Okay, before the plots are leaked by the hackers, let us take a shot:

1) Besides Danny, who ends up riding the dragons, and why?

2) How long before Jon Snow and Danny do the wild thing, or does Mormont beat him to the prize? And Cersei and Euron? Does Littlefinger get to put his little finger (or other small part of his anatomy) where it doesn't belong on Sansa?

3) Who kills Cersei, or does she not die? Actually, who doesn't die this season?

4) What is the story with Uncle Bejen? Azor Ahai?

5) Who does Brienne hook-up with first: Jaime, Tormund, the Hound, a polar bear, or Yara?

6) Who prevails between Danny and Cersie, do they join forces, or both die?

7) Who is Arya's next victim(s)?

Good luck and no waiting until Sunday or hacker releases. Football is coming...

wifeisafurd;842859807 said:

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Okay, before the plots are leaked by the hackers, let us take a shot:

1) Besides Danny, who ends up riding the dragons, and why?

2) How long before Jon Snow and Danny do the wild thing, or does Mormont beat him to the prize? And Cersei and Euron? Does Littlefinger get to put his little finger (or other small part of his anatomy) where it doesn't belong on Sansa?

3) Who kills Cersei, or does she not die? Actually, who doesn't die this season?

4) What is the story with Uncle Bejen? Azor Ahai?

5) Who does Brienne hook-up with first: Jaime, Tormund, the Hound, a polar bear, or Yara?

6) Who prevails between Danny and Cersie, do they join forces, or both die?

7) Who is Arya's next victim(s)?

Good luck and no waiting until Sunday or hacker releases.

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I thought the hackers only obtained this week's episode?

That episode was posted a week ago in 360P format.

(Cal alum) Patrick Redford of Deadspin downloaded the episode and summarized it with spoiler warnings. I read the summary last week thinking he was totally making it up, but I wasn't totally reading closely, so I was caught by surprise by this week's episode.

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/heres-everything-that-happens-in-the-leaked-episode-of-1797544478


Anyways, here's Aaron Rodgers' thoughts on this week's episode (he waited 24 hours to watch, and smartly avoided social media).

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/8/9/16116928/aaron-rodgers-game-of-thrones-theories-green-bay-packers

okaydo;842859808 said:

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I thought the hackers only obtained this week's episode?

That episode was posted a week ago in 360P format.

(Cal alum) Patrick Redford of Deadspin downloaded the episode and summarized it with spoiler warnings. I read the summary last week thinking he was totally making it up, but I wasn't totally reading closely, so I was caught by surprise by this week's episode.

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/heres-everything-that-happens-in-the-leaked-episode-of-1797544478


Anyways, here's Aaron Rodgers' thoughts on this week's episode (he waited 24 hours to watch, and smartly avoided social media).

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/8/9/16116928/aaron-rodgers-game-of-thrones-theories-green-bay-packers

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Apparently they got the entire season and are ransoming HBO.

From the NYT:

Hackers of US television network HBO have released personal phone numbers of Game of Thrones actors, emails and scripts in the latest dump of data stolen from the company, and are demanding a multimillion-dollar ransom to prevent the release of whole TV shows and further emails.

In a five-minute video letter from somebody calling themselves "Mr Smith" to HBO chief executive Richard Plepler, the hackers told the company to pay within three days or they would put online the HBO shows and confidential corporate data they claim to have stolen.

The hackers claim to have taken 1.5TB of data the equivalent to several TV series box sets or millions of documents but HBO said that it doesn't believe its email system as a whole has been compromised, although it did acknowledge the theft of "proprietary information".


Sign up to the Media Briefing: news for the news-makers

HBO said it is continuing to investigate and is working with police and cybersecurity experts."

wifeisafurd;842859807 said:

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Okay, before the plots are leaked by the hackers, let us take a shot:

1) Besides Danny, who ends up riding the dragons, and why?

Jon and Tyrion

2) How long before Jon Snow and Danny do the wild thing, or does Mormont beat him to the prize? And Cersei and Euron? Does Littlefinger get to put his little finger (or other small part of his anatomy) where it doesn't belong on Sansa?

Mormont will never bed Danerys. Euron will never marry Cersei. Littlefinger will never get with Sansa.

3) Who kills Cersei, or does she not die? Actually, who doesn't die this season?

