Someone needs to coin the term "Peninsula privilege"metabear said:
Can we request anyone not currently in the East Bay to refrain from an opinion about this?
We're literally dying over here.
Right now 177 according to other sites.metabear said:
For those who like numbers, we're well into the 170's and the hills possibly higher:
http://50.57.200.217/about-air-quality/current-air-quality/air-monitoring-data?DataViewFormat=daily&DataView=aqi&ParameterId=316
Pretty sure the posters from the Peninsula are on your side. You might want to be casting your net a bit further.pingpong2 said:Someone needs to coin the term "Peninsula privilege"metabear said:
Can we request anyone not currently in the East Bay to refrain from an opinion about this?
We're literally dying over here.
And yes, it's night and day. It's not so bad here in the city, but in the east bay it's real bad.
wifeisafurd said:Where did the comment about smog come from. Especially as it pertains to the La Tuna fire. Pasadena has "smog" but the SCAQMD measures what is in the air, including particulate levels, and Pasadena is regularly an non-attainment zone during the day in September for particulates. I can guaranty you in September the air is as bad with respect to specific chemical levels and was worse than Berkley during the La Tuan fire, which was within one mile of the Rose Bowl. Making crap up seems insensitive.OaktownBear said:wifeisafurd said:To make matters worse, it is CARB that comes up with the regs, BAAQMD only does enforcement so there are no bad regulations from BAAQMD. Pesky facts. The readings on campus have been under 80 at 7:30 every night so far. The Chancellor is trying to get a mobile reader at the stadium for precision, but the predictions for tonight at game time are well below 100. In any event, since this is growls, whatever decision is made is wrong and Cal's fault, and all regulators are tools. Let the hysteria continue.OaktownBear said:sycasey said:You have yet to provide even one example of BAAQMD imposing overly onerous regulations, in spite of scientific evidence. I guess we're just supposed to take your word for it?Golden One said:
Yeah, right. Never mind if their regulations are based on sound science or merely emotion and political rhetoric. All regulations are good. I understand your viewpoint, I just strongly disagree with it. To each his own, I guess.
Never mind if his opinions are based on sound science or merely emotion and political rhetoric. All regulations are bad.
Edit: You guys do appreciate that UCLA plays night games in September in Pasadena, where the air during the day exceeds standards regularly, but by night time is just fine. And no one gets hysterical.
1. If the readings are 80 we should play. My issue is with the statement that we would play if it didn't reach 200
2. You are talking about two different readings. Smog is an entirely different measure than particulate matter. You are focused on a number. I guarantee you the normal air in Pasadena is not like it was earlier in the week. Calling people hysterical based on a number on a different measure is pretty insensitive. The air board literally called people to warn them
Furd just sent e mails saying their game is on.pingpong2 said:Someone needs to coin the term "Peninsula privilege"metabear said:
Can we request anyone not currently in the East Bay to refrain from an opinion about this?
We're literally dying over here.
And yes, it's night and day. It's not so bad here in the city, but in the east bay it's real bad.
Why wouldn't it be? The air on the peninsula has been significantly better than in the east bay.wifeisafurd said:Furd just sent e mails saying their game is on.pingpong2 said:Someone needs to coin the term "Peninsula privilege"metabear said:
Can we request anyone not currently in the East Bay to refrain from an opinion about this?
We're literally dying over here.
And yes, it's night and day. It's not so bad here in the city, but in the east bay it's real bad.
Okay, let me be technical. EPA calculates the AQI for five major air pollutants regulated by the Clean Air Act: ground-level ozone, particle pollution (also known as particulate matter), carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and nitrogen dioxid. FWIW, smog usually has more ozone, but otherwise the numbers from fire smoke and smog are pretty close, unless their is an unusual fire source like tires. The engineers can provide more technical answers, but the bad stuff your breathing is relatively the same. If Berkley is showing 172 at game time, I don't think the game goes. Usually though, the AQI plummets during evening hours, which is why UCLA can play summer games in Pasadena for example.Sebastabear said:
Berkeley showing 172 right now. And totally agree with the above. This is not "smog". Even down here (reading at 115) you can tell this is some nasty stuff to breathe. A bad day of car pollution this ain't.
Does this particulate matter accumulate on your car, to the point that you have to dust it off? Because that's what I've found on my car each day this week, and I live in San Francisco.wifeisafurd said:Okay, let me be technical. EPA calculates the AQI for five major air pollutants regulated by the Clean Air Act: ground-level ozone, particle pollution (also known as particulate matter), carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and nitrogen dioxid. FWIW, smog usually has more ozone, but otherwise the numbers from fire smoke and smog are pretty close, unless their is an unusual fire source like tires. The engineers can provide more technical answers, but the bad stuff your breathing is relatively the same. If Berkley is showing 172 at game time, I don't think the game goes. Usually though, the AQI plummets during evening hours, which is why UCLA can play summer games in Pasadena for example.Sebastabear said:
Berkeley showing 172 right now. And totally agree with the above. This is not "smog". Even down here (reading at 115) you can tell this is some nasty stuff to breathe. A bad day of car pollution this ain't.
pingpong2 said:Why wouldn't it be? The air on the peninsula has been significantly better than in the east bay.wifeisafurd said:Furd just sent e mails saying their game is on.pingpong2 said:Someone needs to coin the term "Peninsula privilege"metabear said:
Can we request anyone not currently in the East Bay to refrain from an opinion about this?
We're literally dying over here.
And yes, it's night and day. It's not so bad here in the city, but in the east bay it's real bad.
