Another mass shooting incident. This one in San Bernardino at a Center for developmentally disabled. 3 shooters, "at least 14 dead and 20+ injured."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Why do you hate America?

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UrsaMajor;842607743 said:

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Another mass shooting incident. This one in San Bernardino at a Center for developmentally disabled. 3 shooters, "at least 14 dead and 20+ injured."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-regionion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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This is such a sad situation.
I was going to make some lame joke about putting reasonable limits on our right to bear arms. But each time i tried I could not bring myself to actually post what I had typed. No way could I make light of the situation (however well intentioned). Shooting people who were or were helping the developmentally disabled.
It is just so sad.

68great;842607752 said:

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This is such a sad situation.
I was going to make some lame joke about putting reasonable limits on our right to bear arms. But each time i tried I could not bring myself to actually post what I had typed. No way could I make light of the situation (however well intentioned). Shooting people who were or were helping the developmentally disabled.
It is just so sad.

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Unfortunately, a soft target...

Black Friday, a record was set for gun purchases.

NVGolfingBear;842607756 said:

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Unfortunately, a soft target...

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Let's just arm everybody with AK47's and then this won't happen. Mandatory heavy arms training in elementary schools should do it. With much love from your local NRA.

Here is the saddest part: after each of these terror incidents, gun sales spike. Looks like we're in a closed loop death spiral. Yup, bad sh*t keeps happening and right after that bad sh*t happens again, people go load up on the bad sh*t. Crazy and really, really sad.

No it won't end until something beyond comprehension happens but if we're so desensitized to this stuff. One would think that Sandy Hook with all those young children killed in cold blood was that incident but it wasn't.

beelzebear;842607766 said:

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Here is the saddest part: after each of these terror incidents, gun sales spike. Looks like we're in a closed loop death spiral. Yup, bad sh*t keeps happening and right after that bad sh*t happens again, people go load up on the bad sh*t. Crazy and really, really sad.

No it won't end until something beyond comprehension happens but if we're so desensitized to this stuff. One would think that Sandy Hook with all those young children killed in cold blood was that incident but it wasn't.

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Yeah if that didn't change people's minds nothing will. Mass shootings are just part of the US and you'll have learn to live with the risk. If you don't want to, you'll need to move to Canada. The situation will never change.

beelzebear;842607766 said:

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Here is the saddest part: after each of these terror incidents, gun sales spike. Looks like we're in a closed loop death spiral. Yup, bad sh*t keeps happening and right after that bad sh*t happens again, people go load up on the bad sh*t. Crazy and really, really sad.

No it won't end until something beyond comprehension happens but if we're so desensitized to this stuff. One would think that Sandy Hook with all those young children killed in cold blood was that incident but it wasn't.

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It's never going to end with the gun lobby having so much power. All my friends that hunt have never understood this insane infatuation with automatic weapons that the NRA so insanely defends. And these are guys from Montana.

Some kind of terrorism-multiple shooters with automatic weapons. Radical muslims are the obvious "usual suspects" but they don't usually hit and run like this, nor does the target make sense. Maybe, there is more coming.

It's up to the great state of California to come up with a solution.

Syrian refugees!

It's obvious what strategy the NRA and the pro-gun-rights crowd is using: wear down the opposition until they surrender. Their mission statement probably includes something along the lines of "By 2030, the idea of protesting gun rights will be an antiquated novelty". They're hoping we'll get to a point where everyone just shrugs at incidents like these and says, "That's just how it is, it's not like we can get rid of guns, this is America."

They're hoping people who actually believe gun rights can be reduced will dwindle in number over the years, dying of old age (or maybe getting shot by people with guns), and be replaced by apathetic younger generations that just accept loose gun laws as an unchangeable reality.

Man, they just showed a dead body and the aftermath of a shootout from a helicopter.

And -- to put this on a tangential note -- it gave me flashbacks of living in L.A.

MiZery;842607811 said:

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Syrian refugees!

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Yep ... but not.
"... all enemies, foreign and [SIZE=3]domestic[/SIZE]" but the oaths should be changed to include an NRA exclusion.

beelzebear;842607766 said:

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Here is the saddest part: after each of these terror incidents, gun sales spike. Looks like we're in a closed loop death spiral. Yup, bad sh*t keeps happening and right after that bad sh*t happens again, people go load up on the bad sh*t. Crazy and really, really sad.

No it won't end until something beyond comprehension happens but if we're so desensitized to this stuff. One would think that Sandy Hook with all those young children killed in cold blood was that incident but it wasn't.

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Hadn't you heard? Mass shootings will be prevented once everyone has a gun.

sycasey;842607863 said:

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Hadn't you heard? Mass shootings will be prevented once everyone has a gun.

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The theory of mutual assured destruction applies to nation states with nuclear weapons and not to every nut with a gun.

oskirules;842607872 said:

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The theory of mutual assured destruction applies to nation states with nuclear weapons and not to every nut with a gun.

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Calling all nuts who own guns, you know who you are! Please turn them in immediately to your local police department.

