socaliganbear;842326245 said:

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That better have been some good ass weed. Like, epic ****.

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like Darren Thomas / Cliff "we smoked it all" Harris level sh*t??

beeasyed;842326247 said:

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like Darren Thomas / Cliff "we smoked it all" Harris level sh*t??

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Freaking Oregon kids...

5 wins would be a roaring success for this team!

Lee is gone too, right? That's the scholarship that opened up for Greathouse

Also MB, does this mean we might be able to snag some other JC LB/DB before fall camp?

Grrande;842326290 said:

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Lee is gone too, right? That's the scholarship that opened up for Greathouse

Also MB, does this mean we might be able to snag some other JC LB/DB before fall camp?

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someone just posted about the 2014 CSM LB we offered, James Kearney. did he ever officially sign on?

beeasyed;842326247 said:

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like Darren Thomas / Cliff "we smoked it all" Harris level sh*t??

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Better.

MoragaBear;842326308 said:

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Jake Kearney's been offered and will be a part of the team in 2014 as long as he finishes his three classes at CCSM this summer. He's an OLB that his coach said can also play MLB.

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I like this kid. Seems like he understands angles and gap assignments well.

If its weed that fvckin bs man, how the hell did maynard not get busted then jfc

Davidson;842326328 said:

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If its weed that fvckin bs man, how the hell did maynard not get busted then jfc

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You can take the boy out of Oregon but you can't take Oregon out of the boy.

Davidson;842326328 said:

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If its weed that fvckin bs man, how the hell did maynard not get busted then jfc

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this is part of the culture that im sure theyre trying to address actually. family member played another sport right at the end of the JT era. he said that it was rampant on the football team and that the football players were lazy and high all the time...

most of the time these tests arent random and the players know what time of the year they come. if theyre getting caught its because they cant control it and actually probably need some help getting off of it

gobears725;842326333 said:

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this is part of the culture that im sure theyre trying to address actually. family member played another sport right at the end of the JT era. he said that it was rampant on the football team and that the football players were lazy and high all the time...

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How does Oregon do it? Just Do It?

NYCGOBEARS;842326334 said:

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How does Oregon do it? Just Do It?

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well in their case, they dont have to worry so much about the academics though. i dont see it as hurting the football side of it so much, but the academics it can, things just like going to class and stuff.

KoreAmBear;842326198 said:

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Friggin A. Good news is hard to come by with this program.

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Just takes time to culturally change things. Good things will happen.

One thing I do appreciate about our coaches, in addition to all the changes they are incorporating, is that they have been all in as Cal coaches from the beginning: they are proud of where they are, they constantly sell the University and the program, despite what occurred last year. They are a really positive bunch.

manus;842326342 said:

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Just takes time to culturally change things. Good things will happen.

One thing I do appreciate about our coaches, in addition to all the changes they are incorporating, is that they have been all in as Cal coaches from the beginning: they are proud of where they are, they constantly sell the University and the program, despite what occurred last year. They are a really positive bunch.

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Imagine if he had these results and the head coach took the Monty approach of self deprecation and even some reluctance. Monty at least had some results (decent to fantastic) which gave him the cachet to be like that.

It could be the language requirement, etc. UC has specific requirements.

MoragaBear;842326308 said:

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Jake Kearney's been offered and will be a part of the team in 2014 as long as he finishes his three classes at CCSM this summer. He's an OLB that his coach said can also play MLB.

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So, which staff member is assigned to roust this guy out of bed every morning and drag his butt to classes??

:sarc: :sarc:

well looks like they had a couple back up plans for Atoe and Leniu. Staff actually seems on it. i take back what i said about the losses since they had some plan B's.

gobears725;842326364 said:

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well looks like they had a couple back up plans for Atoe and Leniu. Staff actually seems on it. i take back what i said about the losses since they had some plan B's.