Cersei will die at the very end of the story, killed by Jaime (technically her younger brother so it fits the prophecy) when he realizes she's done something unforgivable, to be determined. King/Queenslayer Redux.

4) What is the story with Uncle Bejen? Azor Ahai?

Uncle BenJen was saved from being a wight by the Children of the Forest, who put dragonglass into his heart to save him from dying. He is not Azor Ahai returned. My best guess is that Jon Snow comes the closest to fulfilling the prophecy, despite the lack of restoring dragons from stone since he's a sword wielder (Dany isn't) and he's the one who has been the most committed to stopping the Night King

5) Who does Brienne hook-up with first: Jaime, Tormund, the Hound, a polar bear, or Yara?

In a torrid love scene, Brienne will mount The Mountain and give birth to ten foot tall boys

6) Who prevails between Danny and Cersie, do they join forces, or both die?

Dany

7) Who is Arya's next victim(s)?

Littlefinger

Good luck and no waiting until Sunday or hacker releases. Football is coming...

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It is known

BearNecessities;842859819 said:

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It is known

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Re number 1, does this mean both Jon and Tyrion have Targaryan blood, which is required to ride dragons? Clearly, the show has hinted that Snow may, though the Targaryans are blond, suggesting maybe Mormont. Is there a question about Tyrion's lineage as a Lannister?

Yes...and note, the birth of all three resulted in the death of their mothers.

yeah. tyrion could be from a dalliance between Tywin's wife and Rhaegar. Rhaegar got around

edit: correction Aerys the mad king

wifeisafurd;842859884 said:

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Re number 1, does this mean both Jon and Tyrion have Targaryan blood, which is required to ride dragons? Clearly, the show has hinted that Snow may, though the Targaryans are blond, suggesting maybe Mormont. Is there a question about Tyrion's lineage as a Lannister?

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There is a theory, mostly from book readers, that Tywin is not actually Tyrion's father, but rather Aerys II Targaryen, who was the Mad King against whom Robert Baratheon rebelled 20 years ago or so and who was also the father or Dany and her now deceased older brothers Viserys and Rhaegar (who Robert had killed in battle).

Not sure I agree with the theory but some justifications:
- From the books it's clear from Tyrion's internal monologue at times that he is fascinated with dragons. He also dreams of seeing his father burn (he is a much grayer character in the books).
- Book Tyrion has mismatched eyes, like some past Targaryen bastards.
- Tywin's dying line to Tyrion in the books is "you are not my son." Though he could just be saying that since Tyrion just shot him with a crossbow.
- Tyrion's mother, Tywin's wife Joanna Lannister, died giving birth to him, same as Dany's mother and if you believe Rhaegar + Lyanna Stark = Jon then same as Jon's mother. Not that all mothers to Targaryens die in childbirth of course.
- And in the books, it is recounted that Aerys Targaryen, the Mad King but "a charmer" prior to him going completely batshit, was hot for Tywin's wife Joanna Lannister and apparently went way over the line (as kings will do). No wonder Tywin double-crossed Aerys when he showed up at the gates of King's Landing at the end of Robert's rebellion, effectively ending any chance the Targaryens had.

All that being said, I'm still a little doubtful. And of course the books and the show are so different that they could even have different answers to this question.

moonpod;842859888 said:

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yeah. tyrion could be from a dalliance between Tywin's wife and Rhaegar. Rhaegar got around

edit: correction Aerys the mad king

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Yep, Rhaegar by all accounts was a stand-up guy that everyone admired (well except Robert Baratheon). Other than Rhaegar's wife, Elia Martell of Dorne (Oberyn's sister) the only woman Rhaegar got around with was Lyanna Stark, who was promised to Robert Baratheon. Robert called it kidnap and rape. But every indication was that it was consensual.

His (and Dany's) dad on the other hand... not so good.

wifeisafurd;842859884 said:

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Re number 1, does this mean both Jon and Tyrion have Targaryan blood, which is required to ride dragons? Clearly, the show has hinted that Snow may, though the Targaryans are blond, suggesting maybe Mormont. Is there a question about Tyrion's lineage as a Lannister?

