gobears725;842316462 said:

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of course not, but just judging with how Cal athletics generally handles these situations, its a rough estimate. i dont think he'll be gone after this year regardless of how he does.

FYI. i did a rough count of our roster from calbears.com. 43 of the 85 players on our roster are either juniors or seniors, thats always been my definition of upperclassmen. :acclaim:

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Yes, but if most the people on the field are sophomores and juniors then it really doesn't matter. You can have 40 seniors, but if none see the field, then it is useless.

KoreAmBear;842316438 said:

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Boy was I surprised. Never thought in a million years we would have THAT kind of season.

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Blue and Gold glasses will do that to you.

Two guys were drafted, both on measurables, not production.

One TD From one and 1/2 sack from the other "best talent" on the team is not good. Teddy's recruits quit on him and then Sonny.

Maybe half the players on the team should even be D1.

I'll be there, regardless.

FrankBear21;842316467 said:

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Yes, but if most the people on the field are sophomores and juniors then it really doesn't matter. You can have 40 seniors, but if none see the field, then it is useless.

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Who decides which people play?

tequila4kapp;842316470 said:

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Who decides which people play?

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injury gods decided that last yr

FrankBear21;842316467 said:

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Yes, but if most the people on the field are sophomores and juniors then it really doesn't matter. You can have 40 seniors, but if none see the field, then it is useless.

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looking over the spring depth chart, theres 35 players out of 65 players by my count are upperclassmen. the 65 are players that are likely to receive playing time throughout the season and of that 35 of them are juniors or seniors.

that would be taking into account leaving off some walk-ons like webb that are very unlikely to get playing time and i left off Jalil because of his injuries. i dont think we are a young football team

just looking at starters 3 of 5 starters on the o-line are upperclassmen. lasco, gingold, davis, anderson, treggs. on offense in our spread formation without gingold its 7 of 11 starters are upperclassmen and thats leaving off chris harper.

defense:
scarlett, wilfly, kragen, espitia, jefferson, sebastian, lowe

so 7 of 11 starters are upperclassmen again

i dont know what to say if you think we are young

SmellinRoses;842316378 said:

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From ESPN piece today:

"[In the fall] we're going to have only four players [who] have been in the program for four or five years," he said. "We're dealing with some staggeringly low numbers of upperclassmen. Without guys that have played a lot of football, there is going to be some growing to do.

Last year, unprompted at the beginning of the season, he kept citing some Phil Steele stat about how young the team was.

Just not buying this guy at all...Please stop whining and win football games.

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Please stop whining about the coaching staff.

Has any coach ever said anything before or after a game that made you think...wow, that was insightful?

climbingbear;842316457 said:

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Why do you think he has two more years? If Cal only wins 1-2 games this season, would you support bringing Sonny back for a third year?

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we wouldn't, but Sandy would--as long as APR keeps moving in the right direction.

GB54;842316486 said:

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Has any coach ever said anything before or after a game that made you think...wow, that was insightful?

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no, not particularly. i mean maybe really good coaches like coach K. but ours sort of lies sometimes or tells half truths or says immflamatory things about message boards. just kind of sillyness. just think that hes a little off the wall

climbingbear;842316457 said:

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Why do you think he has two more years? If Cal only wins 1-2 games this season, would you support bringing Sonny back for a third year?

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I wouldn't support firing Sonny until Sandy is gone.

socaliganbear;842316494 said:

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I wouldn't support firing Sonny until Sandy is gone.

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why couldn't Wilton or whomever tie Sonny's contract and job to Sandy's...if one has to go, they both have to go! do or die!!

gobears725;842316477 said:

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looking over the spring depth chart, theres 35 players out of 65 players by my count are upperclassmen. the 65 are players that are likely to receive playing time throughout the season and of that 35 of them are juniors or seniors.

that would be taking into account leaving off some walk-ons like webb that are very unlikely to get playing time and i left off Jalil because of his injuries. i dont think we are a young football team

just looking at starters 3 of 5 starters on the o-line are upperclassmen. lasco, gingold, davis, anderson, treggs. on offense in our spread formation without gingold its 7 of 11 starters are upperclassmen and thats leaving off chris harper.

defense:
scarlett, wilfly, kragen, espitia, jefferson, sebastian, lowe

so 7 of 11 starters are upperclassmen again

i dont know what to say if you think we are young

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I don't even know where to begin with this post. It still shows the lack of seniors on the squad, which is Dykes main argument. I wish I wasn't on my phone so I could dig into this post more. All I saw was (true) junior, (true) junior, junior and seniors coming back from injury. Some of the people on here aren't even upperclassmen, and the fact you even say Kragen is a joke. He might see the field for 3 plays a game outside of special teams, tops.

