Darby;841964374 said:

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Hiring a new coach on the cheap is furd envy. They found hairball cheap. Since we are just as smart we can do it also must be the thinking. The only problem with that is the FB TV $ fueled arms race is just starting. Cal will not have a competitive FB program unless the money is invested in FB operations starting now.

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You might be right but the alternative, hiring a big name coach, Petersen, Petrino, Gruden, is very unlikely. I 100% guarantee you our hire will be a bigger name, at least to us, than Harbaugh was in early 2007.

LocoOso;841964411 said:

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And LOL at the people throwing out names like Kirby Smart and Manny Diaz.

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What's so funny about suggesting Manny Diaz? He is an up-and-coming assistant who will definitely look our way if he doesn't have SEC offers.

Keep pumpin'...

BerlinerBaer;841964467 said:

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You might be right but the alternative, hiring a big name coach, Petersen, Petrino, Gruden, is very unlikely. I 100% guarantee you our hire will be a bigger name, at least to us, than Harbaugh was in early 2007.



What's so funny about suggesting Manny Diaz? He is an up-and-coming assistant who will definitely look our way if he doesn't have SEC offers.

Keep pumpin'...

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Coordinators from Big SEC programs NEVER move to smaller schools. It's the law.

cough*Gus Malzahn*cough

cough*Jim McElwain*cough

It's unheard of.

Seriously though, if you're gonna take a realistic look at potential candidates, you have to consider not just what you think you know of Cal (you're prob wrong anyway-unless you're fiat who is always freakishly spot on), but the market for coaches right now. IF Sandy pulls the trigger later this season, Cal will be the ONLY legitimate west coast program with an opening. Certainly the only Pac school. Our biggest threats will be Tenn (prob looking), Auburn (maybe looking) and Arkansas (def). The number of outstanding coordinators that could double or tripple their pay is much greater than there are buyers right now. Of course that may change, but we'll be in a better position than if we'd done it last year competing with 4 other Pac schools.

Pros: There's no "building a program" required. Just wins and good academics. Facilities and CA recruiting are +A.

Neg: Football counter-culture.

If we can't land a decent coordinator type its because of the precarious financial position we'll be in if we can't negotiate a much smaller pay out for JT. Not because of some imaginary wall that stands between big time coordinators and Cal.

Remember when a 1-10 Cal doormat picked up the OC from the #2 ranked Fiesta Bowl champ? Time to do it again.

socaliganbear;841964502 said:

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Coordinators from Big SEC programs NEVER move to smaller schools. It's the law.

cough*Gus Malzahn*cough

cough*Jim McElwain*cough

It's unheard of.
Our biggest threats will be Tenn (prob looking), Auburn (maybe looking) and Arkansas (def).

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Remains to be seen about TN & Aub. Phillips, at Kentucky is a goner; being a hoop school they'll likely dip into the MWC & CUSA for a coach. Unless Louisville reworks his contract, Strong to Ark is all but certain.

If he doesn't know all the plays, then run the plays he does know. Even if he only knows 2 or 3 plays, put him in and run those. There is no excuse for not giving him a carry all day, unless he is injured, or being disciplined, and clearly, he wasn't, if he was in on kick returns.

On that great early run up the middle by Sofele, Bigelow might have run it all the way to the end zone.

:headbang

socaliganbear;841964502 said:

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Coordinators from Big SEC programs NEVER move to smaller schools. It's the law.

cough*Gus Malzahn*cough

cough*Jim McElwain*cough

It's unheard of.

Seriously though, if you're gonna take a realistic look at potential candidates, you have to consider not just what you think you know of Cal (you're prob wrong anyway-unless you're fiat who is always freakishly spot on), but the market for coaches right now. IF Sandy pulls the trigger later this season, Cal will be the ONLY legitimate west coast program with an opening. Certainly the only Pac school. Our biggest threats will be Tenn (prob looking), Auburn (maybe looking) and Arkansas (def). The number of outstanding coordinators that could double or tripple their pay is much greater than there are buyers right now. Of course that may change, but we'll be in a better position than if we'd done it last year competing with 4 other Pac schools.

Pros: There's no "building a program" required. Just wins and good academics. Facilities and CA recruiting are +A.

Neg: Football counter-culture.

If we can't land a decent coordinator type its because of the precarious financial position we'll be in if we can't negotiate a much smaller pay out for JT. Not because of some imaginary wall that stands between big time coordinators and Cal.

Remember when a 1-10 Cal doormat picked up the OC from the #2 ranked Fiesta Bowl champ? Time to do it again.

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Exactly.
And that's after declining to offer Marvin Lewis because he declined to make a 5-year commitment. Charlie Strong wanted the job, too, and he was an up-and-coming defensive coordinator from SEC (Oh, I just looked, he's now the HC of 5-0 #19 ranked Louisville, all 5 wins are against ranked teams).