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During on of Tywin's many scathing rants at Tyrion he says,

"Men’s laws give you the right to bear my name and display my colors, since I cannot prove that you are not mine. To teach me humility, the gods have condemned me to watch you waddle about wearing that proud lion that was my father’s sigil and his father’s before him. But neither gods nor men shall compel me to turn Casterly Rock into your whorehouse."

This seems to hint that Tywin suspects that Tyrion has another father.

The books say that the Mad King was infatuated with Joanna Lannister and drunkenly joked that it was a pity that the tradition of first night, which allowed the king to sleep with new brides, was banned. Additionally from the books, Ser Barristan Selmy also seemed to corroborate that Aerys took unwanted liberties with Joanna during her bedding ceremony.

Tyrion besides being a dwarf also does not look like a Lannister. In the books, Tyrion’s hair color is described as a mixture of pale blond hair that’s almost white. Targaryans are known for their silver hair. Contrast this to Jamie and Cersei who have that classic Lannister blonde hair. Joanna and Tywin were first cousins so the genetic variation in their DNA to produce Tyrion seems unlikely (though possible).

When speaking with Jon Snow, Tyrion shares:
"When I was your age, I used to dream of having a dragon of my own. Oh, yes. Even a stunted, twisted, ugly little boy can look down over the world when he’s seated on a dragon’s back. I used to start fires in the bowels of Casterly Rock and stare at the flames for hours, pretending they were dragon fire. Sometimes I’d imagine my father burning. At other times, my sister. Don’t look at me that way, bastard. I know your secret. You’ve dreamt the same kind of dreams."

The dragons also react to Tyrion in a friendly way when they first meet. Of course Tyrion is there it unchain them so they could have sensed his good intentions but it also could be more.

All of this in gleaned from the following article:
https://winteriscoming.net/2016/05/06/game-of-thrones-theorycrafting-is-tyrion-lannister-actually-a-targaryen/

Love this show!

Football is coming!

Go Bears!!

In what season will we see the Wall finally come crashing down?

Season finale this year or early next year?

My bet: season finale this year will be the collapse of the wall with the Night Kings army crossing the rubble - next season is finally dragons vs Night Kings army.

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...The dragons also react to Tyrion in a friendly way when they first meet. Of course Tyrion is there it unchain them so they could have sensed his good intentions but it also could be more....

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In the context of the show, this is the most compelling case for Tyrion eventually riding a dragon (and, by extension, being a Targaryen). The producers went out of their way in Season 6 to give Tyrion this one-on-one scene with the dragons. In its immediate term, the sequence didn't do much to enhance Tyrion's storyline in Mereen. But for GOT, a not-so-insignificant scene like that (dragon + direwolf CGI = $$$) is definitely not throwaway material, and will undoubtedly payoff in some meaningful way down the line.

With the leadership of Dorne and the Reach eliminated, & Randall & Dickon Tarly either roasted or captured, who's left to become Warden of the South? I suppose Samwell Tarly might be next in line :p, but he's a member of the Nightswatch.

Now that Cersei has paid off the Iron Bank, will she take out another loan (which they want), and hire the Golden Company as a mercenary army?

Will anyone with any sanity just say "peace out" and flee to Essos during the Long Night?? I hear the island of Naath has palm trees and butterflies.

BGolden;842859929 said:

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Now that Cersei has paid off the Iron Bank, will she take out another loan (which they want), and hire the Golden Company as a mercenary army?

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The Golden Company is otherwise employed in the books in a storyline that will never be in the show. They've made some pretty bold changes to the book's story (killing off Jojen Reed, Barristan Selmy, having Littlefinger give Sansa to Ramsay instead of having Ramsay marry a fake Arya), but that might veer too strongly from the books to happen.

Plotlines for every episode of Season 7 were spoilered, in detail, last November. There's a link to it in a thread on The Mainboard's ASOIAF page for those who, like me, couldn't wait. I was initially skeptical, but their predictions for the first few S7 episodes were spot on.

As I'm pretty sure I know what's coming the next three weeks, I'll recuse myself from saying anything more.

Except this: Targs are known for their silver hair, but not all have it; some have had dark hair. Wife pointed this out to me as she was studying Targ lineage for background while reading Tales of Dunk and Egg.

