Cal Panda Bear;842294570 said:

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Oh please. First off, the rookie they picked up AFTER Keenan was Quinton Patton who was injured most of the season. And in the limited time he's played, the kid has made some big plays. Too early to pass judgment.

Second of all, ALOT of teams passed up on Keenan and DeSean. So what? Are they Cal-haters too?

Your only argument is the Niners picking Smith over Rodgers. However I still contend Rodgers was put in a better place on a better team. And little birdie people keep forgetting - it was the current Packers head coach who made the call to not pick Rodgers for the Niners.

Put your "Cal produces the greatest NFL players ever and anyone who doesn't pick them hates Cal" glasses aside.

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Quinton Patton is a promising prospect, but are you really saying that there's any single team that would trade the chance for Keenan Allen to instead take Quinton Patton?

Cal Panda Bear;842294570 said:

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Oh please. First off, the rookie they picked up AFTER Keenan was Quinton Patton who was injured most of the season. And in the limited time he's played, the kid has made some big plays. Too early to pass judgment.

Second of all, ALOT of teams passed up on Keenan and DeSean. So what? Are they Cal-haters too?

Your only argument is the Niners picking Smith over Rodgers. However I still contend Rodgers was put in a better place on a better team. And little birdie people keep forgetting - it was the current Packers head coach who made the call to not pick Rodgers for the Niners.

Put your "Cal produces the greatest NFL players ever and anyone who doesn't pick them hates Cal" glasses aside.

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jfc, im just saying that in football, people only care about recent memory. people are like drudging up stats from like 1942, lol.

i don't care either way, i don't think there is a big conspiracy, it's laughable, im just saying that they should've picked keenan in one of the 3 chances they had and hindsight is 20/20 and you bringing up patton is lmao.

Cal Panda Bear;842294442 said:

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Point is - Furd > Cal

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We get it. You're a bigger fan of the Niners than of Cal, and you're even willing to state the above to make your point. Please, just go away and find a Niners forum where you and 71Bear can continue to hate on former Cal players. I don't care about the Niners. I care about DeSean. He was one of the most dynamic players to ever put on a Cal uniform, and he doesn't deserve to be bashed on a CAL FORUM.

StillNoStanfurdium;842294604 said:

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Quinton Patton is a promising prospect, but are you really saying that there's any single team that would trade the chance for Keenan Allen to instead take Quinton Patton?

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Im saying it's way too early to pass judgment on Quinton Patton. I dont disagree that Allen has a big year his rookie season. But like I said - Allen played in more games than Patton. Patton has shown flashes in his limited time this past season. Does this mean I think Patton will be better than Allen? Not at all. Im just saying we can't make any judgments yet.

The judgment we can make is that Keenan would have helped the niners tremendously last year, which is what we were talking about

Davidson;842294651 said:

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jfc, im just saying that in football, people only care about recent memory. people are like drudging up stats from like 1942, lol.

i don't care either way, i don't think there is a big conspiracy, it's laughable, im just saying that they should've picked keenan in one of the 3 chances they had and hindsight is 20/20 and you bringing up patton is lmao.

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Again, that is a little unfair. Let's note this though -

[SIZE="3"]7 [/SIZE]teams picked WRs before Keenan Allen (STL, Houston, Min, Ten, Buffalo, NE, Dallas). Where are the "Oh these guys hate Cal and are all stupid because they passed up on Keenan Allen" posts?

Niners picked Patton AFTER Keenan was taken because he was the best player on the board at the time. Also, the Niners didnt need a WR (at the time because they thought AJ Jenkins was still legit).

If you want to use hindsight, EVERY NFL team except SD made a mistake not picking Keenan Allen.

Davidson;842294703 said:

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The judgment we can make is that Keenan would have helped the niners tremendously last year, which is what we were talking about

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Sure, he could have and I dont deny that. But your argument that the Niners hate Cal and screwed up for not picking Allen is illogical and makes no sense at all.