SEC assistant level --> Head coach of Cal, is undoubtedly a big promotion.

Our situation right now is light years ahead of where we were in 2001. 2001 was depressing, because we had little talent and crumbling facilities. Now we have both, largedly thanks to Tedford, but he's long worn out his welcome.

LethalFang;841964599 said:

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Exactly.
And that's after declining to offer Marvin Lewis because he declined to make a 5-year commitment. Charlie Strong wanted the job, too, and he was an up-and-coming defensive coordinator from SEC (Oh, I just looked, he's now the HC of 5-0 #19 ranked Louisville, all 5 wins are against ranked teams).


SEC assistant level --> Head coach of Cal, is undoubtedly a big promotion.

Our situation right now is light years ahead of where we were in 2001. 2001 was depressing, because we had little talent and crumbling facilities. Now we have both, largedly thanks to Tedford, but he's long worn out his welcome.

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Kirby Smart is my first choice for JT's replacement.

best news ever in the last 2 years. thanks for the work you've done coach but you have outlived your stay.

LocoOso;841964411 said:

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Haha! Well said, bearister!

I think rational people can see that while Cal has struggled, this team is probably 5 plays from being 4-1 with a win over Ohio State. Jeff Tedford has simply done too much, including the new facilities, not to be given a chance to turn it around. It starts next week against UCLA, a team we will beat soundly.

And LOL at the people throwing out names like Kirby Smart and Manny Diaz.

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Tedford, is that you?

BearNIt;841964658 said:

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Tedford, is that you?

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It's his son, Quinn. Get with the program.

LethalFang;841964599 said:

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Our situation right now is light years ahead of where we were in 2001. 2001 was depressing, because we had little talent and crumbling facilities. Now we have both, largedly thanks to Tedford, but he's long worn out his welcome.

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And probation- don't forget. Not even bowl eligible. And we were getting blown out every game- starting with the 1st. That's not happening this year- so far anyway.

AirOski;841964450 said:

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That's a ...what.... $10 million announcement? We'll see. I think we're locked into Tedford for this year, and next, maybe even 2014.

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I guess you buy Wilner's calculation, then? Or are you throwing out that number for the purposes of stirring the pot?

If you read the 2007 and 2009 contract extensions (available at coacheshotseat.com) and do the calcs, then you realize that Wilner's figure is inflated. I calculate Tedford's per annum payoff at around $2.1 million, paid in monthly installments. That does not include annual Deferred Compensation payments, for which I am not certain that he would continue to collect after being fired.

Further, I do not believe that he would collect a Stadium Renovation bonus. He collects that only if he's the head coach on the day of the first home game after completion. The project timeline itself and indeed the actual state of the project is such that it will not be complete until January 2013; December 2012 at the earliest.

Additionally, Tedford must seek employment as a HC at the college level or as an assistant or HC at the NFL level. Cal's payments are reduced by the compensation paid by Tedford's subsequent employer. And he doesn't get paid if he does not seek employment.

In other words, Cal's annual outlay through 2015 could easily drop under $1.5 million. This isn't as big a sunk cost as you probably think it is.

GoldenYears;841964630 said:

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People like you demonstrate why people root for a 2/3 win season. Nothing can convince people like you that a change is needed other than a complete disaster of a season.

We are a lot farther away from 4-1 than 5 plays.

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+1

AirOski;841964772 said:

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+1

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LOL I'm only 5 numbers away from winning the $100 million super lotto.
I should give it another try? :facepalm

LethalFang;841964779 said:

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LOL I'm only 5 numbers away from winning the $100 million super lotto.
I should give it another try? :facepalm

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Yes, by gawd!

And so should every other Cal fan!

SFCityBear;841964598 said:

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If he doesn't know all the plays, then run the plays he does know. Even if he only knows 2 or 3 plays, put him in and run those. There is no excuse for not giving him a carry all day, unless he is injured, or being disciplined, and clearly, he wasn't, if he was in on kick returns.

On that great early run up the middle by Sofele, Bigelow might have run it all the way to the end zone.

:headbang

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It is his stubbornness in this one area that is causing fans to call on Sandy to fire him. We can deal with the occasional disappointing season and being outplayed at times, but witnessing a coach who refuses to play one of the fastest and gifted players on the team who appears to strike terror in the eyes of opposing coaches is nothing short of inexcusable.

FiatSlug;841964745 said:

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...Additionally, Tedford must seek employment as a HC at the college level or as an assistant or HC at the NFL level. Cal's payments are reduced by the compensation paid by Tedford's subsequent employer. And he doesn't get paid if he does not seek employment...

