BEWARE of MacIntyre, Dykes and Andersen

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ducky23
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Three names that keep popping up are Mike MacIntyre, Sonny Dykes and Gary Andersen. All three have extremely similar track records. They are all having career seasons after several mediocre seasons beforehand. Is this a sign that these coaches are program builders who have finally turned around their teams after several mediocre seasons prior? Or are their current seasons a flash in the pan? Lets look closer.

Mike MacIntyre: Current SJ State HC. Previous records of 1-12, 5-7. Now 8-2. Why the turnaround? MacIntyre brought in a new QB named David Fales, who most believe is the best QB SJ State has ever seen. So was it MacIntyre who is turning around SJ State or is Fales SJ State's version of AR? Another problem with Mac is that they play in the WAC. Their most impressive win was over Navy and they lost both of their games against legitimate competition (although stanford game was close, they got blown out at home against Utah State).

Gary Andersen: Current Utah State HC. Previous records of 4-8, 4-8, 7-6. Current record of 8-2. Why the turnaround? Enter soph QB Chuckie Keeton who will most likely break every Utah St. QB record once he is done. So again, was it Andersen who turned around the program? Or is Andersen closer to being a 4-8 coach with an all-world QB? Andersen also has the misfortune of playing in the WAC, although they do have decent wins over Utah and SJ state and had close losses to BYU and Wisconsin.

Sonny Dykes: Current Louisiana Tech HC. Previous records of 5-7, 8-5. Current record of 9-1. Good wins over Illinois, Houston and Virginia. Impressive two point loss to Texas A&M. So why the turnaround? Enter Colby Cameron, who set an NCAA record for not throwing an INT in 358 pass attempts. He is also a dark horse Heisman candidate. With Dykes, I think you could make the argument that its his system that makes his QB's so good. But Dykes didn't score the amount of points or have the same level of QB play last year (with a different QB). So is it Cameron or Dykes? I think the jury is still out.

Bottom line, with all three coaches above, its possible that they have finally turned around their programs and they are now finally seeing the fruits of their labors. OR its equally possible that they are all riding the coattails of their Star QB's and their previous mediocre records are more indicative of their coaching level. I think Dykes may have the best argument, because he does have a unique offensive system, so maybe he is worth a look. The other two candidates?-way too short of a track record and way too many question marks. Especially the big red flag that they both have all-star QB's right now and have not won prior.

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Who I would like to see (if we can't land Petersen) is Dave Doeren who is currently the HC at Northern Illinois. He's only had two seasons as the HC, but his last season he was 11-3. This season 9-1 with a narrow loss to Iowa in a game they probably should have won. He was previously the DC at Wisconsin back when their defenses were extremely stout, so he has big time coordinator experience. The big difference I see with Doeren when compared to the other coaches listed above is that he's had two good seasons in a row (not just one). And the most important part is that Doeren has done it with TWO different QB's. So its much more likely that Doeren's success has more to do with him than his QB's.

One other thing, for those worrying about our academics. His team is 9th in the NCAA in APR. Not sure how much that had to do with him (since he probably wasn't around for those years), but it shows he can coach at a school that places an emphasis on academics.

Lastly, I've linked a page that talks about his offensive and defense philosophies. I'd like to point a few things out from this page: http://www.niuhuskies.com/niu-football/our-game.html

"We do not run a ton of plays but we do believe in running them from a variety of looks. The end result is our players playing extremely fast and physical football."

"Our design is very simple, sound, and adjustable to the various looks we will see throughout the season from defensive teams."

"We will feature our playmakers"

"Once you are here we will modify our schemes to fit and feature our playmaker's abilities with the design. We are all about using our player's strength's and hiding our player's weaknesses."

These are all characteristics that Tedford DOES NOT have. Doeren is young, energetic and a great recruiter. He's going to get offers from some BCS schools this year (Purdue sounds like the primary suitor right now), but I think we are a more attractive destination than some of the middling Big Ten schools.