FrankBear21;842316497 said:

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I don't even know where to begin with this post. It still shows the lack of seniors on the squad, which is Dykes main argument. I wish I wasn't on my phone so I could dig into this post more. All I saw was (true) junior, (true) junior, junior and seniors coming back from injury. Some of the people on here aren't even upperclassmen, and the fact you even say Kragen is a joke. He might see the field for 3 plays a game outside of special teams, tops.

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im not saying kragen. dykes is saying kragen. hes listed as a starter. im just going off who dykes is listing as his starters. most coaches define upperclassmen as juniors and seniors. if dykes means seniors, thats another way of defining upperclassmen that isnt usually used.

the depth chart doesnt support dykes argument. if he were to say something along the lines of: we're young at KEY positions, then thatd be accurate. we have a young qb still, we have a young LT, our depth is young at RB behind lasco, our corners are young. otherwise its another exageration thrown around by dykes. again, its yea, yea, whatever you say dykes, your results will speak for itself, so whatever you say. in the end its his W-L record that will matter. not whatever bs he cooks up for people and whether or not you want to believe it anyway

SmellinRoses;842316378 said:

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From ESPN piece today:


Just not buying this guy at all...Please stop whining and win football games.

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Speaking of whining - please stop. Your getting tiresome........

beeasyed;842316495 said:

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why couldn't Wilton or whomever tie Sonny's contract and job to Sandy's...if one has to go, they both have to go! do or die!!

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Oh I agree. But If I'm carrying the pitchfork for anyone it's for Sandy. She's the boss trying to right the ship of the her own disaster fb/academics. I get the sense Dykes and Wilton would take that step too. Their loyalty is to the health of the university. None of this "ooh but so and so helped us rack up a giant credit card bill we can't pay off" bs. But that's mostly just in my head

FrankBear21;842316497 said:

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I don't even know where to begin with this post. It still shows the lack of seniors on the squad, which is Dykes main argument. I wish I wasn't on my phone so I could dig into this post more. All I saw was (true) junior, (true) junior, junior and seniors coming back from injury. Some of the people on here aren't even upperclassmen, and the fact you even say Kragen is a joke. He might see the field for 3 plays a game outside of special teams, tops.

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the fact that you think Kragen isn't going to play more than 3 downs a game is a joke.

you think our defense is going to be pass rush every down with Scarlett and Sina? a guy who's been out 2 seasons, and another guy out from a critical knee injury?

also: who do you think recruited Kragen??? :rollinglaugh:

KevBear;842316430 said:

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BTW, the problem with this team is not QB, it's pretty much every other position. Sure, Dykes was not dealt a pat hand, but don't you think the approx. 15 guys who've left the program with eligibility remaining since Dykes took over might have been helpful in this regard? Yeah, some of them may have been problem cases who had to be removed. But some if not most may have been guys who a better leader could have salvaged. Exactly why does Dykes get the benefit of the doubt for every player who leaves this program?

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Dude, you don't know how many of those 15 guys would or wouldn't have been helpful towards the relative success of the team. Clearly your assumption is that Dykes was given the keys to the barn and left the door open only to see the best players leave for better pastures. By all accounts there were several reasons why players left the program, all of which have nothing to do with Dykes leadership. Some were academic casualties (Molala), some were not a good fit for the new system (Rodgers), some saw dollar signs (Jackson), some had disciplinary problems off the field (McCain). The reason why Dykes gets the benefit of the doubt is that he KNOWS the real story why players left. You simply make a judgement based on your lack of inner peace with a 1-11 season and levy blame with no material basis for calling him out.

socaliganbear;842316503 said:

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Oh I agree. But If I'm carrying the pitchfork for anyone it's for Sandy. She's the boss trying to right the ship of the her own disaster fb/academics. I get the sense Dykes and Wilton would take that step too. But that's mostly just in my head.

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i think it's a wise move for a university when only 1 person (AD, for example) supports a FB HC candidate. their livelihood should be tied to their pick.

the other scenario is if we could have "2 athletic directors" of sorts. 1 for all sports, minus FB and BB. Sandy can take care of that. leave FB and BB to the big boys (or girls)

title of the OP should have been: Cave of the negaBears.
:rollinglaugh:

:gobears:

CALiforniALUM;842316506 said:

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Dude, you don't know how many of those 15 guys would or wouldn't have been helpful towards the relative success of the team. Clearly your assumption is that Dykes was given the keys to the barn and left the door open only to see the best players leave for better pastures. By all accounts there were several reasons why players left the program, all of which have nothing to do with Dykes leadership. Some were academic casualties (Molala), some were not a good fit for the new system (Rodgers), some saw dollar signs (Jackson), some had disciplinary problems off the field (McCain). The reason why Dykes gets the benefit of the doubt is that he KNOWS the real story why players left. You simply make a judgement based on your lack of inner peace with a 1-11 season and levy blame with no material basis for calling him out.

