OskiMD;842019082 said:

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There have now been 20 tweets (and 5 retweets) by KA since 11/20, the day of JT's firing, and not even a mention or shout out to his coach of three years losing his job.

And how about this tweet an hour ago to Dee Milliner (Alabama junior):



Lol... yeah Cal was too weak this year because of your half brother playing QB.

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Wow this sucks. Keenan, Zach and their mom owe Tedford big time for allowing Zach to even have a chance. No one in their right mind in the Pac-12 would have allowed Zach (with such underwhelming credentials confirmed by his play) even the opportunity to be their starting QB. What ingrates.

You're being taken for a ride.

Someone sent you a photo, did they? No doubt it must be real. No one has access to photos, there's no such thing as Facebook.

Keenan goes about the whole locker room spouting about how Zach needs to be the starter, and in this social media age not one person peeps on this?

I'm really supposed to believe Cal barely conditions its starters and works its practice squad to death? Wouldn't that mean everyone on the practice squad is getting banged up? No one complains about any of this.

What you want to believe is more compelling than what's actually true. Y'all probably believe everything in the Enquirer too.

Let's find a new coach and stop wading in this Page 6 crap.

calbear75;842019132 said:

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This verifies many of the theories a lot of us had over the years, but who were bashed for not having any evidence, not being on the team, and just being negative. This was the same behavior and locker room division that happened with Ayoob and Desean in 05, again in 07 with Longshore and Riley, and now ZM and Bridge.

JT tried every year with the Team Matters and accountability themes, but clearly, some bought into it, and some tuned it out. JT was too weak trying to fix it, especially when those players didn't respect him.

SB did the right thing by letting JT go, and I'm certain she knew of what was going down already. Now we need someone who can cut thru the BS and hold the fort strong. If that pisses off the prima donnas, then that is fine too.

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Assuming this is later proven true, I can't wait to hear the back tracking on cgb. God forbid its proven that their hero actually had no idea what he was doing and that the heathen bi people might have actually been onto something.

Lastly, assuming this is true, can we now stop the meme that some hold on this board that coach is always right and we should never question the coach because we are not football professionals.

ayetee11;842019034 said:

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I'm curious why a parent would feel the need to pm a few posters? How were those posters chosen? Did they threaten Moraga not to post anymore if they didn't get the pm? If so, Moraga needs to step up and band them.

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I agree. Banded posters are much easier to identify once you catch them, and if they use colored bands you can usually even identify them through binoculars in the field.

okaydo;842019079 said:

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The parent just PM'd me a photo of the player's Cal football nametag with his name and number.

And a photo of his backpack with just his number.

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To be really sure, you should have requested underwear.


Girls' underwear.

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Same here, unfortunately. With insider knowledge, you probably know that JT had similar dealings with a certain star player in '07, who divided the locker room, didn't show up to practice, class, or meetings, and JT still trotted him out every Saturday as the starter, until he completely lost the team. This in conjunction to his continued play of Longshore that helped further divide the locker room.

There have been other stuff that I've heard that make you shake your head and question who JT really is, and what he stands for.

I was kinda like everyone else, I prefer my bubble. Part of me still doesn't believe it because it could be jealousy, and resentment on the players side. But when you hear it from more than one reputable source...

:tedford not

ducky23;842019147 said:

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Assuming this is later proven true,

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Haha, how exactly is this going to be proven true? We going to put Keenan and Zach on the stand and talk to them about the Great Tedford caper?

The truth is pretty simple. Tedford thought an offense centered around his top playmaker (Allen) would require a QB that knew how to get him the football (Maynard), and he designed a junk offense to make it work, and it eventually stalled, and he dug in like he did with Longshore, and the team just lost discipline and confidence as the season went on because Coach wouldn't change. And now he's gone.

But if you're telling me for a minute that Keenan is walking around boasting about his brother being the starter or else, then we'd have seen half the team walk out and quit a long time ago. Come on, be reasonable.

