Imagine that, somebody representing the United States of America making callous comments! For shame!calbear70 said:
The tea celebration was not my favorite. You should respect your opponents. Rapinoe needs to keep her mouth shut. She has a right to her opinion about Trump but when you are representing your country in a foreign land you keep those comments to your self. I was very upset by her callous comments.
Are you more upset about the tea gesture(which again was a shout out to Sophie Turner'<who is british and wasn't upset)s tea thing) or about Marshawn's sack grab?calbear70 said:
The tea celebration was not my favorite. You should respect your opponents. Rapinoe needs to keep her mouth shut. She has a right to her opinion about Trump but when you are representing your country in a foreign land you keep those comments to your self. I was very upset by her callous comments.
Those were the days. So we developed safe spaces today for words that fly slower and hit softer than a Drysdale fast ball.bearister said:
I disapproved of taunting/celebrating in the old days but since you ran the risk of getting your a$$ kicked you still had to give it some respect. These days athletes at all levels know they are under a nuclear umbrella of protection so now it is basically a pu$$ie move. As I said in a previous post, if you celebrated a TD against Jack Tatum you ran the risk of eating your dinner through a tube and if you pulled a Barry Bonds admiration pose of your homer off Don Drysdale you knew you would be eating a 100 MPH fastball to your head at your next at bat.
You think Marshawn would fear Jack Tatum?bearister said:
I disapproved of taunting/celebrating in the old days but since you ran the risk of getting your a$$ kicked you still had to give it some respect. These days athletes at all levels know they are under a nuclear umbrella of protection so now it is basically a pu$$ie move. As I said in a previous post, if you celebrated a TD against Jack Tatum you ran the risk of eating your dinner through a tube and if you pulled a Barry Bonds admiration pose of your homer off Don Drysdale you knew you would be eating a 100 MPH fastball to your head at your next at bat.
Guys that had good parents don't showboat or taunt unprovoked.bearister said:
I disapproved of taunting/celebrating in the old days but since you ran the risk of getting your a$$ kicked you still had to give it some respect. These days athletes at all levels know they are under a nuclear umbrella of protection so now it is basically a pu$$ie move. As I said in a previous post, if you celebrated a TD against Jack Tatum you ran the risk of eating your dinner through a tube and if you pulled a Barry Bonds admiration pose of your homer off Don Drysdale you knew you would be eating a 100 MPH fastball to your head at your next at bat.
Oh, I don't know about the slower and softer part. Words like racist, sexual assaulter, white supremacist, ignorant, uneducated and deplorable are pretty hard hitting. It should be illegal to call someone one of those words.OdontoBear66 said:Those were the days. So we developed safe spaces today for words that fly slower and hit softer than a Drysdale fast ball.bearister said:
I disapproved of taunting/celebrating in the old days but since you ran the risk of getting your a$$ kicked you still had to give it some respect. These days athletes at all levels know they are under a nuclear umbrella of protection so now it is basically a pu$$ie move. As I said in a previous post, if you celebrated a TD against Jack Tatum you ran the risk of eating your dinner through a tube and if you pulled a Barry Bonds admiration pose of your homer off Don Drysdale you knew you would be eating a 100 MPH fastball to your head at your next at bat.
Agreed. Nor are they racist, sexist, white nationalist, narcissist, uneducated, disrespectful, ignorant, corrupt, greedy or selfish.GBear4Life said:Guys that had good parents don't showboat or taunt unprovoked.bearister said:
I disapproved of taunting/celebrating in the old days but since you ran the risk of getting your a$$ kicked you still had to give it some respect. These days athletes at all levels know they are under a nuclear umbrella of protection so now it is basically a pu$$ie move. As I said in a previous post, if you celebrated a TD against Jack Tatum you ran the risk of eating your dinner through a tube and if you pulled a Barry Bonds admiration pose of your homer off Don Drysdale you knew you would be eating a 100 MPH fastball to your head at your next at bat.
burritos said:You think Marshawn would fear Jack Tatum?bearister said:
I disapproved of taunting/celebrating in the old days but since you ran the risk of getting your a$$ kicked you still had to give it some respect. These days athletes at all levels know they are under a nuclear umbrella of protection so now it is basically a pu$$ie move. As I said in a previous post, if you celebrated a TD against Jack Tatum you ran the risk of eating your dinner through a tube and if you pulled a Barry Bonds admiration pose of your homer off Don Drysdale you knew you would be eating a 100 MPH fastball to your head at your next at bat.