Davidson;842294651 said:

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jfc, im just saying that in football, people only care about recent memory. people are like drudging up stats from like 1942, lol.

i don't care either way, i don't think there is a big conspiracy, it's laughable, im just saying that they should've picked keenan in one of the 3 chances they had and hindsight is 20/20 and you bringing up patton is lmao.

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You know what my favorite part of the annual "49ers hate Cal argument" is? The fact that I can just repost the same things I wrote last year!

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I'm just going to repost this from the last time this idiotic line of reasoning was brought up:

Since 1967, here are the teams who have drafted the most Cal players:

Chicago - 8
Oakland - 7
Philly - 7
SAN FRANCISCO - 6

You can be upset that the Niners haven't been fortunate enough to draft studly Cal players, but blaming the Niners is silly. Saying they actively avoid Cal players is ludicrous.

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And as for their recent history:

Instead of Lynch, the Niners took Willis, and they already had Gore.

Instead of reaching quite a bit for Mack, they took Crabtree who is developing into a pretty good WR. Time will tell, but I'm betting we eventually call this close enough to a wash.

I'll ignore that Mebane is a 4-3 tackle, a bad fit, and that Aubrayo Franklin was pretty solid in the middle, and just point out that instead of Mebane, the Niners ended up with Willis, Staley and Ray MacDonald in the first three rounds with a miss on Jason Hill.

I too wish they had taken Marvin Jones, but let's cool it on a guy who had 18 receptions last year.

Seeing as it took 3 years and a timely injury for Bishop to earn a starting job, I'm not sure that anyone saw that coming. Furthermore, if Bishop were on the Niners, he'd be their third MLB anyway.

I won't defend taking Balmer or Chilo over Jackson (or really anything the Niners did in 2008) but DeSean is and was a bad fit for the Niners and has had success due to the offensive scheme of the Eagles. Imagine DeSean trying to block on a Kaepernick run...it's not happening.

Smith over Rodgers is indefensible.

So we have one clear mistake, one breakout player that would currently be a back up, and a number of guys that don't fit the system, or were passed on for equal or superior players. I'm sure the Niners regularly pass on good players because they hate Cal and willfully handicap themselves, but it sure seems to me that they are making good decisions based on the players available and existing team needs.

For the record, there are several other schools that the 49ers hate. Please go inform the message boards for those programs so that they can do some insane complaining.

The Niners have zero players from:

Alabama
Florida St.
UCLA
Oklahoma
Clemson
Nebraska

And no active member of the team or recent draft pick has come from a school that Jim Harbaugh and Co clearly dislikes:

Stanford

(Worst line of reasoning ever)

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I'll make only three modifications to what I said a year ago.

1) It took until this offseason for them to add a Stanford player. Whoopdido! There was an active Cal player on the roster last year, so we're clearly winning that battle! Go bears or something....

2) I definitely think more highly of Marvin Jones now than I did a year ago.

3) I really really really wish they had taken Keenan Allen. So do the other 30 teams that passed on him multiple times.

As for the topic at hand, it's absolutely imperative that 49er receivers be above average blockers. Desean doesn't block. He's a bad fit for the Niners, and as much as I think he will have much success with some other team this year, I do not think it will be with San Francisco.

YuSeeBerkeley;842294675 said:

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We get it. You're a bigger fan of the Niners than of Cal, and you're even willing to state the above to make your point. Please, just go away and find a Niners forum where you and 71Bear can continue to hate on former Cal players. I don't care about the Niners. I care about DeSean. He was one of the most dynamic players to ever put on a Cal uniform, and he doesn't deserve to be bashed on a CAL FORUM.

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Wow, you are the biggest troll ever. I was saying that historically speaking, Furd sent more prospects to the NFL than Cal. If you are too blinded to recognize that and realize that Furd has historically done better than Cal, you are an idiot. This doesnt mean I like Furd more than Cal, it just means I believe Cal needs to start performing at a higher level in order to beat Furd.

And last I checked, this thread is about the NINERS. If you didnt want to see anything about the Niners on this board, why post on this thread?

