I have always loved the Cal notion of that first, "barometer" game - and it isn't always the first game..In fact, after losing to the Ohio States, Nevadas, Northwestern, the barometer simply shifts to another game, and poof! before you know it, the last game, or Stanford appears, and that will be the "barometer" for next season! Every game will count next season for the reasons that we all acknowledge..that this season is another "learning curve" is bullshit and so are these "make or break" game projections. Play hard, be in [U]EVERY[/U] game, or I sign off.

heartofthebear;842317247 said:

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I think the 4/3 defense is a big mistake. We have always had an easier time getting quality LBs than quality DTs. I think most of Pendergast's success could be attributed to the ability to get 4 talented LBs on the field at once.

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hopefully the multi look defense art will employ will work
we will show 3-4 and 4-3 and 4-2-5 looks ..

going4roses;842317257 said:

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hopefully the multi look defense art will employ will work
we will show 3-4 and 4-3 and 4-2-5 looks ..

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Will a 6-6-2 defense work.

there are some real want to be comedians on BI

going4roses;842317261 said:

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there are some real want to be comedians on BI

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I try my best.

going4roses;842317218 said:

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this as of aug 30th 2014 2:00pm ish cmt/11:00am ish pst we will ALL see for our own eyes what and who this team (players and coaches) really is ..

until then we ALL are just talking

GO BEARS!!!!!

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This.

Bobodeluxe;842317104 said:

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The decision to not hire MM was a head scratcher. Maybe not as good an interview as SD? Who knows?

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MM had only one really good season. SD had many more as HC and OC. IMO he was a safer bet. And IMO MM would have done no better with the team he inherited.
If we had hired MM, We would right now be whining about why we had not hired SD.

GivemTheAxe;842317267 said:

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MM had only one really good season. SD had many more as HC and OC. IMO he was a safer bet. And IMO MM would have done no better with the team he inherited.
If we had hired MM, We would right now be whining about why we had not hired SD.

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:acclaim: Yep

going4roses;842317230 said:

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have you taken a look at the recruiting classes that gus has had to work with wow ... alot of top rated talent to sift through / work with

go look at 2011 12 13 then look at cal and who is still here be able to contribute etc

and wasn't gus at auburn pior to coming back/ returning .. those kids on offense know whats expected for that system and it showed it ..they were well oil machine that running QB with the triple option is nasty imo

now if CAL had been running something similar to TFS/spread prior to sonny/tony.. i think we would have done bit better 3-9 at at least ...

CAL recruited to run Pro style offense and 3-4 defense .. the transition thus far has been a bumpy ride to say the least..

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nobody's comparing how easy it is win at auburn vs cal. manus joked that we'd complain just as much if we had Malzahn instead of Sonny, and that he'd deserve it if he had the worst season in cal history

beeasyed;842317269 said:

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nobody's comparing how easy it is win at auburn vs cal. manus joked that we'd complain just as much if we had Malzahn instead of Sonny, and that he'd deserve it if he had the worst season in cal history

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wrong again.. you are good for that ...

i did not say i was comparing anything at all.. i was saying what i want .. pointing out stats kind of thing ... that was it no more no less

and as to him joking or not i did not even bother look at the comment as joke i just read the words

and had my own random thoughts decided to share ( not for you personal critique !!!) and then here you come wrong as day once again ... my suggestion after your read my posts .. say to yourself whatever im thinking " IM WRONG " cause you keep getting it totally wrong ,going off on your own tangent , save your time i wont mind doubt anyone else would miss you incorrect comments involving my comments either

stop trying to make sense of what i type .. obviously you can not figure it out and thus you continue down the wrong road again ( getting old really fast)

ps take the cape off superwoman trying to save manus lol i think he can defend himself if there was a need .. but low in behold there is NOT cause i was NOT being a smart ass( unlike you ) towards him and then you feeling some kinda of way about it that is your problem

stay in your lane

Just to be clear, how many of the people who are calling for Dykes to be fired now have written checks to Sandy to fund his buyout? I believe it's currently $3 million and drops to $2.25 million January 1st.

You guys might think this is the greatest coaching gig in the world, but I guarantee you if we fire Sonny now, we will have trouble finding a coach fans will be happy with, particularly given our financial situation and the millions that will be going out the door to Sonny.

Tying it all together, it's pretty hard to see how firing Sonny would be in the long term interests of the program before January 1 so unless you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, I look forward to hearing you all complain incessantly until he either turns things around or is fired for failing to do so. In either event, the blathering of people on BI will not have made a difference to anyone who matters.

Unit2Sucks;842317286 said:

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Just to be clear, how many of the people who are calling for Dykes to be fired now have written checks to Sandy to fund his buyout? I believe it's currently $3 million and drops to $2.25 million January 1st.

You guys might think this is the greatest coaching gig in the world, but I guarantee you if we fire Sonny now, we will have trouble finding a coach fans will be happy with, particularly given our financial situation and the millions that will be going out the door to Sonny.

