Speaking of Joe Starkey, does anybody know if he's connected to that 70s Tv show Starkey and Hutch?

No no, you are thinking of Hatch. It's a popular chili pepper, especially in New Mexico. In New Mexico the big food choice is always "red" or "green" speaking to the type of chili sauce you prefer. I think we are all green guys around here.

Early rap song by Nobel Prize winner:

Kips use to have great burgers in the 70,s when they had the grill over coals downstairs when a Joe ran it I still remember the woman who grilled the burgers and put the shredded cheddar cheese on them. Great Pizza also. When the Chinese guy bought it, it was over. The burgers now are pretty good but menu very limited and no pizza.

What used to be a restaurant is now a bar thatt serves some food

The cheeseburger I last had at the faculty club was a dead ringer to 70,s Kips.

The biggest mystery is now the wasted, defunct space in downstairs Kips.

Can't blame them for wanting to be a bar to maximize revenue.

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Kips use to have great burgers in the 70,s when they had the grill over coals downstairs when a Joe ran it I still remember the woman who grilled the burgers and put the shredded cheddar cheese on them. Great Pizza also. When the Chinese guy bought it, it was over. The burgers now are pretty good but menu very limited and no pizza.

What used to be a restaurant is now a bar thatt serves some food

The cheeseburger I last had at the faculty club was a dead ringer to 70,s Kips.

The biggest mystery is now the wasted, defunct space in downstairs Kips.

Can't blame them for wanting to be a bar to maximize revenue.

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Is Joe Starkey still announcing Cal FB?

I think he was when this thread started.

I used to see Starkey at Kips but they way he described the burger you would think you were eating a hot dog

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I've been around here since Cyberbears (DOT ORG!!!), and I cannot remember any thread that has wildly meandered on and off topic as this one.

Since we are off topic anyway...

1) We were talking about Spenger's and Berkeley restaurants. I see Juan's is still West Berkeley. Is it still any good?

2) Three places that I've heard has ups & downs in the past decade: Fenton's, Top Dog, & Kip's. Anyone been to any of these lately? Still worth visiting?

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For my money Fentons is still top notch and Juans is, well, Juans!

As is my tradition, I recently took a bunch of undergrads to Juans and all liked it...




Same goes for Fentons last spring...

The Voice of The Greenwave would love to become The Voice of The Golden Bears!

https://www.facebook.com/LarryBarkerPBP

FL. You in the A's hat?

I just watched this video featuring Starkey's voice. I haven't listened to the radio broadcast since 2005, but Starkey clearly brings excitement that the naysayers just don't appreciate.

Hopefully, he'll still be calling games when we mark the 50th anniversary of The Play in 2032.

Nice video, but I'm curious: does Joe know that football players actually have names? I don't think he called anyone's name during that video (even Weaver on the Pick-6).

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Nice video, but I'm curious: does Joe know that football players actually have names? I don't think he called anyone's name during that video (even Weaver on the Pick-6).

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Haaah. Other than Weaver's (which is a horrendous call), the worst might be the Cam Bynum pick. First, Bynum's body is turned so that it should have been very easy for Starkey to see his number. Then, after stalling for a few seconds without giving a name, he finally gives up and just says, "What a play by the Cal defender...."

I mean, come on. What that says to me is he's not doing his homework. He no longer does Niner games. What's the excuse? And where are his spotters?

As I've said many times - Starkey would be fine on TV. He gives you everything you can't see. But for radio he's awful.

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Nice video, but I'm curious: does Joe know that football players actually have names? I don't think he called anyone's name during that video (even Weaver on the Pick-6).

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What?!?!? You got a problem with "He's got a man!" That doesn't paint the mental picture for you? Geez - some people are SOOO demanding...

Me when this thread began:



Me today:

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UrsaMajor said:

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Nice video, but I'm curious: does Joe know that football players actually have names? I don't think he called anyone's name during that video (even Weaver on the Pick-6).

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What?!?!? You got a problem with "He's got a man!" That doesn't paint the mental picture for you? Geez - some people are SOOO demanding...

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Ah, no....Your man has aged out.....Sentimental favorite....Incompetent play by play announcer...Walk away Joe...Don't make Cal do the dirty to you....Your present is in the past.

