Just to return to this. The check swing call was bad. But Jansen got some absolute gift strike calls in that AB and Ruf should have walked already.bonsallbear said:
So how big is that missed check swing 3rd strike against the Giants now?
Dodgers should be in 1st place by one game.
It is totally silly to say that the Dodgers should be in first place by one game due to the missed check swing call. Are we going to look at all the calls in that game? All the other lucky/unlucky breaks the Dodgers and Giants got over the course of a 162 game season?sycasey said:Just to return to this. The check swing call was bad. But Jansen got some absolute gift strike calls in that AB and Ruf should have walked already.bonsallbear said:
So how big is that missed check swing 3rd strike against the Giants now?
Dodgers should be in 1st place by one game.9th inning
— Bad Sports Refs (@BadSportsRefs) July 23, 2021
3-2 Dodgers, 2 outs, bases loaded
Darin Ruf AB
On a pitch that should’ve made it 3-0, it’s ruled a strike
Then on a 3-2 check swing that should’ve ended the game, Ruf is somehow ruled having not swung and ties the game with a walk
The Giants end up winning, 5-3 pic.twitter.com/dhsOShcggF
So I don't want to hear it from Dodgers fans on this one.
17 players with at least five HR'sUnit2Sucks said:
I still can't figure out how the Giants did it this year. So many players having more or less career years but to win 107 without anyone hitting .300*, 30 hrs, 100 rbi or any 15 game winners. Has that ever happened?
Will be really interesting to see how they perform in the playoffs. They have a small number of playoff vets, but it's been years since those guys have been under the October lights.
No matter what happens this postseason, proud of this team for not listening to the naysayers and taking it to the league. Hopefully they can keep this thing going next year.
*I suppose Buster hit 300 but he didn't even get enough ABs to qualify for the leaderboard.
A three sentence answered to the post re: Ruf's at-bat…Cal8285 said:It is totally silly to say that the Dodgers should be in first place by one game due to the missed check swing call. Are we going to look at all the calls in that game? All the other lucky/unlucky breaks the Dodgers and Giants got over the course of a 162 game season?sycasey said:Just to return to this. The check swing call was bad. But Jansen got some absolute gift strike calls in that AB and Ruf should have walked already.bonsallbear said:
So how big is that missed check swing 3rd strike against the Giants now?
Dodgers should be in 1st place by one game.9th inning
— Bad Sports Refs (@BadSportsRefs) July 23, 2021
3-2 Dodgers, 2 outs, bases loaded
Darin Ruf AB
On a pitch that should’ve made it 3-0, it’s ruled a strike
Then on a 3-2 check swing that should’ve ended the game, Ruf is somehow ruled having not swung and ties the game with a walk
The Giants end up winning, 5-3 pic.twitter.com/dhsOShcggF
So I don't want to hear it from Dodgers fans on this one.
But for the moment, let's do what bonsallbear suggests, focus only on the Ruf at bat against Jansen on July 22. Jansen only got one absolute gift strike call in that AB, because there was only one called strike in the AB, but it did make a HUGE difference.
The pitch in question was pitch number 3, with close to a ball width between the edge of the strike zone and the ball. That's a REALLY bad miss by home plate ump Jansen Visconti. The other two strikes, pitches 4 and 6, were fouled off. Of course, Ruf only swings at pitch 4, also outside, because the count is 2-1 and pitch 3 was called a strike, no way he swings at that pitch if the count is 3-0. Jansen probably throws a different pitch if it is 3-0, surely Ruf would have taken no matter where it was, maybe ball 4, maybe not, and who knows what Jansen would have thrown 3-1 IF he had managed to throw a strike on 3-0.
Andrew Baggerly of the Athletic posted at some point the OBP in at bats following a 3-0 count versus the OBP in at bats following a 2-1 count, I don't remember the specifics, but the difference is HUGE. Just that one call was a HUGE gift to Jansen. Hell, maybe Ruf hits a slam on a 3-1 pitch, or pops up, but we'll never know because Ruf never got a 3-1 pitch.
We'll never know what happens if the umpire makes the correct call on the 2-0 pitch, all we really know is that things would have been different, and it is extremely unlikely that the 3-2 check swing happens like that. The no swing call, however, seemed fair payback for the 2-0 call. Hell, maybe 1B ump Ed Hickox decided he would call no swing on anything close to make up for Jansen Visconti's bad 2-0 call.
