calumnus;841936419 said:

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The point is, if Maynard's 127 QB rating last year was #71 (actually #69), where would Bridgford's 89 QB rating last year have ranked?

Maynard's 148 today maintained over last season would have been in the Top 25 last year, whereas Bridgford's 20 QB rating today...

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Maynard was 148 when it should have been 58. Half the time his wr's bail him out with acrobatic catches of shi te passes

calbear75;841936448 said:

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What the hell is our QB coach doing? jeebus. Maybe Daft wasn't that bad...

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Daft was the wide receiver coach.

mollydookerbear;841936454 said:

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Daft was the wide receiver coach.

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He was the QB coach first.

mollydookerbear;841936454 said:

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Daft was the wide receiver coach.

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He was the QB coach before becoming the WR coach (also a former grad assistant). He wasn't very good at either.

grandmastapoop;841936378 said:

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Oh, come on. This is getting out of hand. Today friggin sucked. But anyone who saw Bridgford and thinks he should be starting over Maynard is either a) Stupid b) Lying to themselves c) Worse

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Yup, today sucked all around. I don't think Bridgford has ever gotten a fair shake, in fact I don't think most of the QB's Tedford has had, has been given a fair shake. The playbook is the size of a phone book, he likes total immersion training, he likes to play chess matches that really doesn't amount to anything and he has ADD with his OC's. All of which has resulted in assistants not quite being on the same page as him, which results in confused QB's and these underdeveloped QB's get spit-out out as spent parts by their senior year. All the QB's that have made it to their senior year under JT have come out worse than when they first arrived. Their respective backups may have had a brilliant burst of inspired play (Levy and Riley) or, come-in like lost waterboy's (Mansion, Sweeney and now Bridgford).

Bridgford was a three-year starter for Bob Johnson (the real QB-guru) at Mission Viejo HS, broke nearly all of Mark Sanchez's records and set numerous other Orange County HS records. Four years later, he finally see's the field other than garbage time with the first unit and he looks like he's barely paid attention to practices...how does this happen?

Tree Cutter;841936464 said:

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Yup, today sucked all around. I don't think Bridgford has ever gotten a fair shake, in fact I don't think most of the QB's Tedford has had, has been given a fair shake. The playbook is the size of a phone book, he likes total immersion training, he likes to play chess matches that really doesn't amount to anything and he has ADD with his OC's. All of which has resulted in assistants not quite being on the same page as him, which results in confused QB's and these underdeveloped QB's get spit-out out as spent parts by their senior year. All the QB's that have made it to their senior year under JT have come out worse than when they first arrived. Their respective backups may have had a brilliant burst of inspired play (Levy and Riley) or, come-in like lost waterboy's (Mansion, Sweeney and now Bridgford).

Bridgford was a three-year starter for Bob Johnson (the real QB-guru) at Mission Viejo HS, broke nearly all of Mark Sanchez's records and set numerous other Orange County HS records. Four years later, he finally see's the field other than garbage time with the first unit and he looks like he's barely paid attention to practices...how does this happen?

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Fair point. But also to be fair, the Tedford as QB guru stuff needs to stop, not because he's lost his magic, but because he isn't even coaching the QBs and hasn't for years.

grandmastapoop;841936466 said:

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But also to be fair, the Tedford as QB guru stuff needs to stop, not because he's lost his magic, but because he isn't even coaching the QBs and hasn't for years.

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Agreed. There's no denying at this point that Cal football is where quarterbacks go to die. JT hasn't been coaching the QB's but, that's his specialty and as Chief Executive of Cal Football, his program is not making any of them better nor, is the team (or, any of the teams over the past-6 years) gelling around them.

At some point doesn't it just come down to playing football though? Where are the instincts from all these quarterbacks? I am not suggesting that JT has been doing a good job with them. I am just saying JT being bad and the quarterbacks sucking are not mutually exclusive.

grandmastapoop;841936466 said:

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Fair point. But also to be fair, the Tedford as QB guru stuff needs to stop, not because he's lost his magic, but because he isn't even coaching the QBs and hasn't for years.

