The next 4 seem to be the easier games before we end with OU and OSU.

If Cal does not win 4 of 6 and become bowl eligible is their a win total that insures Tedford comes back?

Other than Oregon there is no premier pac12 team and if Cal plays well and shows improvement we could win 6, unlikely but possible.

diva1;841971901 said:

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The next 4 seem to be the easier games before we end with OU and OSU.

If Cal does not win 4 of 6 and become bowl eligible is their a win total that insures Tedford comes back?

Other than Oregon there is no premier pac12 team and if Cal plays well and shows improvement we could win 6, unlikely but possible.

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We can, but no need to get ahead of ourselves. Proving we can win on the road next week against WSU is big. The following week is Big Game, enough said. The week after is UW with Sark and Tosh....

The next four teams like us are all flawed so, no.

I think that means yes. Doable. Not easy but the schedule is a little easier going forward. Still not sure what to make of Stanford. But each is a chess match given our ol weaknesses.

Well things certainly look better than 24 hours ago. Winning will do that.

About 4 in a row. I think it's possible but I think we might lose one game but could pick off one of the Oregon schools...maybe.

UO is #2 (ranked and as bowel movements) but Pendergast has done okay scheming against them. Not saying Cal will beat UO but there have been experiences this season as prep (tOSU at the shoe and $C away) not so much against the Pistol/gun but against top teams. (Although stomping UCLA's pistol was a big plus.)

Also, we will be playing Oregon at CMS and it should be totally electric in Cal's favor. The rise of CJA, could be a big boost, you know a big back that can help suck the clock down. Also I think the stadium renovation blows UO's mind and it funkifies them.

OSU away however could be brutal. Corvallis in November (esp at night) isn't much fun.

diva1;841971901 said:

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The next 4 seem to be the easier games before we end with OU and OSU.

Other than Oregon there is no premier pac12 team.....

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How about Stanford? They moved up to #17 in the Coaches pole, after winning (barely) yesterday.

I think so. Team was close against Nevada and Ohio State. Coach seems to have figured out how to accomodate our OL and DL has stepped up big time. Unlike past seasons, where we start strong but then fade away, it seems that this year will be quite the opposite. Can't overlook the easier games. Can't wait to play (and beat) WSU.

The only game of any importance as of now, should be WSU. Let's not complicate things.

^^^ +1 ...take it one game at a time.

That said, one game that should absolutely rock is UW, on a Friday night at CMS. There won't be homecoming but night games at CMS now seem to have a double secret home field advantage.

calumnus;841971909 said:

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We can, but no need to get ahead of ourselves. Proving we can win on the road next week against WSU is big. The following week is Big Game, enough said. The week after is UW with Sark and Tosh....

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Utah (Oct. 27) is between The Big Game (Oct. 20) and the UW game (Nov. 2).

I think that means yes. Doable. Not easy but the schedule is a little easier going forward. Still not sure what to make of Stanford. But each is a chess match given our ol weaknesses.

7-5 will save Tedford's job for one more season.

I'm thinking 5-7 will bring him back with the argument that we are playing a lot of freshman and sophomores, outside of Keenan Allen the best players on this team are frosh/sophs.

Only problem with this argument is once again we will be looking for a qb

diva1;841971976 said:

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I'm thinking 5-7 will bring him back with the argument that we are playing a lot of freshman and sophomores, outside of Keenan Allen the best players on this team are frosh/sophs.

Only problem with this argument is once again we will be looking for a qb

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Given his contract we will use any sign of hope as a reason to keep him. If 5-7 includes winning back the Axe and beating UW and are competitive and are not blown out in our losses with the Kline era starting next year, I am pretty sure he merely remains on the hot seat.

I lost track of the number of turnovers, and I think UCLA had around 12 penalties. I thought Cal played better, but UCLA's self-destruction covered-up a lot of Cal mistakes.

Even going 5-7 would imply upsetting at least one of Furd, UW, Oregon, and/or OSU, all of which could be ranked in the top 25. That would be a pretty nice win (or wins) and look good for Tedford if the team pulls it off.

Mediocre? Yes, but Tedford stays another year with at least 5 wins.

and we are wildly inconsistent. I don't think yesterday changes much. Also, we still played pretty sloppy but I am glad we started getting TDs instead of field goals, that was the biggest difference last night.

diva1;841971901 said:

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The next 4 seem to be the easier games before we end with OU and OSU.

If Cal does not win 4 of 6 and become bowl eligible is their a win total that insures Tedford comes back?

Other than Oregon there is no premier pac12 team and if Cal plays well and shows improvement we could win 6, unlikely but possible.

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Next four games are winnable. We are a flawed football team, but so are our next four opponents. WSU is improved but they still suck. Furd will be tough but I think we'll pull this one out. UW has an Oline that's even worse than ours. Utah is tough at home but they're one dimensional. Doable but tough.

diva1;841971976 said:

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I'm thinking 5-7 will bring him back with the argument that we are playing a lot of freshman and sophomores, outside of Keenan Allen the best players on this team are frosh/sophs.

