I wonder if our ex-DL coach will flip the bird at Cal fans (or worse?) when UW visits Memorial this fall. Seems like the type.<br /><br />As for violating NCAA rules, UW will almost certainly get NCAA probation under Sark, the new John Calipari of college FB, at some point.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">95bears;682426 said:</div><hr>Tedford is nowhere to be found. I get the time crunch that damage control entailsbut a few minutes with a key national reporter somewhere would help more than hurt.<hr></blockquote>LOL. You want Tedford talking to a "key national reporter" instead of working the phones/texts with key RECRUITS and making sure the rest of his STAFF is staying as well as trying to find replacements for DL and WR so our key RECRUITS will feel reassured they will be taken care of when they get here?<br /><br />Sorry... that's really, really short-sighted. Tedford needs to spend 100% of his energies to the items above and 0% to reassuring the hysterical hard-core fans (like us).<blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr>You just know Cal PR won't be able to get this story out there, whereas Oregon/Nike PR assaulted the media with injurygate <b><i>and made it national news for a week</i></b> in the middle of a season. <br /><br />... If Tosh is now our enemy we should take the legs out of his career/reputation with prejudice. The chance to get into the national news cycle window is dwindling... <b>I know this stuff is not Tedford's style.</b> Sigh.<hr></blockquote>That's one of the reasons I like Tedford, at least in this instance. Any kind of attempt to do anything about this would sound vindictive, unsubstantiated, and frankly pathetic to anyone who wasn't paying very close attention already. Now, the Injurygate thing... that I think was mishandled... unfortunately.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">LafayetteBear;682440 said:</div><hr>But I am finding it difficult to give JT a complete free pass on this one.<hr></blockquote>I definitely agree JT should not get a free pass.<blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr>It bothers me that Lupoi apparently spent two plus years making the same salary ($164,000, which I would guess is a bit low compared to assistant pay at other BCS schools).<hr></blockquote>ORLY?<br /><br />- Lupoi got a GA job from Cal fresh out of school.<br />- Lupoi was promoted from GA very rapidly directly to DL coach, a HUGE risk by Tedford. That doesn't happen very often. That's a show of faith, and giving someone a break.<br />- Lupoi was paid ~120k the first two years of employment. That's low for a DL coach, but not low for someone just starting out that's been given a huge break.<br />- Lupoi got a 25% pay raise last year.<br />- Lupoi agreed to a 100% pay raise for this coming year, before taking the UW offer.<br />- Lupoi would have been making ~300k in his fourth year as DL coach, after being a GA.<br /><br />That's called taking care of your employee. I'm sorry, you don't just hand someone million-dollar contracts when they are that green. And I don't think he's proven to be that great a DL coach either. Despite the loads of talent he brought in, our DL has frankly not performed up to its talent level.<br /><br />Suggestions that Tedford pushed out Tosh by not taking care of him are absurd. Taking the UW offer is understandable (how he did it is the problem) but Tedford gave him his break, took a risk on him, and then was repaid by getting stabbed in the back on the way out the door.<br /><br />If Tosh had taken the offer but behaved ethically, I am sure Tedford would have been sad and upset to not be able to retain him, but would have been happy to see him move upward with his career. The way things came out, I can't see him feeling anything but bitter, understandably.

The thing is with this, getting into Lupoi's head for a minute, unless he's a complete idiot, and I don't believe he is, he's gotta realize that doing this is not just burning bridges with JT and the athletic department. The relationship with Cal is gone and when this story comes out, he is at severe risk of ending every relationship he had with anyone at Cal. Don't think he's going to be welcome at alumni functions or at any team reunions, etc. That's a lot to give up just to deliver an F-U out the door.<br /><br />Basically, he's exposed as a complete fraud in just about every way.

DO, I'm not surprised you would take To$'s side. You're almost as much of a lowlife as he is.