So assuming we go with the young up and coming coach, my preference is clearly Doeren. In my opinion, its too much of a risk to hire a coach who is having one career season with a star QB.
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Fantastic post! I hope sandy reads this and we interview this guy. Couldn't agree more bout the qb giving the coach an amazing season every now and then, although I those coaches all play to win, that will still be an improvement.
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We are lethargic and down.

We need panache.

Herm Edwards!
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If they come cheap, I'm okay with them. The key is that Cal needs to avoid paying big bucks for unproven guys who don't have any name value (like the NFL coaches or big name college/pro coordinators, etc.) that could help with recruiting and generating excitement about the program.
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Thanks Ducky. I like this guy from NIU. Pair him up with the Colorado School of Mimes (just kidding, I know it's Mines) HC and call it a day. Just kidding but I wouldn't be too upset if that happened.

Forward this analysis link to Sandy on her Twitter. I know she's searching under every rock right now but I'm sure it's a bit overwhelming -- wouldn't hurt.
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calfanz;842004799 said:

We are lethargic and down.

We need panache.

Herm Edwards!


Ugh, Herm Edwards? He's more like a barber not Panache, a really cool hair cut place on the corner of Bancroft and Telegraph back in the day. No re-treads. Find the next Chip Kelly.
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one way or another hope the consideration/ veedding(sp) process is extremely thorough and up to snuff A LOT is riding on this move
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Response to Ducky 23
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Who I would like to see (if we can't land Petersen) is Dave Doeren who is currently the HC at Northern Illinois. He's only had two seasons as the HC, but his last season he was 11-3. This season 9-1 with a narrow loss to Iowa in a game they probably should have won. He was previously the DC at Wisconsin back when their defenses were extremely stout, so he has big time coordinator experience. The big difference I see with Doeren when compared to the other coaches listed above is that he's had two good seasons in a row (not just one). And the most important part is that Doeren has done it with TWO different QB's. So its much more likely that Doeren's success has more to do with him than his QB's.

One other thing, for those worrying about our academics. His team is 9th in the NCAA in APR. Not sure how much that had to do with him (since he probably wasn't around for those years), but it shows he can coach at a school that places an emphasis on academics.

Lastly, I've linked a page that talks about his offensive and defense philosophies. I'd like to point a few things out from this page: http://www.niuhuskies.com/niu-football/our-game.html

"We do not run a ton of plays but we do believe in running them from a variety of looks. The end result is our players playing extremely fast and physical football."

"Our design is very simple, sound, and adjustable to the various looks we will see throughout the season from defensive teams."

"We will feature our playmakers"

"Once you are here we will modify our schemes to fit and feature our playmaker's abilities with the design. We are all about using our player's strength's and hiding our player's weaknesses."

These are all characteristics that Tedford DOES NOT have. Doeren is young, energetic and a great recruiter. He's going to get offers from some BCS schools this year (Purdue sounds like the primary suitor right now), but I think we are a more attractive destination than some of the middling Big Ten schools.

So assuming we go with the young up and coming coach, my preference is clearly Doeren. In my opinion, its too much of a risk to hire a coach who is having one career season with a star QB.





My Response,

Compliments for your well detailed research. Cal's academic competition level will be much further up the scale from what he has experienced, but if he understands the basics of difficult time budgeting athletes need to make to handle both their sport and the demands of the classroom there is an opportunity for success.
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Good stuff. Well researched.

I'm wary of MacIntyre, Dykes and Andersen because of the weak-a** conferences they play in....but I like Anderson of USU the best of that trio. His Aggie Teams sure are competitive and they almost shocked Auburn @ Auburn last year.

Sonny Dykes was the OC at Arizona State....and we sure as hell weren't raving about that dude as a potential HC back then when we were beating the Sun Devils on a consistent basis or playing competitive against them.

Northern Illinois is fun to watch (yes, I watch MAC football when channel surfing, lol) and I think I brought them up here before in a post about Butch Jones (former MAC coach).

Mike Dunbar is their OC! Talk about the irony! I guess when no Tedford is around to interfere with him, he does pretty good with that spread-stuff.