CalBearRJ;842294706 said:

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You know what my favorite part of the annual "49ers hate Cal argument" is? The fact that I can just repost the same things I wrote last year!



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I'll make only three modifications to what I said a year ago.

1) It took until this offseason for them to add a Stanford player. Whoopdido!

2) I definitely think more highly of Marvin Jones now than I did a year ago.

3) I really really really wish they had taken Keenan Allen. So do the other 30 teams that passed on him multiple times.

As for the topic at hand, it's absolutely imperative that 49er receivers be above average blockers. Desean doesn't block. He's a bad fit for the Niners, and as much as I think he will have much success with some other team this year, I do not think it will be with San Francisco.

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You, sir, are awesome.

Cal Panda Bear;842294705 said:

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Sure, he could have and I dont deny that. But your argument that the Niners hate Cal and screwed up for not picking Allen is illogical and makes no sense at all.

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thats not my argument at all. i just said that people always refer to recent memory.

then i went on a tangent about how they shoulda picked keenan man. cost them a SB

Cal Panda Bear;842294709 said:

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You, sir, are awesome.

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This same argument happens every single year. If the Niners had taken Rodgers, we'd never hear any of this craziness. BTW...did you know that there has been a decade long conspiracy against Cal by a third of the league?

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And yet, over that time period, nine NFL teams have chosen not to select any Cal players.

Guys, it's worse than we thought. It's not just that the Niners have a huge bias against the Bears...a full third of the league does!!! I mean, when the Cowboys, Giants, Dolphins, Jets, Niners, Cheifs, Chargers, Bucs and Texans decide not to draft Cal players for a decade it's a bad sign. We need to infiltrate the secret meeting that these teams are having next year where they choose to handicap their ability to win by selecting certain schools to hate and convince them of our virtue! They must know that choosing not to take talented players because of their alma mater is unacceptable.

Start getting the word out, everyone! One third of the NFL must go down!!!

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Our infiltration of the secret meeting convinced the Chargers. Only eight more teams to go!!!

Cal Panda Bear;842294708 said:

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Wow, you are the biggest troll ever. I was saying that historically speaking, Furd sent more prospects to the NFL than Cal. If you are too blinded to recognize that and realize that Furd has historically done better than Cal, you are an idiot. This doesnt mean I like Furd more than Cal, it just means I believe Cal needs to start performing at a higher level in order to beat Furd.

And last I checked, this thread is about the NINERS. If you didnt want to see anything about the Niners on this board, why post on this thread?

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See that is the difference. You don't even know that this thread is about Desean Jackson, a Cal player. That is why it is posted on a Cal board.

CalBearRJ;842294706 said:

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Desean doesn't block.

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Here's a training video of Desean teaching how to block.

CalBearRJ;842294715 said:

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This same argument happens every single year. If the Niners had taken Rodgers, we'd never hear any of this craziness. !

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Yes, IF the Niners did not have a pattern of passing up star Cal players at positions of need and taking lesser players at the same position from elsewhere (in my day it was LB Todd Shell of BYU instead of Ron Rivera), then no one would be able to say they have a pattern of passing up star Cal players at positions of need and taking lesser players at the same position from elsewhere.

Davidson;842294703 said:

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The judgment we can make is that Keenan would have helped the niners tremendously last year, which is what we were talking about

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He certainly could have. But at the time of the draft, Crabtree was not injured, the Niners had recently acquired Boldin, and WR was probably not seen as the biggest need on the team. The Niners would have needed to use a second round pick to acquire Allen. In retrospect, that's a bargain. But at the time, the front office made judgments based on current need. They selected the following three players before Allen was off the board:

1) Eric Reid - remember when Goldson started for the Niners? Yeah, me neither.

2) Tank Carradine - An interesting pick, because he should have been a first rounder, but he got injured. The Niners have a loaded roster, and can give him time to recover fully. If this pick works out, he will replace an aging Justin Smith as early as this season. Tank could be an impact player at arguably the most important (and underrated) position on the Niner's defense. When you think your starting receivers are set, this is a good decision.

