That was a sad day.

Here's a pic.

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I think it was the Right Field wall, but my memory gets fuzzy some times. I do remember the beer glass constantly refilling itself.

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Left field.
RIght field was a city park across the street.
Center field was O'Doul's pub & restaurant across the intersection.

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It was actually behind the 1st base/home plate stands. Here's a photo:

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More of a painting than a photo, but here it is:

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The image is reversed and spot edited. As I recall we entered parallel to the right field line.
McCovey went 4/4 and hit two big triples off the right field wall/stands (16th Street side) in his big league debut -- against the Phillies and future HoF Robin Roberts.
Mac hit #3 in the line-up behind #2 Mays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seals_Stadium

https://www.google.com/search?q=willie+McCovey+first+giants+game+at+seals+stadium&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS3Oug5azeAhXHv1QKHdWlAi0Q_AUIECgD&biw=976&bih=560#imgrc=mDrc0cvMVT_bGM:

https://www.google.com/search?q=willie+McCovey+first+giants+game+at+seals+stadium&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS3Oug5azeAhXHv1QKHdWlAi0Q_AUIECgD&biw=976&bih=560#imgrc=CkVuqjR25qy3NM:

Beer will be beer,
and bar left a long time ago.

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If I remember correctly, one of McCovey's triples hit the lower concrete portion of the right field wall so hard that it rebounded back to the infield. I remember that game!

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Here's a pic.

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Go Beer!

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Here's a pic.

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Second deck, and a bit of parking and the Giants would have been much better off for a long, long time.....Best weather in the City, great ball park, little to no "wind", and fan friendly.....

Beautiful picture. I was born in 59 so I missed this. My wife and I walk down 16th all the time. It's amazing to see what the current shopping center once was.

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Here's a pic.

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Second deck, and a bit of parking and the Giants would have been much better off for a long, long time.....Best weather in the City, great ball park, little to no "wind", and fan friendly.....

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And can you imagine how many more home runs Willie Mays would have hit in his career, had the Giants stayed at Seals Stadium?

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Like you, I listened to the Lone Ranger and the Cisco Kid, along with Sergeant Preston of the Yukon!, and stuff like that.

One of the benefits of living in Smyth Hall (as a freshman) was that you could get KFI from Los Angeles and listen to Vin Sculley doing Dodger games. The only radio announcer I have heard that comes close to Scully is Bill King doing basketball.

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I was on an upper floor at Putnam Hall as a freshman. I had a Heathkit shortwave receiver that I built, and I hung a wire out the window down the side of the building. i listened to AM stations like KFI too, but also could listen to the BBC, Radio Moscow, Radio Japan, Radio Hanoi, and other stations from Europe, Asia and Latin America. My roommate used to sleep a lot and study, so I had to use headphones when I listened to my radio. My dad's cousin was married to a pilot who had flown B-17s over Germany in WWII, and lived to tell about it. He gave me his headphones from the B-17, which I still have.

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Here's a pic.

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Second deck, and a bit of parking and the Giants would have been much better off for a long, long time.....Best weather in the City, great ball park, little to no "wind", and fan friendly.....

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And can you imagine how many more home runs Willie Mays would have hit in his career, had the Giants stayed at Seals Stadium?

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Yes, but Mayor George "Milkman" Christopher and the windy "Bag-man" Charley Harney would have struck out.

The land at Candlestick Point was purchased from Harney, a local contractor/developer who purchased the site in 1952 to mine gravel for roads, bridges and industrial development. Harney made a profit of over $2 million when he sold the land to the City for the stadium . . . AND then he received a no-bid contract to build the stadium. That deal went to a grand jury in 1958.

BTW--This same scam was attempted in the East Bay (by perps not to be named here) when BART was being built. Have you ever heard the slogan "Find a Need and Fill It"?

Henry J Kaiser?

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Second deck, and a bit of parking and the Giants would have been much better off for a long, long time.....Best weather in the City, great ball park, little to no "wind", and fan friendly.....

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And can you imagine how many more home runs Willie Mays would have hit in his career, had the Giants stayed at Seals Stadium?

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Yes, but Mayor George "Milkman" Christopher and the windy "Bag-man" Charley Harney would have struck out.

The land at Candlestick Point was purchased from Harney, a local contractor/developer who purchased the site in 1952 to mine gravel for roads, bridges and industrial development. Harney made a profit of over $2 million when he sold the land to the City for the stadium . . . AND then he received a no-bid contract to build the stadium. That deal went to a grand jury in 1958.