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JT made a big, public deal on January 2011 that he was rededicating himself to personally coaching the QBs on an almost daily basis. He had magic, but now he has lost it (can he recapture it?), not only because of Maynard's continuing deficiencies but also the snail-paced development of Bridgford and Hinder. He cannot pass the buck on that front (QB development) any longer. How does that work anyhow: "I am simply negligent, not incompetent!" Negligence is a form of incompetence. Same goes for bad playcalling by Arroyo.

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;841936483 said:

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JT made a big, public deal on January 2011 that he was rededicating himself to personally coaching the QBs on an almost daily basis. He had magic, but now he has lost it (can he recapture it?), not only because of Maynard's continuing deficiencies but also the snail-paced development of Bridgford and Hinder. He cannot pass the buck on that front (QB development) any longer. How does that work anyhow: "I am simply negligent, not incompetent!" Negligence is a form of incompetence.

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Uhh, I wasn't defending him at all. I'm just saying, people can stop saying WHAT HAPPENED TO THE QB GURU because the QB guru simply resigned.

I remember some statements about how he would be more involved, too (though not about being as involved as you remember), but I also am reading practice reports and seeing practice videos and seeing interviews with Tedford, and it certainly seems that he is back in CEO mode.

calbear75;841936448 said:

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watching the replay now (was at the game earlier), and yes, most of the passes were catchable. Nevada made a lot of good def plays on the ball to jar or deflect the pass, but accuracy was MUCH better than ZM.

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Look at the replay again. Bridgford had absolutely no zip on his passes, he floated balls [U]and stared down receivers[/U] which allowed defenders to close and make plays. The balls were not "dropped" they were defended.

This is not a fluke, he now has 40 pass attempts as a Cal QB. Yet, Beau Sweeney, Joe Ayoob and Brock Mansion completed a higher percentage of their passes.

At some point results matter and 57% for 247 yards and 2 TDs over 3 quarters has to trump 12.5% for 8 yards over 1 quarter.

grandmastapoop;841936486 said:

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DUhh, I wasn't defending him at all. I'm just saying, people can stop saying WHAT HAPPENED TO THE QB GURU because the QB guru simply resigned.

I remember some statements about how he would be more involved, too (though not about being as involved as you remember), but I also am reading practice reports and seeing practice videos and seeing interviews with Tedford, and it certainly seems that he is back in CEO mode.

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you must have an in with Bill Belichick's video dude or Karnak the great...

grandmastapoop;841936486 said:

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Uhh, I wasn't defending him at all. I'm just saying, people can stop saying WHAT HAPPENED TO THE QB GURU because the QB guru simply resigned.

I remember some statements about how he would be more involved, too (though not about being as involved as you remember), but I also am reading practice reports and seeing practice videos and seeing interviews with Tedford, and it certainly seems that he is back in CEO mode.

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Uhh? ork:

Sure seemed like you were defending him as in He's no QB guru because he has nothing to do with QBs anyway, so he keeps his magic locked up in a safe place for future use. Very convenient deniability setup, although I don't think he's actually using that excuse for himself.

I doubt very much you can tell he's not coaching QBs from the short after-practice interviews he does and limited reports of rare open practices. For example, he spent quite a bit of time working on Boehm's mechanics for at least a couple of practices. Also he could spend a good deal of time with his passers indoors reviewing film. If he had gone back on his word from Jan 2011 of personally, directly, continually coaching QBs, that would make him negligent, which would not exculpate his incompetence at all. Maybe he took so long a break that he needs more than 20 months to recapture his magical guruness, but this 'he still has it but chooses not to use it' argument doesn't wash.

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;841936505 said:

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Uhh? ork:

+1

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;841936505 said:

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Uhh? ork:

Sure seemed like you were defending him as in He's no QB guru because he has nothing to do with QBs anyway, so he keeps his magic locked up in a safe place for future use. Very convenient deniability setup, although I don't think he's actually using that excuse for himself.

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I can see why you were confused. I'll be clear, again: I was not defending him. I agree with much of what you say, other than the thought that he's coaching them closely.

calumnus;841936496 said:

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Look at the replay again. Bridgford had absolutely no zip on his passes, he floated balls [U]and stared down receivers[/U] which allowed defenders to close and make plays. The balls were not "dropped" they were defended.