A pitcher throwing at a hitter is the pu$$i move in my opinion. If the game has devolved to throwing at each other, the guy knows he is not coming up to the plate to take some of his own medicine. He gets to throw at someone then check out of the game.bearister said:
I disapproved of taunting/celebrating in the old days but since you ran the risk of getting your a$$ kicked you still had to give it some respect. These days athletes at all levels know they are under a nuclear umbrella of protection so now it is basically a pu$$ie move. As I said in a previous post, if you celebrated a TD against Jack Tatum you ran the risk of eating your dinner through a tube and if you pulled a Barry Bonds admiration pose of your homer off Don Drysdale you knew you would be eating a 100 MPH fastball to your head at your next at bat.
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Not that I disagree with most of the opinions here, but Don Drysdale and Bob Gibson played when pitchers did have to bat every time through the order. I can't recall ever hearing of them being thrown at though. Throwing at batters is weak and should have been removed from the game decades ago.
TomBear said:
Back to the soccer victory......
What a great performance by our women. I never had a feeling, in any game, that they were in jeopardy. They just continued to attack and their desire was very apparent in the way they finished each game.
Now, I will say that I am not only disappointed, but am a bit disgusted by the mouthing off, and some of the antics. That totally marred my overall admiration for the team.
?w=326&zoom=2 I posted the following reply to the same post you made on the insider board. Copying my response here too:TomBear said:
Back to the soccer victory......
What a great performance by our women. I never had a feeling, in any game, that they were in jeopardy. They just continued to attack and their desire was very apparent in the way they finished each game.
Now, I will say that I am not only disappointed, but am a bit disgusted by the mouthing off, and some of the antics. That totally marred my overall admiration for the team. So from an athletic standpoint I'm thrilled. From a sportsmanship/political standpoint I have lost a great deal of respect for (some of) them.
One thing that came up over and over was the chemistry of the team. In my opinion, being able to enjoy each other both on and off the field of competition is one of the most important aspects of team success. This team totally had it. And it is one reason why culture is so important in a program. Wilcox gets it. And it's just one of the reasons I believe Cal football is going to provide success and pride for many years (if we can keep him).
Rugby World Cup is just a few weeks away. I hope the Eagles execute as well as the U.S. Women's soccer team, but do so with more dignity and class.
Actually Koufax wasn't that brave. The catcher threw the ball back to Koufax next to Marichal's head, perhaps hitting his ear. A bush league move, and Marichal, the batter (with a bat in his hand) turned to confront him. The now, enraged catcher (who does not deserve to be recognized) chased Marichal back toward the pitcher's mound, where Koufax was still standing. From the Vin Scully audio I thought that Marichal and turned out hit the catcher while in the batter's box. Years later when I saw the full video, I saw that the catcher chased Marichal to the base of the pitcher's mound where Koufax was standing. Koufax didn't really rush to his teammates defense.bearister said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Not that I disagree with most of the opinions here, but Don Drysdale and Bob Gibson played when pitchers did have to bat every time through the order. I can't recall ever hearing of them being thrown at though. Throwing at batters is weak and should have been removed from the game decades ago.
Koufax refused to throw at batters...but he was brave enough to come to a teammates assistance, unarmed, against Juan, who was wielding a deadly weapon.
The problem I have with entertainers and sports figures doing same is that they have achieved fame for their performance on stage or on the field of play and then in turn use that fame as a stage to vocalize their opinions. Pick any celeb you want, meaning it can be of any persuasion, it is just that Megan Rapinoe's opinion on a subject is worth NO MORE THAN YOURS OR MINE, but because she has fame and spotlight on her she uses that platform to espouse her opinion. That I do not think is right (and by the way I agree with what her protest is, just not the "****ing", etc.). I wholeheartedly think the women should be paid as much or more than the men soccer players (they have done relatively nothing in comparison); I do believe she should make the strong case for LBG rights and equality, but do so with a measure of class. Dividing America in front of an international audience is not the place.OneKeg said:
TomBear - thanks for sharing your thoughts. Obviously I disagree.
I think our athletes and entertainers, like everyone else, not only can but if inclined, should express themselves, not just hold opinions privately. As with everyone else, folks can then agree or disagree with their opinions.