BTW--This same scam was attempted in the East Bay (by perps not to be named here) when BART was being built. Have you ever heard the slogan "Find a Need and Fill It"?

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And Harney was such a ****** that he almost reneged on the deal unless they named the stadium after him! He settled for one access road.

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Here's a pic.

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Having found that pic, I'm moving Seals Stadium in my top 3 "places in SF I wish I'd seen"...bumping Playland at the Beach out of the Top 3. The other 2:

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If I had never been to Winterland I would be much higher functioning than I am today. That God forsaken place train wrecked me.

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Here's a pic.

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Having found that pic, I'm moving Seals Stadium in my top 3 "places in SF I wish I'd seen"...bumping Playland at the Beach out of the Top 3. The other 2:

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If I had never been to Winterland I would be much higher functioning than I am today. That God forsaken place train wrecked me.

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Sure...blame the venue!

You could literally get high deep breathing in there. Among the acts I saw from '72-'76: Steve Miller, Peter Frampton, Elvin Bishop, CSN&Y, War, Dave Mason, Santana, Roxy Music, Neil Young, etc. At Berkeley Community Theater during same time frame: The Dead, Leon Russell, the Kinks, T Bone Walker, Roy Buchanan, Les Paul & Mary Ford, George Benson, Kenny Burrell, Robben Ford, Joe Pass and Shuggie Otis (in 1964 when I was 10 I saw Louis Armstrong there). One of the biggest regrets of my life was passing on The Who and The Clash at the Oakland Coliseum In 1982 to go to a Cal v FUCLA football game. Tim Gorman, two years ahead of me at O'Dowd, played keyboards for The Who's 1982 Tour as well as on the album they released that year,
It's Hard.

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You could literally get high deep breathing in there. Among the acts I saw from '72-'76: Steve Miller, Peter Frampton, Elvin Bishop, CSN&Y, War, Dave Mason, Santana, Roxy Music, Neil Young, etc. At Berkeley Community Theater during same time frame: The Dead, Leon Russell, the Kinks, T Bone Walker, Roy Buchanan, Les Paul & Mary Ford, George Benson, Kenny Burrell, Robben Ford, Joe Pass and Shuggie Otis (in 1964 when I was 10 I saw Louis Armstrong there). One of the biggest regrets of my life was passing on The Who and The Clash at the Oakland Coliseum In 1983 to go to a Cal v FUCLA football game.

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That's quite a list. What I wouldn't give to have been at the Last Waltz concert....

I was at the Who/Clash concert in 1982 (not 83)...it was good, but not all that memorable (IMO)...big stadium concerts rarely are for me.

My favorite 2 Winterland memories: Donovan there and Jimi Hendrix. I remember the "scandal" when Hendrix sang "Purple Haze" and when he got to the line: "excuse me while I kiss the sky (this guy)," he went over and started french kissing the drummer.

Not HJK, but you are correct about the motto . . . otherwise closer.

Near "Full Sack Jacks"?

The Centerville quarries in Fremont, CA. (ownership anon)

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My favorite 2 Winterland memories: Donovan there and Jimi Hendrix. I remember the "scandal" when Hendrix sang "Purple Haze" and when he got to the line: "excuse me while I kiss the sky (this guy)," he went over and started french kissing the drummer.

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Jimi Hendrix was the warm up act for the Monkees. Go figure.

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You could literally get high deep breathing in there. Among the acts I saw from '72-'76: Steve Miller, Peter Frampton, Elvin Bishop, CSN&Y, War, Dave Mason, Santana, Roxy Music, Neil Young, etc. At Berkeley Community Theater during same time frame: The Dead, Leon Russell, the Kinks, T Bone Walker, Roy Buchanan, Les Paul & Mary Ford, George Benson, Kenny Burrell, Robben Ford, Joe Pass and Shuggie Otis (in 1964 when I was 10 I saw Louis Armstrong there). One of the biggest regrets of my life was passing on The Who and The Clash at the Oakland Coliseum In 1982 to go to a Cal v FUCLA football game. Tim Gorman, two years ahead of me at O'Dowd, played keyboards for The Who's 1982 Tour as well as on the album they released that year,
It's Hard.

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Fantastic lists Bearister. I had no idea an O'Dowd alum played at that level and for The Who... Wish I'd seen that tour and many on your list. I wonder why BOD doesn't celebrate Gorman's achievement(s).... they seem to be sharing just about everything else in the e-newsletter I get.... thanks for the share.