This is not a fluke, he now has 40 pass attempts as a Cal QB. Yet, Beau Sweeney, Joe Ayoob and Brock Mansion completed a higher percentage of their passes.



At some point results matter and Maynard should be benched. .500 sucks as a starter.

fixed it for you

grandmastapoop;841936507 said:

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I can see why you were confused. I'll be clear, again: I was not defending him. I agree with much of what you say, other than the thought that he's coaching them closely.

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and how do you know Karnak?

I can ask our radio analyst myself but please enlighten us.

I hope he is coaching them closely because, given his background, immense knowledge, and (until recently) proven track record, that would make a huge difference for our program's future (and his career). Come on, Coach. Focus on your strengths.

GoBears58;841936510 said:

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and how do you know Karnak?

I can ask our radio analyst myself but please enlighten us.

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I already explained the bits of evidence I've pieced together to come to this conclusion. I said it SEEMS he's in CEO mode. Bugger off. Stop being an ahole.

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;841936514 said:

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I hope he is coaching them closely because, given his background, immense knowledge, and (until recently) proven track record, that would make a huge difference for our program's future (and his career). Come on, Coach. Focus on your strengths.

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Agreed.

grandmastapoop;841936515 said:

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I already explained the bits of evidence I've pieced together to come to this conclusion. I said it's a hunch. Bugger off. Stop being an ahole.

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No you didn't you plonker..

Take your "bits" and bogus info and get stuffed.

GoBears58;841936509 said:

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calumnus;841936496 said:

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At some point results matter and Maynard should be benched. .500 sucks as a starter.

fixed it for you

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Elway was under .500 every year at Stanford, but by your logic he should have been benched too. You can't blame everything on the quarterback.

.500 sucks, but less than .500 is a losing record and sucks more.

Technically Bridgford was the starter in this game. For all we know, if he had completed more than 12.5% of his passes for 8 yards in a quarter he might have kept playing beyond the first quarter.

GoBears58;841936519 said:

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No you didn't you plonker..

Take your "bits" and bogus info and get stuffed.

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I edited before your reply. I said it seemed to me he was back in CEO mode. I see videos of our QB coach working closely with the QBs. Never Tedford. I read reports of Tedford making a mechanical fix to Boehm AFTER practice and it was reported as a very noteworthy thing because, it was implied, that Tedford working so closely with the QBs is not something that happens often. I even recall a post practice interview with Tedford where he stated that that occurrence was Boehm was not typical.

I follow this team a lot closer than you do, I can tell that much, or you'd know all that I listed above. Hence, my feeling that he is not working closely with the QBs day to day.

Bridgford is popular only because he's the 2nd string QB. What I said last year was confirmed yesterday: Bridgford's release is too slow and his passes float making him easy to defend. He is not the answer to our offensive woes.

You can not work on physical activity mechanics part time and, god forbid, have someone else also working on mechanics (I assume this is what Arroyo gets paid to do) and not cause problems. You are either all in or all out. Changing and ingraining throwing mechanics takes thousands of reps under ONE watchful eye. It does harm if you are only occasionally offering advice and then not following up on it. To me, this is what looks to be happening with all our QBs. They are stuck in some sort of mechanical limbo land and it is why all of them suffer accuracy issues. If Tedford isn't working 100% of the time with the QBs his advice during practice should be this: "I don't care how you do it but hit the receiver in stride and in the hands, EVERY DAMN TIME." And then he should move on. The QBs will figure it out or they won't play. And then he should talk to Arroyo alone and decide which QBs are over-thinking their mechanics and tell him to back off. Let those kids just throw for a while. January to August is throwing mechanics time. After that you've got to make the throws with what you have. And you've got to practice just making the throws with what you have. No more mechanics once team practices start.