To$h is a lowlife and a cancer. His true colors probably came out before this, but JT held his nose because he wanted the recruits. Anyone see similarities with Bozeman here??<br /><br />And BTW, anyone still think that "faking injuries" thing WASN'T his idea?? It was totally out of character for JT-coached teams, but very much in character with a loser like To$h. Good riddance. Sark better watch this guy like a hawk.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;683118 said:</div><hr>The thing is with this, getting into Lupoi's head for a minute, unless he's a complete idiot, and I don't believe he is, he's gotta realize that doing this is not just burning bridges with JT and the athletic department. The relationship with Cal is gone and when this story comes out, he is at severe risk of ending every relationship he had with anyone at Cal. Don't think he's going to be welcome at alumni functions or at any team reunions, etc. That's a lot to give up just to deliver an F-U out the door.<br /><br />Basically, he's exposed as a complete fraud in just about every way.<hr></blockquote><br />People should seriously boo him anytime they see him in the bay area. He is no longer welcome in his home. He burned that bridge on his way out. Seattle is your home now To$h. And when Sark fires you because next year's recruits don't trust your lies anymore, you'll be homeless. Never come back.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;683118 said:</div><hr>The thing is with this, getting into Lupoi's head for a minute, unless he's a complete idiot, and I don't believe he is, he's gotta realize that doing this is not just burning bridges with JT and the athletic department. The relationship with Cal is gone and when this story comes out, he is at severe risk of ending every relationship he had with anyone at Cal. Don't think he's going to be welcome at alumni functions or at any team reunions, etc. That's a lot to give up just to deliver an F-U out the door.<br /><br />Basically, he's exposed as a complete fraud in just about every way.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />He better hope coaching at UW works out. Or coaching in general.<br /><br />Lupoi is from the East Bay. His family, I believe, still resides there. Just a stupid way to leave Cal and the community.<br /><br />If he ever enters finance and I get his resume by some random circumstance, that will be amusing. Cal's alumni base is huge. In finance, in sports, in entertainment, etc. Tosh will have that scarlet letter on his chest for the rest of his life. He is going to regret going out the way he did.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">OaktownBear;683118 said:</div><hr>The thing is with this, getting into Lupoi's head for a minute, unless he's a complete idiot, and I don't believe he is, he's gotta realize that doing this is not just burning bridges with JT and the athletic department. The relationship with Cal is gone and when this story comes out, he is at severe risk of ending every relationship he had with anyone at Cal. Don't think he's going to be welcome at alumni functions or at any team reunions, etc. That's a lot to give up just to deliver an F-U out the door.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />[Scene: Entrance to the Claremont Hotel ballroom. Molly the intern is in charge of the registration table for the Cal FB alumni banquet.]<br />MOLLY: Your name, sir?<br />LUPOI: To$h Lupoi.<br />MOLLY: [searches through name tags, finds a folded up card in place of lupoi's] Here we are....Oh, wait a minute...<br />[Molly reads the note. Her "hospitality smile" gives way to a "we have a situation" frown.]<br />MOLLY: Looks like you're not invited.<br />LUPOI: But I received an invite!<br />MOLLY: I guess the office must not have let you know you were uninvited. Just like you didn't let Coach Tedford know you were taking the job at UW.<br />LUPOI: But...but...I came all the way for this!<br />MOLLY: Well, there's a lovely restaurant here at the Claremont which I'm sure you can afford with all that money Sark's paying you. They're probably full but I'm sure you can eat at the bar. You might want to use a different name though [stage whispers] because they kinda hate you here. [back to normal voice] Have a nice evening!