That holds true whether it's the USWNT's opinions on Trump, Scott Fujita's opinions on marriage equality, Muhammad Ali's opinions on the Viet Nam War, Colin Kaepernick protesting what he feels is systemic racism, Charlton Heston becoming the president of and speaking on behalf of the NRA, Johnny Damon speaking in favor of Trump or Tom Brady wearing a MAGA hat.
Even Donald Trump, before he was President, when he was an entertainer - a reality TV personality and businessman with mixed results, felt no compunction about promoting the controversial Obama birther garbage. Or prior to that, calling for the death of the Central Park Five who were exonerated. I utterly disagreed with what he had to say and still do, but did not think it was improper for him to express himself on such controversial topics in the first place.
Again, to be clear, I respect your opinion but disagree with it.
Will also post this on Insider board for continuity.
Who says that by stating her opinion on the platform she has her opinion is worth more than anyone else's? Many people have a platform, and if only those who have achieved that platform for work on the subject matter of the opinion being expressed were allowed to express the opinion, you would be suppressing quite a lot of discourse.OdontoBear66 said:The problem I have with entertainers and sports figures doing same is that they have achieved fame for their performance on stage or on the field of play and then in turn use that fame as a stage to vocalize their opinions. Pick any celeb you want, meaning it can be of any persuasion, it is just that Megan Rapinoe's opinion on a subject is worth NO MORE THAN YOURS OR MINE, but because she has fame and spotlight on her she uses that platform to espouse her opinion. That I do not think is right (and by the way I agree with what her protest is, just not the "****ing", etc.). I wholeheartedly think the women should be paid as much or more than the men soccer players (they have done relatively nothing in comparison); I do believe she should make the strong case for LBG rights and equality, but do so with a measure of class. Dividing America in front of an international audience is not the place.OneKeg said:
TomBear - thanks for sharing your thoughts. Obviously I disagree.
I think our athletes and entertainers, like everyone else, not only can but if inclined, should express themselves, not just hold opinions privately. As with everyone else, folks can then agree or disagree with their opinions.
That holds true whether it's the USWNT's opinions on Trump, Scott Fujita's opinions on marriage equality, Muhammad Ali's opinions on the Viet Nam War, Colin Kaepernick protesting what he feels is systemic racism, Charlton Heston becoming the president of and speaking on behalf of the NRA, Johnny Damon speaking in favor of Trump or Tom Brady wearing a MAGA hat.
Even Donald Trump, before he was President, when he was an entertainer - a reality TV personality and businessman with mixed results, felt no compunction about promoting the controversial Obama birther garbage. Or prior to that, calling for the death of the Central Park Five who were exonerated. I utterly disagreed with what he had to say and still do, but did not think it was improper for him to express himself on such controversial topics in the first place.
Again, to be clear, I respect your opinion but disagree with it.
Will also post this on Insider board for continuity.
Just to be clear - I never said Rapinoe's opinion (since you mentioned her) is worth more than any of ours. Sure she has a platform/spotlight right now. Lots of people do.OdontoBear66 said:The problem I have with entertainers and sports figures doing same is that they have achieved fame for their performance on stage or on the field of play and then in turn use that fame as a stage to vocalize their opinions. Pick any celeb you want, meaning it can be of any persuasion, it is just that Megan Rapinoe's opinion on a subject is worth NO MORE THAN YOURS OR MINE, but because she has fame and spotlight on her she uses that platform to espouse her opinion. That I do not think is right (and by the way I agree with what her protest is, just not the "****ing", etc.). I wholeheartedly think the women should be paid as much or more than the men soccer players (they have done relatively nothing in comparison); I do believe she should make the strong case for LBG rights and equality, but do so with a measure of class. Dividing America in front of an international audience is not the place.OneKeg said:
TomBear - thanks for sharing your thoughts. Obviously I disagree.
I think our athletes and entertainers, like everyone else, not only can but if inclined, should express themselves, not just hold opinions privately. As with everyone else, folks can then agree or disagree with their opinions.
That holds true whether it's the USWNT's opinions on Trump, Scott Fujita's opinions on marriage equality, Muhammad Ali's opinions on the Viet Nam War, Colin Kaepernick protesting what he feels is systemic racism, Charlton Heston becoming the president of and speaking on behalf of the NRA, Johnny Damon speaking in favor of Trump or Tom Brady wearing a MAGA hat.