82gradDLSdad;841936626 said:

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You can not work on physical activity mechanics part time and, god forbid, have someone else also working on mechanics (I assume this is what Arroyo gets paid to do) and not cause problems. You are either all in or all out. Changing and ingraining throwing mechanics takes thousands of reps under ONE watchful eye. It does harm if you are only occasionally offering advice and then not following up on it. To me, this is what looks to be happening with all our QBs. They are stuck in some sort of mechanical limbo land and it is why all of them suffer accuracy issues. If Tedford isn't working 100% of the time with the QBs his advice during practice should be this: "I don't care how you do it but hit the receiver in stride and in the hands, EVERY DAMN TIME." And then he should move on. The QBs will figure it out or they won't play. And then he should talk to Arroyo alone and decide which QBs are over-thinking their mechanics and tell him to back off. Let those kids just throw for a while. January to August is throwing mechanics time. After that you've got to make the throws with what you have. And you've got to practice just making the throws with what you have. No more mechanics once team practices start.

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If that is what is happening, then things are worse than we thought.

Truth be told, I simply can't take it anymore.

I am beyond tired of watching a game and realizing that I would trade QBs with our opponent of the day 100 out of 100 times. It doesn't even MATTER why our QBs are all lousy anymore. It IS Tedford's fault regardless. He is the head coach. He makes the calls on who gets coached and who coaches them.

We have been getting good prospects for years now, and we never develop ANYONE anymore. Maynard was always a ridiculous transfer IMO as why are we taking (much less starting) a transfer from Buffalo when we have multiple talented prospects who have spent more time in our system? To me it was just an admission of our own incompetence with regards to teaching the position.

Maynard seriously can't throw a five yard out with any consistency. He has no business starting for us as a Senior if he can't do that.

Finally - what the HELL happened to this offense? I HATED yesterday's play calling. Our size was one of our advantages over Nevada so we run some form of spread for the whole game? Why weren't we running between the tackles the whole game? Then, in addition, we run the spread and don't get Sofele more touches? Why was Anderson active in that offense? Personally, I would rather we had gone to two TEs and powered Anderson down their throat, and tried to sustain some drives to rest our D for their no-huddle. I just don't understand what we are doing at all. I HATE this offense, and Maynard can't run it.

I'm all negabear again after yesterday's performance. We can't get rid of Tedford fast enough. I don't think we even finish .500 after that display.

Bridgford looked awful in the Spring Game as well. Kline passed very well in that game, and should have been elevated to number 2 immediately. JT has a system in which talent cannot simply rise to the top.

The idea that Bridgford is above someone on a depth chart fills me with dread

BerlinerBaer;841935992 said:

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He won't.

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Thank goodness.

TarzanaBear;841936610 said:

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Bridgford was one of the top qb recruits in the country. This is not a steve levy situation. He certainly lookes horrible though. But if he had been given Maynards 13 starts I bet he'd be better than Maynard currently.

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Hard to say. Tedford has recruited lots of top prospects over the past decade, but few have panned out in terms of high performance on the field in my humble opinion. Nate Longshore was perhaps the best besides Aaron Rodgers, but was plagued with injuries that negatively impacted his production. Rodgers obviously was the real deal.

88Bear;841936640 said:

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Finally - what the HELL happened to this offense? I HATED yesterday's play calling. Our size was one of our advantages over Nevada so we run some form of spread for the whole game? Why weren't we running between the tackles the whole game? Then, in addition, we run the spread and don't get Sofele more touches? Why was Anderson active in that offense? Personally, I would rather we had gone to two TEs and powered Anderson down their throat, and tried to sustain some drives to rest our D for their no-huddle. I just don't understand what we are doing at all. I HATE this offense, and Maynard can't run it.

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Right. We played a scheme not suited to our superior talent (at least against Nevada) and confounded that error by underusing/misusing the TB more adequate for said scheme. The coaches probably lack the confidence in our O-Line to run a power run game against tOSUc and the majority of our conference foes; so, we'll probably be seeing more of the same approach for the rest of the season (hopefully with better utilization of personnel). If they were overconfident and kept stuff under wraps before the trip to Columbus, that blew up on their faces.

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;841937322 said:

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Right. We played a scheme not suited to our superior talent (at least against Nevada) and confounded that error by underusing/misusing the TB more adequate for said scheme. The coaches probably lack the confidence in our O-Line to run a power run game against tOSUc and the majority of our conference foes; so, we'll probably be seeing more of the same approach for the rest of the season (hopefully with better utilization of personnel). If they were overconfident and kept stuff under wraps before the trip to Columbus, that blew up on their faces.