LessMilesMoreTedford;842019142 said:

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You're being taken for a ride.

Someone sent you a photo, did they? No doubt it must be real. No one has access to photos, there's no such thing as Facebook.

Keenan goes about the whole locker room spouting about how Zach needs to be the starter, and in this social media age not one person peeps on this?

I'm really supposed to believe Cal barely conditions its starters and works its practice squad to death? Wouldn't that mean everyone on the practice squad is getting banged up? No one complains about any of this.

What you want to believe is more compelling than what's actually true. Y'all probably believe everything in the Enquirer too.

Let's find a new coach and stop wading in this Page 6 crap.

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I went through all the photos on the player's Facebook page and other social media, and none of them are the photos the parent sent to me.

okaydo;842019155 said:

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I went through all the photos on the player's Facebook page and other social media, and none of them are the photos the parent sent to me.

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So all you have is a photo from somewhere. I mean, that's cool and all. Did you talk to this person on the phone? Did you confirm this with multiple other reports?

I thought you worked for the freaking Daily Cal. Didn't they teach you anything about backchecking your sources?

LessMilesMoreTedford;842019156 said:

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So all you have is a photo from somewhere. I mean, that's cool and all. Did you talk to this person on the phone? Did you confirm this with multiple other reports?

I thought you worked for the freaking Daily Cal. Didn't they teach you anything about backchecking your sources?

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2 photos.

Look: There are many things that make me think this is legit. That this isn't some troll.

Unfortunately, if I go into detail, it'll give a hint as to who it is or who it is not.

LessMilesMoreTedford;842019156 said:

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So all you have is a photo from somewhere. I mean, that's cool and all. Did you talk to this person on the phone? Did you confirm this with multiple other reports?

I thought you worked for the freaking Daily Cal. Didn't they teach you anything about backchecking your sources?

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He did say he had a pic of a backpack, so it's got to be legit.

okaydo;842019157 said:

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2 photos.

Look: There are many things that make me think this is legit. That this isn't some troll.

Unfortunately, if I go into detail, it'll give a hint as to who it is or who it is not.

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You think. But you don't know.

That's the difference between reporting and gossiping.

Which is why it's hard to take this seriously until you actually come up with more than this.

ducky23;842019147 said:

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Assuming this is later proven true, I can't wait to hear the back tracking on cgb.

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You're more likely to see Tedford attempt a fake field goal.

ayetee11;842019158 said:

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He did say he had a pic of a backpack, so it's got to be legit.

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... I don't know I'm still around campus and I don't think be too hard to get a picture of a players backpack... And as far as photos on Facebook there are different levels of privacy so the pictures you're able to see are the ones that are public to everyone and mostly likely (I know I do) have pictures/albums that are only accessible to friends and networks

LessMilesMoreTedford;842019159 said:

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Which is why it's hard to take this seriously until you actually come up with more than this.

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Wow you're getting awfully worked up by this 'CRAP' thread, judging from your posts you take the validity of these rumors dead serious. :eek:

mechaniCAL;842019161 said:

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... I don't know I'm still around campus and I don't think be too hard to get a picture of a players backpack... And as far as photos on Facebook there are different levels of privacy so the pictures you're able to see are the ones that are public to everyone and mostly likely (I know I do) have pictures/albums that are only accessible to friends and networks

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As I said, if this is a prank, it would've taken several years to put it together.

That's all I'll say.

LessMilesMoreTedford;842019156 said:

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So all you have is a photo from somewhere. I mean, that's cool and all. Did you talk to this person on the phone? Did you confirm this with multiple other reports?

I thought you worked for the freaking Daily Cal. Didn't they teach you anything about backchecking your sources?

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Clearly everyone must have an agenda right?

JeffEarlWarren;842019020 said:

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I don't know you but have heard the same from other parents, coaches and friends of both. I would never bad mouth Tedford, but I believe what you arfe saying is true. It has been backed up by others.