HC Doeren's ability to verbalize his football philosophy is very refreshing. It doesn't come across like typical "coachspeak" to me. Instead, there seems to be a method to the madness in the background.

Former Wiscy DC....he's different from the offensive gurus the other PAC schools brought in...and that might be a good thing.

Recruiting could become more "national" with a guy like him. Wouldn't hurt to interview him. Really like his NIU Huskies.
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Our Domicile;842004816 said:

Good stuff. Well researched.

I'm wary of MacIntyre, Dykes and Andersen because of the weak-a** conferences they play in....but I like Anderson of USU the best of that trio. His Aggie Teams sure are competitive and they almost shocked Auburn @ Auburn last year.

Sonny Dykes was the OC at Arizona State....and we sure as hell weren't raving about that dude as a potential HC back then when we were beating the Sun Devils on a consistent basis or playing competitive against them.

Northern Illinois is fun to watch (yes, I watch MAC football when channel surfing, lol) and I think I brought them up here before in a post about Butch Jones (former MAC coach).

Mike Dunbar is their OC! Talk about the irony! I guess when no Tedford is around to interfere with him, he does pretty good with that spread-stuff.

HC Doeren's ability to verbalize his football philosophy is very refreshing. It doesn't come across like typical "coachspeak" to me. Instead, there seems to be a method to the madness in the background.

Former Wiscy DC....he's different from the offensive gurus the other PAC schools brought in...and that might be a good thing.

Recruiting could become more "national" with a guy like him. Wouldn't hurt to interview him. Really like his NIU Huskies.


Dykes was the OC at Arizona and with Nick Foles and Criner they had a pretty efficient (I wouldn't call explosive) offense.
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Here's a short version.

Coach needs to get the players.
Davidson
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Sonny Dykes, make it so.

That offense they run would be perfect for us. We can finally put some points on the board win games. Don't give that crap about weak conference. Dykes will have better athletes on offense @ CAL to go against the better defenses.

Plus, they put 57 points on Texas A&M with their guys. You know, the same Texas A&M that runs the same offense that beat some team ranked #1 this past weekend?
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ducky23;842004789 said:

Three names that keep popping up are Mike MacIntyre, Sonny Dykes and Gary Andersen. All three have extremely similar track records. They are all having career seasons after several mediocre seasons beforehand. Is this a sign that these coaches are program builders who have finally turned around their teams after several mediocre seasons prior? Or are their current seasons a flash in the pan? Lets look closer.

Mike MacIntyre: Current SJ State HC. Previous records of 1-12, 5-7. Now 8-2. Why the turnaround? MacIntyre brought in a new QB named David Fales, who most believe is the best QB SJ State has ever seen. So was it MacIntyre who is turning around SJ State or is Fales SJ State's version of AR? Another problem with Mac is that they play in the WAC. Their most impressive win was over Navy and they lost both of their games against legitimate competition (although stanford game was close, they got blown out at home against Utah State).



Gary Andersen: Current Utah State HC. Previous records of 4-8, 4-8, 7-6. Current record of 8-2. Why the turnaround? Enter soph QB Chuckie Keeton who will most likely break every Utah St. QB record once he is done. So again, was it Andersen who turned around the program? Or is Andersen closer to being a 4-8 coach with an all-world QB? Andersen also has the misfortune of playing in the WAC, although they do have decent wins over Utah and SJ state and had close losses to BYU and Wisconsin.

Sonny Dykes: Current Louisiana Tech HC. Previous records of 5-7, 8-5. Current record of 9-1. Good wins over Illinois, Houston and Virginia. Impressive two point loss to Texas A&M. So why the turnaround? Enter Colby Cameron, who set an NCAA record for not throwing an INT in 358 pass attempts. He is also a dark horse Heisman candidate. With Dykes, I think you could make the argument that its his system that makes his QB's so good. But Dykes didn't score the amount of points or have the same level of QB play last year (with a different QB). So is it Cameron or Dykes? I think the jury is still out.