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Me when this thread began:



Me today:

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I literally laughed out loud on this one!

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/quarterback-ed-luther-of-the-san-diego-chargers-tucks-the-shoulder-picture-id71712608?s=594x594

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Kips use to have great burgers in the 70,s when they had the grill over coals downstairs when a Joe ran it I still remember the woman who grilled the burgers and put the shredded cheddar cheese on them. Great Pizza also. When the Chinese guy bought it, it was over. The burgers now are pretty good but menu very limited and no pizza.

What used to be a restaurant is now a bar thatt serves some food

The cheeseburger I last had at the faculty club was a dead ringer to 70,s Kips.

The biggest mystery is now the wasted, defunct space in downstairs Kips.

Can't blame them for wanting to be a bar to maximize revenue.

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Is Joe Starkey still announcing Cal FB?

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That's what we've been periodically debating.

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Early rap song by Nobel Prize winner:

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Subterranean Home Sick Blues is an actual song, with a melody.

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You could literally get high deep breathing in there. Among the acts I saw from '72-'76: Steve Miller, Peter Frampton, Elvin Bishop, CSN&Y, War, Dave Mason, Santana, Roxy Music, Neil Young, etc. At Berkeley Community Theater during same time frame: The Dead, Leon Russell, the Kinks, T Bone Walker, Roy Buchanan, Les Paul & Mary Ford, George Benson, Kenny Burrell, Robben Ford, Joe Pass and Shuggie Otis (in 1964 when I was 10 I saw Louis Armstrong there). One of the biggest regrets of my life was passing on The Who and The Clash at the Oakland Coliseum In 1982 to go to a Cal v FUCLA football game. Tim Gorman, two years ahead of me at O'Dowd, played keyboards for The Who's 1982 Tour as well as on the album they released that year,
It's Hard.

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Fantastic lists Bearister. I had no idea an O'Dowd alum played at that level and for The Who... Wish I'd seen that tour and many on your list. I wonder why BOD doesn't celebrate Gorman's achievement(s).... they seem to be sharing just about everything else in the e-newsletter I get.... thanks for the share.

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Dave Meniketti in my class sold millions of albums with his Heavy Metal band, Y & T (and one year won Best Bay Area Rock Guitarist) and Don Cromwell, two years ahead of me at BO, played bass for the Australian band, Air Supply.

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I didn't know Meniketti went to BOD... and I was C/O '75... Friend of mine (from Grammar school and BOD) is not the lead singer for Earthquake .... I was never into Y&T but so be it... thanks again..

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I've been around here since Cyberbears (DOT ORG!!!), and I cannot remember any thread that has wildly meandered on and off topic as this one.

Since we are off topic anyway...

1) We were talking about Spenger's and Berkeley restaurants. I see Juan's is still West Berkeley. Is it still any good?

2) Three places that I've heard has ups & downs in the past decade: Fenton's, Top Dog, & Kip's. Anyone been to any of these lately? Still worth visiting?

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JMO but Juan's is still Juan's and I've also been to Fenton's and its been, well Fenton's... Kips I never was wild over.... preferred McNally's and the Kingfish.... I saw someone mention Everett & Jones which Is fine but I preferred Flint's (RIP).... Bar's and BBQ always delivered good times in the Oakland - Berkeley metro.... lots of great food beyond that of course but trying to stay on track here...

Wait, were we talking about some guy named Starkey..??

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SoFlaBear said:

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I've been around here since Cyberbears (DOT ORG!!!), and I cannot remember any thread that has wildly meandered on and off topic as this one.

Since we are off topic anyway...

1) We were talking about Spenger's and Berkeley restaurants. I see Juan's is still West Berkeley. Is it still any good?

2) Three places that I've heard has ups & downs in the past decade: Fenton's, Top Dog, & Kip's. Anyone been to any of these lately? Still worth visiting?

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JMO but Juan's is still Juan's and I've also been to Fenton's and its been, well Fenton's... Kips I never was wild over.... preferred McNally's and the Kingfish.... I saw someone mention Everett & Jones which Is fine but I preferred Flint's (RIP).... Bar's and BBQ always delivered good times in the Oakland - Berkeley metro.... lots of great food beyond that of course but trying to stay on track here...

Wait, were we talking about some guy named Starkey..??

