DeSean a Niner?

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jaccpot10
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Based on news reports, the most likely landing spot for Desean Jackson are the Jets, 49ers, or Seahawks.

Raiders don't want to trade a draft pick for Desean but might be interested if Desean were released. Panthers aren't interested in Desean even if he were released. Patriots are "highly unlikely" to get a deal done for Desean.
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jaccpot10;842296382 said:

Based on news reports, the most likely landing spot for Desean Jackson are the Jets, 49ers, or Seahawks.

Raiders don't want to trade a draft pick for Desean but might be interested if Desean were released. Panthers aren't interested in Desean even if he were released. Patriots are "highly unlikely" to get a deal done for Desean.


Read yesterday that the Seahawks have "no interest" in DJaxc.
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grandmastapoop;842296447 said:

Read yesterday that the Seahawks have "no interest" in DJaxc.


Cool, that means they are highly interested.
Cal Panda Bear
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grandmastapoop;842296447 said:

Read yesterday that the Seahawks have "no interest" in DJaxc.


Seahawks have no interest in a former Cal player? THEY MUST BE BIAS AGAINST CAL!

On a more serious note- makes sense. With the amount of money DJax will require, makes no sense to have two receivers of the same type (Harvin). Seahawks are much better off saving that money and getting different types of WRs in the draft.
CalBearRJ
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I'm going to preempt some comments here that will eventually get made. When Desean lands on a team other than the 49ers, someone is going to use this as evidence of the anti-Cal bias. These comments will be misguided.

I was looking at cap figured today, and Desean is slated for a $12 million cap hit next season. The Niners only have about $4 million in cap space currently. I think they are due to receive about a $5 million bump once the Carlos Rodgers cut becomes official. With only $9 million in cap space, and a need to sign a very large rookie class, it is not likely that the Niners can sign Desean unless:

1) Desean allows them to massively restructure his contract...ie, he cuts his salary in half.
2) The Niners trade Anthony Davis, Vernon Davis, Navarro Bowman, Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Ahmad Brooks, or Frank Gore for Desean. None of these seem likely for varying reasons.
3) The Niners decide to go over the cap. Considering they've been one of the most careful teams with contracts over the last 5 years, I don't see this happening.

As always, the Niners will decide on this particular Cal player with the best interest of their football team in mind, not the best interest of the Cal fanbase. As much fun as it would be to watch Desean catch passes and return punts in a red and gold uni, we will not get to watch this. It has nothing to do with the Niners anti-Cal bias and everything to do with the team making a wise roster decision.

Note: I am no expert in cap matters, and salary cap can be really confusing. If someone can provide me with a good counter to this line of thought, I am very interested in hearing it. It's entirely possible I have misunderstood how the cap works, but, as best I can tell, this information is accurate.
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CalBearRJ;842296542 said:

I'm going to preempt some comments here that will eventually get made. When Desean lands on a team other than the 49ers, someone is going to use this as evidence of the anti-Cal bias. These comments will be misguided.

I was looking at cap figured today, and Desean is slated for a $12 million cap hit next season. The Niners only have about $4 million in cap space currently. I think they are due to receive about a $5 million bump once the Carlos Rodgers cut becomes official. With only $9 million in cap space, and a need to sign a very large rookie class, it is not likely that the Niners can sign Desean unless:

1) Desean allows them to massively restructure his contract...ie, he cuts his salary in half.
2) The Niners trade Anthony Davis, Vernon Davis, Navarro Bowman, Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Ahmad Brooks, or Frank Gore for Desean. None of these seem likely for varying reasons.
3) The Niners decide to go over the cap. Considering they've been one of the most careful teams with contracts over the last 5 years, I don't see this happening.

As always, the Niners will decide on this particular Cal player with the best interest of their football team in mind, not the best interest of the Cal fanbase. As much fun as it would be to watch Desean catch passes and return punts in a red and gold uni, we will not get to watch this. It has nothing to do with the Niners anti-Cal bias and everything to do with the team making a wise roster decision.

Note: I am no expert in cap matters, and salary cap can be really confusing. If someone can provide me with a good counter to this line of thought, I am very interested in hearing it. It's entirely possible I have misunderstood how the cap works, but, as best I can tell, this information is accurate.



while desean would certainly bring an element that the 49ers need with his speed and gamebreaking ability, there are players in this draft that can also do that at a much cheaper price. i think the 49ers stand pat. id like them to pick up either brandin cooks or deanthony thomas in the draft to fill in this role.
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niners, please pick up desean, so i can finally get a decent niners jersey.

cmon, who else is going to catch those rockets that kaep throws, vernon davis is your only downfield target
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CalBearRJ;842296542 said:

I'm going to preempt some comments here that will eventually get made. When Desean lands on a team other than the 49ers, someone is going to use this as evidence of the anti-Cal bias. These comments will be misguided.