Only problem with this argument is once again we will be looking for a qb

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I hate this argument. Once again we are making excuses for Tedford being a failure as a coach. Other teams play/start freshmen and don't then try to claim it was a bad season. If Tedford is the great coach that his supporters believe than he should be able to win even if he's starting 22 true freshman. :sarc:

I expect that a 5-7 season (the 2nd losing season in 3 years and the 4th season in the last 5 with no more than 7 wins) will be enough to convince the fans who are nostalgic for 2004 and 2006 to give Tedford another season to prove that he can no longer win consistently in the Pac-12.

It will be a sad day when Tedford leaves, he has meant a lot to the program, but from 2007-2011 he had 5 mediocre to poor seasons in a row, when will everyone accept that he's had a full recruiting cycle to fix the problems and failed. One more season won't change things.

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I hate this argument. Once again we are making excuses for Tedford being a failure as a coach. Other teams play/start freshmen and don't then try to claim it was a bad season. If Tedford is the great coach that his supporters believe than he should be able to win even if he's starting 22 true freshman. :sarc:

I expect that a 5-7 season (the 2nd losing season in 3 years and the 4th season in the last 5 with no more than 7 wins) will be enough to convince the fans who are nostalgic for 2004 and 2006 to give Tedford another season to prove that he can no longer win consistently in the Pac-12.

It will be a sad day when Tedford leaves, he has meant a lot to the program, but from 2007-2011 he had 5 mediocre to poor seasons in a row, when will everyone accept that he's had a full recruiting cycle to fix the problems and failed. One more season won't change things.

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I don't disagree, I just think that because of his contract (and yes, some amount of goodwill) any sliver of hope that can be grasped, will be--no one wants to pony up the money to buy him out unless it is absolutely, unequivocally, necessary.

No one will cite the contract when they make the excuses about youth, injuries, whatever, but the contract will be the real reason.

diva1;841971901 said:

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The next 4 seem to be the easier games before we end with OU and OSU.

If Cal does not win 4 of 6 and become bowl eligible is their a win total that insures Tedford comes back?

Other than Oregon there is no premier pac12 team and if Cal plays well and shows improvement we could win 6, unlikely but possible.

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Yes, the next 4 games are winnable, but it won't be easy.

Oct 13 - at WSU
Leach is a very good coach and the Cougars won't be a pushover despite the talent disparity. If the team we saw defeat UCLA shows up, Cal will pull out a win, if the team that faced USC and ASU shows up, Cal will likely lose an away game. Before UCLA I thought this was no better than 50/50, now I'd say its 80/20 that Cal will win this one.

Oct 20 - Big Game
Stanford found it's offense against Arizona (admittedly Zona has no defense this season.). They have been playing tough against the run, and will definitely try to get Maynard out of his comfort zone and throwing on the run. With the O-line still less than stellar the Cal offense is likely to struggle, but it is Big Game. I'll be generous and put this at 45/55. Stanford is enough better at the moment that they should win this one.

Oct 27 - At Utah.
Utah has a defense, but absolutely no offense. Worse, their strength is on the D-line and interior LBs, which will put a ton of pressure on the Cal O-line. And its away. However, the lack of an offense makes this one where Cal can win if they get 3 TDs. 85/15 for Cal at the moment.

Nov 2 - UW
Washington's big problem is the lack of an O-line. They have shown that they have an aggresive swarming defense which should match up well against Cal, but their offense is extremely weak compared to last season. I expect both teams to be hyped up at least some due to the Tosh-gate situation. Unfortunately, Sark has definitely had Tedford's number and seems to have little trouble defeating Cal. 40/60 on Cal to win.

I my mind 2-2 is by far the most likely outcome at the moment. I'd be thrilled to see Cal pull out 3-1, which would get us to 5-7 if we consider Oregon and OSU as sure losses to end the season.

We have a tough schedule and it will not get any easier. Furd might be our best shot at a win.

I think the Utah and Oregon State games are the two toughest. Both are horrible places to play and it will be cold as hell that late in the season. It is my observation that both teams tend to get great home cooking by the refs for whatever reason. And then there is the Utah altitude.

It will be in the low 40s and raining at Wazzoo Saturday. That is no walk in the park by any means.

Great win yesterday but talking about 4 in a row is ill-advised.

May seem overly obvious but Cal can win those games *IF* (you knew there was one) the oline plays well, stays healthy...and does the other stuff like execute, play D. But the oline has been the big issue this season (due to injuries). Lets hope it's behind us.

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It will be in the low 40s and raining at Wazzoo Saturday. That is no walk in the park by any means.

