If next year he starts Zach Kline, and they start winning again.

This fanbase has gone south. It'll take a lot more than just Kline starting to change that. But hey, if Barry Zito can do it why not JT? It would take that kind of miracle turnaround.

NOPE....it's not just the qb.

I don't care who starts at QB, as long as he wins.

matadude;841985271 said:

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If next year he starts Zach Kline, and they start winning again.

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If Cal starts winning again (against decent teams), this would mean that JT has corrected his problems. Right now the continual losses (against decent teams) are evidence of his problems.

It is not the qb. It is the man behind the poncho.

matadude;841985271 said:

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If next year he starts Zach Kline, and they start winning again.

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I love Kline's potential at QB, but something tells me he might end up running for cover like Tyler Wilson at Arkansas.

The whole QB = Messiah deal at Cal is pathetic. Like the top dogs of the PAC (Oregon and USC) Kline needs to be surrounded by similar talent on the other Units if Cal wants to reach the Rose Bowl or any decent Bowl during his career.

Weird -- I cannot click onto about first 14 title threads. It's been like that since yesterday. As for this topic @matadude, I don't know. I'm just very jaded. It may be a godsend that I can't talk about football too much.

If we could win the Pac-12 North I don't care who is starting at QB. If we start Kline and have another losing season that will still suck.

I for one was tired of mediocrity of last season, but now that we have fallen down into the bottom tier of the conference it is clearly time to change something other than the starting QB. We needed improvement this season over the last 2 -- and that is not what we are getting.
Change is needed before next season. Don't fancy another one like this one.

Seems to me we had another QB who has done quite well in the NFL, and he was here at a time when the conference was not as strong. Funny I don't remember that Rose Bowl or BCS game. So, why after 5 years of mediocrity why would you or anyone think some hot shot kid is going to rescue the program under a coach that has lost it and is only getting worse.

To ask that question...well, if pigs could fly they would have wings!

:hammer:

Our Domicile;841985291 said:

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I love Kline's potential at QB, but something tells me he might end up running for cover like Tyler Wilson at Arkansas.

The whole QB = Messiah deal at Cal is pathetic. Like the top dogs of the PAC (Oregon and USC) Kline needs to be surrounded by similar talent on the other Units if Cal wants to reach the Rose Bowl or any decent Bowl during his career.

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I agree. The problem is, we HAVE had tremendous talent with mediocre/under-performing QBs lately..and everyone wants Kline to somehow pull us out of the cellar. It's not going to happen next year under ANY coach..and may take 2 or more years to get us "respectable" under the circumstances. Like it or not, we have gone backwards as a program in spite of the recruits that are coming in. Kline will need a supporting cast and coherent/motivated coaching staff. Kline, Bigelow, Treggs..can't do it alone without leadership.

No. Even if Kline plays a great game and CAL were somehow to win it is so crystal clear the gap that currently exists between the top program_S_ in the North and the Bears. Unless/until Tedford lays out a PUBLIC plan for closing that gap he is dead to me.

CalBearz02;841985393 said:

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Tedfor could win with a good qb despite his own issues.

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I don't agree. I think a QB would have to be a bit better than A Rodgers to overcome the current Tedford. We're talking all-american caliber!

Tedford has completely lost an ability to run this program effectively. Klein or another QB may result in a few more wins than this year but there is no way we will ever again be better than middle of the Pac as long as Terdford is the coach. He's done, finished, fini. Anyone that thinks otherwise either hasn't watched the games, doesn't know anything about football, or is just incompetent.

is it just me, or did half the people not read your question? You did say and "start winning again." A bunch of the answers were as if you just asked, "what if Kline was the starter"...
If Tedford remains the coach, and assuming a predictable finish to the season, there will be such a negative vibe going into the year, and not just from here...the media will be wolves at the door from LOI day, through spring ball, and into the Summer. For Tedford and the team to be winning, it will be very much an "us vs. them" mentality...how could there not be a bandwagon affect? Not sure how many wins you were talking...

Win or win. It seems this board will be behind him.
Go Bears!

The problem will be if we start Kline there will only be 1,984 plays that he will go onto the field with. But obviously, he will only get to run maybe 40-50 of them per game. It will be up to the opposing defensive coordinator whether or not he allows Kline to have any success. The Rose Bowl is not up to us to achieve, but for the rest of of the conference to relinquish to us.

What good is Kline if we run ISI up the middle on 4th and 1 from the 1.

89Bear;841985448 said:

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I don't agree. I think a QB would have to be a bit better than A Rodgers to overcome the current Tedford. We're talking all-american caliber!

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I disagree. With a better QB (even with the Oline problems) Cal would likely have won the Nevada, ASU games and probably the USC game.
That would put Cal at 6-2.
[Note: I am including those games where Cal was competitive in the 4th Qtr and ZM did not have a strong game)

Cal would also likely win the UW and Utah games.
That would put Cal at 8-4.

While that would not satisfy many on this board (since better Oline play could have allowed Cal to get to a 9 or 10 win season).
But it would be enough for the vast majority of Cal fans (and DONORS)

As John Madden has said: Winning is a great deodorant.

Even with Kline as savior, JT would find a way to coach us out of at least one, if not two games, plus the pac12 championship game. The best we can hope for with JT is to win 10 games in spite of him.

Depending on your definition of "win". Obviously, if Zach Kline starts the season and we go 13-1 or something and win the Rose Bowl, no one will be calling for Tedford to be fired (I bet not even the late Drunkoski). What the replies here point to is the fact that no one believes that this is remotely possible w/ out a coaching change, no matter who is under center.