Bottom line, with all three coaches above, its possible that they have finally turned around their programs and they are now finally seeing the fruits of their labors. OR its equally possible that they are all riding the coattails of their Star QB's and their previous mediocre records are more indicative of their coaching level. I think Dykes may have the best argument, because he does have a unique offensive system, so maybe he is worth a look. The other two candidates?-way too short of a track record and way too many question marks. Especially the big red flag that they both have all-star QB's right now and have not won prior.

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Who I would like to see (if we can't land Petersen) is Dave Doeren who is currently the HC at Northern Illinois. He's only had two seasons as the HC, but his last season he was 11-3. This season 9-1 with a narrow loss to Iowa in a game they probably should have won. He was previously the DC at Wisconsin back when their defenses were extremely stout, so he has big time coordinator experience. The big difference I see with Doeren when compared to the other coaches listed above is that he's had two good seasons in a row (not just one). And the most important part is that Doeren has done it with TWO different QB's. So its much more likely that Doeren's success has more to do with him than his QB's.

One other thing, for those worrying about our academics. His team is 9th in the NCAA in APR. Not sure how much that had to do with him (since he probably wasn't around for those years), but it shows he can coach at a school that places an emphasis on academics.

Lastly, I've linked a page that talks about his offensive and defense philosophies. I'd like to point a few things out from this page: http://www.niuhuskies.com/niu-football/our-game.html

"We do not run a ton of plays but we do believe in running them from a variety of looks. The end result is our players playing extremely fast and physical football."

"Our design is very simple, sound, and adjustable to the various looks we will see throughout the season from defensive teams."

"We will feature our playmakers"

"Once you are here we will modify our schemes to fit and feature our playmaker's abilities with the design. We are all about using our player's strength's and hiding our player's weaknesses."

These are all characteristics that Tedford DOES NOT have. Doeren is young, energetic and a great recruiter. He's going to get offers from some BCS schools this year (Purdue sounds like the primary suitor right now), but I think we are a more attractive destination than some of the middling Big Ten schools.

So assuming we go with the young up and coming coach, my preference is clearly Doeren. In my opinion, its too much of a risk to hire a coach who is having one career season with a star QB.


Doeren's OC is Mike Dunbar according to their site.
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KoreAmBear;842004817 said:

Dykes was the OC at Arizona and with Nick Foles and Criner they had a pretty efficient (I wouldn't call explosive) offense.



Still, no one at Cal was clamoring for his services when Dykes was an assistant coach within our own conference.
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Our Domicile;842004816 said:

Good stuff. Well researched.

I'm wary of MacIntyre, Dykes and Andersen because of the weak-a** conferences they play in....but I like Anderson of USU the best of that trio. His Aggie Teams sure are competitive and they almost shocked Auburn @ Auburn last year.

Sonny Dykes was the OC at Arizona State....and we sure as hell weren't raving about that dude as a potential HC back then when we were beating the Sun Devils on a consistent basis or playing competitive against them.

Northern Illinois is fun to watch (yes, I watch MAC football when channel surfing, lol) and I think I brought them up here before in a post about Butch Jones (former MAC coach).

Mike Dunbar is their OC! Talk about the irony! I guess when no Tedford is around to interfere with him, he does pretty good with that spread-stuff.

HC Doeren's ability to verbalize his football philosophy is very refreshing. It doesn't come across like typical "coachspeak" to me. Instead, there seems to be a method to the madness in the background.

Former Wiscy DC....he's different from the offensive gurus the other PAC schools brought in...and that might be a good thing.

Recruiting could become more "national" with a guy like him. Wouldn't hurt to interview him. Really like his NIU Huskies.


I've been watching some NIU football this year as well since I've had my eyes on Doeren since the beginning of the season. I encourage everyone to watch the NIU v. Toledo game tomorrow on ESPN2 at 6pm. Toledo took AZ to OT and also beat #21 Cinci. If Doeren runs the table, he might be a pretty hot commodity. However, I think we are still the best program of those schools who would potentially be offering to him. I think the big boys like Tennessee, etc are going after the big names.
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TheOldToe;842004822 said:

Doeren's OC is Mike Dunbar according to their site.