If Tosh the Turncoat was an employee of a company here in California he could be nailed to the wall, but in football he gets away with it. I am no lawyer, but I have dealt with the issue and while one cannot enforce non-competes in CA, one can protect lists of customers and the person's ability to contact them after they leave your employment. In tech, this has popped up many times and some people have been fined big time or even dealt with potential jail time for doing just what he is doing. Here is a good summary: <br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">Quote:</div><hr><b>Trade Secrets Can Be Protected</b><br /><br />A company is however, permitted to protect their trade secrets. One type of trade secret is a customer list. Generally speaking, if a company could prevent a former employee from using a customer list or trade secret to prevent unfair competition, the company can enforce an agreement that former employees will not use the confidential information. (Metro Traffic Control, Inc. v. Shadow Traffic Network(1994) 22 Cal.App.4th 853, 861.) <br /><br />For example, an employee could validly be required not to use a confidential list of preferred customers for one year after leaving employment. (Gordon v. Landau (1958) 49 Cal.2d 690.) By comparison, though, even if a former employee cannot solicit his or her former employer's clients, merely informing customers of one's former employer of a change of employment, without more, is not solicitation. Neither is discussing business after being first invited by the former employer's customer. (Hilb, Rogal &Hamilton Ins. Services v. Robb (1995)<br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />So, the basta*d is way out of bounds...any lawyers around to comment here?<br /><br />:headbang

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Bear Island;683223 said:</div><hr>Not paying him like one meant he was destined to be someone else's elite recruiter someday, even if he ultimately left with some class and professionalism.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That's just it. If he was unhappy or felt he was underpaid (legitimate gripe) he was free to leave. It's the timing and manner that he left that has "poked the bear" so to speak. The fact that he was unhappy was no excuse for him to abandon all class on his way to another job.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Bear Island;683223 said:</div><hr>Anyone that thinks that a 25% raise is taking care of their employee is just not a very intelligent observer of college football. Try charting Tedford's raises as a percentage of his previous salary sometime and see where that gets you.<br /><br />Tosh was an elite recruiter and he deserved to be paid like one. Not paying him like one meant he was destined to be someone else's elite recruiter someday, even if he ultimately left with some class and professionalism.<hr></blockquote>I could not disagree more fundamentally and completely with you. Appreciate the insults you threw in, those make your opinion <i>so</i> much more credible.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BoaltBear;683131 said:</div><hr>People should seriously boo him anytime they see him in the bay area. He is no longer welcome in his home. He burned that bridge on his way out. Seattle is your home now To$h. And when Sark fires you because next year's recruits don't trust your lies anymore, you'll be homeless. Never come back.<hr></blockquote><br /> <br />His home is wherever Sark goes. Sark owns him now, no one else will trust him. At least he can use that to portray loyalty to kids in the future, kids who pick a coach and not an institution--which is most of them frankly. Again, this points out how unfair that a coach can change schools, or just leave (yes, I'm talking to you Pete Carroll) and the kids don't have that mobility.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Bear Island;683223 said:</div><hr>Anyone that thinks that a 25% raise is taking care of their employee is just not a very intelligent observer of college football. Try charting Tedford's raises as a percentage of his previous salary sometime and see where that gets you.<br /><br />Tosh was an elite recruiter and he deserved to be paid like one. Not paying him like one meant he was destined to be someone else's elite recruiter someday, even if he ultimately left with some class and professionalism.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Tosh brought the recruits in. But everyone else had to close.<br /><br />If Cal's recruiting goes to crap the next couple of years, we can revisit this, but I think we severely overrate his value at this point. Tedford has recruited well before Tosh, he can do so after.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">MoragaBear;682743 said:</div><hr>I'll just say this: It's worse than the original narrative. <br /><br />I get being underappreciated and all the ramifications that come with it but when you clear out in the middle of the night with no warning and are immediately in contact with recruits that morning when your employers don't even know yet and start not only recruiting for your new program the guys you recruited for Cal but tell them, "DON'T GO TO CAL?"