BTW, if you go to umpscorecard.com and look at that game, there were "only" 9 wrong ball-strike calls for the game, and on balance, the missed calls favored the Dodgers slightly (a 0.22 net run impact favoring the Dodgers). Focusing on one call is always silly, because other calls impact the game too, but in this case, that call on the 2-0 pitch to Ruf really affected the whole AB.
And, of course, if LA wins that game, it may change other things in the season, too, and we'll never know how the Giants and LA would have done down the road. There would not likely have been big changes in how many games were won down the road, but maybe small changes, maybe the Giants still win the division.
And if we look at ball strike calls over the season as a whole, umpscorecards.com show that over the course of the season, the Giants got screwed more than the Dodgers on ball-strike calls. How many games difference did that make? The bad Angel Hernandez ball-strike calls in the June 28 giants Dodgers game may have been the difference between a Giants win and a Giants loss. Impossible to say, but maybe if the umps call all the ball-strike calls correct for the entire season, the Giants win 110 to 105 for LA. We'll just never know.
I would have like to see how that July 22 game would have turned out if the count went to 3-0 on Ruf. But we don't get that, we just get to know how that AB turned out, bad calls and all, and we know what happened after.
When the Dodgers left San Francisco after the last Giants-Dodgers game of the season on September 5, with the Giants 1 game ahead, I guarantee you that if you convinced the Dodgers that you knew the future and they would finish the season 20-5, every player on the Dodgers and everybody else in the organization would have told you they would win the division with that .800 finish. Unfortunately for them, the Giants also finished .800. It was all remarkable, and didn't hinge on one Ruf AB where Ruf got badly screwed on a 2-0 call.
I hope I'm wrong but this may end up reading like a recipe for how to succeed in the regular season and fail in the post season. The regular season is a grind and you benefit from having a deep roster to give everyone a rest and to overcome injuries and other adversity.71Bear said:17 players with at least five HR'sUnit2Sucks said:
I still can't figure out how the Giants did it this year. So many players having more or less career years but to win 107 without anyone hitting .300*, 30 hrs, 100 rbi or any 15 game winners. Has that ever happened?
Will be really interesting to see how they perform in the playoffs. They have a small number of playoff vets, but it's been years since those guys have been under the October lights.
No matter what happens this postseason, proud of this team for not listening to the naysayers and taking it to the league. Hopefully they can keep this thing going next year.
*I suppose Buster hit 300 but he didn't even get enough ABs to qualify for the leaderboard.
6 pitchers with an ERA below 3.00 (min. 50 IP)
Both were the first time a team accomplished that in MLB history.
Depth, Depth, Depth (some that Cal so desperately needs on its football team)……
The Giants also have a lot of bullpen depth, though, which could be an advantage in the postseason as baseball is played now (starters don't tend to go deep into games anymore).Unit2Sucks said:I hope I'm wrong but this may end up reading like a recipe for how to succeed in the regular season and fail in the post season. The regular season is a grind and you benefit from having a deep roster to give everyone a rest and to overcome injuries and other adversity.71Bear said:17 players with at least five HR'sUnit2Sucks said:
I still can't figure out how the Giants did it this year. So many players having more or less career years but to win 107 without anyone hitting .300*, 30 hrs, 100 rbi or any 15 game winners. Has that ever happened?
Will be really interesting to see how they perform in the playoffs. They have a small number of playoff vets, but it's been years since those guys have been under the October lights.
No matter what happens this postseason, proud of this team for not listening to the naysayers and taking it to the league. Hopefully they can keep this thing going next year.
*I suppose Buster hit 300 but he didn't even get enough ABs to qualify for the leaderboard.
6 pitchers with an ERA below 3.00 (min. 50 IP)
Both were the first time a team accomplished that in MLB history.
Depth, Depth, Depth (some that Cal so desperately needs on its football team)……
That's not the case in the post-season where you have extra days off and elongated series. As we've seen over and over again, you don't need to go 5 deep in your rotation or use your full bullpen to win a WS and while having pinch hitters available can be great, you play your best 8 position players just about every day. You can win with just a few lights out starting pitchers (*cough* MadBum *cough*), a good middle reliever, a closer and a lefty specialist in your bullpen. Having a few great hitters and an otherwise average starting lineup can work just fine.
Maybe the answer is that the Giants are just a fresher team than anyone else because no one played 140 games or pitched 200 innings and that no one player will feel excessive pressure to do everything.