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it's great that they have Plan B's but it would mean the staff knew a long time ago Leniu and Atoe may not make it. in which case all of the "how would the staff know if these kids don't do their work or be prepared??" seem that much more ridiculous lol

competent staffs need to be aware of these events and plan accordingly, and it looks like this staff did just that.

beeasyed;842326367 said:

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it's great that they have Plan B's but it would mean the staff knew a long time ago Leniu and Atoe may not make it. in which case all of the "how would the staff know if these kids don't do their work or be prepared??" seem that much more ridiculous lol

competent staffs need to be aware of these events and plan accordingly, and it looks like this staff did just that.

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"how would the staff know if these kids don't do their work" and "they have Plan B" are NOT mutually exclusive. in fact, it is quite logical. it is precisely that the staff doesn't know for sure the "at risk" kids will complete their last classes, so they have Plan B in place. to claim otherwise is ridiculous lol.

ommy48;842326188 said:

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According to my friend the team is better overall than last year but they are still so young that even though they will compete better, he doesn't see them winning more than 4-5 games. That isn't to say they won't try to do better, but the players themselves know how hard the Pac 12 has become year in and year out to compete in (and to regularly win games in). Let's see what unfolds after Fall camp though, any more injuries would be devastating.

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Does not bode well that the players think they can only win 4-5.

MoragaBear;842326439 said:

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Most of the players I talked to in spring were a lot more confident than that.

Guys that aren't tell the media, we'll see what happens. We'll give it our best. Most are a lot more confident about turning it around.

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I don't doubt that that is true, however the reason I disclose that remark is because this player is one of our best players on one side of the ball and he has been through all the upheaval of the past 3 years and seen a lot. He is a really bright and realistic guy who pretty much anticipated a lot of what occurred for the past two-three years both on and off the field. So I take his opinion more seriously than that of other players (many of whom I also know personally). His take after spring camp in particular was not pretty, but he also acknowledged that this was just the growing pains of going through a complete transition. He is adamant that we needed to purge our program of a number of bad characters and habits and that he was looking forward to playing with a team that all want to be here and part of the revival.

However, with that being said he is an extremely bright kid on and off the field (who will be drafted and playing in the NFL in the not too distant future), and he is not one that gets caught up in hype or hyperbole. As such, I thought it would be worthwhile to disclose what one of the level headed leaders of the team thought about our current status as a program.

Nevertheless, there is no doubt that they will be fighting to win every game this year and that no one will be satisfied with only winning 4-5 games. It's just a realistic outlook at this point in time, compared to where we were at last season.

your source that you reference ... offense or defense ... no need to really answer but just wondering

perhaps offense side of ball??

on to the next thing who the HELL is still on team that is not 100? not expecting answers

wish they would just quit/transfer to schools closer to home or whatever ...

your inside take is basically to some extent all guys are not buying in ... still not playing as one .. hmm k so if said if player was on offense , is it a scheme causing issues they mostly were recruited to run a pro style offense to prepare them for the NFL ...

if that is not the case gotta put that on that on the responsible heads first sandy(your football team ran pro sets) and sonny ( you and tony run spread variation )... add in apr numbers this guy leaving that guy leaving or other guy getting nudged out 9

is this a coach/ staff or a player issue combination ... can it be fixed or its it all up to next coaching staff

no matter what the star / accolades of player / recruit ... CAL needs young men that bleed blue and gold

wonder if another HC with NFL/CAL ties would have fared better through transition

Why should they think any more highly of their chances than most of their fans do? 4 wins is probably double the best that most of us would predict. Last year's historically bad experience was a reflection not just of a coaching transition but of a seriously undermanned squad that has suffered significant attrition. We'll have to average 40 points a game to get 4 wins and even that might not do it.

ommy48;842326464 said:

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I don't doubt that that is true, however the reason I disclose that remark is because this player is one of our best players on one side of the ball and he has been through all the upheaval of the past 3 years and seen a lot. He is a really bright and realistic guy who pretty much anticipated a lot of what occurred for the past two-three years both on and off the field. So I take his opinion more seriously than that of other players (many of whom I also know personally). His take after spring camp in particular was not pretty, but he also acknowledged that this was just the growing pains of going through a complete transition. He is adamant that we needed to purge our program of a number of bad characters and habits and that he was looking forward to playing with a team that all want to be here and part of the revival.