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We were.

Back in the day, there was an Old Blue named Jon Erdelatz. Jon was in Phi Kappa Sigma back in the 50s and lived in Oakland (near-ish to Lake Merit) with his wife Dawn. They knew my folks when they went to Cal and looked after me I went to Cal.

Dawn & Jon gave a huge post-big Game party every year. My roommate Paul and I were way to young for the crowd that was there, but it was free food and free booze and we were college-student broke. It was at their party in - Im 90% sure - '85 that I got to meet Joe Starkey (100% sure). I remember he was in a blue blazer and a Cal tie and I remember saying hello, telling him I was a fan, and that he seemed like a pleasant guy.

Dawn and Jon, and sadly my roommate Paul are gone now. And now I'm one of those Old Blues who is perpetually grumpy about the program - however, unlike Dawn & Jon, I wasnt around for Pappy Waldorf and Pete Newell.

Was Jon Erdelatz a member of Seqouyah CC? If so I knew him and played golf with him a few times in the early 1980's. Big head of curly hair?

I think you are thinking of a different guy. Jon (I've been corrected - John) would have been in his early 50s in the early 80s. He was on the short side and stocky. His hair was thin and receding when I knew him. I can't say yay or nay on the CC - I do know he was in sales, it wouldn't surprise me. He and Dawn went to all the home games and down to the Farm for Big Game.

Senior moment. The guy I knew was Erdley.

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Here's a pic.

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Second deck, and a bit of parking and the Giants would have been much better off for a long, long time.....Best weather in the City, great ball park, little to no "wind", and fan friendly.....

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And can you imagine how many more home runs Willie Mays would have hit in his career, had the Giants stayed at Seals Stadium?

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Yes, but Mayor George "Milkman" Christopher and the windy "Bag-man" Charley Harney would have struck out.

The land at Candlestick Point was purchased from Harney, a local contractor/developer who purchased the site in 1952 to mine gravel for roads, bridges and industrial development. Harney made a profit of over $2 million when he sold the land to the City for the stadium . . . AND then he received a no-bid contract to build the stadium. That deal went to a grand jury in 1958.

BTW--This same scam was attempted in the East Bay (by perps not to be named here) when BART was being built. Have you ever heard the slogan "Find a Need and Fill It"?

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Yes, Candlestick was a corrupt deal. San Francisco is the most politically corrupt city on the West Coast. But some SF mayors take political corruption to another level. One thing about corrupt mayors is that they can really get things done by finding ways around the bureaucracy. Christopher not only got Candlestick built, but he also got Japantown built, along with 12 schools and 17 firehouses, and the Hall of Justice. And without Willie Brown, cut from the same mold as Christopher, do you think we would have an ATT Park now? There was a maybe 40 year stretch when nothing much got built south of Market, as project after project was tied up in the permitting process with the Planning Commission and the Building Department. Then Willie got elected, and all of a sudden a beautiful ballpark appears, along with a UCSF facility full of buildings, along with dozens of other projects. These things don't happen by accident.

One thing I will say about Christopher: He is the man who convinced the Giants to move to San Francisco. Without him, they probably don't move here, and you and millions of fans would not have seen Mays, McCovey and the rest of the great major league ballplayers who played and are still playing here. And I thank him for that, at least.

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Here's a pic.

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Second deck, and a bit of parking and the Giants would have been much better off for a long, long time.....Best weather in the City, great ball park, little to no "wind", and fan friendly.....

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And can you imagine how many more home runs Willie Mays would have hit in his career, had the Giants stayed at Seals Stadium?

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Yes, but Mayor George "Milkman" Christopher and the windy "Bag-man" Charley Harney would have struck out.

The land at Candlestick Point was purchased from Harney, a local contractor/developer who purchased the site in 1952 to mine gravel for roads, bridges and industrial development. Harney made a profit of over $2 million when he sold the land to the City for the stadium . . . AND then he received a no-bid contract to build the stadium. That deal went to a grand jury in 1958.

BTW--This same scam was attempted in the East Bay (by perps not to be named here) when BART was being built. Have you ever heard the slogan "Find a Need and Fill It"?

