AunBear89 said:
oski003 said:
AunBear89 said:
ducky23 said:
oski003 said:
The last time the giants were any good was right after BALCO and several players got busted. This year, Santos was the fall guy.
huh? ok, so no real answer. got it
It's kinda his thing. In all arenas.
AunBears thing is to hurl insults and never say anything substantive
Here's something substantive: Dodgers and Giants fans are largely self important front runners. The greatest example of this is the clip of Gibson's legendary late inning home run. As the camera follows the ball's path, the sight of all the brake lights in the parking lot is hilarious. "Gotta beat the traffic. We'll listen to the end of game on the radio…". REAL fans stick it out with their team to the end and put up with the traffic.
And don't get me started on Giants fans. More concerned with the concession offerings and what to do when the wine bar is out of Pinot Grigio…
You want real baseball fans? Cardinals fans are the smartest and most loyal fan base around. Hell - they filled that old abomination of a cookie cutter stadium for years, because it was about the baseball. And the baseball is always good, and occasionally great.
As a Giants fan, I guess I'd better come to the defense of Dodgers fans (as well as Giants fans).
You are right that, as a whole, the Cardinals fans are probably the best fans in MLB. St. Louis is a baseball town. Two football have moved to town and ultimately left, not because it is a bad sports town, but it is a baseball town, not a football town. It is the opposite of Pittsburgh, where they have the best stadium in MLB, but it is totally a football town. Those rare times when the Pirates make the playoffs, the top local sports headline is still about the Steelers' practice.
But it is silly to say "Dodgers and Giants fans are largely self important front runners." Are there more "self important front runners" who hold themselves out to be Dodgers fans than there are "self important front runners" who hold themselves out to be fans of any other team? Well, they might need to fight with the Yankees and the Cubs for sheer numbers (the Red Sox are up there, too). But that's partly because there are do damned many people in the LA area, so the numbers are bigger (and the nature of SoCal makes for a lot of "self important front runners).
Is SF worse than some areas? Yeah, sure. But better than LA or New York or Chicago, because those places are bigger metropolitan areas with more "self important front runners." It happens. The Mets, White Sox, and Angels have way fewer "self important front runners" as alleged fans than the Yankees, Cubs, or Dodgers, because the "self important front runners" gravitate to the latter teams. But that doesn't diminish the quality of the "true" fans of the Yankees, Cubs, or Dodgers.
The Giants versus the A's is a bit odd. Find anyone who only latched on since the new ballpark opened, and the "self important front runners" are all Giants fans. But that wasn't so much the case in the 70's, 80's, and early 90's, when the A's had more "self important front runners" than the Giants. Back then, while there were true baseball fans who were A's fans, you KNEW East Bay residents were true baseball fan if they were Giants fans. Not so much anymore, plenty of "front runners" in the East Bay are Giants fans. The main reason there are a decent number of "true" East Bay baseball fans who came along after the turn of the century who root for the Giants instead of the A's is that the A's spent too much time over the last 20 years kicking their fans in the teeth. Think it's hard being a Cal fan? Try being an A's fan, thank goodness I'm not one.
Back in the 1980's, Chili Davis said of the people at Candlestick Park that 6,000 are fans, the rest are *******s. His number was off, at the time it was more like 12,000 that were fans, it had been 6,000 a few years earlier, but by then it was 12,000. The ones who showed up for weeknight games against the Expos as well as the other games were the fans, not the *******s. Eventually the number of regular fans at Candlestick went up to about 14,000 per game. But those 12,000, then 14,000, fans at Candlestick who were at weeknight games against the Expos were as smart and as loyal as any fans in baseball.
When the new park opened, the number of "true" fans at each game was probably up to 20-22,000, with WAY more "self important front runners" coming on a regular basis to the yard. In COVID times, the numbers are lower, but in 2019, the lower attendance numbers was mostly lower among casual fans and the self-important front runners.
Most (not all) of the Dodgers fans I personally know are smart and loyal baseball fans, misguided mostly because of where or by whom they were raised. Do I know people who talk about the Dodgers only when things are going well for the Dodgers? Sure, but I don't think of them as real Dodgers fans.
If you only count the 20-22,000 "true" fans at each Giants game, Giants fans are as smart and as loyal as any baseball fans in the country. Hang out on the corporate Club level at the China Basin ballpark, they'll be harder to find, so don't sit there. There aren't as MANY smart and loyal fans as there are in St. Louis, just because most sports fans in St. Louis are baseball fans, which is not true in the Bay Area or LA. There are plenty of smart and loyal Dodgers fans, too, even if most of the ones who post on this thread don't show it.
It is simply silly to paint Dodgers or Giants fans (or Yankees, Cubs, or Red Sox fans) as self-important front runners, since by definition, they aren't the fans, they are the self-important front runners.