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Thanks for bringing this up. There are some here that blame the staff for the mass exodus or have problem with the housecleaning argument. Seems like even the players think a purge was necessary for the program to move forward.

going4roses;842326480 said:

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.... wonder if another HC with NFL/CAL ties would have fared better through transition

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to your last point ... a guy who bled blue/gold :cheer,
with great Cal, CFL, NFL credentials :cheer
was brought in to replace Theder .... :woohoo
The Bear will NOT Quit, The Bear will NOT die

but then the bear quit and died, just like it later did under teddy the non-bear

BUT maybe you'd like to see Joe Kapp come back as HC ...

and Kapp beat Wiggin who furd brought in for furd/NFL connection, then fired before Kapp got fired by Cal.

Eeyore;842326491 said:

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Thanks for bringing this up. There are some here that blame the staff for the mass exodus or have problem with the housecleaning argument. Seems like even the players think a purge was necessary for the program to move forward.

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nice strawman.

nobody said there was no need for certain players to move on, and i sincereley doubt ommy's guy is saying most of the guys who left were necessary "housecleaning".

someone newer / younger ? times have change a bit from when kapp coached at CAL

beeasyed;842326367 said:

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it's great that they have Plan B's but it would mean the staff knew a long time ago Leniu and Atoe may not make it. in which case all of the "how would the staff know if these kids don't do their work or be prepared??" seem that much more ridiculous lol

competent staffs need to be aware of these events and plan accordingly, and it looks like this staff did just that.

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My issue on this thread is not with the staff, but with posters who will reflexively invent whatever explanation they think suits the staff. The original post was challenging the hypocrisy of Cal on the issue of taking academic risks and then we lose two key recruits to academics. The response was that these guys were NOT academic risks, they just didn't take enough or the right classes. As I said above - the staff can't take tests for them, so if we lose a couple of guys because they blow it in the classroom, I don't see that as a staff issue. But if we lose a couple of guys who are good students because somehow they don't take enough or the right classes, that is on the staff.

Once it became clear that they were making the staff look worse, we change the explanation back to the guys being academic risks that just didn't cut it in the classroom, and the staff did a great job in having backup plans. Which brings us right back to the original post in the thread.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't have a problem with the staff taking a few guys who still have work to do in the classroom as long as they are confident that the guys will get that work done. And I accept that in doing that there will be guys who DON'T get that work done and don't make it in. So with the final explanaton, I have no problem with the staff. (though I have to say, as it is obvious that some people will just throw out any BS explanation they think sounds good with no backup, there are only certain sources of explanation I remotely trust)

But the original poster's point on hypocrisy still stands. As I said in another post, we can find ways to blame Tedford for taking recruits who are academic risks when guys who he recruited succeed in getting into the school and succeed in passing their classes during his tenure, but leave a full year after Tedford has left, with rumors (who knows if true or not) that academics was the reason. But when current staff takes an academic risk that doesn't even get into the school, it isn't the current staff's fault. Pick your position and stick with it.

I don't really care that people are blaming Tedford. HE IS IRRELEVANT. Blame Tedford. Obama. Bush. Bob Bockrath. Tom Holmoe. Barsky. Telegraph Ave. The homeless. Wilner. The political turmoil of the sixties. Whatever. It is all the same. We have people on the payroll whose job it is to deliver success. They are throughout the athletic department. They are in the football offices. As long as Cal fans want to continue to blame people and forces who are not tasked with delivering success while excusing those who are, enjoy the failure.

Eeyore;842326491 said:

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Thanks for bringing this up.

There are some here that blame the staff..


Yes and deservedly so..

