OT New Star Wars movie (no spoilers please)

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MoragaBear
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I go to movies to be entertained, not to make lemons out of lemonade. And I was very entertained. Really have no problem with heavily borrowing from the themes of the original film in the series, either and I think that's something most of the fans loved to see taking a look at the reactions out there.

Would love to see them break new ground with the next one, which is actually due in May 2017 rather than December 2016, as was originally talked about.
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MoragaBear;842619655 said:

I go to movies to be entertained, not to make lemons out of lemonade. And I was very entertained. Really have no problem with heavily borrowing from the themes of the original film in the series, either and I think that's something most of the fans loved to see taking a look at the reactions out there.

Would love to see them break new ground with the next one, which is actually due in May 2017 rather than December 2016, as was originally talked about.


Rogue 1 is next year right?
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Yes.
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okaydo;842619544 said:

Yes, they said this is a reboot of the franchise.

This is, I believe, the first of five straight Decembers with a Star Wars movie or a Star Wars standalone movie.

That's why they started from scratch with a film that was essentially a remake of the first film, or an homage, that would bring the franchise into modern times. One for all kinds of people, newbies and veterans.

I bet that if they started with a truly original "continuation" type story, there would be much, much, much more griping, even if it was really, really good.

This way, they could save those original "continuation" type stories for the other films. And everybody, newbies and veterans alike, will be watching.


By the way, the director of Episode IX grew up near the Grand Lake Theater in Oakland,


Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the movie. I was with my kids and as much as I wanted them to get into the prequels, they really didn't. I didn't that much either but I did enjoy the movie. I don't think this is a reboot of the actual series as nothing has really been "done over" or retcon'd. The film will branch off from the original characters after the third film and then it will carry a completely different arc - away from the original characters. I just thought that there were a lot of unanswered questions which, hopefully, will be answered.
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MoragaBear;842619655 said:

I go to movies to be entertained, not to make lemons out of lemonade. And I was very entertained. Really have no problem with heavily borrowing from the themes of the original film in the series, either and I think that's something most of the fans loved to see taking a look at the reactions out there.

Would love to see them break new ground with the next one, which is actually due in May 2017 rather than December 2016, as was originally talked about.


I wonder if they accelerated the Episode 8 premiere because of the 40th anniversary.

Star Wars was released on May 25, 1977.

Episode 8 will be released on May 26, 2017.

(May has been the traditional Star Wars opening slot.)

Still, it's odd to have less than a year and a half between episodes, instead of the usual 3 years.

I wonder if they're going to burn out the franchise.

I read an article that said that the last Star Wars film won't happen in our lifetime.

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http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/star-wars-the-force-awakens-an-imax-3d-experience/MovieTimes?oid=19583944

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okaydo;842619726 said:

I wonder if they accelerated the Episode 8 premiere because of the 40th anniversary.

Star Wars was released on May 25, 1977.

Episode 8 will be released on May 26, 2017.

(May has been the traditional Star Wars opening slot.)

Still, it's odd to have less than a year and a half between episodes, instead of the usual 3 years.

I wonder if they're going to burn out the franchise.

I read an article that said that the last Star Wars film won't happen in our lifetime.

[video=youtube;bko7amHTAMU][/video]


Maybe they accelerated the Episode 8 opening knowing that those fans like me who at the opening of the original Star Wars at the Coronet on Geary in SF when we were 32 years old are getting old. we would like to live long enough to see the opening of Episode 9 while we are still in good health.
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philly1121;842619482 said:

Blngld: I agree with your review. I think to rehash the Dearh Star concept - yet again - it made me say "is this what this series has come to?" Also - Luke's lightsaber. Lost at Cloud City in ESB. And now found?


SPOILER ALERT: (although I think we've already crossed that bridge in this thread)

That is Anakin's lightsaber. He lost it when Obi Wan kicked his arse at the end of Episode 3.

Obi Wan gave it to Luke in Episode 4.

Luke lost it when his hand was chopped off by Darth Vader (Anakin).

Now they bring it back in Episode 7.....that lightsaber's had more lives than a cat.