I was looking at cap figured today, and Desean is slated for a $12 million cap hit next season. The Niners only have about $4 million in cap space currently. I think they are due to receive about a $5 million bump once the Carlos Rodgers cut becomes official. With only $9 million in cap space, and a need to sign a very large rookie class, it is not likely that the Niners can sign Desean unless:

1) Desean allows them to massively restructure his contract...ie, he cuts his salary in half.
2) The Niners trade Anthony Davis, Vernon Davis, Navarro Bowman, Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Ahmad Brooks, or Frank Gore for Desean. None of these seem likely for varying reasons.
3) The Niners decide to go over the cap. Considering they've been one of the most careful teams with contracts over the last 5 years, I don't see this happening.

As always, the Niners will decide on this particular Cal player with the best interest of their football team in mind, not the best interest of the Cal fanbase. As much fun as it would be to watch Desean catch passes and return punts in a red and gold uni, we will not get to watch this. It has nothing to do with the Niners anti-Cal bias and everything to do with the team making a wise roster decision.

Note: I am no expert in cap matters, and salary cap can be really confusing. If someone can provide me with a good counter to this line of thought, I am very interested in hearing it. It's entirely possible I have misunderstood how the cap works, but, as best I can tell, this information is accurate.


I agree.
Watching how the Niners operate the past few years, they aren't going to take a $12 million salary cap hit for a free agent.
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gobears725;842296545 said:

while desean would certainly bring an element that the 49ers need with his speed and gamebreaking ability, there are players in this draft that can also do that at a much cheaper price. i think the 49ers stand pat. id like them to pick up either brandin cooks or deanthony thomas in the draft to fill in this role.

The difference is that the players in the draft are unproven whereas Desean has shown he can demonstrate his ability in the NFL. The Niners have already made a terrible WR drafting choice in going for AJ Jenkins, and while I certainly think Cooks will do better (not quite sure about Thomas in the NFL. He's probably more of a scatback/Vereen-type multi-faceted player rather than a dedicated WR), there is still no guarantee that they'll do well.
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calumnus;842295971 said:

As stated above, during the last decade, almost zero Cal players ended up on the Niners despite their being the local team and Cal being in the top 5 of schools sending players to the NFL.

I am willing to accept that is not due to bias against, though clearly there is no bias towards (as there was in the case of Stanford historically and many NFL frnachises have towards local schools). Perhaps that will change with Harbaugh? Though he clearly still likes his former players.


Jeff Tedford became the coach in 2002. Since that time the Niners have had on their roster Andre Carter, Tully Banta Cain, Nnamdi Asomugha and DJ Campbell. Of the 48 players drafted since 2001, the 49ers have rostered 8% of them. That's probably at least the league average.

You claim that Harbaugh clearly likes his former players. While I don't deny that this is occasionally true, it has not really manifested itself in any significant roster decisions. They recently traded for Jonathan Martin, they've given some workouts to Stanford guys, and a few of them have had short UFA contracts with the Niners, but none of them really stick. Honestly, there's probably a Stanford message board somewhere where a fan is ranting about the Niners anti-Stanford bias...if anyone should have known Richard Sherman's talent it should have been Harbaugh, right?

I will agree that there doesn't seem to be a bias towards Cal, which is what this argument is usually about. Cal fans are upset that the local pro team doesn't look at draft prospects through blue and gold tinted glasses. I get that, though I'd prefer people be more honest about it.

Here's what I don't get. As a Cal fan, should you want the local team to be biased towards Cal? Wouldn't it be better for the actual Cal players that they go to the system where they fit best as opposed to the one located the closest?

Philly's offense under Andy Reid was absolutely perfect for Desean Jackson. I was stoked when he landed in Philly, because I thought that was one of a few NFL teams that were particularly well equipped to take advantage of his talents. Alex Smith's weaker arm would have struggled to find Desean Jackson deep.

Marshawn was drafted to Buffalo where he got a chance to start right away! He broke 1,000 yards as a rookie. That would have been hard to do if he were stuck behind Frank Gore.

I was disappointed for myself when Rodgers went to Green Bay because my favorite pro team badly needed a quarterback. But I was stoked for Aaron, and excited to see what he could do on a stacked football team. I thought it probably was in his best interest considering he got to throw to Donald Driver and Greg Jennings instead of Arnaz Battle.

When the Niners pass on Cal players for the right reasons, it's not just better for the Niners, it's better for Cal. Sure, there have been situations when drafting the Cal player would have been great for both the Niners and that player. But there are many more cases where taking the Cal player just because he's from Cal would have harmed both the Niners and the player.