LOL! Hey, Dunbar's one and only year at Cal (2006) was quite successful. He turned a pocket passer in Longshore and turned him into a spread QB. I always thought that Tedford got scared of the stuff that Dunbar was installing and brought that to a halt. However, Tedford didn't go back to his roots and left whatever Dunbar left in, to stay. Had to go all-in or all-out I guess.
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KoreAmBear;842004817 said:

Dykes was the OC at Arizona and with Nick Foles and Criner they had a pretty efficient (I wouldn't call explosive) offense.


Yes...and they lost more games due to defense than offensive output. Coach of the year in the WAC

Arizona

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Dykes increased Arizona's offensive output by 130 yards per game and finished second in the Pac-10 in passing offense with a school-record 308 yards per game. Arizona's pass efficiency rating increased 32 points from 2006 to 2007. In 2007, Arizona set single-season records for passing yards, passing yards per game, completions, touchdown passes and completion percentage,

During the 2008 season, Dykes helped lead Arizona to eight victories and program's first winning season since the 1998 season. Arizona earned their first bowl appearance since 1998 and defeated #16 BYU 31–21 in the 2008 Las Vegas Bowl. In that game, the Wildcats' 31 points were the most in Arizona bowl history.

During the 2009 season, Dykes helped lead Arizona to their second consecutive eight-win season and a second place Pac-10 finish, the program's highest since 1998. In the final game of the regular season, Arizona defeated #20 USC 21–17, the Wildcats' first victory over a Pete Carroll-coached USC team. Arizona finished the regular season ranked #22 in the AP Poll, the Wildcats' first national ranking since the 2000 season. The Wildcats' season culminated will an appearance in the 2009 Holiday Bowl. During the 2009 season, Dykes was named as one of the nominees for the Broyles Award, an honor that awarded to the nation's best college football assistant coach.


Louisiana Tech

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On January 20, 2010, Sonny Dykes was hired to replace Derek Dooley as the head football coach of Louisiana Tech.[7] In Dykes' first season, LA Tech's record improved to 5–7 overall and 4–4 in the WAC. Dykes was one of only four of the nation's 22 new head coaches to improve a team's conference record from the year before. LA Tech's offense improved in several areas of the NCAA statistical ranks including passing offense (91st in 2009 to 62nd in 2010) and total offense (66th to 52nd) while the team's average offensive national rank improved from 65th in 2009 to 54th in 2010.

Despite a 1–4 start in 2011, Dykes' Dawgs rallied to win seven consecutive games to cap off the regular season with the program's first WAC football title since 2001 and an appearance the Poinsettia Bowl. As a result of LA Tech's success, Dykes was honored as the 2011 WAC Coach of the Year. At the conclusion of the 2011 season, Dykes signed a contract extension to increase his base salary to $750,000 and keep him at Louisiana Tech through the 2017 season.

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This is perhaps the best head coach search thread posted on BI so far.

You sold me on the NIU coach. Here's hoping Sandy goes all out for him.
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Davidson;842004821 said:

Sonny Dykes, make it so.

That offense they run would be perfect for us. We can finally put some points on the board win games. Don't give that crap about weak conference. Dykes will have better athletes on offense @ CAL to go against the better defenses.

Plus, they put 57 points on Texas A&M with their guys. You know, the same Texas A&M that runs the same offense that beat some team ranked #1 this past weekend?


there is a previous thread about this, but there is a concern that the brains behind the Ltech machine is the OC and not Dykes. So if you do go with Dykes, you better make damn sure you bring the OC with him. Again Dykes has had one good year, his previous two years as HC were pedestrian. And his stint with AZ was ok, but nothing earth shattering. His offenses didn't take off until he bought in his OC. So we may want to hire the OC and not necessarily Dykes

another concern is that last week they just gave up 55 points to Texas State (3-6, 1-3 WAC) does this guy or anyone on his staff know anything about defense?
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Davidson;842004821 said:

Sonny Dykes, make it so.

That offense they run would be perfect for us. We can finally put some points on the board win games. Don't give that crap about weak conference. Dykes will have better athletes on offense @ CAL to go against the better defenses.