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CalGrad95;842620134 said:



That is Anakin's lightsaber. He lost it when Obi Wan kicked his arse at the end of Episode 3.

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I wouldn't say obi wan kicked his ass. He was just lucky to have the "high ground"
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Machete.

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ducky23;842620139 said:

I wouldn't say obi wan kicked his ass. He was just lucky to have the "high ground"


Did you see the MythBusters episode on the "high ground" sword/lightsaber duel. It was pretty entertaining...but they busted that it makes any difference (not hard science though).

I always thought the "high ground" line was really weird. Throughout the battle they ping around this way and that way, up and down, force leaps, etc...and then suddenly Obi is like 5 feet higher and he declares himself the winner? Like their position can't change on a dime? I guess Anakin should have just thrown down his weapon then?
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MoragaBear;842619655 said:

I go to movies to be entertained, not to make lemons out of lemonade.


I get that, and I am glad that you and so many others really liked the film. But I don't get the "I go to be entertained" sentiment. My wife says that all the time too. We can all of course chose whatever criteria we want and experience a book, film, or anything on the terms we chose...but I don't get how "entertained" is used as a sort of antithetical to films that are deemed "artistic" "intellectual" or "boring"---and people who are observing the faults in an "entertaining" movie as being "finicky", "negative" or "making lemonade".

I too go to movies to be entertained (I was first in line at Force Awakens and was as excited as anyone), but I can't be entertained if their are huge plot holes and "we" (the audience) are not filtering the story through a plausible POV (or camera) or moved through a well-structured narrative. This isn't over intellectualizing, it's the visceral, embodied viewing experience I have of being disconnected by poor story telling, poor craft, poor acting, etc. It breaks with our experience of the world when our stories ring false...and then I'm bored...and not entertained. I could go into narrative theory here and how story works on us at the cognitive level, but then you'd think that I am sitting there in the theater watching as an academic when in fact I TRY to fall completely into story without critical faculty. When I start breaking into analysis (my head intruding on the experience) it is a sure sign that there are faults in the craft and that it is losing me.

While I may also have a preference for films that push artistic envelopes (like Birdman as a recent example--I was on the edge of my seat excited through that whole film, just couldn't believe what I was seeing) I also like a well-made commercial film...but it has to be well-made. It doesn't get a pass for exhibiting the tropes of being "entertaining" (the signature moments of a big budget action film we all know). I was unexpectedly surprised by Guardians of the Galaxy as a recent example of a popular film in the action genre that had some bones to it and stayed within genre while not being completely predictable--where as most of the Marvel films the past few years I think are complete formula (AntMan a pleasant exception I thought). The Lord of the Rings trilogy (not the Hobbit) was an "entertaining" series that was also an artistic success. They are not mutually exclusive. A film can be good and entertaining, just like Cal football can be smart AND successful ;-)

More than anything, I don't like seeing the studios getting away with creating pap that is nothing more than a marketing vehicle and thinking that is all they have to do--the public isn't smart enough to notice and box off is big enough justification to keep churning out the crap. Film is culture. I'd like to see the cinema return to a more artistically driven enterprise. There are not as many Godfathers being made today and it's a shame.

Meanwhile, TV audiences are demanding more and more in terms of excellence, authenticity, and originality. There are more and more shows like Sopranos, Breaking Bad, MadMen, Lost, etc. We went from a Golden Age of film to crass commercialism, while TV went from crass commercialism to a Golden Age.

I liked Steven Soderbergh’s speech on the state of the film industry: http://deadline.com/2013/04/steven-soderbergh-state-of-cinema-address-486368/
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blungld;842620163 said:

I get that, and I am glad that you and so many others really liked the film. But I don't get the "I go to be entertained" sentiment. My wife says that all the time too. We can all of course chose whatever criteria we want and experience a book, film, or anything on the terms we chose...but I don't get how "entertained" is used as a sort of antithetical to films that are deemed "artistic" "intellectual" or "boring"---and people who are observing the faults in an "entertaining" movie as being "finicky", "negative" or "making lemonade".