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What are the chances he would be offered a college HC job or NFL coordinator after this season?

southseasbear;841964829 said:

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What are the chances he would be offered a college HC job or NFL coordinator after this season?

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Don't ever underestimate the ability of the football world to attribute any Cal coach or AD's failings to Cal rather than to that individual. Lots of programs have put themselves in the unenviable position of having to spend years undoing the havoc wrought by our former employees- but that doesn't seem to stop them. I don't think JT will have any problem finding work if he seriously wants it. (More likely he won't really want it - and consequently wont look too terribly hard.)

Wow! Nothing like a little prejudice!

I'll gladly worship wealthy blowhards if they play a lead role in getting of Tedford ASAP.

cjbarker;841964882 said:

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Don't ever underestimate the ability of the football world to attribute any Cal coach or AD's failings to Cal rather than to that individual. Lots of programs have put themselves in the unenviable position of having to spend years undoing the havoc wrought by our former employees- but that doesn't seem to stop them. I don't think JT will have any problem finding work if he seriously wants it. (More likely he won't really want it - and consequently wont look too terribly hard.)

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He can definitely get a coordinator job somewhere -- he still has a good reputation in that area.

southseasbear;841964829 said:

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What are the chances he would be offered a college HC job or NFL coordinator after this season?

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I'm always amazed at the guys who are fired as a Head Coach and come back to work as a coordinator or an HC on a different level. It's the way of the coaching world. Very few guys retire or are forced into retirement at age 51.

sycasey;841964920 said:

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He can definitely get a coordinator job somewhere -- he still has a good reputation in that area.

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FiatSlug;841964938 said:

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I'm always amazed at the guys who are fired as a Head Coach and come back to work as a coordinator or an HC on a different level. It's the way of the coaching world. Very few guys retire or are forced into retirement at age 51.

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"Coordinator job somewhere" isn't good enough. He has to be hired as an NFL coordinator, which I think is unlikely in that he has never been an assistant in the big league. I could see him working as a college coordinator (basically a "restart") but that means he would still get his salary paid by Cal.

southseasbear;841964958 said:

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"Coordinator job somewhere" isn't good enough. He has to be hired as an NFL coordinator, which I think is unlikely in that he has never been an assistant in the big league. I could see him working as a college coordinator (basically a "restart") but that means he would still get his salary paid by Cal.

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I thought the deal in the contract was new salary PlUS X must equal to Cal's obligation to him. Thus if he he gets a OC job he doesn't get that PLUS the full boat from cal.

Tedford can get a OC job, in the NFL. If that's all he's doing, his offense could fly. I think he just has/had too much on his plate at Cal, the academics, the Tree Sitters, the increased competition.

socaltownie;841964972 said:

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I thought the deal in the contract was new salary PlUS X must equal to Cal's obligation to him. Thus if he he gets a OC job he doesn't get that PLUS the full boat from cal.

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It's been a while since I read it, but as I recall that offset only applies to a college HC job or coordinator or better in the NFL.

FiatSlug;841964745 said:

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Further, I do not believe that he would collect a Stadium Renovation bonus. He collects that only if he's the head coach on the day of the first home game after completion. The project timeline itself and indeed the actual state of the project is such that it will not be complete until January 2013; December 2012 at the earliest.
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Go slow, boys.

southseasbear;841964958 said:

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"Coordinator job somewhere" isn't good enough. He has to be hired as an NFL coordinator, which I think is unlikely in that he has never been an assistant in the big league. I could see him working as a college coordinator (basically a "restart") but that means he would still get his salary paid by Cal.

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I see your point, and I acknowledge the contractual stipulation.

The text of paragraph 21 of the 2007 contract extension reads, in part:

"The parties recognize that Coach has the duty to obtain other employment in mitigation of any damages he may sustain by virtue of the termination of this Employment Contract. It is expressly understood by the parties hereto that any payment so made to Coach will be reduced by any amounts received, or to be received at a later date, by Coach for rendition of services by Coach in a Head Coaching position at a college or university or in a head or assistant coaching position within the NFL, during the period of time in which Coach, pursuant to this Agreement would have been employed by the University if this contract had not been terminated."

I think this binds Tedford to look for employment in those positions stipulated where the University would receive a reduction in payments to Tedford for the remainder of the contract term.

I also think that this provides an opening for the University to negotiate with Tedford for a buyout of the remaining term should he fail to land employment in a stipulated position.

I don't think the University is as screwed as some people think it is.

FiatSlug;841965013 said:

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I see your point, and I acknowledge the contractual stipulation.