Plus, they put 57 points on Texas A&M with their guys. You know, the same Texas A&M that runs the same offense that beat some team ranked #1 this past weekend?




Dykes had PAC-10 Athletes in his vaunted Air Raid offense (Leach disciple) when he was OC at Arizona (not ASU, thanks for the correction, KAB).

Tell me, why would Sonny Dykes suddenly set the PAC-12 on fire as HC of Cal?
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ducky23;842004836 said:

there is a previous thread about this, but there is a concern that the brains behind the Ltech machine is the OC and not Dykes. So if you do go with Dykes, you better make damn sure you bring the OC with him. Again Dykes has had one good year, his previous two years as HC were pedestrian. And his stint with AZ was ok, but nothing earth shattering. His offenses didn't take off until he bought in his OC. So we may want to hire the OC and not necessarily Dykes

another concern is that last week they just gave up 55 points to Texas State (3-6, 1-3 WAC) does this guy or anyone on his staff know anything about defense?


Oh yea, definitely taking into account that Dykes brings his OC with him. If it's just Dykes himself, meh.

As for defense, maybe they can bring their friend the defensive coordinator for V-tech. Not sure how good he is, but there is a connection and I think they are on the ropes.
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ducky23;842004836 said:

there is a previous thread about this, but there is a concern that the brains behind the Ltech machine is the OC and not Dykes. So if you do go with Dykes, you better make damn sure you bring the OC with him. Again Dykes has had one good year, his previous two years as HC were pedestrian. And his stint with AZ was ok, but nothing earth shattering. His offenses didn't take off until he bought in his OC. So we may want to hire the OC and not necessarily Dykes

another concern is that last week they just gave up 55 points to Texas State (3-6, 1-3 WAC) does this guy or anyone on his staff know anything about defense?


Could always keep Pendy. I think our D could be something special with Pendy the next two years.
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Davidson;842004841 said:

Oh yea, definitely taking into account that Dykes brings his OC with him. If it's just Dykes himself, meh.

As for defense, maybe they can bring their friend the defensive coordinator for V-tech. Not sure how good he is, but there is a connection and I think they are on the ropes.



i'm not totally against dykes, but i'm extremely wary. it seems like we would just be bringing in dykes so we can bring in his OC. what happens when his OC gets a HC job elsewhere?
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KoreAmBear;842004842 said:

Could always keep Pendy. I think our D could be something special with Pendy the next two years.


I haven't seen anything from Pendergast that shows that he could create a good D in the next couple years. His lack of halftime adjustments has consistently frustrated me.
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Don't buy the lightning in the bottle stuff with MacIntyre and Anderson. Both took programs that were dead in the water and turned them around. Anderson won 4 games his first year and that was the most they'd won since 2002. San Jose State had only three winning seasons since 1993. Plus both are defensive guys so if their success is due to quarterbacks maybe they know one when they see one.
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Our Domicile;842004824 said:

Still, no one at Cal was clamoring for his services when Dykes was an assistant coach within our own conference.


There are 2 problems with your argument.

First, Sonny Dykes was the OC at Arizona back when just about everyone on this board still worshipped at the alter of Jeff Tedford as football god. Most of the posters weren't all that interested in coaches

Second, back then the board when it did think about coaches obsessed over Chris Petersen. It was pretty much impossible to get anyone to look at another coach at any level, and coordinators were scorned becuase as a Pac-10 team, only another head coach would do for most of hte posters. Now that we are actually seriously considering replacing Tedford, people are looking far deeper into the field of potential candidates and someone like Dykes shows up because of his recent success and history within the conference.

It doesn't necessarily mean he's a perfect fit, but based on what I've heard, he should definitely get an interview.
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mvargus;842004861 said:

There are 2 problems with your argument.

First, Sonny Dykes was the OC at Arizona back when just about everyone on this board still worshipped at the alter of Jeff Tedford as football god. Most of the posters weren't all that interested in coaches

Second, back then the board when it did think about coaches obsessed over Chris Petersen. It was pretty much impossible to get anyone to look at another coach at any level, and coordinators were scorned becuase as a Pac-10 team, only another head coach would do for most of hte posters. Now that we are actually seriously considering replacing Tedford, people are looking far deeper into the field of potential candidates and someone like Dykes shows up because of his recent success and history within the conference.

