GivemTheAxe said:
ducky23 said:
I'm gonna keep posting different calls until chapman_is_gone starts yelling at the kids to get off his lawn
It was an exciting play. And I am happy it was for the Giants.
But the announcers were AWFUL.
I don't want to hear any criticism of Joe Starkey's call of The Play ever again.
Compared to the announcers on this play, Starkey's call was a masterpiece of clarity and eloquence
Starkey's call would have been MOSTLY fine if it had been for a TV broadcast, because you don't need a call of clarity. If the game was on TV, the only big problem would have been "the Bears have to get out of bounds." Starkey has said that was stupid, because he recognized that time would have run out by the time they got out of bounds, although I have never heard him admit that it was stupid because IF they wanted to stop the clock for a Hail Mary, they just needed to take a knee right away. Too bad Starkey brain farted on the rules and the situation, but IF it was on TV, it was otherwise OK, it conveyed the emotion of the moment and a viewer could see what was happening.
But Starkey's call wasn't on TV, it was on the radio, where a picture needs to be painted for the audience. To appreciate how bad Starkey's call is, you have to imagine you don't have a video playing, and you don't already know what happened. Well, there was a squib kick, Rodgers must have touched the ball, the band came on the field, and Cal got into the end zone. Laterals? Not one mention until after the play was over and Starkey says the Bears may have made some illegal laterals so The Play might not count. The listener had no picture of the play. Other announcers, both radio and TV, managed to do better at describing it. Starkey's call (again, except for the "out of bounds" part) has been fine since The Play was originally broadcast, it is either accompanied by video of the play or is accompanied by a vision in one's mind of the Play, so we don't need clarity, but for a live radio call? Terrible.
Both Kuiper and the Phillies announcers did OK with their words for a TV broadcast. The viewer doesn't actually need a description to know what is happening, plus neither Kuiper nor the Phillies broadcasters were incomprehensible like Starkey. Kuiper's voice issues did create some problems. He was having voice issues for a couple of nights, he apologized at the start of Monday's game for his voice, at the beginning of Tuesday's game he said he was getting better, Krukow was getting worse, but it still had issues on Tuesday and got worse as the game wore on, he really couldn't handle the load of that call at the end. Also, Kuiper is kind of like Starkey, not that good at describing the action, good at conveying emotion, but with better knowledge of the game than Starkey. Fortunately, baseball is easier than football so for those relatively few times when Kuiper is on the radio and I'm listening, I'm not left as confused as Starkey left me, and most of the time, Kuiper is on TV and it doesn't matter (even if as he has aged he makes more annoying mistakes).
For those listening to the Giants' radio broadcast, however, Fleming's call was really good. I hate to give praise to a Stanford guy, but he pretty well nailed it. You definitely can't say that call was awful, and while an easier call, 1000 times better than Starkey on the Play.
As for ducky23's comment, chapman_is_gone has impressively managed not to chime in with kids get off my lawn since June 25. I kind of like when he chimes in, because he is somehow proclaiming himself to be pretty inept. He often says something like "the owners of the board make us wade through this crap" when, of course, there is no need to ever open the thread. Anyone not interested in the thread need not wade through anything -- don't open it! BearGreg himself started the "OT: Formula 1 Racing" thread on the Insider board, and somehow, I have managed to never open the thread one single time! In spite of the 126 posts over 3 months, I haven't had to wade through anything, because I'm not stupid, but over the years, chapman_is_gone manages to repeatedly establish his inability to do something so simple as to ignore the thread he claims he is not interested in. Amusing.
And by the way, as a post-season pitcher, Vogelsong is cemented forever as better than Kershaw.