3) Vance MacDonald - This is probably where the Niners, in retrospect, should have taken Allen. That being said, the "back up" tight end is one of the more important roles on the Niners offense. It's a crazy hybrid position that involves being a receiver, lineman, fullback, and basically anything strange that Greg Roman can cook up. Furthermore, the second TE is on the field more often than the third receiver in the Niners offense. This was the bigger need to fill. Unfortunately, Allen is a much better player.

Your assertion that Allen would have helped tremendously is spot on, but it also requires a great deal of hindsight. If the Niners knew they would be without Crabtree for much of the season, they absolutely would have picked a receiver earlier. Waiting until the 4th round to take Patton was not because of a bias against Cal, though. It was because they filled what they saw to be bigger needs first. It's what every single NFL team tries to do. Except the Redskins...I have no idea what they are trying to do.

calumnus;842294734 said:

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Yes, IF the Niners did not have a pattern of passing up star Cal players at positions of need and taking lesser players at the same position from elsewhere (in my day it was LB Todd Shell of BYU instead of Ron Rivera), then no one would be able to say they have a pattern of passing up star Cal players at positions of need and taking lesser players at the same position from elsewhere.

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Give me enough time, and I can find you an example of all 32 teams doing this to Cal. Hell, between Allen and Rodgers, we probably most of the league covered!

A few isolated incidents over the course of several decades doesn't make something a "trend."

CalBearRJ;842294747 said:

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Give me enough time, and I can find you an example of all 32 teams doing this to Cal. Hell, between Allen and Rodgers, we probably most of the league covered!

A few isolated incidents over the course of several decades doesn't make something a "trend."

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I assume people put a bigger onus on the Niners to draft Cal players because of the local connection and since scouting us should be easier for them. Thus it seems ridiculous that of all the teams in the league that any Cal players end up flying in below the SF radar.

StillNoStanfurdium;842294750 said:

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I assume people put a bigger onus on the Niners to draft Cal players because of the local connection and since scouting us should be easier for them. Thus it seems ridiculous that of all the teams in the league that any Cal players end up flying in below the SF radar.

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What about the Raiders, who if anything are closer in proximity to Cal than the Niners?

Again, people want to perpetuate a myth about the Niners not liking Cal, yet have no basis for doing so when every other team passes up Cal players for others.

Cal Panda Bear;842294755 said:

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What about the Raiders, who if anything are closer in proximity to Cal than the Niners?

Again, people want to perpetuate a myth about the Niners not liking Cal, yet have no basis for doing so when every other team passes up Cal players for others.

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How long did it take people to forget about Andre Carter? Add that time to the end of Nnamdi's career, and that's when we'll start hearing the same stupidity about the Raiders.

CalBearRJ;842294766 said:

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How long did it take people to forget about Andre Carter? Add that time to the end of Nnamdi's career, and that's when we'll start hearing the same stupidity about the Raiders.

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Oh mah lord, and who drafted Andre Carter?

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Carter was selected by the San Francisco 49ers in the first round of the 2001 NFL Draft. Because the 49ers used a 3-4 defense under Head Coach Mike Nolan, Carter was moved to outside linebacker. While playing for the 49ers, he made 154 solo tackles, 32 sacks, and 12 pass deflections in 69 games.

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And Nnamdi played for the Niners last year.

RJ, do you mind if I repost your posts about the Niners drafting more Cal players than any other team everytime we hear stupid stuff like the Niners hate Cal on this board?

Cal Panda Bear;842294755 said:

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What about the Raiders, who if anything are closer in proximity to Cal than the Niners?

Again, people want to perpetuate a myth about the Niners not liking Cal, yet have no basis for doing so when every other team passes up Cal players for others.

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The other reason being that people generally assume the Raiders are incompetent at management so their drafting is a crapshoot anyways. It's actually complementary to hold the Niners to a higher standard cause I guess critics feel like their head office should know better.