It doesn't necessarily mean he's a perfect fit, but based on what I've heard, he should definitely get an interview.




You can interview anybody you want. Who cares how many.

However, if hired as HC, Sonny Dykes himself could be leaving Cal early if the Texas Tech job opened up (let's say Tommy Tuberville eventually retired or burned out or got ran out of town).

His father -- Spike Dykes -- is regarded as a Legend in Lubbock so his current/future HC jobs could just be considered training grounds until the son is ready to head back to Texas Tech.

That "Red Raider" mystique is taken serious by some folks in Texas and I could see Sonny coaching there one day as the returning son of the famous Red Raider HC.
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KoreAmBear;842004842 said:

Could always keep Pendy. I think our D could be something special with Pendy the next two years.


I'm not all that thrilled with Pendy. Cal continues to try to play a soft zone defense when they don't have a pass rush. If the QB has time, they will pick apart the zone.

To me, this is a huge flaw in the defense and rather obvious. The number of times in the past 4 years that Cal has allowed an opposing QB to have a career day is a black mark against Pendy.

I know, that part of that has to be Tedford, who also pushed Gregory to playing a conservative zone defense at times, but if Pendy was good, he'd find a way to scheme around the problem, and he doesn't. Cal's blitz packages are also poorly laid out and rarely get a sack or even hurry opposing QBs.
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mvargus;842004861 said:

There are 2 problems with your argument.

First, Sonny Dykes was the OC at Arizona back when just about everyone on this board still worshipped at the alter of Jeff Tedford as football god. Most of the posters weren't all that interested in coaches

Second, back then the board when it did think about coaches obsessed over Chris Petersen. It was pretty much impossible to get anyone to look at another coach at any level, and coordinators were scorned becuase as a Pac-10 team, only another head coach would do for most of hte posters. Now that we are actually seriously considering replacing Tedford, people are looking far deeper into the field of potential candidates and someone like Dykes shows up because of his recent success and history within the conference.

It doesn't necessarily mean he's a perfect fit, but based on what I've heard, he should definitely get an interview.


No one was worshiping Tedford about 2008-2009 during Dykes' tenure at Arizona. Maybe being loyal but no one could say Tedford had it like he did from 2002-2004. I guess people were hoping his curve could spike up again like in 2006. I think you have a habit of setting up the straw man argument that you were one of the only ones who wanted Tedford gone. I think you may have been one of the ones who actually said you wanted him gone as early as a couple of years ago. You may have that. But it's not like we were enamored of him since 2007.

Following the 2007 season, half the board was extremely pissed at him. But no one was clamoring for anyone else yet because we thought 2007 was a blip and 2008 was a little more like it. We didn't know that 2009-2012 would just be craptacular football.
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Even though a good coach can come from anywhere I lean toward someone who has been a head coach and built a winner. You adding the relationship between the coach and the talented QBs is really a good one. It certainly makes a coach more attractive if he's won with different QBs especially if those QBs aren't world beaters. On top of that, if the school he's at does well academically, even if it is just to play the graduation numbers game (and these measurements are just a game), that is icing on the cake.

Well done, ducky.
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Our Domicile;842004866 said:

You can interview anybody you want. Who cares how many.

However, if hired as HC, Sonny Dykes himself could be leaving Cal early if the Texas Tech job opened up (let's say Tommy Tuberville eventually retired or burned out or got ran out of town).

His father -- Spike Dykes -- is regarded as a Legend in Lubbock so his current/future HC jobs could just be considered training grounds until the son is ready to head back to Texas Tech.

That "Red Raider" mystique is taken serious by some folks in Texas and I could see Sonny coaching there one day as the returning son of the famous Red Raider HC.


So, Dykes comes and brings Franklin (OC) and we look good and then Dykes leaves for TT and Franklin becomes HC.

