC who is running one of the best defenses in the nation and has for a long time plus a top-notch recruiter. It isn't my grudge that is keeping me from liking this hire. I let that go a long time ago.

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I would even say that it was less about Tedford and more about the school getting stingy about paying assistant coaches. At a serious program we would have ponied up to pay Tosh whatever it took to keep him and not let Washington poach him and destroy our recruiting class.

So: if Tosh comes in with a lot of guarantees about NIL and assistant salaries and whatnot (as has been reported in some places), then that's good and an indication that Cal is actually serious this time. If he takes those resources and wins, then all will be forgiven. If not? I hope we're ready to move on a lot faster than we did from Wilcox.

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did Cal promise him more money or did he just think that he was worth more? If the latter and it was that important to him, he should just have moved on. Taking a pound of flesh with him was unprof, at best.

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No I don't think Cal promised him more money than Washington. I agree that him recruiting against Cal while still on the payroll was very unprofessional and shady. Hopefully he has learned from that.

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Not only recruiting to his new job, but blowing up Cal's recruiting class by reportedly telling recruits "anywhere but Cal" as most of them did not end up signing with UW.

But as I've said, Wilcox was Tosh's new boss, was aware of what he was doing, pretty clearly was willing to profit from it and yet Wilcox was loved by most of the people who can't forgive Tosh.

I just think it means Tosh does not "love" Cal as much as his biggest lobbyists claim. He has an ego. Many successful head coaches do. We are not getting "a good moral man" we are getting a cut-throat, win at all cost opportunist who loves Cal like Jonathan Smith loved Oregon State. He will do everything he can to win at Cal because it is the best thing for his alma mater AND the best thing for his career and I am fine with that. He just better win because if he doesn't I doubt he gets nine years to try like Wilcox did just because he was well liked. He is starting with hope and well wishes, but not a lot of good will,

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Thinking back to the how things were back then, I remember how USC got hit with sanctions during the / right after the Pete Carroll era because of the Reggie Bush scandal. At Cal, Tedford had a big problem with APR and student grades. Dykes had one of his coaches arrested for prostitution and a player die during training.I think this is also why Injurygate blew up so much. Because it seemed like the rules were being manipulating and was against fair play. Same goes for Spy-gate at Michigan with the call-sign reading.

On Tosh, that's why the boat and coffee cup rumors seemed like a big deal. Obviously, this is not even an issue now when you can just pay players directly and perks like private planes can be done in the open.

But, Wilcox has always had a clean program from the students to the coaches. There have never been any reports of impropriety whatsoever.

I'm not saying Tosh is dirty but I can understand why some people view a past, unsavory incident and see it as a red flag. I can see why some people think moral character matters, not just in viewing past incidents but also in how the program in ran moving forward. Maybe some people just like to hold grudges.

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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Because they're not whiny drama queens who can't let go of a 15 year old grudge.

Some of you are truly a piece of work. My god. Grow up.

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No, its because you're desperate. You're looking for the Hail Mary. The last despairing pass before the lights go out. So you sell your soul. If you still have one.

Honestly, I don't really care. Hire him. I just have to call out hypocrisy when I see it. Scorn, derision, ire, jealousy, contempt for 13 years. And now, you're hoping he "chooses" us. Its delicious.

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No, it's because it's the right hire for us. There is nothing "desperate" about going after who was widely viewed as the top candidate. You are comically delusional. And if you're still that butthurt about 15 years ago, then as Pawlawski said on his last podcast, "Get over it." AKA, grow up.

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"the right hire for us" lmao

How exactly? Because he went to Cal? who's delusional??

I'm not butthurt about any of that. I'm just laughing at you to justify the hire. Because, its the right fit. woeful

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Because they have no memory, are desperate and prepared to sell our souls to stay "in the conversation". I thought the Calgorithm was enough.

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I want the @CalBand and @caldanceteam and @Oski to greet Tosh Lupoi on the Oakland Tarmac like we’re an SEC school

— Ghost (@GhostofGarbers) December 3, 2025

The Calgorithm needs to make this happen.

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Absolutely! What would make it even more epic is if they rode the BART to OAK to greet him. And then they all ride it back to Berkeley.

In the old days you wouldn't have even had to suggest it to Cal Band. They would've had it planned already......in the old days.

^ VIVA LOS OLD DAYS!

It is ridiculous, isn't it? As long as everybody here admits that Cal will now do anything to win, let's give Tosh a try. But he is not a good example of a Cal guy. He is not the best fit.

I don't but it's too late. Think we could have got an established HC with some offensive background. If we keep Rolo we might be okay? There's an ex HC there who knows the ropes.