Most folks like JT, want him to succeed, think he is a good representative of the school, etc. Its about the direction of the program. Even for most JT bashers. If he was winning now, the tone of not only fans here, but in the stadium and elsewhere would be different.

FWIW, next year's QB, whoever he is, better have a substantially improved line in front him, or expect similar results to this year. And don't think the loss of KA won't have an impact. He is an outstanding player and leader.

matadude;841985271 said:

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If next year he starts Zach Kline, and they start winning again.

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Nope. Jeez, how many boneheaded things does a coach have to do before people have had it with him?? How less inspiring could a coach possibly be?

This Board has been far too patient with Tedford - these are not new developments...

SmellinRoses;841985504 said:

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Nope. Jeez, how many boneheaded things does a coach have to do before people have had it with him?? How less inspiring could a coach possibly be?

This Board has been far too patient with Tedford - these are not new developments...

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+100. I will be upset if JT is at the helm next year, whoever our QB is. He has shown what he can do, and he has shown what he can't do. The last years have been in the can't do category.

It sounds like the OP is pro-manslaughter because Kline under center with Ted and Coach M = Kline getting killed.

matadude;841985271 said:

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If next year he starts Zach Kline, and they start winning again.

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The problem with the question is that next year is most likely too long to wait. We'll have a new QB no matter what anyway, so the ZM debate solves itself.

JT needed to make changes in his approach THIS year. Instead, he hasn't done much to improve the team and look at Cal's performance.

Only way I can see there being hope in JT for next year is if a new QB is inserted this year and he performs well.... regardless of the W/L. If that doesn't happen and the season just ends with a whimper, the expectation for next year is more of the same from JT and probably that he would continue in his failure to develop QB's. It may be too late for anything to help.... the OSU FG call, among others, just continues the string of really bad game day management that may have soured a lot of supporters to a point where they may never come back.

matadude;841985271 said:

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If next year he starts Zach Kline, and they start winning again.

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Tedford is 23-27 in his last 50 conference games (5.5 seasons). He is 12-20 against FBS opponents since we last beat Furd, and 5 of those wins are against Colorado and Washington State.

Sure if he goes on a crazy win streak, including wins over tough opponents, then everyone's tone should change. Just like if UCLA kept Neuheisel and with a new QB in Hundley this year, he went on a tear. Would that have made Slick Rick a good coach? Maybe, but the point is that it wasn't going to happen. The problem was and is the coach.

the_purple_drank;841985479 said:

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"probably the USC game" :rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh: :rollinglaugh:

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laugh all you want. But against USC (even with all the screw-ups by the Oline and ZM), Cal was down by just 8 points in the 4th quarter and driving for a TD until ZM threw a pick in the endzone to a covered receiver. What hurt more than anything, is that there was a wide open Cal receiver just behind the covered receiver.

So with a better QB, Cal probably gets that TD and avoids the earlier (and later) mistakes by ZM. IMO the USC game was as win-able as the Nevada and ASU games.

I think the OL and the whole team will play better if Kline is our QB next year. Like the 2007 AFB when Riley came in.

I was in the camp of giving JT 3 or 4 years to see how he will do with the sahpc but given how poorly our team has looked and performed and the number of blow out losses and uninspired play, JT needs to go.

is his use of personnel and failure to motivate individuals or the team. You can't fit square pegs into round holes, yet Tedford's offensive schemes appear to be just that these days.

the_purple_drank;841985559 said:

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Why would a 4-game sample size indicate a change as opposed to the negative trends of 6 straight seasons?

Cal can go 3-1, create false optimism on this board, have 8-9 win expectations next year, and likely go 6-6 again.

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I think most folks see a downward trend since 2007 without much reason to expect improvement, with consistently bad decisions in almost all areas that a head coach is involved in.

He could turn it around, theoretically, but all signs point towards continued decline except where overwhelming talent masks his shortcomings as a head coach. We all know that personality doesn't change easily, and many of JT's problems stem from his personality traits/flaws (the inflexibility/stubborness, adherence to traditional values and inability to adapt to the modern game, etc.) and so a logical person wouldn't reasonably expect a dramatic turn around.

The bottom line, though, is that keeping JT on as head coach is a greater risk at this point than getting a brand new coach, even an up and coming coach without a proven track record. That really means his time is up as Cal's head coach.

It is Tedford's responsibility to find and develop a good quarterback. He has not done so in years. The problem is with the coach, the scheme, or both. At some point Tedford must be held responsible for the mediocre performance of the team. He simply is not getting it done. No more excuses.

No, this isn't about one player, one game, even one season.....this ineptitude has gone for several years now in many areas of the program......if we have a slight bump up, so what? If we show a little improvement, I'd just be thinking how much better we'd be with a really good coach. I'm worried Tedford would just waste what talent we have.
Time to move on.......

68great;841985571 said:

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laugh all you want. But against USC (even with all the screw-ups by the Oline and ZM), Cal was down by just 8 points in the 4th quarter and driving for a TD until ZM threw a pick in the endzone to a covered receiver. What hurt more than anything, is that there was a wide open Cal receiver just behind the covered receiver.

So with a better QB, Cal probably gets that TD and avoids the earlier (and later) mistakes by ZM. IMO the USC game was as win-able as the Nevada and ASU games.

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a decade is not enough to tear you from that opinion? Wow.

you did a nice job of trying to de-personalize it a bit. For the tone to be anything short of just overly hateful, I guess there needs to be something for fans to hold onto from the end of this year (lose only to Oregon to end the year?) and Sandy makes a definitive statement as soon as the season is over that Tedford is back. I might be grasping here, and its hard to imagine that he is back.
I like to think that the young O-linemen step up and are solid next year...yeah, over the top optimism for 2nd year players, but what the hell...