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Hopefully the running game, with Rogers at TE and Stevens at H-back, dominates in those conditions.

mvargus;841972043 said:

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I hate this argument. Once again we are making excuses for Tedford being a failure as a coach. Other teams play/start freshmen and don't then try to claim it was a bad season. If Tedford is the great coach that his supporters believe than he should be able to win even if he's starting 22 true freshman. :sarc:

I expect that a 5-7 season (the 2nd losing season in 3 years and the 4th season in the last 5 with no more than 7 wins) will be enough to convince the fans who are nostalgic for 2004 and 2006 to give Tedford another season to prove that he can no longer win consistently in the Pac-12.

It will be a sad day when Tedford leaves, he has meant a lot to the program, but from 2007-2011 he had 5 mediocre to poor seasons in a row, when will everyone accept that he's had a full recruiting cycle to fix the problems and failed. One more season won't change things.

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ah yes, Recruiting.
Following the season are the non-bowl days, then the holidays, then LOI day.
The class so far is small and, based upon stars, not exceptional.
And very few OL will be in the 2013 class.

"Can we win next 4 in a row?"


No.

Oregon St. is looking unbeatable right now. But OSU is not very deep. There success depends on their starters staying healthy. I wonder how healthy they will be after having played BYU (tough D), Utah (tough DL), ASU (tough DL) and furd (very tough D).

IMHO, we won't have to play the current OSU team in Corvallis on 11/17. Which is good because I don't think we get 6 wins without beating the Beavers. I believe in this team. I think they can do it. Expecting them to win the next 4 in a row is too much to ask. I think they can win the 2 home games and the WSU game. The Utah game is too much of a trap game for me to pencil in a W.

1947;841972183 said:

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"Can we win next 4 in a row?"


No.

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"No" is right. Two more wins, maybe three. At BEST it's 5-7.

Not to mention that under JT we will continue to remain inconsistent and mediocre. Sadly, keeping him would just prolong this.....and waste promising young careers.

Cal wins a game against an overrated UCLA team now they're going to go on a 5 game tear? Wins are nice, but last night changed nothing for me as far as Tedford goes.

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I hate this argument. Once again we are making excuses for Tedford being a failure as a coach. Other teams play/start freshmen and don't then try to claim it was a bad season. If Tedford is the great coach that his supporters believe than he should be able to win even if he's starting 22 true freshman. :sarc:

I expect that a 5-7 season (the 2nd losing season in 3 years and the 4th season in the last 5 with no more than 7 wins) will be enough to convince the fans who are nostalgic for 2004 and 2006 to give Tedford another season to prove that he can no longer win consistently in the Pac-12.

It will be a sad day when Tedford leaves, he has meant a lot to the program, but from 2007-2011 he had 5 mediocre to poor seasons in a row, when will everyone accept that he's had a full recruiting cycle to fix the problems and failed. One more season won't change things.

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Not to defend Tedford, but your argument is bad.

Look at Riley at OSU, he gave up last season so he can start a lot of freshmen and sophomore. They went 3-9, they weren't great the season before either. But look at them this year, you can say that Tedford is not as good as Riley, but if you don't give tedford a chance to turn it around like Riley was given, then you will never know whether or not he can turn it around.

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Not to defend Tedford, but your argument is bad.

Look at Riley at OSU, he gave up last season so he can start a lot of freshmen and sophomore. They went 3-9, they weren't great the season before either. But look at them this year, you can say that Tedford is not as good as Riley, but if you don't give tedford a chance to turn it around like Riley was given, then you will never know whether or not he can turn it around.

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2007 - the team collapsed in the second half of the season. I thought it was a sign that Tedford was done as a coach, but gave him an opportunity to "turn it around". We did improve in 2008 and 2009.

2010 - The team had another collapse and finished the season on a horrible note after Kevin Riley went down with an injury, this time I was already 99.9% sure that Tedford was not going to do much, but I accepted he needed a chance to "turn it around." We got last seasons 7-6 record and now the disastrous start to 2012. I didn't "turn it around."

I'm not giving him a third chance. As far as I'm concerned we've been seeing if Tedford can "turn it around" since 2007. 5 years is more than enough. All evidence says that he is not able to make the necessary fixes.

But there are too many fans who only appear to think that "Tedford almost got us to a Rose Bowl." and absolutlely refuse to accept that he's just not that good of a coach.

The reality is that we were just as close if not closer to a Rose Bowl on 1991 when Bruce Synder was the head coach, only a close loss to UW at home kept us from the Rose Bowl that season.

After a loss, people wonder if we will win another game.

After a win, people wonder if we can reel off 4 in a row.

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After a loss, people wonder if we will win another game.

After a win, people wonder if we can reel off 4 in a row.

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One game at a time.
I'm throwing a couple of dice, trying to roll four double-6s in a row.
No "luck" so far and it's boring.
One game at a time.

Davidson;841972443 said:

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After a loss, people wonder if we will win another game.

After a win, people wonder if we can reel off 4 in a row.

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Perfect