I too go to movies to be entertained (I was first in line at Force Awakens and was as excited as anyone), but I can't be entertained if their are huge plot holes and "we" (the audience) are not filtering the story through a plausible POV (or camera) or moved through a well-structured narrative. This isn't over intellectualizing, it's the visceral, embodied viewing experience I have of being disconnected by poor story telling, poor craft, poor acting, etc. It breaks with our experience of the world when our stories ring false...and then I'm bored...and not entertained. I could go into narrative theory here and how story works on us at the cognitive level, but then you'd think that I am sitting there in the theater watching as an academic when in fact I TRY to fall completely into story without critical faculty. When I start breaking into analysis (my head intruding on the experience) it is a sure sign that there are faults in the craft and that it is losing me.

While I may also have a preference for films that push artistic envelopes (like Birdman as a recent example--I was on the edge of my seat excited through that whole film, just couldn't believe what I was seeing) I also like a well-made commercial film...but it has to be well-made. It doesn't get a pass for exhibiting the tropes of being "entertaining" (the signature moments of a big budget action film we all know). I was unexpectedly surprised by Guardians of the Galaxy as a recent example of a popular film in the action genre that had some bones to it and stayed within genre while not being completely predictable--where as most of the Marvel films the past few years I think are complete formula (AntMan a pleasant exception I thought). The Lord of the Rings trilogy (not the Hobbit) was an "entertaining" series that was also an artistic success. They are not mutually exclusive. A film can be good and entertaining, just like Cal football can be smart AND successful ;-)

More than anything, I don't like seeing the studios getting away with creating pap that is nothing more than a marketing vehicle and thinking that is all they have to do--the public isn't smart enough to notice and box off is big enough justification to keep churning out the crap. Film is culture. I'd like to see the cinema return to a more artistically driven enterprise. There are not as many Godfathers being made today and it's a shame.

Meanwhile, TV audiences are demanding more and more in terms of excellence, authenticity, and originality. There are more and more shows like Sopranos, Breaking Bad, MadMen, Lost, etc. We went from a Golden Age of film to crass commercialism, while TV went from crass commercialism to a Golden Age.

I liked Steven Soderbergh's speech on the state of the film industry: http://deadline.com/2013/04/steven-soderbergh-state-of-cinema-address-486368/

Have you seen Soderberg's show "The Knick"? My favorite show right now. Simply incredible.
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blungld;842620163 said:


Meanwhile, TV audiences are demanding more and more in terms of excellence, authenticity, and originality. There are more and more shows like Sopranos, Breaking Bad, MadMen, Lost, etc. We went from a Golden Age of film to crass commercialism, while TV went from crass commercialism to a Golden Age.


A lot of those shows are/were barely watched.

The more critically acclaimed a show is, the fewer viewers it is likely to have.

A lot of quality shows have proliferated because a lot of places are trying to fill a niche.

NYCGOBEARS;842620173 said:

Have you seen Soderberg's show "The Knick"? My favorite show right now. Simply incredible.


I can't get into bloody stuff.

But I'll probably check out Soderbergh's next new show, The Girlfriend Experience, starring Elvis Presley's granddaughter, which is due out next year.
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okaydo;842620182 said:

A lot of those shows are/were barely watched


Lost, Sopranos, Madmen, Breaking Bad were barely watched? They were the amongst most popular shows on TV and cultural reference points.
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I saw it today and I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Daisy Ridley, who now probably has VIP status at Comic-Con forever.



If she, John Boyega (Finn) and Oscar Isaac (Poe) are the new generation for this franchise, the future looks damn good.
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510Bear;842620776 said:

I saw it today and I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Daisy Ridley, who now probably has VIP status at Comic-Con forever.



If she, John Boyega (Finn) and Oscar Isaac (Poe) are the new generation for this franchise, the future looks damn good.


Yes, I did think Keira Knightly was well cast and did a great job.
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NYCGOBEARS;842620173 said:

Have you seen Soderberg's show "The Knick"? My favorite show right now. Simply incredible.


I haven't. It looks good, but I am violence squirmish too. Breaking Bad was really hard for me to watch, but it was just so well written I couldn't resist.
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blungld;842620218 said:

Lost, Sopranos, Madmen, Breaking Bad were barely watched? They were the amongst most popular shows on TV and cultural reference points.