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The running CJ wide and Isi up the middle was strange last year and it was strange yesterday. Tedford was talking about 2 TEs, I was really happy to see the no huddle, but he does know that you are allowed to go no huddle with two TEs, right?

GoBears58;841936346 said:

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You get an opportunity to land Keenan Allen, but only if you start Maynard at QB... You hang up.

sincerely,
Nick Saban

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I've seen a couple quotes along these lines since the game, and I take them as final proof of the....not-quite-thinking-it-throughness of many fans. You do realize that maynard (despite his many hideous failings) is easily the least bad option on our roster right now? If we don't land KA/ZM, we'd be starting Allen Bridgford (if you believe JT would have started zack kline this season under any circumstances punch yourself in the face hard) and he'd be throwing to Bryce Treggs, Chris Harper, and..........uh.......Jackson Bouza. We'd be a far weaker team right now without KA and ZM.

People, you're posting on a public forum for chrissake. Try a little harder not to be typical barstool fans bellowing at the TV for the back-up QB to be put in. This is an exact repeat of the Riley-sucks-only-Mansion-can-save-us stuff we saw a couple seasons ago. Bridgford is, by every bit of evidence we have, totally unable to compete at this level. If you still believe Maynard is starting only because of some deal JT made with KA I hope you don't mock the moon-truthers and the our-elites-are-reptilians folks, because you're engaging in the same paranoid goofiness.

lurkerbear;841937343 said:

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I've seen a couple quotes along these lines since the game, and I take them as final proof of the....not-quite-thinking-it-throughness of many fans. You do realize that maynard (despite his many hideous failings) is easily the least bad option on our roster right now? If we don't land KA/ZM, we'd be starting Allen Bridgford (if you believe JT would have started zack kline this season under any circumstances punch yourself in the face hard) and he'd be throwing to Bryce Treggs, Chris Harper, and..........uh.......Jackson Bouza. We'd be a far weaker team right now without KA and ZM.

People, you're posting on a public forum for chrissake. Try a little harder not to be typical barstool fans bellowing at the TV for the back-up QB to be put in. This is an exact repeat of the Riley-sucks-only-Mansion-can-save-us stuff we saw a couple seasons ago. Bridgford is, by every bit of evidence we have, totally unable to compete at this level. If you still believe Maynard is starting only because of some deal JT made with KA I hope you don't mock the moon-truthers and the our-elites-are-reptilians folks, because you're engaging in the same paranoid goofiness.

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Maynard is starting because Tedford can't or won't develop the young talent he has at hand....Maynard is starting because KA is a star and the other QB's aren't ready...they aren't ready because of JT. I can't believe that out of 3 guys, ALL who were rated out of high school leaps and bounds higher than ZM, all of them are lousy....

Allan Bridgford ranked #23 QB by Scout
Offers from:
ASU
Notre Dame
Stanford
Tennessee
Texas Tech

Austin Hinder ranked #24 QB by Scout
Offers from:
Alabama
Colorado
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Stanford
UCLA

Kyle Boehm ranked #17 QB by Scout
Offers from:
ASU
Northwestern
Washington
Texas Tech
Oregon State
Kansas State...and others

Zach Maynard ranked NR by Scout (but others say #100 or so)
Offers from:
Buffalo
Middle Tennessee
Temple...

OK, be honest. Do you think all our QB's in waiting are complete failures and unable to compete in Div 1 football if they had decent coaching? Maybe one, hell, maybe even 2 but not all 3 of those guys....All of them had offers from some big programs yet they can't play football....but Zach Maynard, ranked the lowest out of the bunch with offers from zero big programs besides Cal has superior skills?.....Honestly, I don't buy it. Now maybe he really is better then the other guys but not because they have no talent, it's because JT hasn't done a damn thing to get them ready for Div 1 football and I wonder what their parents think. One of those guys has much more innate talent and probably all of them than ZM but because their coaches have failed them, they languish on the sidelines while some other guy is pointing to his left arm......That is the problem I have.....