Going to be a pretty interesting postseason for the NL West, that's for sure.
Yes, I think if the Giants win it all the story is likely to be that positional and bullpen depth gave Kapler great options in high leverage situations. The more you rely on your bullpen (particularly early in games) the more you need positional depth. The Giants have both. Not as helpful in road games in the WS, but otherwise could be a big advantage. I would still rather have prime MadBum and a lights out closer but you play with what you got.sycasey said:The Giants also have a lot of bullpen depth, though, which could be an advantage in the postseason as baseball is played now (starters don't tend to go deep into games anymore).Unit2Sucks said:I hope I'm wrong but this may end up reading like a recipe for how to succeed in the regular season and fail in the post season. The regular season is a grind and you benefit from having a deep roster to give everyone a rest and to overcome injuries and other adversity.71Bear said:17 players with at least five HR'sUnit2Sucks said:
I still can't figure out how the Giants did it this year. So many players having more or less career years but to win 107 without anyone hitting .300*, 30 hrs, 100 rbi or any 15 game winners. Has that ever happened?
Will be really interesting to see how they perform in the playoffs. They have a small number of playoff vets, but it's been years since those guys have been under the October lights.
No matter what happens this postseason, proud of this team for not listening to the naysayers and taking it to the league. Hopefully they can keep this thing going next year.
*I suppose Buster hit 300 but he didn't even get enough ABs to qualify for the leaderboard.
6 pitchers with an ERA below 3.00 (min. 50 IP)
Both were the first time a team accomplished that in MLB history.
Depth, Depth, Depth (some that Cal so desperately needs on its football team)……
That's not the case in the post-season where you have extra days off and elongated series. As we've seen over and over again, you don't need to go 5 deep in your rotation or use your full bullpen to win a WS and while having pinch hitters available can be great, you play your best 8 position players just about every day. You can win with just a few lights out starting pitchers (*cough* MadBum *cough*), a good middle reliever, a closer and a lefty specialist in your bullpen. Having a few great hitters and an otherwise average starting lineup can work just fine.
Maybe the answer is that the Giants are just a fresher team than anyone else because no one played 140 games or pitched 200 innings and that no one player will feel excessive pressure to do everything.
Going to be a pretty interesting postseason for the NL West, that's for sure.
The Rays used this to their advantage in winning the AL last year. That's a team built similarly to how the Giants are this year.
I think Zaidi wants to have a mix of stars that play everyday along with the depth, but they arrived much earlier than expected this year. The old guard had resurgent seasons that no one saw coming with the rest of the 40 man roster chipping in.Unit2Sucks said:I hope I'm wrong but this may end up reading like a recipe for how to succeed in the regular season and fail in the post season. The regular season is a grind and you benefit from having a deep roster to give everyone a rest and to overcome injuries and other adversity.71Bear said:17 players with at least five HR'sUnit2Sucks said:
I still can't figure out how the Giants did it this year. So many players having more or less career years but to win 107 without anyone hitting .300*, 30 hrs, 100 rbi or any 15 game winners. Has that ever happened?
Will be really interesting to see how they perform in the playoffs. They have a small number of playoff vets, but it's been years since those guys have been under the October lights.
No matter what happens this postseason, proud of this team for not listening to the naysayers and taking it to the league. Hopefully they can keep this thing going next year.
*I suppose Buster hit 300 but he didn't even get enough ABs to qualify for the leaderboard.
6 pitchers with an ERA below 3.00 (min. 50 IP)
Both were the first time a team accomplished that in MLB history.
Depth, Depth, Depth (some that Cal so desperately needs on its football team)……
That's not the case in the post-season where you have extra days off and elongated series. As we've seen over and over again, you don't need to go 5 deep in your rotation or use your full bullpen to win a WS and while having pinch hitters available can be great, you play your best 8 position players just about every day. You can win with just a few lights out starting pitchers (*cough* MadBum *cough*), a good middle reliever, a closer and a lefty specialist in your bullpen. Having a few great hitters and an otherwise average starting lineup can work just fine.
Maybe the answer is that the Giants are just a fresher team than anyone else because no one played 140 games or pitched 200 innings and that no one player will feel excessive pressure to do everything.
Going to be a pretty interesting postseason for the NL West, that's for sure.