The text of paragraph 21 of the 2007 contract extension reads, in part:

"The parties recognize that Coach has the duty to obtain other employment in mitigation of any damages he may sustain by virtue of the termination of this Employment Contract. It is expressly understood by the parties hereto that any payment so made to Coach will be reduced by any amounts received, or to be received at a later date, by Coach for rendition of services by Coach in a Head Coaching position at a college or university or in a head or assistant coaching position within the NFL, during the period of time in which Coach, pursuant to this Agreement would have been employed by the University if this contract had not been terminated."

I think this binds Tedford to look for employment in those positions stipulated where the University would receive a reduction in payments to Tedford for the remainder of the contract term.

I also think that this provides an opening for the University to negotiate with Tedford for a buyout of the remaining term should he fail to land employment in a stipulated position.

I don't think the University is as screwed as some people think it is.

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We should send Thank You cards to Rice for reducing our financial obligation to Ben Braun.
He's actually not doing all that badly there. Nowhere near top level, but surviving just fine.

Let's fire Tedford for cause ala Lane Kiffin by Al Davis. Al's justification was that Kiffin was conducting an "immature and destructive campaign" of criticizing the team in the media. Tedford conducted an "immature and destructive campagin" of coaching the last 5 weeks.

FiatSlug;841965013 said:

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I see your point, and I acknowledge the contractual stipulation.

The text of paragraph 21 of the 2007 contract extension reads, in part:

"The parties recognize that Coach has the duty to obtain other employment in mitigation of any damages he may sustain by virtue of the termination of this Employment Contract. It is expressly understood by the parties hereto that any payment so made to Coach will be reduced by any amounts received, or to be received at a later date, by Coach for rendition of services by Coach in a Head Coaching position at a college or university or in a head or assistant coaching position within the NFL, during the period of time in which Coach, pursuant to this Agreement would have been employed by the University if this contract had not been terminated."

I think this binds Tedford to look for employment in those positions stipulated where the University would receive a reduction in payments to Tedford for the remainder of the contract term.

I also think that this provides an opening for the University to negotiate with Tedford for a buyout of the remaining term should he fail to land employment in a stipulated position.

I don't think the University is as screwed as some people think it is.

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Only says that he has to obtain other employment [U]but does NOT specify what type of employment[/U].
Obligation of Cal to him is only reduced if he's get a position as HC in college, or HC/assistant in NFL (specifically).
Tedford could get a non-stressful job as a commentator (e.g. Neuheisel) and still collect full compensation due from Cal.

Lol at Tedford as a talking head. Although, Belloti is better than what I expected.

SonOfCalVa;841965052 said:

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Only says that he has to obtain other employment [U]but does NOT specify what type of employment[/U].
Obligation of Cal to him is only reduced if he's get a position as HC in college, or HC/assistant in NFL (specifically).
Tedford could get a non-stressful job as a commentator (e.g. Neuheisel) and still collect full compensation due from Cal.

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I absolutely disagree. The two sentences are interdependent.

The first sentence sets out the condition that Coach must seek other employment to mitigate damages brought on by termination without cause.

The second sentence talks about the type of employment under which the damages payable by the University are mitigated.

FiatSlug;841965055 said:

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I absolutely disagree. The two sentences are interdependent.

The first sentence sets out the condition that Coach must seek other employment to mitigate damages brought on by termination without cause.

The second sentence talks about the type of employment under which the damages payable by the University are mitigated.

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Yep ... totally independent conditions.
Look for a job (but doesn't say what kind of job).
Offset what Cal owes for specific types of jobs.

JT gets a job.
But if not one of the ones specified, then he gets the entire cookie from Cal in addition to whatever he makes from the job.

SonOfCalVa;841965063 said:

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Yep ... totally independent conditions.
Look for a job (but doesn't say what kind of job).
Offset what Cal owes for specific types of jobs.

JT gets a job.
But if not one of the ones specified, then he gets the entire cookie from Cal in addition to whatever he makes from the job.

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:tedford

SonofCalVa disagrees. I think he's disagreeing to stir the pot.

There's no way that Cal's Asst. Chancellor-Legal Affairs signs off on the contract if the University is not protected by the clause.

Tedhead03;841963939 said:

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Can't help but daydream about how much better off we'll be without Tedford. Imagine when we get a real coach who plays the best guys. Just by replacing Maynard and starting Bigelow, our team should be vastly improved. Can't wait.

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^This is exactly the kind of garbage that makes BI such a shithole. I mean, your name is Tedhead03 and you've completely turned your back on and insulted your team and your coach (and your namesake) 5 games into the season. Nicely done.

I don't mean to single you out, but it really makes me sick to see so many people like you relentlessly beating a dead horse, or at least taking pleasure in beating the life out of a terminal horse, especially when it's your own horse, a horse that brought you here in the first place. No respect, and complete disregard for history.

Cal deserves a classier forum than this.