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is there NOTHING that falls on the coaches? where does the buck stop then? on "bad luck" b/c we have injuries and inexperience?

besides guys like Moala and McCain leaving, i think it's a crock of sh*t that people think it's "bad luck" that we saw 3 transfers from a single position unit, 2 of whom could've actively contributed as true frosh. instead one is now at Oregon, and another probably to OSU or TTech. oh, and our MOST sought-after OL (Tagaloa) in 5 years transferred to Arizona. and immediately the Pro-Staff crowd are calling him a bust.

and the worst part is, now half of you "Sonny can do no wrong" crowd are now criticizing the last Defensive staff when just a few months ago, you guys were telling others to stop criticizing the coaches and give them time. then now you guys shift all the blame to Buh, and everyone else who was let go.

so who do you think made those hires to begin with...? apparently the buck doesn't stop with the coaches.

socaliganbear;842316494 said:

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I wouldn't support firing Sonny until Sandy is gone.

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+1

SRBear;842316390 said:

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Is he lying or something? All he is doing is stating the truth.

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Exactly!!! What the hell is supposed to say?! We are deep and loaded and will be flying around?!!

beeasyed;842316515 said:

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is there NOTHING that falls on the coaches? where does the buck stop then? on "bad luck" b/c we have injuries and inexperience?

besides guys like Moala and McCain leaving, i think it's a crock of sh*t that people think it's "bad luck" that we saw 3 transfers from a single position unit, 2 of whom could've actively contributed as true frosh. instead one is now at Oregon, and another probably to OSU or TTech. oh, and our MOST sought-after OL (Tagaloa) in 5 years transferred to Arizona. and immediately the Pro-Staff crowd are calling him a bust.

and the worst part is, now half of you "Sonny can do no wrong" crowd are now criticizing the last Defensive staff when just a few months ago, you guys were telling others to stop criticizing the coaches and give them time. then now you guys shift all the blame to Buh, and everyone else who was let go.

so who do you think made those hires to begin with...? apparently the buck doesn't stop with the coaches.

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I blame Buh. (but seriously)

Of course someone decided he was worth a guaranteed 1.5 million.... :p

beeasyed;842316515 said:

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is there NOTHING that falls on the coaches? where does the buck stop then? on "bad luck" b/c we have injuries and inexperience?

besides guys like Moala and McCain leaving, i think it's a crock of sh*t that people think it's "bad luck" that we saw 3 transfers from a single position unit, 2 of whom could've actively contributed as true frosh. instead one is now at Oregon, and another probably to OSU or TTech.

and the worst part is, now half of you "Sonny can do no wrong crowd" is now criticizing the last Defensive staff when just a few months ago, you guys were telling others to stop criticizing the coaches and give them time. then now you guys shift all the blame to Buh, and everyone else who was let go.

so who do you think made those hires to begin with...?

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Relax Ed,

this is standard operating procedure. first the assistants get replaced and see if they can make some adjustments. then theyll get one extra year just to make sure and then dykes will go. all we can do as fans is sit back and either watch dykes turn this thing around or watch this go down in flames. either way it'll be entertaining in one way or another, since we know that if this thing goes down in flames, theres a good chance dykes will stick his foot in his mouth as it goes down

gobears725;842316521 said:

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Relax Ed,

this is standard operation procedure. first the assistants get replaced and see if they can make some adjustments. then theyll get one extra year just to make sure and then dykes will go. all we can do as fans is sit back and either watch dykes turn this thing around or watch this go down in flames. either way it'll be entertaining in one way or another, since we know that if this thing goes down in flames, theres a good chance dykes will stick his foot in his mouth as it goes down

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i'm still rooting for Dykes to win NOW. this program has already been set far back enough; i don't want to "rebuild" for another 5 years if another staff takes over.

my only hope is that if Dykes fails, Sandy leaves as well. but knowing Cal, Dykes will get too much time, and Sandy is untouchable as long as APR and Olympic sports are fine.

okaydo;842316440 said:

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He's already won, according to us Portland State Truthers.

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:rollinglaugh:

beeasyed;842316525 said:

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i'm still rooting for Dykes to win NOW. this program has already been set far back enough; i don't want to "rebuild" for another 5 years if another staff takes over.

my only hope is that if Dykes fails, Sandy leaves as well. but knowing Cal, Dykes will get too much time, and Sandy is untouchable as long as APR and Olympic sports are fine.

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hopefully, i mean dykes could be a genius behind the scenes. ive been around a lot of people that say stupid **** but can get the job done. hopefully dykes is one of those people

GB54;842316486 said:

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Has any coach ever said anything before or after a game that made you think...wow, that was insightful?

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"I vow I will attack this endeavor with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind."