You are right on both points.71Bear said:A three sentence answered to the post re: Ruf's at-bat…Cal8285 said:It is totally silly to say that the Dodgers should be in first place by one game due to the missed check swing call. Are we going to look at all the calls in that game? All the other lucky/unlucky breaks the Dodgers and Giants got over the course of a 162 game season?sycasey said:Just to return to this. The check swing call was bad. But Jansen got some absolute gift strike calls in that AB and Ruf should have walked already.bonsallbear said:
So how big is that missed check swing 3rd strike against the Giants now?
Dodgers should be in 1st place by one game.9th inning
— Bad Sports Refs (@BadSportsRefs) July 23, 2021
3-2 Dodgers, 2 outs, bases loaded
Darin Ruf AB
On a pitch that should’ve made it 3-0, it’s ruled a strike
Then on a 3-2 check swing that should’ve ended the game, Ruf is somehow ruled having not swung and ties the game with a walk
The Giants end up winning, 5-3 pic.twitter.com/dhsOShcggF
So I don't want to hear it from Dodgers fans on this one.
But for the moment, let's do what bonsallbear suggests, focus only on the Ruf at bat against Jansen on July 22. Jansen only got one absolute gift strike call in that AB, because there was only one called strike in the AB, but it did make a HUGE difference.
The pitch in question was pitch number 3, with close to a ball width between the edge of the strike zone and the ball. That's a REALLY bad miss by home plate ump Jansen Visconti. The other two strikes, pitches 4 and 6, were fouled off. Of course, Ruf only swings at pitch 4, also outside, because the count is 2-1 and pitch 3 was called a strike, no way he swings at that pitch if the count is 3-0. Jansen probably throws a different pitch if it is 3-0, surely Ruf would have taken no matter where it was, maybe ball 4, maybe not, and who knows what Jansen would have thrown 3-1 IF he had managed to throw a strike on 3-0.
Andrew Baggerly of the Athletic posted at some point the OBP in at bats following a 3-0 count versus the OBP in at bats following a 2-1 count, I don't remember the specifics, but the difference is HUGE. Just that one call was a HUGE gift to Jansen. Hell, maybe Ruf hits a slam on a 3-1 pitch, or pops up, but we'll never know because Ruf never got a 3-1 pitch.
We'll never know what happens if the umpire makes the correct call on the 2-0 pitch, all we really know is that things would have been different, and it is extremely unlikely that the 3-2 check swing happens like that. The no swing call, however, seemed fair payback for the 2-0 call. Hell, maybe 1B ump Ed Hickox decided he would call no swing on anything close to make up for Jansen Visconti's bad 2-0 call.
BTW, if you go to umpscorecard.com and look at that game, there were "only" 9 wrong ball-strike calls for the game, and on balance, the missed calls favored the Dodgers slightly (a 0.22 net run impact favoring the Dodgers). Focusing on one call is always silly, because other calls impact the game too, but in this case, that call on the 2-0 pitch to Ruf really affected the whole AB.
And, of course, if LA wins that game, it may change other things in the season, too, and we'll never know how the Giants and LA would have done down the road. There would not likely have been big changes in how many games were won down the road, but maybe small changes, maybe the Giants still win the division.
And if we look at ball strike calls over the season as a whole, umpscorecards.com show that over the course of the season, the Giants got screwed more than the Dodgers on ball-strike calls. How many games difference did that make? The bad Angel Hernandez ball-strike calls in the June 28 giants Dodgers game may have been the difference between a Giants win and a Giants loss. Impossible to say, but maybe if the umps call all the ball-strike calls correct for the entire season, the Giants win 110 to 105 for LA. We'll just never know.
I would have like to see how that July 22 game would have turned out if the count went to 3-0 on Ruf. But we don't get that, we just get to know how that AB turned out, bad calls and all, and we know what happened after.
When the Dodgers left San Francisco after the last Giants-Dodgers game of the season on September 5, with the Giants 1 game ahead, I guarantee you that if you convinced the Dodgers that you knew the future and they would finish the season 20-5, every player on the Dodgers and everybody else in the organization would have told you they would win the division with that .800 finish. Unfortunately for them, the Giants also finished .800. It was all remarkable, and didn't hinge on one Ruf AB where Ruf got badly screwed on a 2-0 call.
It is a 162 game season. **** happens. Get over it .
By the way, in my opinion, the single biggest play of the season was Tauchman's catch at Dodger Stadium. It completely changed the dynamic of the SF-LA season series.
oski003 said:
Sure a lot of hooplah over a roided up team that was good during the regular season by fans who used to constantly gloat about how the regular season didn't matter until their rival won the world series last year after winning their division 8 times in a row.