Tying it all together, it's pretty hard to see how firing Sonny would be in the long term interests of the program before January 1 so unless you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, I look forward to hearing you all complain incessantly until he either turns things around or is fired for failing to do so. In either event, the blathering of people on BI will not have made a difference to anyone who matters.

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if we win only a couple games, i could see where itd be in Cal's best interest from a financial standpoint to buy him out. when we lose Cal loses in ticket sales, concessions etc.

gobears725;842317291 said:

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if we win only a couple games, i could see where itd be in Cal's best interest from a financial standpoint to buy him out. when we lose Cal loses in ticket sales, concessions etc.

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What's your list of candidates to replace him?

Fire Dykes and sandy!

72CalBear;842317253 said:

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I have always loved the Cal notion of that first, "barometer" game - and it isn't always the first game..In fact, after losing to the Ohio States, Nevadas, Northwestern, the barometer simply shifts to another game, and poof! before you know it, the last game, or Stanford appears, and that will be the "barometer" for next season! Every game will count next season for the reasons that we all acknowledge..that this season is another "learning curve" is bullshit and so are these "make or break" game projections. Play hard, be in [U]EVERY[/U] game, or I sign off.

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Dykes may have to employ Sun Tzu's Death Ground Strategy.

:gobears:

:rollinglaugh:

72CalBear;842317253 said:

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I have always loved the Cal notion of that first, "barometer" game - and it isn't always the first game..In fact, after losing to the Ohio States, Nevadas, Northwestern, the barometer simply shifts to another game, and poof! before you know it, the last game, or Stanford appears, and that will be the "barometer" for next season! Every game will count next season for the reasons that we all acknowledge..that this season is another "learning curve" is bullshit and so are these "make or break" game projections. Play hard, be in [U]EVERY[/U] game, or I sign off.

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:rollinglaugh:

NYCGOBEARS;842317296 said:

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What's your list of candidates to replace him?

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depending on how Oregon does this year, id take a long hard look at Scott Frost. the reasons being is that he likely has a lot of ties on the west coast and that theres a lot of similarities between what we run and what oregon runs. i think the transition would be fairly easy and the players that dykes has recruited like rubenzer would also fit well into that system as well. hes also young and would come on the cheap side.

id also consider kyle shanahan depending on how he does with johnny football. he likely has some california ties from his dad. again same reasoning, whatever offense they decide to use manziel in will likely have similarities to what we already run, so it would likely make the transition easier

gobears725;842317383 said:

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depending on how Oregon does this year, id take a long hard look at Scott Frost. the reasons being is that he likely has a lot of ties on the west coast and that theres a lot of similarities between what we run and what oregon runs. i think the transition would be fairly easy and the players that dykes has recruited like rubenzer would also fit well into that system as well. hes also young and would come on the cheap side.

id also consider kyle shanahan depending on how he does with johnny football. he likely has some california ties from his dad. again same reasoning, whatever offense they decide to use manziel in will likely have similarities to what we already run, so it would likely make the transition easier

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:rollinglaugh:
this thread gets more and more hilarious

Unit2Sucks;842317286 said:

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Just to be clear, how many of the people who are calling for Dykes to be fired now have written checks to Sandy to fund his buyout? I believe it's currently $3 million and drops to $2.25 million January 1st.

You guys might think this is the greatest coaching gig in the world, but I guarantee you if we fire Sonny now, we will have trouble finding a coach fans will be happy with, particularly given our financial situation and the millions that will be going out the door to Sonny.

Tying it all together, it's pretty hard to see how firing Sonny would be in the long term interests of the program before January 1 so unless you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, I look forward to hearing you all complain incessantly until he either turns things around or is fired for failing to do so. In either event, the blathering of people on BI will not have made a difference to anyone who matters.

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I don't see a mob clamoring to fire Sonny. I see a few people making the case why it would be justified.

Sonny is not just a bystander to the worst season in 100 years of Cal FB. Lost every FBS game and blown out in most. Last year wasn't just a bad season. It is the worst in history. Think about that.

We've had across the board fail outside of APR improvement from Sonny. Team, coaches and recruiting. It's so bad now we have to lower the bar to 4-8 being a "successful" season.

CFB programs tend to have a trajectory. So far Sonny is sinking like a rock. Another awful season will seal his fate.

I don't think Dykes gets fired after this season if it goes bad. He'll get another year due to his contract.

I do think Sandy gets fired though. She made the hire and she'll have to deal with it. Judging off of the CCM basketball hiring and how that all went down with SB being denied her first choice from the higher ups, seems like SB is getting more pressure.

Either way, I'll stand with NW being the barometer game. They are beatable. If we can't beat them, we win only 3 gms this year. Defense needs to step up big time

Darby;842317401 said:

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I don't see a mob clamoring to fire Sonny. I see a few people making the case why it would be justified.

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CFB programs tend to have a trajectory. So far Sonny is sinking like a rock. Another awful season will seal his fate.