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egbear82;842019118 said:

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I spent this evening sitting with a Cal player and his parents watching a high school playoff game and heard things that are consistent with what is said in this thread.. In addition, I asked how Klein looks and was told no-one knows as only the first and second string QB gets any reps. Klein asked if he could be on the scout team so he could get some playing in but was told "no" because they needed him to signal in plays. The sentiment of the players was that Maynard shouldn't have been a starter at any PAC-12 school and everyone was disgusted by it.. Many players didn't want tedford to get fired due to them losing their position coaches, but it makes you wonder how much they actually liked his coaching..

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Be brave, fight hard, fight for what you believe in. Your resilience is to be admired...



and I envy your bliss.

Bruce Jenkins:

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Aaron Rodgers was upset over the firing of Jeff Tedford, his coach at Cal, calling it a “terrible” decision, and maybe he’s right. There’s nothing wrong with Tedford as a coach or as a person. But the most terrible decision of all was Tedford’s commitment to Zach Maynard, who never looked, sounded or acted the part. Tedford lost his touch for finding quarterbacks, and that sealed his fate.

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Dave Newhouse:

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The stress and pressure of coaching, even though Tedford was making $3.2 million a year, still takes its toll. Remember who he is, a son who didn't really know his father, and who was raised by family members, and who lived by himself in a warehouse for awhile, and who was determined to succeed, to the point of becoming obsessed.

He loaded up the Cal playbook with so many schemes and formations that his players had difficulty memorizing them all. But the more he added, the more conservative he became on offense. Every opponent knew that same ol' inside screen pass was coming, but Tedford kept calling it without success. Meanwhile, no fake punts or fake field goals.

Speaking of field goals, when Tedford looked at 4th-and-1 at Ohio State in September, and with every Cal assistant upstairs begging him to go for it, he, instead, sent in the same field goal kicker who had already missed twice, and then missed again. Angry alumni became angrier, and Cal's recruiting was kicked in the teeth.

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So what went wrong with Tedford, when everything at first seemed so right? The truth: His insecurity got the best of him. He changed offensive coordinators every year or two. Sometimes, he became the offensive coordinator. He switched practice from afternoon to morning, he permitted the players to call him "Teddy," he let them pick out those ugly uniform combinations, and continuity slowly disappeared. The kid in the warehouse had become unsure of himself.

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Mark Purdy:

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Tedford, at the beginning of his 11-year term in Berkeley, always seemed like the smartest man in the room. He won his first game 70-22 over Baylor. On the first down of Cal's first possession, Tedford called a trick play that wound up as a long pass to a key freshman recruit-I figured at least partially to show the kid he'd made the right choice, as well as to send an example to other recruits.

Man, I recall thinking, this guy gets it.

But over the years, Tedford appeared to gradually lose that intangible "it." He never did reach the Rose Bowl. He churned through assistant coaches and never seemed to grasp the rapidly-developing new dynamics of recruiting with the use of social media. He seemed older than his 51 years. After inducing Cal to remodel and upgrade Memorial Stadium, he couldn't leverage it into raising up his own program.

Then came the 2012 season-opening upset loss to Nevada, when Tedford made the strange move to bench starting quarterback Zach Maynard for the entire first quarter as punishment for missing a tutoring session earlier in the summer-but not informing Allan Bridgford about that until the day before the game. A nervous Bridgford completed just 2 of 9 passes. Maynard was sloppy when he did enter the game, fumbling the ball away once and messing up calls, drawing silly penalties.

Afterward, I asked Tedford how such sloppiness could happen after the team had been practicing for more than a month for this one game. His response was that games are a lot different from practices. Huh? Isn't that why a team practices in the first place? It wasn't a very good answer. As the weeks brought more losses, Tedford had even fewer good answers. For anything.

It was puzzling, odd and sad. Tedford clearly has a sharp football brain. But his brain suddenly looked like a square peg that was trying to fit into Berkeley's rather unique round hole-or maybe, into the entire 2012 college football world.