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Yes, Candlestick was a corrupt deal. San Francisco is the most politically corrupt city on the West Coast. But some SF mayors take political corruption to another level. One thing about corrupt mayors is that they can really get things done by finding ways around the bureaucracy. Christopher not only got Candlestick built, but he also got Japantown built, along with 12 schools and 17 firehouses, and the Hall of Justice. And without Willie Brown, cut from the same mold as Christopher, do you think we would have an ATT Park now? There was a maybe 40 year stretch when nothing much got built south of Market, as project after project was tied up in the permitting process with the Planning Commission and the Building Department. Then Willie got elected, and all of a sudden a beautiful ballpark appears, along with a UCSF facility full of buildings, along with dozens of other projects. These things don't happen by accident.

One thing I will say about Christopher: He is the man who convinced the Giants to move to San Francisco. Without him, they probably don't move here, and you and millions of fans would not have seen Mays, McCovey and the rest of the great major league ballplayers who played and are still playing here. And I thank him for that, at least.

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Excellent points, SFCity, although I believe that LA and Seattle give SF a run for their money in the corruption derby. And out here, we're all amateurs compared with Boston and Chicago.

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You could literally get high deep breathing in there. Among the acts I saw from '72-'76: Steve Miller, Peter Frampton, Elvin Bishop, CSN&Y, War, Dave Mason, Santana, Roxy Music, Neil Young, etc. At Berkeley Community Theater during same time frame: The Dead, Leon Russell, the Kinks, T Bone Walker, Roy Buchanan, Les Paul & Mary Ford, George Benson, Kenny Burrell, Robben Ford, Joe Pass and Shuggie Otis (in 1964 when I was 10 I saw Louis Armstrong there). One of the biggest regrets of my life was passing on The Who and The Clash at the Oakland Coliseum In 1982 to go to a Cal v FUCLA football game. Tim Gorman, two years ahead of me at O'Dowd, played keyboards for The Who's 1982 Tour as well as on the album they released that year,
It's Hard.

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Fantastic lists Bearister. I had no idea an O'Dowd alum played at that level and for The Who... Wish I'd seen that tour and many on your list. I wonder why BOD doesn't celebrate Gorman's achievement(s).... they seem to be sharing just about everything else in the e-newsletter I get.... thanks for the share.

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Dave Meniketti in my class sold millions of albums with his Heavy Metal band, Y & T (and one year won Best Bay Area Rock Guitarist) and Don Cromwell, two years ahead of me at BO, played bass for the Australian band, Air Supply.

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Very good cover of my favorite Boz song. Thanks for sharing.

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You could literally get high deep breathing in there. Among the acts I saw from '72-'76: Steve Miller, Peter Frampton, Elvin Bishop, CSN&Y, War, Dave Mason, Santana, Roxy Music, Neil Young, etc. At Berkeley Community Theater during same time frame: The Dead, Leon Russell, the Kinks, T Bone Walker, Roy Buchanan, Les Paul & Mary Ford, George Benson, Kenny Burrell, Robben Ford, Joe Pass and Shuggie Otis (in 1964 when I was 10 I saw Louis Armstrong there). One of the biggest regrets of my life was passing on The Who and The Clash at the Oakland Coliseum In 1982 to go to a Cal v FUCLA football game. Tim Gorman, two years ahead of me at O'Dowd, played keyboards for The Who's 1982 Tour as well as on the album they released that year,
It's Hard.

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Fantastic lists Bearister. I had no idea an O'Dowd alum played at that level and for The Who... Wish I'd seen that tour and many on your list. I wonder why BOD doesn't celebrate Gorman's achievement(s).... they seem to be sharing just about everything else in the e-newsletter I get.... thanks for the share.

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Dave Meniketti in my class sold millions of albums with his Heavy Metal band, Y & T (and one year won Best Bay Area Rock Guitarist) and Don Cromwell, two years ahead of me at BO, played bass for the Australian band, Air Supply.

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Very good cover of my favorite Boz song. Thanks for sharing.

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Senior moment. The guy I knew was Erdley.

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You are too young to be having senior moments.

SFCityBear said:

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bearister said:

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Senior moment. The guy I knew was Erdley.

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You are too young to be having senior moments.

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You are one of the few around here that has the standing to make that comment. Looking forward to your hoop analysis this season but I have the feeling that you are really going to have your work cut out for you.