I doubt very much that this will change anyone's opinion; it seems very likely that those arguing that there is an anti-Cal bias hold a grudge that they won't let go for any reason. But if you want to be a better Cal fan, you should stop caring where these players end up, and root instead for them to find the right situation for success. That's what will make our university look better, not having a slew of Cal alums on the 49ers.
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QUESTION.

if he is released.

teams can pay him whatever they want?
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StillNoStanfurdium;842296557 said:

The difference is that the players in the draft are unproven whereas Desean has shown he can demonstrate his ability in the NFL. The Niners have already made a terrible WR drafting choice in going for AJ Jenkins, and while I certainly think Cooks will do better (not quite sure about Thomas in the NFL. He's probably more of a scatback/Vereen-type multi-faceted player rather than a dedicated WR), there is still no guarantee that they'll do well.


i agree about them being unproven, but if you cant afford desean, then what can you do? theyll need the money to pay kaep, iupati or aldon smith in a year. i dont think the niners should go all in here and risk sacrificing the future of the team and thats what getting desean would do.

thomas i think would cover the punt and kick returns and at least provide some speed out there. i like his game more than lamichael james because he is more versatile and can play receiver. i think he'll be useful in spots.

another potential problem with desean is just the ego. i know he feels that he is a top 10 receiver in the nfl, but how would he feel about not being out on the field when the niners go to their big packages which is what harbaugh likes to do. i think it would upset desean and its not to mean that its a bad thing about desean, but the niners like to go big in certain situations and he will want to be out on the field. can desean handle not playing 30-40% of snaps in some games? i dont know about that one. at least with a rookie, they will be a lot less likely to carry the ego with them because they are exactly as you say, unproven.

the 49ers really dont need a starting receiver. they need a 3rd receiver with speed
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The conventional wisdom now is that DJax will likely have to restructure his contract to get to another team because few will drop $10m/year on him. I sorta feel bad for him but that is a lot of dough with all the cap stuff and it can kill a team later down the road.

Look at Seattle. There were rumors they wanted DJax but when you realize they're trying to re-sign a bunch of guys and save $$$ for Russell Wilson in the future, dropping $10m on one player for a year isn't smart.

Of course Jackson't rep (fair or unfair) doesn't help. My guess is teams are afraid of his size and that kind of money will be wasted if he's injured. On top of that, a poor or suspect attitude is a hard combo.
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LethalFang;842296556 said:

I agree.
Watching how the Niners operate the past few years, they aren't going to take a $12 million salary cap hit for a free agent.


He'd be the highest paid player on the team by about $5 million.

And honestly, if they don't make another significant move this offseason, my hunch is that every single penny of cap space is going to end up in Colin Kaepernick's next contract. Maybe they technically have about $5-6 million to play with right now, but I think they have already spent all of it in their minds.
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Isn't VD paid more than that?

also, Kaep shortly
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Davidson;842296574 said:

Isn't VD paid more than that?

also, Kaep shortly


Not even close. He'll make $7.3 million this year. You can see every cap figure here:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/cap-hit/

VD's biggest cap hit in his current contract was last year at $8.7 million

The Niners are pretty remarkable when it comes to maximizing their dollar value. I don't have proof yet, but I'm pretty sure Paraag Marathe is a wizard.

EDIT: Also, Kaep will eventually get paid more, but not this season. If they gave him every remaining Cap dollar after signing rookies, he'd still make less than $10 million this season.
beelzebear
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Tim Kawakami is blogging the Niners goal with Kap is an extension by training camp. They're not signing DJax unless he restructures.
okaydo
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IS it weird that they include a stylized photo in their tweet?

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Davidson;842296566 said:

QUESTION.

if he is released.

teams can pay him whatever they want?


yes. plus philly takes a $6.25 million cap hit in 2014 due to his signing bonus/guaranteed money.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/desean-jackson/

I'm sure the eagles want to trade him to avoid that cap hit of releasing him ($6.25 million) or of having him on roster (then its $12.75 million in 2014 and the same decision next year looms). Because Desean keeps the signing bonus and guaranteed money if he is released, a new team would only have to pay $8 million/ yr for 3 years to give desean the same compensation as he will make with the eagles. BUT of course, if he hits the open market, all bets are off on the length/amount he will ask for.

I'm still not sure why Philly would want to get rid of him, but if they want to go that way, they are seemingly playing a game of chicken where they want something in return in a trade (and that avoids the cap hit), but when whatever deadline hits for the 2014 roster, they might be planning to cut him regardless.