OneKeg;842859889 said:

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There is a theory, mostly from book readers, that Tywin is not actually Tyrion's father, but rather Aerys II Targaryen, who was the Mad King against whom Robert Baratheon rebelled 20 years ago or so and who was also the father or Dany and her now deceased older brothers Viserys and Rhaegar (who Robert had killed in battle).

Not sure I agree with the theory but some justifications:
- From the books it's clear from Tyrion's internal monologue at times that he is fascinated with dragons. He also dreams of seeing his father burn (he is a much grayer character in the books).
- Book Tyrion has mismatched eyes, like some past Targaryen bastards.
- Tywin's dying line to Tyrion in the books is "you are not my son." Though he could just be saying that since Tyrion just shot him with a crossbow.
- Tyrion's mother, Tywin's wife Joanna Lannister, died giving birth to him, same as Dany's mother and if you believe Rhaegar + Lyanna Stark = Jon then same as Jon's mother. Not that all mothers to Targaryens die in childbirth of course.
- And in the books, it is recounted that Aerys Targaryen, the Mad King but "a charmer" prior to him going completely batshit, was hot for Tywin's wife Joanna Lannister and apparently went way over the line (as kings will do). No wonder Tywin double-crossed Aerys when he showed up at the gates of King's Landing at the end of Robert's rebellion, effectively ending any chance the Targaryens had.

All that being said, I'm still a little doubtful. And of course the books and the show are so different that they could even have different answers to this question.

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wow great detailed analysis. That is either scary or very impressive.

Let me add one other prediction into the mix. What phrases from GOT will become part of our culture:

a few come to mind off the top of my head:

You know nothing [insert name of boy friend or husband]. And yes, Mrs. Furd has nailed me with this one.
____________ is coming.
A__________ pays his (her) debt.
Shame, shame, shame....
For the watch (got a feeling we will hear more of this one).

wifeisafurd;842859947 said:

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Let me add one other prediction into the mix. What phrases from GOT will become part of our culture:

a few come to mind off the top of my head:

You know nothing [insert name of boy friend or husband]. And yes, Mrs. Furd has nailed me with this one.
____________ is coming.
A__________ pays his (her) debt.
Shame, shame, shame....
For the watch (got a feeling we will hear more of this one).

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The Raptors have heavily used "The Kings in the North!" - and I've seen it used for Pac-12 football, as well.

grandmastapoop;842859948 said:

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The Raptors have heavily used "The Kings in the North!" - and I've seen it used for Pac-12 football, as well.

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I like it.

wifeisafurd;842859947 said:

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Let me add one other prediction into the mix. What phrases from GOT will become part of our culture:

a few come to mind off the top of my head:

You know nothing [insert name of boy friend or husband]. And yes, Mrs. Furd has nailed me with this one.
____________ is coming.
A__________ pays his (her) debt.
Shame, shame, shame....
For the watch (got a feeling we will hear more of this one).

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When you play the game of ____, you win or you die.
That's what I do. I drink and I know things.

wifeisafurd;842859884 said:

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Re number 1, does this mean both Jon and Tyrion have Targaryan blood, which is required to ride dragons? Clearly, the show has hinted that Snow may, though the Targaryans are blond, suggesting maybe Mormont. Is there a question about Tyrion's lineage as a Lannister?

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I think that was pretty much confirmed in one of Bran's visions.

calbear93;842859958 said:

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I think that was pretty much confirmed in one of Bran's visions.

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Bran knows everything. As evidenced by the last two episodes and his conversations with littlefinger, Arya, and Sansa

grandmastapoop;842859948 said:

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The Raptors have heavily used "The Kings in the North!" - and I've seen it used for Pac-12 football, as well.

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I think the Raptors' campaign was "We the North".

Mr. Frumble;842860028 said:

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I think the Raptors' campaign was "We the North".

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You're right that they've more recently had that. But they previously had "Kings in the North":

http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2014/04/14/toronto-raptors-kings-north-atlantic-divisions-champions-tee/

Paul Pierce and the Wizards swept them in the first round, and Pierce mocked them:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2444460-paul-pierce-trolls-toronto-raptors-with-photo-referencing-game-of-thrones

I'm guessing they dropped it after that.

Jon Snow and Daenerys marry, solidify D's claim to throne / unite North and South, take Westeros from Cersei, and then both die fighting White Walkers, in which case the series ends with their newborn baby as the ruler of all Westeros, with Tyrion as de facto ruler?