<br /><br />That and other actions make this an irreparable rift, imo.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Thank you for weighing in. Your insight and wisdom are always appreciated.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">jabes;682772 said:</div><hr>Do you really believe this was intentional? At moments like this people that are professionally green make huge judgement errors and get pushed around by more experienced people. Sark has been in the football-as-a-business land for some time, Tosh had been at Cal his entire "adulthood". Tosh's quality as a recruiter was relating to 16 year-olds, not being a professional a-hole.<br /><br />Maybe dude meant it when he said he'd stay at Cal for $300K, he tells Sark no, Sark knows Cal can't go higher *and* he knows Tosh is about to see Shaq, then Sark comes in with an offer for $500K (plus a boat) and tells him he has 12 hours to decide. Dude panics, blurts out his dilemma to Shaq, can't see the long term view of passing on half-a-million-dollars-a-year, and gets out of town because he can't look JT in the face.<br /><br />Still the same impact, still burns every bridge and torpedoes his credibility. More immature than pure jerk.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Nice theory (and I wish Lupoi were as loyal to us as you are being to him), but what he did is not just a momentary incident of immaturity trumping reason. I can forgive his departure, even in the middle of the night, but recruiting for Washington while he was still officially a Cal coach is reprehensible. I can understand trying to flip recruits who had been considering Washington prior to his betrayal, but trying to destroy our recruiting class (knowing if players defect most will be going to SC, Southern Branch, ND, etc.) is unforgivable.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">elpbear;683044 said:</div><hr>I definitely agree JT should not get a free pass.ORLY?<br /><br />- Lupoi got a GA job from Cal fresh out of school.<br />- Lupoi was promoted from GA very rapidly directly to DL coach, a HUGE risk by Tedford. That doesn't happen very often. That's a show of faith, and giving someone a break.<br />- Lupoi was paid ~120k the first two years of employment. That's low for a DL coach, but not low for someone just starting out that's been given a huge break.<br />- Lupoi got a 25% pay raise last year.<br />- Lupoi agreed to a 100% pay raise for this coming year, before taking the UW offer.<br />- Lupoi would have been making ~300k in his fourth year as DL coach, after being a GA.<br /><br />That's called taking care of your employee. I'm sorry, you don't just hand someone million-dollar contracts when they are that green. And I don't think he's proven to be that great a DL coach either. Despite the loads of talent he brought in, our DL has frankly not performed up to its talent level.<br /><br />Suggestions that Tedford pushed out Tosh by not taking care of him are absurd. Taking the UW offer is understandable (how he did it is the problem) but Tedford gave him his break, took a risk on him, and then was repaid by getting stabbed in the back on the way out the door.<br /><br />If Tosh had taken the offer but behaved ethically, I am sure Tedford would have been sad and upset to not be able to retain him, but would have been happy to see him move upward with his career. The way things came out, I can't see him feeling anything but bitter, understandably.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Perfect post, worth rereading.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">BeachyBear;683128 said:</div><hr>To$h is a lowlife and a cancer. His true colors probably came out before this, but JT held his nose because he wanted the recruits. Anyone see similarities with Bozeman here??<br /><br />And BTW, anyone still think that "faking injuries" thing WASN'T his idea?? It was totally out of character for JT-coached teams, but very much in character with a loser like To$h. Good riddance. Sark better watch this guy like a hawk.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">drunkoski;683129 said:</div><hr>Yes this post is full of class.<br /><br />I'm not surporting tosh, i'm just not of the theory that we don't need some slimeballs if we want to land big recruits. and apparently jt agreed since he doubled tosh's salary.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm sure JT was as shocked as we, perhaps more so.<br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">BoaltBear;683131 said:</div><hr>People should seriously boo him anytime they see him in the bay area. He is no longer welcome in his home. He burned that bridge on his way out. Seattle is your home now To$h. And when Sark fires you because next year's recruits don't trust your lies anymore, you'll be homeless. Never come back.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Agreed! We should wave dollar bills when the Huskies come to town. Perhaps the band will put on a half time show that includes a boat. Seriously, let's make his "homecoming" an event that will cause him embarrassment in the region where he grew up and where many of his family and friends still reside.