I'm not sure what the numbers have been, but in person the difference has been pretty dramatic.socaliganbear said:pingpong2 said:Why wouldn't it be? The air on the peninsula has been significantly better than in the east bay.wifeisafurd said:Furd just sent e mails saying their game is on.pingpong2 said:Someone needs to coin the term "Peninsula privilege"metabear said:
Can we request anyone not currently in the East Bay to refrain from an opinion about this?
We're literally dying over here.
And yes, it's night and day. It's not so bad here in the city, but in the east bay it's real bad.
Has it? I've been checking PA and they've been off Berkekey's numbers by like 2 or 3 this week. Looks better today.
Today the peninsula had better air, though on other days this week it seemed like it was just as bad.socaliganbear said:pingpong2 said:Why wouldn't it be? The air on the peninsula has been significantly better than in the east bay.wifeisafurd said:Furd just sent e mails saying their game is on.pingpong2 said:Someone needs to coin the term "Peninsula privilege"metabear said:
Can we request anyone not currently in the East Bay to refrain from an opinion about this?
We're literally dying over here.
And yes, it's night and day. It's not so bad here in the city, but in the east bay it's real bad.
Has it? I've been checking PA and they've been off Berkekey's numbers by like 2 or 3 this week. Looks better today.
Stock photo.socaliganbear said:
Well, if you didn't look at the numbers, this would look pretty good, right?
wifeisafurd said:Okay, let me be technical. EPA calculates the AQI for five major air pollutants regulated by the Clean Air Act: ground-level ozone, particle pollution (also known as particulate matter), carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, and nitrogen dioxid. FWIW, smog usually has more ozone, but otherwise the numbers from fire smoke and smog are pretty close, unless their is an unusual fire source like tires. The engineers can provide more technical answers, but the bad stuff your breathing is relatively the same. If Berkley is showing 172 at game time, I don't think the game goes. Usually though, the AQI plummets during evening hours, which is why UCLA can play summer games in Pasadena for example.Sebastabear said:
Berkeley showing 172 right now. And totally agree with the above. This is not "smog". Even down here (reading at 115) you can tell this is some nasty stuff to breathe. A bad day of car pollution this ain't.
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How many times are you going to misspell "Berkeley" on a Cal board?
Nope, it's not. It's real.metabear said:Stock photo.socaliganbear said:
Well, if you didn't look at the numbers, this would look pretty good, right?
http://static.lawrencehallofscience.org/scienceview/scienceview.berkeley.edu/html/view/index.php?sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwiUz62F_PDMAhVDyRQKHU53D_kQtwIIHjAB&usg=AFQjCNFzr3qigkm4qle0rMQqvd2Zv5vKKg
One thing that pops out in all of this is that an NCAA AQI threshold of 200 is way, way out of wack.OaktownBear said:
The number of days that Pasadena exceeded federal standards for particulates in September of the years 2003-2010 was zero.
No not all the "bad stuff" is the same.
The game will go at 172. Cal has made it clear. Again in their latest release they said the area hasn't exceeded the NCAA guidelines (200) all week.
How many times are you going to misspell "Berkeley" on a Cal board?
ibhoagiesforlife said:
I'm here in Berkeley now and it seems absolutely fine. It'll be getting better by game time. Certainly a haze on the horizon but the conditions in Berkeley itself don't seem bad at all. I'm glad the game wasn't canceled.
OaktownBear said:
The AQI has one measurement for ozone and one measurement for particulates. They are entirely separate. Then they report the higher number. You can see this on the website. It is very rare for the particulate number to be higher because cars don't spew particulates any more and factories are much lower. Absolutely Pasadena has higher ozone.
I'm glad you don't mind that the players were exposed to terrible air quality all week in practice, so much so that they commented on how hard it was to breathe, so that the game could go on. That's cool.ibhoagiesforlife said:
I'm here in Berkeley now and it seems absolutely fine. It'll be getting better by game time. Certainly a haze on the horizon but the conditions in Berkeley itself don't seem bad at all. I'm glad the game wasn't canceled.
JadenceBear said:OaktownBear said:
The AQI has one measurement for ozone and one measurement for particulates. They are entirely separate. Then they report the higher number. You can see this on the website. It is very rare for the particulate number to be higher because cars don't spew particulates any more and factories are much lower. Absolutely Pasadena has higher ozone.
At least in the Bay Area, the bolded statement is not true. Particulate matter AQI often runs higher the ozone AQI (typically in winter) and is part of the reason why "Spare the Air" in winter focus on particulate matter while in the summer it focuses on zone. See http://www.sparetheair.org/make-a-difference/spare-the-air-every-day
socaliganbear said:
https://instagr.am/p/BaNP6yIl_3n
Not quite End Of Days.
Not sure how much I would trust this site. It's showing 152 (unhealthy) for the whole Santa Cruz area (SC through Aptos), which is preposterous. Just spent an hour out on the deck with Mrs. BearsWiin and a glass of wine, and neither of us could even smell smoke. Slight red haze, but absolute blue above us.bearister said:
First time I have seen the AQI numbers bad in Berkeley but good in WC at 5 pm.
https://weather.weatherbug.com/life/air-quality/berkeley-ca-94704
Luckily the air is static and doesn't move at all. Whew, we've dodge a bullet.socaliganbear said:
Yes, I saw that. I also saw that he specifically says it's better at the stadium. Which is where the game is, not off in the distance into the horizon.
Considering the AQ has gotten significantly better every single night, yeah, it's a good thing it's not staticTheFiatLux said:Luckily the air is static and doesn't move at all. Whew, we've dodge a bullet.socaliganbear said:
Yes, I saw that. I also saw that he specifically says it's better at the stadium. Which is where the game is, not off in the distance into the horizon.