GMP said:oski003 said:
Sure a lot of hooplah over a roided up team that was good during the regular season by fans who used to constantly gloat about how the regular season didn't matter until their rival won the world series last year after winning their division 8 times in a row.
God, man. You are so salty and it's freakin great.
Heck, I am still waiting for the Dodgers to win the World Series in a year in which everyone plays a full schedule. It is now 32 years and counting. They only thing they proved last year was they are good at winning "short season" baseball. 162 games is a big league grind. 60 games is a walk in the park for amateurs.GMP said:oski003 said:
Sure a lot of hooplah over a roided up team that was good during the regular season by fans who used to constantly gloat about how the regular season didn't matter until their rival won the world series last year after winning their division 8 times in a row.
God, man. You are so salty and it's freakin great.
HighlandDutch said:
Muncy out a couple of weeks. That's a bummer. (Not being sarcastic...I draw the line at rejoicing at injuries...a man's got to have a code, and all that.)
Undoubtedly. Vegas thinks so too. (Or, more accurately, Vegas thinks the betting public thinks so too.) Here are the current betting lines to win the World Series:82gradDLSdad said:HighlandDutch said:
Muncy out a couple of weeks. That's a bummer. (Not being sarcastic...I draw the line at rejoicing at injuries...a man's got to have a code, and all that.)
As long as the Dodgers have Scherzer and Beuhler (no idea if I spelled these right) they are going to be tough.
HighlandDutch said:Undoubtedly. Vegas thinks so too. (Or, more accurately, Vegas thinks the betting public thinks so too.) Here are the current betting lines to win the World Series:82gradDLSdad said:HighlandDutch said:
Muncy out a couple of weeks. That's a bummer. (Not being sarcastic...I draw the line at rejoicing at injuries...a man's got to have a code, and all that.)
As long as the Dodgers have Scherzer and Beuhler (no idea if I spelled these right) they are going to be tough.
- LA Dodgers +390
- Houston Astros +450
- San Francisco Giants +700
- Chicago White Sox +700
- Tampa Bay Rays +750
- Milwaukee Brewers +750
- Atlanta Braves +1100
- New York Yankees +1100
I have an honest question. Do you truly believe the Giants are "roided up?" (or are you just trolling). Cause you are far from the first person to make such an accusation. And I honestly am curious where this thinking comes from.oski003 said:
Sure a lot of hooplah over a roided up team that was good during the regular season by fans who used to constantly gloat about how the regular season didn't matter until their rival won the world series last year after winning their division 8 times in a row.
awwwwwww.....we are always so in sync. posting the same thing only a minute apartsycasey said:
Is there some evidence that the current Giants team is using steroids? Where is that coming from?
The Dodgers basically did the same thing with Max Muncy, Justin Turner, etc., when Zaidi was there. Yet it's suspicious now that the Giants are doing it.ducky23 said:I have an honest question. Do you truly believe the Giants are "roided up?" (or are you just trolling). Cause you are far from the first person to make such an accusation. And I honestly am curious where this thinking comes from.oski003 said:
Sure a lot of hooplah over a roided up team that was good during the regular season by fans who used to constantly gloat about how the regular season didn't matter until their rival won the world series last year after winning their division 8 times in a row.
I mean...I guess I kinda get it. It seems unlikely that all of a sudden, all of these aging veterans are all of a sudden having career years. I get it. Seems suspicious. And if it were any other players, maybe I'd be suspicious too. But the guys you are accusing are Buster Posey, Brandon Belt and Brandon Crawford. I mean seriously. These are probably the three least likely players to roid up.
Is it at all possible that the Giants new coaching staff/new approach has anything to do with the improvement? Is that so far fetched?
The Giants weren't any good from 2010-14? I'm beginning to doubt your objectivity....oski003 said:
The last time the giants were any good was right after BALCO and several players got busted. This year, Santos was the fall guy.
I worry about this too, but from a slightly different angle.Unit2Sucks said:I hope I'm wrong but this may end up reading like a recipe for how to succeed in the regular season and fail in the post season.71Bear said:17 players with at least five HR'sUnit2Sucks said:
I still can't figure out how the Giants did it this year. So many players having more or less career years but to win 107 without anyone hitting .300*, 30 hrs, 100 rbi or any 15 game winners. Has that ever happened?
Will be really interesting to see how they perform in the playoffs. They have a small number of playoff vets, but it's been years since those guys have been under the October lights.
No matter what happens this postseason, proud of this team for not listening to the naysayers and taking it to the league. Hopefully they can keep this thing going next year.
*I suppose Buster hit 300 but he didn't even get enough ABs to qualify for the leaderboard.
6 pitchers with an ERA below 3.00 (min. 50 IP)
Both were the first time a team accomplished that in MLB history.
Depth, Depth, Depth (some that Cal so desperately needs on its football team)……
huh? ok, so no real answer. got itoski003 said:
The last time the giants were any good was right after BALCO and several players got busted. This year, Santos was the fall guy.
What is this weird strain of Dodger fan I'm seeing today that seems convinced any other team that fares well is cheating/cheated in past years but apparently LA....never has? 😂😂😂 I'm close to so many awesome LA fans, but this a new one to me. Baffling.
— Susan Slusser (@susanslusser) October 3, 2021
Two words for our Dodger fan friends - Spider Tackphilbert said:What is this weird strain of Dodger fan I'm seeing today that seems convinced any other team that fares well is cheating/cheated in past years but apparently LA....never has? 😂😂😂 I'm close to so many awesome LA fans, but this a new one to me. Baffling.
— Susan Slusser (@susanslusser) October 3, 2021
Just leaving this here...oski003 said:
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/exclusive-daily-news-uncovers-bizarre-plot-melky-cabrera-fake-website-duck-drug-suspension-article-1.1139623
The Giants organization's steroid problems didn't stop with the departure of Bonds. The News reported in November 2010, that former Giant Jose Guillen had arranged for a shipment of nearly 50 preloaded syringes of human growth hormone to be sent to a San Francisco address in his wife's name.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/8271981/melky-cabrera-san-francisco-giants-suspended-50-games
All-Star Game MVP Melky Cabrera was suspended for 50 games without pay Wednesday after the San Francisco Giants outfielder tested positive for testosterone.
Cabrera leads the National League with 159 hits and is second in batting average behind Pittsburgh's Andrew McCutchen. Cabrera's penalty is the first for a high-profile player since last year's NL MVP, Ryan Braun, had his suspension overturned by an arbitrator last winter.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/05/aubrey-huff-i-was-high-as-a-kite-during-giants-world-series-parade-in-2010/
In an interview with KNBR to promote his book, Huff said he began taking Adderall in 2009, and called the stimulant, which is prescribed to treat attention-deficit disorder, a more powerful performance-enhancing drug than steroids.
I will give you Cabrera, but Guillen was on the Giants for about five minutes and not on the postseason roster. Adderall is not a steroid. If you want to talk about that there are probably a lot of players who are guilty of that kind of thing.oski003 said:
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/exclusive-daily-news-uncovers-bizarre-plot-melky-cabrera-fake-website-duck-drug-suspension-article-1.1139623
The Giants organization's steroid problems didn't stop with the departure of Bonds. The News reported in November 2010, that former Giant Jose Guillen had arranged for a shipment of nearly 50 preloaded syringes of human growth hormone to be sent to a San Francisco address in his wife's name.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/8271981/melky-cabrera-san-francisco-giants-suspended-50-games
All-Star Game MVP Melky Cabrera was suspended for 50 games without pay Wednesday after the San Francisco Giants outfielder tested positive for testosterone.
Cabrera leads the National League with 159 hits and is second in batting average behind Pittsburgh's Andrew McCutchen. Cabrera's penalty is the first for a high-profile player since last year's NL MVP, Ryan Braun, had his suspension overturned by an arbitrator last winter.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/05/aubrey-huff-i-was-high-as-a-kite-during-giants-world-series-parade-in-2010/
In an interview with KNBR to promote his book, Huff said he began taking Adderall in 2009, and called the stimulant, which is prescribed to treat attention-deficit disorder, a more powerful performance-enhancing drug than steroids.
I was told by Dodgers fans on here that winning regular-season division titles was the real way to measure organizational excellence and the postseason is just a crapshoot. Is that not true any longer?oski003 said:
TBH, the giants cheating doesn't really bother me. I just enjoy mocking hypocritical fans who act like they belong on the lsju farm.
MO:
1) pretend like the giants don't spend but have amazing players anyway.
2) pretend like the regular season doesn't matter.
3) gloat about winning the division title.