OaktownBear;842326505 said:

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My issue on this thread is not with the staff, but with posters who will reflexively invent whatever explanation they think suits the staff. The original post was challenging the hypocrisy of Cal on the issue of taking academic risks and then we lose two key recruits to academics. The response was that these guys were NOT academic risks, they just didn't take enough or the right classes. As I said above - the staff can't take tests for them, so if we lose a couple of guys because they blow it in the classroom, I don't see that as a staff issue. But if we lose a couple of guys who are good students because somehow they don't take enough or the right classes, that is on the staff.

Once it became clear that they were making the staff look worse, we change the explanation back to the guys being academic risks that just didn't cut it in the classroom, and the staff did a great job in having backup plans. Which brings us right back to the original post in the thread.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't have a problem with the staff taking a few guys who still have work to do in the classroom as long as they are confident that the guys will get that work done. And I accept that in doing that there will be guys who DON'T get that work done and don't make it in. So with the final explanaton, I have no problem with the staff. (though I have to say, as it is obvious that some people will just throw out any BS explanation they think sounds good with no backup, there are only certain sources of explanation I remotely trust)

But the original poster's point on hypocrisy still stands. As I said in another post, we can find ways to blame Tedford for taking recruits who are academic risks when guys who he recruited succeed in getting into the school and succeed in passing their classes during his tenure, but leave a full year after Tedford has left, with rumors (who knows if true or not) that academics was the reason. But when current staff takes an academic risk that doesn't even get into the school, it isn't the current staff's fault. Pick your position and stick with it.

I don't really care that people are blaming Tedford. HE IS IRRELEVANT. Blame Tedford. Obama. Bush. Bob Bockrath. Tom Holmoe. Barsky. Telegraph Ave. The homeless. Wilner. The political turmoil of the sixties. Whatever. It is all the same. We have people on the payroll whose job it is to deliver success. They are throughout the athletic department. They are in the football offices. As long as Cal fans want to continue to blame people and forces who are not tasked with delivering success while excusing those who are, enjoy the failure.

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Solid post, OB.

OaktownBear;842326505 said:

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My issue on this thread is not with the staff, but with posters who will reflexively invent whatever explanation they think suits the staff. The original post was challenging the hypocrisy of Cal on the issue of taking academic risks and then we lose two key recruits to academics. The response was that these guys were NOT academic risks, they just didn't take enough or the right classes. As I said above - the staff can't take tests for them, so if we lose a couple of guys because they blow it in the classroom, I don't see that as a staff issue. But if we lose a couple of guys who are good students because somehow they don't take enough or the right classes, that is on the staff.

Once it became clear that they were making the staff look worse, we change the explanation back to the guys being academic risks that just didn't cut it in the classroom, and the staff did a great job in having backup plans. Which brings us right back to the original post in the thread.

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bingo. this board needs to have an upvote feature lol

make up your minds: either the staff didn't know about Leniu/Atoe bc "that's not their jobs / they don't take tests for them", or they did know and had these contingencies lined up. can't have it both ways.

OB - while I agree with much of what you said, you seem to be ignoring the fact that Tedford was in fact fired in large part because of the academic failings of his recruits. If the guys he recruited had succeeded in passing classes during his tenure he might still be our coach. There were 20+ kids on academic probation when Tedford left. Sonny and his staff were able to get those same kids back into good standing and I think that the guys who reportedly left because they weren't going to be able to stay eligible (because they ran out of lower division classes to take or whatever) did leave in good standing which is more than you can say for the early entrants who left on Tedford's watch.

The story with Leniu and Atoe is obviously much different and bears little if anything to do with Tedford other than the fact that it's largely his fault our program is so depleted now. I agree as well that we have way too many people here reflexively responding to negative news, whether to defend the coach or attack the coach in each case without having the benefit of all of the material information. You seem to be targeting the reflexive defenders without acknowledging we have our fair share of reflexive attackers.

OaktownBear;842326505 said:

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I don't really care that people are blaming Tedford. HE IS IRRELEVANT. Blame Tedford. Obama. Bush. Bob Bockrath. Tom Holmoe. Barsky. Telegraph Ave. The homeless. Wilner. The political turmoil of the sixties. Whatever. It is all the same. ...

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good :chainsaw list

BUT, omg .... you left out Buh