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I have heard many stories about uneven discipline being applied in the Cal program. I have not heard about KA only playing if ZM was at QB. I was told that despite what we saw these past 2 seasons that ZM was in fact the best QB on the team. Kline may have more ability but was not going to unseat ZM this Fall. The choice to RS Kline was a good one IMO. Hinder may have been the overlooked QB at least from what I have heard.

The football culture at Cal needs to be transformed. There is talent (although not as much as some think) and a winning season next year is possible. A strong coach and staff can turn things around quickly IMO. The program is in need of real leadership. Starts at the top but players can and should play a role. With early entrees into the NFL it is hard to find really good seniors that can be team leaders. But this off season the team will need some guys to step up and assume a real leadership role.

On defense I think Nick Forbes and Avery Sebastien have enough ability and the right mentality to become leaders. On offense it looks less certain to me. You would love seniors to assume the role. That will have to built from within.

The general concern that the program lacks discipline has been told to me many times as well. That the ship was not that tightly run. This will be one of the first orders of business the next coach needs to address. Look at Stanford. Harbaugh transformed that program completely. Shaw has taken over and they look the same. Look at USC. Kiffin continues to run a less tightly run ship, and they underperform relative to talent.

Discipline and commitment are essential in football. There is so much preparation time and hard work that goes into football. If you lack discipline it shows up in the results. This thread is the single biggest reason I believe Cal needs a PROVEN HC. The ship needs to get righted and now.

LessMilesMoreTedford;842019159 said:

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You think. But you don't know.

That's the difference between reporting and gossiping.

Which is why it's hard to take this seriously until you actually come up with more than this.

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I don't mean to come down on one side or another on this specific debate, but based on these comments I think journalism needs some clarification. Journalists are able to get sources because they are able to guarantee the security of their sources. To be a good journalist, you not only have to gain trust, but you have to be able to discern the quality of your source. The truly good journalists aren't truly good because it's easy to tell if your source was 100% not lying. They rely on experience, intuition, and mostly, skill to discern this. In this sense we have to trust the best journalists. It's usually not until years after that they are proven right.

cal98;842019006 said:

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If the part about KA not wanting to play if ZM is not QB is true, any good coach would've benched his ass or suspended him and grant him his wish.

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JT couldn't do this (and, it turns out that he did not have the character to do it) because he had already made the deal with the devil to get KA here in the first place. Now we know.

I hate to have been right on this, but I called it 2 years ago. When a HC annoints a player as the leader and orders the team to follow him, something's very wrong. We're well rid of all three.

Onward and upward.

It has been clear for years that Tedford was the "cancer in the locker room", but too many people were dead set on looking the other way. Anyone could EASILY ascertain this by watching the team play on Saturdays.

The good news is that Cal has potential to be an outstanding team next year. If that happens, I hope everyone has learned enough to have some restraint before saying the new coach is God.

Somehow I wonder if some of the skeptics who don't want to believe this is real are just sulky that Okaydo and a few others got the PMs from the whistleblower instead of them.

This does sound very, very believable to me, especially since we saw Tedford get openly disrespected by Maynard on the sidelines after Maynard missed a wide open receiver from <10 yards this season.

Sure, everyone makes mistakes, but Maynard's F.O. attitude towards his coach was unacceptable. ANY coach with balls and a backbone would have kicked him off the team right there, even if it meant KA would quit also. Where else would KA go then? He could have fun being blackballed by the coaching staff and would have turned into the next Chris Martin.

OskiMD;842019082 said:

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There have now been 20 tweets (and 5 retweets) by KA since 11/20, the day of JT's firing, and not even a mention or shout out to his coach of three years losing his job.

And how about this tweet an hour ago to Dee Milliner (Alabama junior):



Lol... yeah Cal was too weak this year because of your half brother playing QB.