MoragaBear;842860094 said:

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This is both hilarious and awesome:

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Ok this made me laugh out loud.

"They was all 3-eyed ravens..."

Speaking of Bran, has anyone seen the meme of how Bran greets people and indirectly lets them know he is partly omniscient in the creepiest possible way. In the show, after returning to Winterfell, he tells his sister Sansa something like: "I saw you on your wedding night {not of her volition, with Ramsay Bolton who raped her}. You looked beautiful."

So maybe he can tell his other sister Arya:
"I saw you when you were blinded and obligated to be a street fishmonger. You looked beautiful."
"I saw you when you got stabbed by a faceless woman and your guts were hanging out. Apparently all you needed was soup and a nap to get better. You looked beautiful."
"I saw you when you impersonated an underaged whore so that you could tear out a pedophile's eyes and slash his throat. You looked beautiful."

supposedly lady stoneheart is in the background of the Arya Brienne dual

oski003;842860227 said:

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supposedly lady stoneheart is in the background of the Arya Brienne dual

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You made me google. I SERIOUSLY doubt it. That is just an extra who was told to walk this way to have the background have some life.

Drogon will get jealous of Jon snow's interest in Daenerys and will eat him whole

grandmastapoop;842860117 said:

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You're right that they've more recently had that. But they previously had "Kings in the North":

http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2014/04/14/toronto-raptors-kings-north-atlantic-divisions-champions-tee/

Paul Pierce and the Wizards swept them in the first round, and Pierce mocked them:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2444460-paul-pierce-trolls-toronto-raptors-with-photo-referencing-game-of-thrones

I'm guessing they dropped it after that.

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I don't think Raptors Republic was selling licensed gear. Lots of people, including Paul Pierce, made a connection b/w "We the North" and "Kings in the North" (and GoT in general), but I don't believe "Kings in the North" was ever an official slogan or campaign of the team.

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/leadership/shannon-hosford-mlse-we-the-north/

Well, everything happened at once, but it happened by design. We had a five-year plan as we headed into our 20-year anniversary. Our goal was to put the Toronto Raptors on the map nationally, and in the NBA. We wanted to attract the largest NBA event, the All Star Game, and we wanted to get some sort of global ambassador involved. Timing played a huge part for us; we had agencies come and pitch us in December of 2013. We saw the We The North pitch, and it was instant. What they pitched to us wasn't intended for a consumerit was a 60 second [ad], which is really unheard of, we usually do 30 second [ads], but we wanted it exactly as it was. We were in the playoffs for the first time, so we dropped the ad immediately, before the rebrand had even been introduced.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/basketball/how-the-raptors-redefined-their-brand-and-took-toronto-by-the-throat/article21360335/

It was late 2013, and the Toronto Raptors' director of marketing was watching a pitch from the artistic agency Sid Lee, one that moved him so completely, he wanted to run it back to the Bay Street offices of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd. and show it to colleagues.

The pitch would provide a jumping-off point for a total rebranding timed to the team's 20th-anniversary 2015 season, with new logos and uniforms. This concept of "We The North" could launch the next 20 years of NBA basketball in Toronto. It was a big job, but there was plenty of time to work on it.

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Speaking of Bran, has anyone seen the meme of how Bran greets people and indirectly lets them know he is partly omniscient in the creepiest possible way. In the show, after returning to Winterfell, he tells his sister Sansa something like: "I saw you on your wedding night {not of her volition, with Ramsay Bolton who raped her}. You looked beautiful."

So maybe he can tell his other sister Arya:
"I saw you when you were blinded and obligated to be a street fishmonger. You looked beautiful."
"I saw you when you got stabbed by a faceless woman and your guts were hanging out. Apparently all you needed was soup and a nap to get better. You looked beautiful."
"I saw you when you impersonated an underaged whore so that you could tear out a pedophile's eyes and slash his throat. You looked beautiful."

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My guess is that he can't see Arya in his visions because she is "no one".

-kap

Bran should be put to death. His pompous new age stuff belongs on a PBS fundraiser,

Wow, great ending to latest show. Looked like a bad version of The Expendables (with beards) going into winter. Several turns I didn't see coming. NO Jon, you can't have a pet dragon.