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You could literally get high deep breathing in there. Among the acts I saw from '72-'76: Steve Miller, Peter Frampton, Elvin Bishop, CSN&Y, War, Dave Mason, Santana, Roxy Music, Neil Young, etc. At Berkeley Community Theater during same time frame: The Dead, Leon Russell, the Kinks, T Bone Walker, Roy Buchanan, Les Paul & Mary Ford, George Benson, Kenny Burrell, Robben Ford, Joe Pass and Shuggie Otis (in 1964 when I was 10 I saw Louis Armstrong there). One of the biggest regrets of my life was passing on The Who and The Clash at the Oakland Coliseum In 1982 to go to a Cal v FUCLA football game. Tim Gorman, two years ahead of me at O'Dowd, played keyboards for The Who's 1982 Tour as well as on the album they released that year,
It's Hard.

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Fantastic lists Bearister. I had no idea an O'Dowd alum played at that level and for The Who... Wish I'd seen that tour and many on your list. I wonder why BOD doesn't celebrate Gorman's achievement(s).... they seem to be sharing just about everything else in the e-newsletter I get.... thanks for the share.

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Dave Meniketti in my class sold millions of albums with his Heavy Metal band, Y & T (and one year won Best Bay Area Rock Guitarist) and Don Cromwell, two years ahead of me at BO, played bass for the Australian band, Air Supply.

I've been around here since Cyberbears (DOT ORG!!!), and I cannot remember any thread that has wildly meandered on and off topic as this one.

Since we are off topic anyway...

1) We were talking about Spenger's and Berkeley restaurants. I see Juan's is still West Berkeley. Is it still any good?

2) Three places that I've heard has ups & downs in the past decade: Fenton's, Top Dog, & Kip's. Anyone been to any of these lately? Still worth visiting?

I have had a problem with Fentons the last two times I went. Both times I ordered the regular Black and Tan and was served the Jr. charged the regular price. Visits two months apart. Didn't realize it unti I looked at some photos on their site. Very strange. One, ok. Twice, maybe something is going on. Be sure you are aware if you go there. The ice cream on the jr does not escape the dish

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I have had a problem with Fentons the last two times I went. Both times I ordered the regular Black and Tan and was served the Jr. charged the regular price. Visits two months apart. Didn't realize it unti I looked at some photos on their site. Very strange. One, ok. Twice, maybe something is going on. Be sure you are aware if you go there. The ice cream on the jr does not escape the dish

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In an ultimate 3 dimensional chess move, this Starkey thread is now being hijacked by the posting of comments responsive to threads on other boards. Why didn't I think of this? Well played, Mr. Burgundy, well played!

Everett and Jones. Great! Interstingly the stopped serving soda at the Berkeley location in protest of city of Berkeley tax. Water only $1.25 a bottle, though.

Lol. Also, Kips food in 2008 looked like something dropped, stepped on and then served. And this was for chicken wings and fries. Not sure how it is today. I can't comprehend that it was ever a place to enjoy a bite. It constantly smelled the way most bars start smelling around last call. That mix of pee, puke, grease and desperation.

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I've been around here since Cyberbears (DOT ORG!!!), and I cannot remember any thread that has wildly meandered on and off topic as this one.

Since we are off topic anyway...

1) We were talking about Spenger's and Berkeley restaurants. I see Juan's is still West Berkeley. Is it still any good?

2) Three places that I've heard has ups & downs in the past decade: Fenton's, Top Dog, & Kip's. Anyone been to any of these lately? Still worth visiting?

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Juan's went downhill. I was there 4-5 years ago and sadly few things were good. Perhaps they rebounded but I think it's a case of the kids running the shop and just being sort of into it. Maybe something changed.

Top Dog, however, is still Top Dog.

IF ANIMALS COULD TALK, OR AT LEAST COMMUNICATE IN A BASIC, INTELLIGENT MANNER, HOW DO YOU THINK THE WORLD WOULD CHANGE? WOULD YOU STILL EAT MEAT?

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IF ANIMALS COULD TALK, OR AT LEAST COMMUNICATE IN A BASIC, INTELLIGENT MANNER, HOW DO YOU THINK THE WORLD WOULD CHANGE? WOULD YOU STILL EAT MEAT?

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Definitely hijack of the year.

I don't know; what if vegetables could talk?

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IF ANIMALS COULD TALK, OR AT LEAST COMMUNICATE IN A BASIC, INTELLIGENT MANNER, HOW DO YOU THINK THE WORLD WOULD CHANGE? WOULD YOU STILL EAT MEAT?

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Definitely hijack of the year.

I don't know; what if vegetables could talk?

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Would either of them sound like Joe Starkey?

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That's a softball: the vegetable would, except less negative.

One of the early rap songs: