Both, plus Edwards.

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I don't care how bad the the QB play is, a good offensive coordinator would find a way to scheme around at least some of the weaknesses and at least have a servicable offense if not a good one.

Sometimes a "hot-shot" head coach is hired away from a successful lower-tier program (EWU) and that program doesn't miss a beat--sometimes they even get better. And the CFB world slowly finds out maybe the reason for the success of that program was the assistant coaches who stayed behind. This appears to be the case with EWU. Baldwin was not the reason for their success. We got Dan Hawkins'd. This ain't inter-murals brother.

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I think the first paragraph is unfair to Baldwin. That strategy is called running the ball all the time. We did that all season long until the bowl game. It was reasonable to pass during the bowl game. The fresh QB had a full season under his belt and extra weeks to prepare.

To my eye the bigger problem is why do we have two elite 11 QBs and an SEC QB on the roster and none of them can play a lick? The probability of three highly regarded QBs all being bad is very very low. More than likely that's coaching, likely position coaching.

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To my eye the bigger problem is why do we have two elite 11 QBs and an SEC QB on the roster and none of them can play a lick? The probability of three highly regarded QBs all being bad is very very low. More than likely that's coaching, likely position coaching.

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Makes sense to me. Though to be fair, we'd have to note that McIlwain lost his starting status before he transferred, so there's that. Garbers was always clearly behind Bowers on the depth chart, and was only thrust into playing when Bowers was unexpectedly injured, even though he has more talent than Bowers. His major weakness seems to be a judgement problem, which amounts to his the throwing passes that should never be thrown under any circumstances. It's as if he just doesn't see DBs. I don't know if better coaching would fix that. He just never got past this issue.

The overall difficulties on offense this year have been so bad, Wilcox may well decide a coaching overhaul is required to get the offense turned around. We'll see.

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To my eye the bigger problem is why do we have two elite 11 QBs and an SEC QB on the roster and none of them can play a lick? The probability of three highly regarded QBs all being bad is very very low. More than likely that's coaching, likely position coaching.

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Bah. Elite 11 is a worthless title.

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I get that folks are pissed, but the absolute wrong thing to do is fire anyone right now. Wilcox needs to do a careful analysis of just where the offense went so far off. Was it the position coaches? Was it the overall scheme (I.e., Baldwin)?j Was it both? Then he can make an informed decision which involves not only getting rid of dead wood but also finding replacements that will work. It is worth remembering that Tui came with him, not BB; so far that looks like a poor choice, but since I don't attend practices nor team meetings, I don't know where the main problem lies.

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Come on it doesn't require that methodical of an analysis. It wasn't just the bowl game. It's been all year. Wilcox has to have some ideas already.

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It has been said that Tui is a personal friend of JW. If so, JW MUST let go of that in assessing Tui's worth. If he keeps Tui because of that, he's lost his mojo to be a hc. Give him one more year to prove that he can make a difference? JW must ask himself what was it that Tui didn't have a chance to do in his two years with the team?

A hc must set feelings aside and make the tough decisions that he knows have to be made.

I agree on the bogus "elite 11" status for the QB's on the Bear's roster Either way too much grade inflation or Ray Charles was in charge of Scouting? Same goes for current receivers.

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

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All of these are great suggestions. If we hire Colin Kaepernick, I'm giving $1000 the day we announce. That would be a stellar move. It would capture the attention of the kind of student athletes AND student students that we want at Cal.

You must be kidding. he is the last guy I would want.Jerk.

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

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All of these are great suggestions. If we hire Colin Kaepernick, I'm giving $1000 the day we announce. That would be a stellar move. It would capture the attention of the kind of student athletes AND student students that we want at Cal.

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Dude!! Time to get off "Tightwad Hill" and put the reefer away......

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You must be kidding. he is the last guy I would want.Jerk.

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Not kidding. Every black parent is alarmed about the use of state violence against our children. Unfortunately, police around the country have posed themselves as an existential threat to us.

Now we see it used against innocent immigrant children, with deadly results. Lest you forget Kent State, unless we stop it now, state violence will be coming to a child near you, soon enough. While I still stand for the anthem, Kaep is right and righteous in his cause.

More to the point of this thread, he'd bring ballers to Cal.

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

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All of these are great suggestions. If we hire Colin Kaepernick, I'm giving $1000 the day we announce. That would be a stellar move. It would capture the attention of the kind of student athletes AND student students that we want at Cal.

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Dude!! Time to get off "Tightwad Hill" and put the reefer away......

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I'm 7 years sober and I sit in Section E, Row 10, Seat 7. Come by some time, we'll discuss it.

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You must be kidding. he is the last guy I would want.Jerk.

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Not kidding. Every black parent is alarmed about the use of state violence against our children. Unfortunately, police around the country have posed themselves as an existential threat to us.

Now we see it used against innocent immigrant children, with deadly results. Lest you forget Kent State, unless we stop it now, state violence will be coming to a child near you, soon enough. While I still stand for the anthem, Kaep is right and righteous in his cause.

More to the point of this thread, he'd bring ballers to Cal.

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Oh, brother, You've really gone off the deep end. Either that or you're really being sarcastic.

He has never coached. He was not very good the last few years with the niners. I doubt it's an upgrade.

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

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can I downvote this post?

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Fyght4Cal said:

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You must be kidding. he is the last guy I would want.Jerk.

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Not kidding. Every black parent is alarmed about the use of state violence against our children. Unfortunately, police around the country have posed themselves as an existential threat to us.

Now we see it used against innocent immigrant children, with deadly results. Lest you forget Kent State, unless we stop it now, state violence will be coming to a child near you, soon enough. While I still stand for the anthem, Kaep is right and righteous in his cause.

More to the point of this thread, he'd bring ballers to Cal.

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Oh, brother, You've really gone off the deep end. Either that or you're really being sarcastic.

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1. I have black children. I worry about them leaving the house to an often hostile, unsafe environment, the same way my parents worried about me, and their parents about them, ad infinitum.
2. I have my own experiences with law enforcement good, bad, excellent and ugly.
3. My family has its historical experiences, including a great grandfather, who was disappeared into the southern prison-slave industry complex in the early part of the 20th Century, as described by Douglas Blackmon in "Slavery By Another Name" www.slaverybyanothername.com
4. It is your privilege to ignore what has been happening the last 10 years in our country. It is not mine.
5. Clearly you lack black friends and relatives who can help you see through your blind spots.
6. But you're here. And you're engaging. So there's hope.
7. Happy New Year!

The goal should be to bring in the best guy to coach the offense.

How about letting Baldwin go and allow the new OC to decide who is retained?

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How about letting Baldwin go and allow the new OC to decide who is retained?

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Ding ding ding

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How about letting Baldwin go and allow the new OC to decide who is retained?

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I can go with that! Can we fire Baldwin today and start looking for a new OC NOW!!!!!

We are on the hook for $500k+ for Baldwin for 2019. That's a tough amount for Cal Football to swallow

I'm starting to think that since it hasn't been done, there is either more going on than we can speculate OR it won't happen unless someone leave voluntarily. To see how bad the offense was and not be quick to make a change is concerning.

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

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All of these are great suggestions. If we hire Colin Kaepernick, I'm giving $1000 the day we announce. That would be a stellar move. It would capture the attention of the kind of student athletes AND student students that we want at Cal.

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I don't want a symbol for a QB coach. I want someone who could actually coach QB's to improve.

"All of these are great suggestions." Cal boosters are so f***ing dumb.

Thank you Yogi.

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

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All of these are great suggestions. If we hire Colin Kaepernick, I'm giving $1000 the day we announce. That would be a stellar move. It would capture the attention of the kind of student athletes AND student students that we want at Cal.

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Dude!! Time to get off "Tightwad Hill" and put the reefer away......

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I'm 7 years sober and I sit in Section E, Row 10, Seat 7. Come by some time, we'll discuss it.

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Congrats! Keep it up, but I still disagree with your position. By the grace of God many of us were born in this great country. We do owe it the respect to honor the flag that represents the freedom we have because of those brave men and women who have sacrificed for you and me. We may disagree with the atrocities from a few "bad apples" but we should never lower our standards an take a knee. We are still one nation "under God", indivincable with liberty and justice for all. Too many actors and athletes think they can use their careers to make their personal statements, but what they forget is (you and I) work hard at our jobs to earn an income to lose ourselves in a brief moment in a movie or sporting event. Since (you and I) pay their wages we should have an expectation that they live up to their obligations. When I was a little guy (several years ago) I don't remember Mrs.Key my 3rd grade teacher (by the way a lovely African American woman) letting me sit in my seat and not stand for the pledge of allegiance every morning. She lost her brother at Pearl Harbor. Again, congrats!! Keep it up Bear!

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I'm starting to think that since it hasn't been done, there is either more going on than we can speculate OR it won't happen unless someone leave voluntarily. To see how bad the offense was and not be quick to make a change is concerning.

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This seems like a smart take on the situation.

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

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All of these are great suggestions. If we hire Colin Kaepernick, I'm giving $1000 the day we announce. That would be a stellar move. It would capture the attention of the kind of student athletes AND student students that we want at Cal.

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I am a Kaepernick fan, in general, and would be a huge fan if he, like, voted and urged others to do so as well. Heck, I even forgive him for kicking our ass that one year in Reno.

However, for a coach, I'd like to see us hire somebody who has shown they can coach. If Kaep were to have even a relatively short (but successful) coaching resume, I'd be all for hiring him.

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I would start with Edwards, replacing him with Eric Keisau from Boise St.
Then I would remove Baldwin next year when his contract is up.
Tui would go or stay depending on his performance in 2019 and the decisions of the new OC, which could also be Keisau.

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I would remove Tuiasosopo his year. I'm not sure who else is available as a QB coach, but if we're looking for former Pac-12 QBs, why not consider Nate Longshore? Or see what Reggie Robertson is up to these days. Or if we must find someone who olayed his college ball elsewhere, why not look into Colin Kaepernick or Wade Wilson (former Dallas Cowboys QB coach), as I'm guessing they have some free time.

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All of these are great suggestions. If we hire Colin Kaepernick, I'm giving $1000 the day we announce. That would be a stellar move. It would capture the attention of the kind of student athletes AND student students that we want at Cal.

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I am a Kaepernick fan, in general, and would be a huge fan if he, like, voted and urged others to do so as well. Heck, I even forgive him for kicking our ass that one year in Reno.

However, for a coach, I'd like to see us hire somebody who has shown they can coach. If Kaep were to have even a relatively short (but successful) coaching resume, I'd be all for hiring him.

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I went to that game! Fans suck, I think they start drinking 2 days before the game. But watching Kaep run was like watching a gazelle run. That was a painful night!

He was a gazelle with a great arm.

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All of these are great suggestions. If we hire Colin Kaepernick, I'm giving $1000 the day we announce. That would be a stellar move. It would capture the attention of the kind of student athletes AND student students that we want at Cal.

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LMAO at you.

LOL to those who think Kaep couldn't coach. Instead of wasting my time hating a man for standing on a very American principle - the freedom to pursue happiness without interference from an oppressive government - I actually pay attention to what he says, how, and to whom.

Kaep effectively communicates with youth. I don't know if he ever wants to coach. But I have no doubt that he can.

Has he done it yet? No. Would he be a good fit with the current staff. I don't know. Does he have the gravitas to attract transcendant student athletes? Yes.

If recruiting offensive players is a real problem, a man of Kaepernick's stature could be part of an answer.

As for "disrespect of the flag", I don't worship political symbols. As a Christian, I am commanded by my God to shun idolatry. Our national secular religion does not supplant my Godly one.

Moreover, if the flag doesn't stand for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all, then none truly have these rights. It is the right of every individual to seek redress of grievances, as they see fit. The Declaration of Independence makes this extremely clear.

Police violence is not an issue of a few bad apples. The unwillingness and/or inability of civilian governments across America to hold their police forces accountable, is a crisis in governance. If there were real conservatives (not the racists falsely claiming conservatism), they would be standing with the individuals denied the right to life by oppressive state power. That "conservatives" are not, is to forever discredit their disingenuous bleatings about "individual" rights.

Dammit, politics.

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All of these are great suggestions. If we hire Colin Kaepernick, I'm giving $1000 the day we announce. That would be a stellar move. It would capture the attention of the kind of student athletes AND student students that we want at Cal.

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LMAO at you.

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Whatever

The problem forme, F4C is conflating 2 issues. I agree with you 100% about Kaep's stance and the larger societal issue. But I disagree about hiring him as qb coach. 1. He's never coached. 2. The rap on him when he played was that he rarely studied the playbook (granted, I don't know for sure if that's fair or not). If there were another role for him, I'd be strongly in favor.

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LOL to those who think Kaep couldn't coach.

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Every time I think I've read the dumbest thing ever on this board, someone comes through and lowers the bar. Thanks for hitting rock bottom. Stick to cheerleading.

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The problem forme, F4C is conflating 2 issues. I agree with you 100% about Kaep's stance and the larger societal issue. But I disagree about hiring him as qb coach. 1. He's never coached. 2. The rap on him when he played was that he rarely studied the playbook (granted, I don't know for sure if that's fair or not). If there were another role for him, I'd be strongly in favor.

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Agree with this. Well said.

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LOL to those who think Kaep couldn't coach.

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Every time I think I've read the dumbest thing ever on this board, someone comes through and lowers the bar. Thanks for hitting rock bottom. Stick to cheerleading.

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Agree that Kaep as a D1 QB coach, particularly since he hasn't coached at any level, doesn't make sense. I don't know if there is such a thing as "rock bottom" though.