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It is ridiculous, isn't it? As long as everybody here admits that Cal will now do anything to win, let's give Tosh a try. But he is not a good example of a Cal guy. He is not the best fit.

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That depends on what you mean by "best fit."

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I don't but it's too late. Think we could have got an established HC with some offensive background. If we keep Rolo we might be okay? There's an ex HC there who knows the ropes.

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We have an established HC in Ron Rivera running the show and mentoring Tosh as GM so no need for Rolovich to do that. OC should be the guy they can get who will give us the best offense, period, though if picking Rolovich assures that Sagapolutele stays that should be a big factor.

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I don't but it's too late. Think we could have got an established HC with some offensive background. If we keep Rolo we might be okay? There's an ex HC there who knows the ropes.

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We have an established HC in Ron Rivera running the show and mentoring Tosh as GM so no need for Rolovich to do that. OC should be the guy they can get who will give us the best offense, period, though if picking Rolovich assures that Sagapolutele stays that should be a big factor.

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Yeah, if JKS wants Rolo to stay then I'm totally cool with keeping him on staff for as long as JKS is here.

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It is ridiculous, isn't it? As long as everybody here admits that Cal will now do anything to win, let's give Tosh a try. But he is not a good example of a Cal guy. He is not the best fit.

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Maybe a "good example of a Cal guy" is not necessarily somebody who has never made a mistake but rather could also be somebody who has made mistakes, recognized that, and came back to make things right.

Full disclosure: poster 4thGenCal, who is an insider, posted several years ago that Tosh sincerely regrets what he did and has a dream of coming back and rectifying his transgression by leading Cal to the promised land. 4thGen, who has credibility to me strictly on the basis of his posts here, changed my opinion of Tosh Lupoi right then and there.

Others' opinions on this may vary; I recognize that and that's fine.

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It is ridiculous, isn't it? As long as everybody here admits that Cal will now do anything to win, let's give Tosh a try. But he is not a good example of a Cal guy. He is not the best fit.

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Maybe a "good example of a Cal guy" is not necessarily somebody who has never made a mistake but rather could also be somebody who has made mistakes, recognized that, and came back to make things right.

Full disclosure: poster 4thGenCal, who is an insider, posted several years ago that Tosh sincerely regrets what he did and has a dream of coming back and rectifying his transgression by leading Cal to the promised land. 4thGen, who has credibility to me strictly on the basis of his posts here, changed my opinion of Tosh Lupoi right then and there.

Others' opinions on this may vary; I recognize that and that's fine.

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I think if Tosh addresses that in his opening marks or through responding to a reporter's question regarding his departure, it will do a lot of good for those who can't let go. Of course, not everyone will be satisfied.

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It is ridiculous, isn't it? As long as everybody here admits that Cal will now do anything to win, let's give Tosh a try. But he is not a good example of a Cal guy. He is not the best fit.

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Maybe a "good example of a Cal guy" is not necessarily somebody who has never made a mistake but rather could also be somebody who has made mistakes, recognized that, and came back to make things right.

Full disclosure: poster 4thGenCal, who is an insider, posted several years ago that Tosh sincerely regrets what he did and has a dream of coming back and rectifying his transgression by leading Cal to the promised land. 4thGen, who has credibility to me strictly on the basis of his posts here, changed my opinion of Tosh Lupoi right then and there.

Others' opinions on this may vary; I recognize that and that's fine.

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I think if Tosh addresses that in his opening marks or through responding to a reporter's question regarding his departure, it will do a lot of good for those who can't let go. Of course, not everyone will be satisfied.

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I would advise him to address it briefly tomorrow... and then in more detail in the not-so-distant future, always expressing sincere regret. Then, after that, never fail to act ethically and start winning like a m***********. If that doesn't win over 90% of his critics, then I don't know what to say.

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It is ridiculous, isn't it? As long as everybody here admits that Cal will now do anything to win, let's give Tosh a try. But he is not a good example of a Cal guy. He is not the best fit.

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Maybe a "good example of a Cal guy" is not necessarily somebody who has never made a mistake but rather could also be somebody who has made mistakes, recognized that, and came back to make things right.

Full disclosure: poster 4thGenCal, who is an insider, posted several years ago that Tosh sincerely regrets what he did and has a dream of coming back and rectifying his transgression by leading Cal to the promised land. 4thGen, who has credibility to me strictly on the basis of his posts here, changed my opinion of Tosh Lupoi right then and there.

Others' opinions on this may vary; I recognize that and that's fine.

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Sincerely regrets? He needs to do it in public with an abject apology. His first presser would be the occasion.