I bet it's also largely because of the huge high profile Aaron Rodgers snubbing. Raiders never had a kind of snub that big on Cal. And the Raiders at least had Nnamdi in his prime.

calumnus;842294734 said:

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Yes, IF the Niners did not have a pattern of passing up star Cal players at positions of need and taking lesser players at the same position from elsewhere (in my day it was LB Todd Shell of BYU instead of Ron Rivera), then no one would be able to say they have a pattern of passing up star Cal players at positions of need and taking lesser players at the same position from elsewhere.

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after the todd shell pick in 1984 (btw, his career was cut short by a neck injury):

in 1994 the niners were in need of a placekicker, and drafted doug brien in the 3rd round.

in 1998 they needed a center, and drafted jeremy newberry in the 2nd round.

in 2001 they needed a rush end, and drafted andre carter with the 7th overall pick.

i wonder if these former golden bears would agree that the niners have a pattern of passing up star Cal players at positions of need and taking lesser players at the same position from elsewhere?

high calibear;842294775 said:

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after the todd shell pick in 1984 (btw, his career was cut short by a neck injury):

in 1994 the niners were in need of a placekicker, and drafted doug brien in the 3rd round.

in 1998 they needed a center, and drafted jeremy newberry in the 2nd round.

in 2001 they needed a rush end, and drafted andre carter with the 7th overall pick.

i wonder if these former golden bears would agree that the niners have a pattern of passing up star Cal players at positions of need and taking lesser players at the same position from elsewhere?

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like i said, recent memory. last ten years Cal produced way more NFL guys than the previous 50

those are like from 15-20 years ago, a little more, we can talk about the last time we won the rose bowl and have a bottle a champagne while we reminisce

Cal Panda Bear;842294768 said:

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Oh mah lord, and who drafted Andre Carter?



And Nnamdi played for the Niners last year.

RJ, do you mind if I repost your posts about the Niners drafting more Cal players than any other team everytime we hear stupid stuff like the Niners hate Cal on this board?

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Go ahead...it'll save me the time it takes to do it.

EDIT: Just please give me credit

Davidson;842294794 said:

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like i said, recent memory. last ten years Cal produced way more NFL guys than the previous 50

those are like from 15-20 years ago, a little more, we can talk about the last time we won the rose bowl and have a bottle a champagne while we reminisce

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That's not entirely true. They produced more NFL guys, yes, but not way more. Over the last 10 years 42 Cal players were drafted. The previous decade saw 36 get drafted, including the likes of Nnamdi, Langston Walker, Scott Fujita, Deltha O'Neil, Tarik Glenn, and Tony Gonzales. The pre-Tedford years produced more NFL talent than you realize.

As for the recent draftees, I think I've made a pretty good case as to why most of them were either poor fits or inferior choices considering who the Niners selected instead. One of the two clear mistakes (Allen) was at least defensible.

This leaves us with only Rodgers to complain about, and, sadly, I don't think Cal fans will ever stop doing that. None of the current Niners brass was in charge when that decision was made, but it's probably still their fault somehow.

CalBearRJ;842294803 said:

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This leaves us with only Rodgers to complain about, and, sadly, I don't think Cal fans will ever stop doing that. None of the current Niners brass was in charge when that decision was made, but it's probably still their fault somehow.

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And even then, the guy who made the call is the one who's coaching him right now.

re: Rodgers... Why is it that no one talks about the Raiders selected Fabian Washington instead of AR? At least Alex Smith has had a decent career...

Why stop at SF? Every team in football blew off Brady. He was selected 199th...

cuz, honestly, nobody cares about the raiders, hurts, but it's the troof

calumnus;842294723 said:

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See that is the difference. You don't even know that this thread is about Desean Jackson, a Cal player. That is why it is posted on a Cal board.

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Bingo!

Think about desean doing punt return for the niners. Wow can you say game breaker at a position of need

tommie317;842294943 said:

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Think about desean doing punt return for the niners. Wow can you say game breaker at a position of need

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I dream of it