Even if the 2nd amendment were abolished today. Taking all the existing guns away would be equivalent to deporting all the illegals. The nuts would really come out of the woodwork. Never gonna happen.

UrsaMajor;842607743 said:

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Another mass shooting incident. This one in San Bernardino at a Center for developmentally disabled. 3 shooters, "at least 14 dead and 20+ injured."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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No it will not end as long as 1) it's easy to acquire arms in this country and 2) the media turns these shooters into celebrities.

California already has stricter gun laws than all the states in the union and even Canada.

Guess who has guns if they're taking away from law abiding citizens? Police and criminals.

Guess who ends up getting hit the most? Innocent citizens who cant defend themselves because they abide the law.

hanky1;842608084 said:

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No it will not end as long as 1) it's easy to acquire arms in this country and 2) the media turns these shooters into celebrities.

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Hanky1.. 'Muslims'... am I right??

This topic doesn't belong on a football board. Go find a cnn.com board to espouse your political views.

Chapman_is_Gone;842608104 said:

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This topic doesn't belong on a football board. Go find a cnn.com board to espouse your political views.

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Whats political about this?

510Bear;842607823 said:

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It's obvious what strategy the NRA and the pro-gun-rights crowd is using: wear down the opposition until they surrender. Their mission statement probably includes something along the lines of "By 2030, the idea of protesting gun rights will be an antiquated novelty". They're hoping we'll get to a point where everyone just shrugs at incidents like these and says, "That's just how it is, it's not like we can get rid of guns, this is America."

They're hoping people who actually believe gun rights can be reduced will dwindle in number over the years, dying of old age (or maybe getting shot by people with guns), and be replaced by apathetic younger generations that just accept loose gun laws as an unchangeable reality.

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They already accomplished this with regard to the Second Amendment and whether it guarantees private right of ownership. That did not used to be so well accepted, legally and otherwise.

I think global warming will stop this crap once and for all.

LarsBear74;842608174 said:

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I think global warming will stop this crap once and for all.

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Now that certain people are linking terrorism to global warming its just a matter of time so I must agree with you and say global warming will end gun violence.

jhbchristopher;842608184 said:

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Now that certain people are linking terrorism to climate change its just a matter of time so I have to agree with you and say global warming will end gun violence.

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Yes, the elites in Paris dining sumptuously and emitting global warming pollutants by the barrel full sent a message to ISIS. At least according to the President...

UrsaMajor;842607743 said:

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Another mass shooting incident. This one in San Bernardino at a Center for developmentally disabled. 3 shooters, "at least 14 dead and 20+ injured."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

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Horrible situation. So sad for San Bernardino and California as a whole.

To answer your question: not until someone decides to do something about it.

Who said this is just an American problem? BTW, a lot of unknowns before we jump to conclusions. Even the number of shooters is not clear yet, or the motive. The last place I would look for accuracy at this point is advance news reports. If you want to see how grossly inaccurate news reports led to false views on a mass shooting incident read Dave Cullen's book on Columbine. You will think twice about ever quoting the NY Times or any other major publication again.

wifeisafurd;842608266 said:

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Who said this is just an American problem? BTW, a lot of unknowns before we jump to conclusions. Even the number of shooters is not clear yet, or the motive. The last place I would look for accuracy at this point is advance news reports. If you want to see how grossly inaccurate news reports led to false views on a mass shooting incident read Dave Cullen's book on Columbine. You will think twice about ever quoting the NY Times or any other major publication again.

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+1

sketchy9;842607773 said:

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Yeah if that didn't change people's minds nothing will. Mass shootings are just part of the US and you'll have learn to live with the risk. If you don't want to, you'll need to move to Canada. The situation will never change.

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Or maybe not. Names like Mark Chahal, Roger Warren, Mark Lepine, Victor Hoffman, etc. mean anything to you? Hint: they are Canadians that shot up places. Our northern cousins are not immune to the problem, though is the frequency of mass killings is far less (so is their population). BTW, while Canada does limit certain types of weapons, its probably on the US side of the equation when it comes to ownership and regulation. You might want to consider moving to China for a country with significant controls on firearms (this from a non-gun owner).

burritos;842607910 said:

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Even if the 2nd amendment were abolished today. Taking all the existing guns away would be equivalent to deporting all the illegals. The nuts would really come out of the woodwork. Never gonna happen.

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Yes but if you limit the number of new gun sales NATIONWIDE eventually the existing guns in operation will be significantly reduced by attrition and gun-buyback programs and confiscation upon arrest of felons carrying guns.

The only reason you need a gun is because of ALL THE GUNS!!!

wifeisafurd;842608266 said:

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Who said this is just an American problem? BTW, a lot of unknowns before we jump to conclusions. Even the number of shooters is not clear yet, or the motive. The last place I would look for accuracy at this point is advance news reports. If you want to see how grossly inaccurate news reports led to false views on a mass shooting incident read Dave Cullen's book on Columbine. You will think twice about ever quoting the NY Times or any other major publication again.

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Obama said that no industralized country has a problem with mass shootings close to the scale of the USA.