One thing about the cap I'm not sure about is if there are creative ways for one team to take on more of a cap hit or not... I don't think so.. so no salary sharing like in baseball.
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ColoradoBear1;842296651 said:

yes. plus philly takes a $6.25 million cap hit in 2014 due to his signing bonus/guaranteed money.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/desean-jackson/

I'm sure the eagles want to trade him to avoid that cap hit of releasing him ($6.25 million) or of having him on roster (then its $12.75 million in 2014 and the same decision next year looms). Because Desean keeps the signing bonus and guaranteed money if he is released, a new team would only have to pay $8 million/ yr for 3 years to give desean the same compensation as he will make with the eagles. BUT of course, if he hits the open market, all bets are off on the length/amount he will ask for.

I'm still not sure why Philly would want to get rid of him, but if they want to go that way, they are seemingly playing a game of chicken where they want something in return in a trade (and that avoids the cap hit), but when whatever deadline hits for the 2014 roster, they might be planning to cut him regardless.

One thing about the cap I'm not sure about is if there are creative ways for one team to take on more of a cap hit or not... I don't think so.. so no salary sharing like in baseball.


Can anyone blame DeSean for holding out a couple of years ago? "Honoring the contract" only applies to players.
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YuSeeBerkeley;842296683 said:

Can anyone blame DeSean for holding out a couple of years ago? "Honoring the contract" only applies to players.


Let me introduce to you the American Sports Fan, including way too many people on this very board, who do not get this fact and bashed DeSean to no end when he held out (as they do every time his name comes up).
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YuSeeBerkeley;842296683 said:

Can anyone blame DeSean for holding out a couple of years ago? "Honoring the contract" only applies to players.


Philly has terrible and cheap management...and they're showing it again. BTW, nothing wrong with cheap if you're mostly right like Billy Beane. Philly however is a messed up franchise. Actually the A's and Lew Wolff are too but Beane still wins.
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grandmastapoop;842296695 said:

Let me introduce to you the American Sports Fan, including way too many people on this very board, who do not get this fact and bashed DeSean to no end when he held out (as they do every time his name comes up).


To add, DeSean gave them 3,000+ yards and pro bowls during his rookie contract where he made a measly 800K base...they got a steal. They can complain about overpaying but doesn't come close to the value he provided through his rookie contract
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YuSeeBerkeley;842296683 said:

Can anyone blame DeSean for holding out a couple of years ago? "Honoring the contract" only applies to players.


I didn't blame him for holding out. I don't blame players who played like all-stars but paid like scrubs.

I blame first round rookies holding out without proving anything.
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beelzebear;842296699 said:

Philly has terrible and cheap management...and they're showing it again. BTW, nothing wrong with cheap if you're mostly right like Billy Beane. Philly however is a messed up franchise. Actually the A's and Lew Wolff are too but Beane still wins.


I always thought of Beane being cheap because the A's were po. Like really po.
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grandmastapoop;842296447 said:

Read yesterday that the Seahawks have "no interest" in DJaxc.


I read the same today.

If true, and if reports that the 49ers haven't even made contact with the Eagles are true, then that just leaves the Jets.
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when asked, of course you say you have no interest
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grandmastapoop;842296695 said:

Let me introduce to you the American Sports Fan, including way too many people on this very board, who do not get this fact and bashed DeSean to no end when he held out (as they do every time his name comes up).


Agreed. Plus he did NOT sit out. He agreed to show up in camp to be ready to play in the [U]lockout[/U] (imposed by the owners to change a contract THEY negotiated) shortened season when Philly management made a verbal agreement ("promised") to get Desean's contract extension done. When they didn't, he told the media he was "unhappy" and was bashed here for that. His critics would say "He agreed to the contract" ignoring that rookie contracts are pre-set and are not negotiated. And of course, the owners, once again, do not honor their contracts.
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Now, this makes things interesting....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/28/eagles-release-desean-jackson/?cid=Yahoo
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And they smear him on the way out. Hope he goes to Dallas who I hate
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Well all this desean bashing is great news...soon desean will be cheap enough for the niners to afford.
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This is just a smoke screen to "show" Cal fans that the 9ers don't hate Cal:

http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_25467521/report-san-francisco-49ers-interested-desean-jackson
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philbert;842299644 said:

This is just a smoke screen to "show" Cal fans that the 9ers don't hate Cal:

http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_25467521/report-san-francisco-49ers-interested-desean-jackson



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philbert;842299644 said:

This is just a smoke screen to "show" Cal fans that the 9ers don't hate Cal:

http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_25467521/report-san-francisco-49ers-interested-desean-jackson


Naw, the Niners were just trying to sabotage his dinner/deal with the D.C. team. :p
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Harbaugh only recruits tight ends. Idiot.
 
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