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Yea we would be playing for pac 12 championship next sat if AB was QB all season. Heck AB should not have been taken out of the Nevada game. I mean 2-8 isnt all that bad.

tommie317;842019063 said:

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Maynard beat out bridgford last year but let's not let this ruin your ego trip.

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He beat out both and we have seen what both can do. Rest my case.

bigcocoon007;842019192 said:

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Yea we would be playing for pac 12 championship next sat if AB was QB all season. Heck AB should not have been taken out of the Nevada game. I mean 2-8 isnt all that bad.

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Its quite well known now that Tedford gave nearly all reps to whoever was the starter, leaving the backups woefully ill prepared. Make a Rodgers or Luck ride the pine at football practice for a year or more and then see how they do when they get the ball back. They too would suck.

Etchebeary;842019195 said:

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Its quite well known now that Tedford gave nearly all reps to whoever was the starter, leaving the backups woefully ill prepared. Make a Rodgers or Luck ride the pine at football practice for a year or more and then see how they do when they get the ball back. They too would suck.

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wrong. I heard otherwise. Im a players dad too.

bigcocoon007;842019193 said:

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He beat out both and we have seen what both can do. Rest my case.

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I guess facing the #1 and #15 teams in the nation in your first 2 starts vs a qb who had 35 starts really is a fair comparison. AB may not be better but it ain't that clearcut. Also what happened to hinder and Bhoem? Were they shut out with no real shot? Why? Also how come none of the QB's got any meaningful playing team even when Maynard was horrific?

bigcocoon007;842019196 said:

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wrong. I heard otherwise. Im a players dad too.

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Uh ok. And your proof?

Did you notice Sandy saying that integrity and leadership were as important as football acumen. It was apparent to any objective observer that Teddy had lost control of the team. The brothers were a cancer from the outset.
Did you notice how warn and fatigued Teddy looked, carrying the guilt. Jeff is no manager or administrator! Maybe a decent OC but thats it. Ir was never the talent, look how we played TOSU and UCLA. The last few years have been a failure of leadership and develping staff, Jeff will never have a chance as a head coach again. There is more to the story.

BerlinerBaer;842019094 said:

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If this is true then I would expect the problem won't depart with KA and ZM. If any remaining players don't shape up then the new coach should suspend them or kick them off the team. Don't be surprised if this happens.

The allegations about the team's study habits make me sick. Sanctions are the last thing this program needs.

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SANCTIONS !!!!
.. the system set up to assist players in all sports disappeared, at least for football.

Maybe Peterson would be the best choice because his rep seems to based not only on football but also his emphasis on academic success. Given the current state of the program, it seems like he'd be worth whatever he wanted.

Gawd, looming sanction threat along with the debt to be repaid.
And then there are the players who do try and give a shite.

This alleged breakdown in meritocracy and discipline are delightful signals to whoever the new coach is out there...that he has--at the minimum in just "correcting" these two cultural problems, a great chance of easily turning this program around his first year...

beeasyed;842019134 said:

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what's the point?? it sheds light on another problem within the program, and hopefully we'll LEARN from it so that it never happens again.

you would rather not know? feel free to bury your head in the sand.



this thread is making me rethink what i said earlier this season about my impression that KA was not giving it all at times, felt like he was being lazy on routes. now i don't sound so crazy after all.

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Ridiculous. What the hell are WE going to learn that WE won't repeat? We are fans. We are not in charge of the program.

to the Oregon teams. Tedford was toast and the blow out losses just confirmed the chaos. This was a failure of leadership! Jeff never had control of the players or the coaching staff. Good OC maybe HC no way! The players and AD have known this for three years. You are gonna hear way more.

This whole thread sounds like a bunch of girls sitting around a table at The Cheesecake Factory sipping Cosmopolitans and gossiping about their husbands and boyfriends. I could care less what happened last season. The coach got fired for a myriad of reasons. I am looking forward to the 2013 season, 2012's is over.