- Jim Harbaugh

It was funny as hell at first and then...not so much.

"They were really flying around out there."

- Jeff Tedford

Insightful? No, but I still pine for those halcyon holiday bowl era days.

gobears725;842316477 said:

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looking over the spring depth chart, theres 35 players out of 65 players by my count are upperclassmen. the 65 are players that are likely to receive playing time throughout the season and of that 35 of them are juniors or seniors.

that would be taking into account leaving off some walk-ons like webb that are very unlikely to get playing time and i left off Jalil because of his injuries. i dont think we are a young football team

just looking at starters 3 of 5 starters on the o-line are upperclassmen. lasco, gingold, davis, anderson, treggs. on offense in our spread formation without gingold its 7 of 11 starters are upperclassmen and thats leaving off chris harper.

defense:
scarlett, wilfly, kragen, espitia, jefferson, sebastian, lowe

so 7 of 11 starters are upperclassmen again

i dont know what to say if you think we are young

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Thank you for facts.

Quote:

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Dykes already starting up the excuses for the coming season...

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Starting? It's been 7 to 7.5 months of this.

gobears725;842316499 said:

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im not saying kragen. dykes is saying kragen. hes listed as a starter. im just going off who dykes is listing as his starters. most coaches define upperclassmen as juniors and seniors. if dykes means seniors, thats another way of defining upperclassmen that isnt usually used.

the depth chart doesnt support dykes argument. if he were to say something along the lines of: we're young at KEY positions, then thatd be accurate. we have a young qb still, we have a young LT, our depth is young at RB behind lasco, our corners are young. otherwise its another exageration thrown around by dykes. again, its yea, yea, whatever you say dykes, your results will speak for itself, so whatever you say. in the end its his W-L record that will matter. not whatever bs he cooks up for people and whether or not you want to believe it anyway

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Find another team that started less Senior or upper class starters last year than us. Find me a team that had an OL of FR, FR, SO, JR, FR.

Now go find one that will start less Seniors this year.... Waiting...

How about this. Find me a team that played less upper class period last year. Players that played the most... QB FR, FR... RB JR, FR, SO... WR SO, SO, JR, SR, FR, SO, JR, SO, JR... OL SO, SO, JR, FR, FR, FR, FR, JR, FR... DE... JR, SR, SO, SO... DT SR, JR, FR, SO... LB JR, FR, SO, FR, FR, FR... CB JR, SO, FR, SO, JR... Safety JR, FR, SO, FR

Last year receiving most of the playing time... 3 SRs, 12 JRs, 14 SOs, 17 FR... 15 upperclassmen and 31 lowerclassmen took most of the snaps last year. 1/3 of our players.

Also 8 of those 15 upperclassmen that played a lot last year are gone.

You can bitch about any statements you want, but he is right. We are young and in 2015 we will actually for once have a bunch of JRs and SRs starting and playing a ton of minutes.

jamonit;842316546 said:

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Find another team that started less Senior or upper class starters last year than us. Find me a team that had an OL of FR, FR, SO, JR, FR.

Now go find one that will start less Seniors this year.... Waiting...

How about this. Find me a team that played less upper class period last year. Players that played the most... QB FR, FR... RB JR, FR, SO... WR SO, SO, JR, SR, FR, SO, JR, SO, JR... OL SO, SO, JR, FR, FR, FR, FR, JR, FR... DE... JR, SR, SO, SO... DT SR, JR, FR, SO... LB JR, FR, SO, FR, FR, FR... CB JR, SO, FR, SO, JR... Safety JR, FR, SO, FR

Last year receiving most of the playing time... 3 SRs, 12 JRs, 14 SOs, 17 FR... 15 upperclassmen and 31 lowerclassmen took most of the snaps last year. 1/3 of our players.

Also 8 of those 15 upperclassmen that played a lot last year are gone.

You can bitch about any statements you want, but he is right. We are young and in 2015 we will actually for once have a bunch of JRs and SRs starting and playing a ton of minutes.

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im pretty sure youre doing the bitching

gobears725;842316548 said:

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im pretty sure youre doing the bitching

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Everyone here is bitching. It's what we do best.

gobears725;842316548 said:

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im pretty sure youre doing the bitching

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No I am doing the :headbang man this guy is so desperate to complain about something... Anything. What a dick this guy must be.

he better win ... or wont be much for him to worry about @ CAL

he better bring it .. if tony not calling good games take over cause the defense will be serviceable

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear;842316542 said:

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Thank you for facts.

Starting? It's been 7 to 7.5 months of this.

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No problem NMG. I appreciate the gratitude. For the people that defend Dykes, its no problem honestly. I believe that if Dykes goes down, he'll do enough losing to make himself look bad anyway. what posters say on message boards will be inconsequential as to whether or not he keeps his job