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Clearly. I firmly believe the AD can come up with $2.25 million buyout after Jan 1, 2014 if Sonny doesn't show substantial progress. I am only speaking to people who are calling for Sonny's head now. Saying it would be "justified" makes no sense to me. In a vacuum, if you didn't care about the future of the program and wanted to punish Sonny for doing a terrible job, then yes it would be "justified". I don't think Sonny deserves a chance to right the ship based on his performance, but based on the realities of the situation we have to give him that chance and as a Cal fan I hope he does something with it. It's silly to ignore all those other factors because those are the ones that drive the decision making.

SonOfCalVa;842317393 said:

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:rollinglaugh:
this thread gets more and more hilarious

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id take a young coordinator over a coach that goes 2-22 or 3-21 in his first two seasons. u have more leverage to make the contract more incentive laden and you get a coach eager to prove themselves. i guess the funny part would be frost went to furd, but he also transferred out of there. probably no love loss. anyways i hope dykes succeeds and but id hope our brass is already thinking of coaches to keep an eye on this year in case this thing goes south. Buh was the scapegoat last year but im still not 100% convinced that sonny wasnt a big time problem.

gobears725;842317490 said:

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id take a young coordinator over a coach that goes 2-22 or 3-21 in his first two seasons. u have more leverage to make the contract more incentive laden and you get a coach eager to prove themselves. i guess the funny part would be frost went to furd, but he also transferred out of there. probably no love loss. anyways i hope dykes succeeds and but id hope our brass is already thinking of coaches to keep an eye on this year in case this thing goes south. Buh was the scapegoat last year but im still not 100% convinced that sonny wasnt a big time problem.

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The 'scapegoat' last year was injuries, team youth, and overall shorty state of team

MiZery;842317501 said:

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The 'scapegoat' last year was injuries, team youth, and overall shorty state of team

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just last year's? I thought there was another thread talking about how young we STILL are. sounds like a long-lasting issue.

gb725, I hope Sandy does in fact create a short list for new hires just in case. the only thing worse than SD sh*ttng the bed again is if we get caught flat-footed without any viable replacements.

Yeah. The coach said we didn't have a lot of 4th and 5th year players and people such as yourself went ape$hit, using it as an excuse to recycle all this old crap.

oski003;842317510 said:

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Yeah. The coach said we didn't have a lot of 4th and 5th year players and people such as yourself went ape$hit, using it as an excuse to recycle all this old crap.

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if you dont want to discuss it, then id recommend not clicking on the thread. otherwise i see no harm in discussing hypothetical situations. like i said i for the most part i like dykes and like tony, but i also acknowledge that the odds are probably stacked against them to get this thing turned around

We are discussing it, and my opinion is that this is a bunch of recycled garbage.

The continued existence of this and the other thread is a poor way to make assertions supporting an agenda that the coach and fans are making excuses.

oski003;842317519 said:

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We are discussing it, and my opinion is that this is a bunch of recycled garbage.

The continued existence of this and the other thread is a poor way to make assertions supporting an agenda that the coach and fans are making excuses.

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my agenda is for Cal to have a respectable program that we can all enjoy. im not interested in changing Cal fan behavior. We're pretty much going to be the same no matter what. I honestly find it very disappointing that we've been so bad lately because Cal has a very loyal fanbase

MiZery;842317501 said:

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The 'scapegoat' last year was injuries, team youth, and overall shorty state of team

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And Shite coaching

GoBears58;842317524 said:

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And Shite coaching

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I thought Sunni was our coach?

:p

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well speaking for " gFR " only .. 4-8 is not an acceptable bar !!!!!!!! should be 6 wins point blank .. any damn bowl ok ... if we find ourselves out of contention and CMS is empty come half through it would be best to move towards another direction ..and if the O is not helping the defense get another OC in that worked with one of the successful spread programs

going4roses;842317593 said:

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well speaking for " gFR " only .. 4-8 is not an acceptable bar !!!!!!!! should be 6 wins point blank .. any damn bowl ok ... if we find ourselves out of contention and CMS is empty come half through it would be best to move towards another direction ..and if the O is not helping the defense get another OC in that worked with one of the successful spread programs

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I remember a time when 6 wins was considered a disappointment. That wasn't too long ago. 6 wins now is something that seems so out of reach. How quickly the program has fallen and expectations reset at a much lower bar.

freshfunk;842317611 said:

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I remember a time when 6 wins was considered a disappointment. That wasn't too long ago. 6 wins now is something that seems so out of reach. How quickly the program has fallen and expectations reset at a much lower bar.

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Agreed. It is sad, but I feel I need to accept it for now. That doesn't mean I do not feel 4-5 wins is a step in the right direction.

freshfunk;842317611 said:

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I remember a time when 6 wins was considered a disappointment. That wasn't too long ago. 6 wins now is something that seems so out of reach. How quickly the program has fallen and expectations reset at a much lower bar.

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LOL....you youngsters. I still remember almost vividly Cal winning 6(+1) games in 1990 and going to the Copper bowl to whip them Wyoming Cowboys...we were almost besides ourselves and celebrating hard for our first bowl win since the '38 Rose Bowl...ah, the memories.....