^_^
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KoreAmBear;842004870 said:

No one was worshiping Tedford about 2008-2009 during Dykes' tenure at Arizona. Maybe being loyal but no one could say Tedford had it like he did from 2002-2004. I guess people were hoping his curve could spike up again like in 2006. I think you have a habit of setting up the straw man argument that you were one of the only ones who wanted Tedford gone. I think you may have been one of the ones who actually said you wanted him gone as early as a couple of years ago. You may have that. But it's not like we were enamored of him since 2007.

Following the 2007 season, half the board was extremely pissed at him. But no one was clamoring for anyone else yet because we thought 2007 was a blip and 2008 was a little more like it. We didn't know that 2009-2012 would just be craptacular football.


KoreAm,

You are correct and I definitely exaggerate the loyalty towards Tedford in 2008-2009, but it does not change the fact that there were no serious discussions about potential replacements for Tedford during that time. Few posters were willing to call for Tedford to be fired back then.

I remember, because as you pointed out, I was one of the few who was extremely critical of TEdford during that period. But I won't say that I'm trying to prove myself virtuous for that. I reflect on how many of my posts were worded bakc then, and the negativity was extreme. I had more than a few posters here give me well deserved smackdowns when I got out of line and there was a time or two I probably flirted with getting banned because of how hateful I was toward Tedford.

As for who we should take a a coach, which is what this thread started about. I don't know.

My inclinatoin is to look for a good DC, or a mid-major head coach who came up through the defensive side of coaching. After the fiasco we've had with Tedford trying to do too much with the offense, I want to see a coach that will pay attention to the defense a bit more. Also the Pac-12 has become a place with very innovative offenses, I think a good defensive coach might be able to have quite a bit of success here.
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Davidson;842004877 said:

So, Dykes comes and brings Franklin (OC) and we look good and then Dykes leaves for TT and Franklin becomes HC.

^_^




Right now Tony Franklin is age 55 now so maybe you're better off cutting to the chase by interviewing and hiring him as HC instead of Dykes (age 43). That way you would get more productive years out of him.

However, he has never coached outside of the South so I hope Berkeley doesn't scare the wits out that good ol' boy.
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mvargus;842004885 said:

KoreAm,

You are correct and I definitely exaggerate the loyalty towards Tedford in 2008-2009, but it does not change the fact that there were no serious discussions about potential replacements for Tedford during that time. Few posters were willing to call for Tedford to be fired back then.

I remember, because as you pointed out, I was one of the few who was extremely critical of TEdford during that period. But I won't say that I'm trying to prove myself virtuous for that. I reflect on how many of my posts were worded bakc then, and the negativity was extreme. I had more than a few posters here give me well deserved smackdowns when I got out of line and there was a time or two I probably flirted with getting banned because of how hateful I was toward Tedford.

As for who we should take a a coach, which is what this thread started about. I don't know.

My inclinatoin is to look for a good DC, or a mid-major head coach who came up through the defensive side of coaching. After the fiasco we've had with Tedford trying to do too much with the offense, I want to see a coach that will pay attention to the defense a bit more. Also the Pac-12 has become a place with very innovative offenses, I think a good defensive coach might be able to have quite a bit of success here.


Well you were acquitted in the sense that we gave Tedford a lot of room to improve, whereas you saw it (that Tedford was not the future anymore) right away. It has been a waste of a few years but probably Tedford built up enough goodwill in the first half of his tenure to deserve some time. But now the time is more than up.
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Davidson;842004821 said:

Sonny Dykes, make it so.

That offense they run would be perfect for us. We can finally put some points on the board win games. Don't give that crap about weak conference. Dykes will have better athletes on offense @ CAL to go against the better defenses.

Plus, they put 57 points on Texas A&M with their guys. You know, the same Texas A&M that runs the same offense that beat some team ranked #1 this past weekend?


The question wouldn't be the
Offense, but the defense! If you have to put up 50 points a game to win...just sayn'

I'd be on board keeping CP if we hired Dykes. He hasn't done so bad if our offense is moving the ball and his defense isn't on the field after Cal goes three and out often.
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