Breaking Bad averaged less than 2 million viewers during nearly its entire run. For its final seaosn, it averaged 4 1/2 million.

Mad Men, for all the thinkpieces it generated, averaged 2 million in its final season.

Even The Sopranos averaged 8 million for its final season, which would be great broadcast numbers, except that kind of viewership wouldn't justify that extra cost to make such a series.

Those numbers are all pretty good to great -- for cable, for a niche audience.

But in the grand scheme of things, yes, they were barely watched.
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blungld;842620778 said:

Yes, I did think Keira Knightly was well cast and did a great job.


Denzel Washington was awesome as Finn too. And BTW, I totally agree with....

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While I may also have a preference for films that push artistic envelopes (like Birdman as a recent example--I was on the edge of my seat excited through that whole film, just couldn't believe what I was seeing) I also like a well-made commercial film...but it has to be well-made. It doesn't get a pass for exhibiting the tropes of being "entertaining" (the signature moments of a big budget action film we all know). I was unexpectedly surprised by Guardians of the Galaxy as a recent example of a popular film in the action genre that had some bones to it and stayed within genre while not being completely predictable--where as most of the Marvel films the past few years I think are complete formula (AntMan a pleasant exception I thought). The Lord of the Rings trilogy (not the Hobbit) was an "entertaining" series that was also an artistic success. They are not mutually exclusive. A film can be good and entertaining, just like Cal football can be smart AND successful ;-)



You see these differences even within the same series sometimes. The first "Hunger Games" was a legitimately good movie, while the later ones were formulaic cash grabs.
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Millennials vs. Boomers
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okaydo;842620182 said:

A lot of those shows are/were barely watched.

The more critically acclaimed a show is, the fewer viewers it is likely to have.

A lot of quality shows have proliferated because a lot of places are trying to fill a niche.



I can't get into bloody stuff.

But I'll probably check out Soderbergh's next new show, The Girlfriend Experience, starring Elvis Presley's granddaughter, which is due out next year.

I'd encourage you to check out The Knick. It is incredible.
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NYCGOBEARS;842620975 said:

I'd encourage you to check out The Knick. It is incredible.


I'm going to check out The Leftovers this vacation. I heard that was incredible. I can't get into bloody horror, demon, zombie shows.

I may see about The Knick.
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My daughter wanted to see the movie again last night for her birthday so for the 2nd time in a week, we all saw it again and still enjoyed it immensely.

There are some things I could nitpick but the only thing that really bugs me is that Kylo Ren always looks like he's on the verge of bursting into tears.

Just don't understand that casting at all.
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MoragaBear;842621035 said:

My daughter wanted to see the movie again last night for her birthday so for the 2nd time in a week, we all saw it again and still enjoyed it immensely.

There are some things I could nitpick but the only thing that really bugs me is that Kylo Ren always looks like he's on the verge of bursting into tears.


Well, as "Emo Kylo Ren" says on Twitter, it's because the wookie used all his Garnier Fructis.
https://twitter.com/KyloR3n
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BearsWiin;842617534 said:

Watched TESB with the family Monday, ROTJ last night. We're ready. Just so we purged our memory of those CGI-spackled bastardization prequel movies, I had the boys watch these yesterday afternoon:







By the end of the third video, my 13-year-old was swearing at Lucas for blowing his Grand Opportunity to tell a great story.

Tickets purchased for Friday at 7. Considering sneaking off tomorrow night to the Aptos Twin after the kids are put to bed.


IMO episodes 2 & 3 get a bum rap because they follow Episode 1 which was so bad. My ranking of the best to worst Star Wars episodes is:
Episode 4 (classic Saturday matinee fare)
Episode 5 (Luke I am your father)
Episode 3 (loved the sword fight in Hell)
Episode 2 (some of the best action scenes)
Episode 3 (ewoks ruined it for me)
Episode 1 (jar jar and bratty kid ruined it)
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GivemTheAxe;842621084 said:

IMO episodes 2 & 3 get a bum rap because they follow Episode 1 which was so bad. My ranking of the best to worst Star Wars episodes is:
Episode 4 (classic Saturday matinee fare)
Episode 5 (Luke I am your father)
Episode 3 (loved the sword fight in Hell)
Episode 2 (some of the best action scenes)
Episode 3 (ewoks ruined it for me)
Episode 1 (jar jar and bratty kid ruined it)


I just had this same conversation with my son. We went: 5, 4, 6, 7, 2, 3, 1
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Maybe we should somehow recruit Daisy Ridley, John Boyega and Oscar Isaac to be Cal's new "celeb" fans (to cancel out Miley Cyrus and Snoop on the USC sideline)

Everyone knows Cal is the good side of the Force and furd is, well......
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510Bear;842621107 said:

Maybe we should somehow recruit Daisy Ridley, John Boyega and Oscar Isaac to be Cal's new "celeb" fans (to cancel out Miley Cyrus and Snoop on the USC sideline)

Everyone knows Cal is the good side of the Force and furd is, well......


Snoop Dogg's son goes to UCLA, right?

Miley long ago broke up with her USC boyfriend, whose dad's signature appears on many Cal alums' diplomas, after he was spotted getting cozy with another girl in a bikini (See photo 1).

Miley's ex was recently spotted going shopping with with Rob Lowe and his son, Johnny Lowe (See Photo 2). Johnny Lowe currently attends a terrible university (See Photo 3.)





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MoragaBear;842621035 said:

My daughter wanted to see the movie again last night for her birthday so for the 2nd time in a week, we all saw it again and still enjoyed it immensely.

There are some things I could nitpick but the only thing that really bugs me is that Kylo Ren always looks like he's on the verge of bursting into tears.

Just don't understand that casting at all.


Anyone forced (heh) by their wife/gf to watch an episode of Girls knows he's like that all the time.

Still don't think he will bother me as much as Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor in BvS.

For my money, best show on tv is Marvel's Daredevil on Netflix.
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CalGrad95;842621123 said:

Anyone forced (heh) by their wife/gf to watch an episode of Girls knows he's like that all the time.

Still don't think he will bother me as much as Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor in BvS.

For my money, best show on tv is Marvel's Daredevil on Netflix.


Best show on tv that no one has seen is hbos Leftovers. Season 1 turned a lot of people off, but season 2 is epic
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MoragaBear;842621035 said:

My daughter wanted to see the movie again last night for her birthday so for the 2nd time in a week, we all saw it again and still enjoyed it immensely.

There are some things I could nitpick but the only thing that really bugs me is that Kylo Ren always looks like he's on the verge of bursting into tears.

Just don't understand that casting at all.



You may know this or maybe not: Emo Kylo Ren was once a U.S. Marine.

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okaydo;842621108 said:

Snoop Dogg's son goes to UCLA, right?

Miley long ago broke up with her USC boyfriend, whose dad's signature appears on many Cal alums' diplomas, after he was spotted getting cozy with another girl in a bikini (See photo 1).

Miley's ex was recently spotted going shopping with with Rob Lowe and his son, Johnny Lowe (See Photo 2). Johnny Lowe currently attends a terrible university (See Photo 3.)


This all means the celeb-fan situation for our in-state Pac-12 rivals is currently in a very fluid state, and it's time for us to make a move.

Also, another tidbit about Adam Driver: besides bening an ex-Marine, he's also a "method actor" and apparently stayed character as Discount Darth Vader on set (wearing the mask too). I wonder what his co-stars thought of that.
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510Bear;842621160 said:

This all means the celeb-fan situation for our in-state Pac-12 rivals is currently in a very fluid state, and it's time for us to make a move.

Also, another tidbit about Adam Driver: besides bening an ex-Marine, he's also a "method actor" and apparently stayed character as Discount Darth Vader on set (wearing the mask too). I wonder what his co-stars thought of that.


Nnamdi is married to one of the biggest A-list actressses. It's a shame, though, that they don't like to be photographed in public together. Hopefully, they'll attend a game. We could latch on to her celebrity. She went to a university (GWU?) that I think didn't have a football team.


I listened to him being interviewed by Howard Stern recently. Not a very compelling guy. I wonder how he's going to fare hosting Saturday Night Live in a few weeks.
 
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