Even Donald Trump, before he was President, when he was an entertainer - a reality TV personality and businessman with mixed results, felt no compunction about promoting the controversial Obama birther garbage. Or prior to that, calling for the death of the Central Park Five who were exonerated. I utterly disagreed with what he had to say and still do, but did not think it was improper for him to express himself on such controversial topics in the first place.
Again, to be clear, I respect your opinion but disagree with it.
Will also post this on Insider board for continuity.
sp4149 said:Actually Koufax wasn't that brave. The catcher threw the ball back to Koufax next to Marichal's head, perhaps hitting his ear. A bush league move, and Marichal, the batter (with a bat in his hand) turned to confront him. The now, enraged catcher (who does not deserve to be recognized) chased Marichal back toward the pitcher's mound, where Koufax was still standing. From the Vin Scully audio I thought that Marichal and turned out hit the catcher while in the batter's box. Years later when I saw the full video, I saw that the catcher chased Marichal to the base of the pitcher's mound where Koufax was standing. Koufax didn't really rush to his teammates defense.bearister said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Not that I disagree with most of the opinions here, but Don Drysdale and Bob Gibson played when pitchers did have to bat every time through the order. I can't recall ever hearing of them being thrown at though. Throwing at batters is weak and should have been removed from the game decades ago.
Koufax refused to throw at batters...but he was brave enough to come to a teammates assistance, unarmed, against Juan, who was wielding a deadly weapon.
If the catcher had charged a policeman holding a riot baton (nightstick) and backed the officer into a corner with some of his friends behind the officer, and the officer fearing for his life, beat him to death with the nightstick; the verdict would have been justifiable homicide...
Uh, I think Rapinoe was brought up because this is a post World Cup soccer thread. I did not say that "you said....." I merely gave what my opinion was about entertainers and sports figures who gain stage using that stage. Because someone is a great actor doesn't mean their pearls of wisdom are pearls at all.OneKeg said:Just to be clear - I never said Rapinoe's opinion (since you mentioned her) is worth more than any of ours. Sure she has a platform/spotlight right now. Lots of people do.OdontoBear66 said:The problem I have with entertainers and sports figures doing same is that they have achieved fame for their performance on stage or on the field of play and then in turn use that fame as a stage to vocalize their opinions. Pick any celeb you want, meaning it can be of any persuasion, it is just that Megan Rapinoe's opinion on a subject is worth NO MORE THAN YOURS OR MINE, but because she has fame and spotlight on her she uses that platform to espouse her opinion. That I do not think is right (and by the way I agree with what her protest is, just not the "****ing", etc.). I wholeheartedly think the women should be paid as much or more than the men soccer players (they have done relatively nothing in comparison); I do believe she should make the strong case for LBG rights and equality, but do so with a measure of class. Dividing America in front of an international audience is not the place.OneKeg said:
TomBear - thanks for sharing your thoughts. Obviously I disagree.
I think our athletes and entertainers, like everyone else, not only can but if inclined, should express themselves, not just hold opinions privately. As with everyone else, folks can then agree or disagree with their opinions.
That holds true whether it's the USWNT's opinions on Trump, Scott Fujita's opinions on marriage equality, Muhammad Ali's opinions on the Viet Nam War, Colin Kaepernick protesting what he feels is systemic racism, Charlton Heston becoming the president of and speaking on behalf of the NRA, Johnny Damon speaking in favor of Trump or Tom Brady wearing a MAGA hat.
Even Donald Trump, before he was President, when he was an entertainer - a reality TV personality and businessman with mixed results, felt no compunction about promoting the controversial Obama birther garbage. Or prior to that, calling for the death of the Central Park Five who were exonerated. I utterly disagreed with what he had to say and still do, but did not think it was improper for him to express himself on such controversial topics in the first place.
Again, to be clear, I respect your opinion but disagree with it.
Will also post this on Insider board for continuity.
We have other much more prominent figures than her nationally who have used their fame to either serve themselves or espouse their opinions to a far greater extent. I gave some specific examples in my post above (pre-2016 Trump, Charlton Heston). These were controversial positions that divided America.
Why is it Megan Rapinoe that needs to shut up?
Right, that's why I said "just to be clear" in case anyone thought I had said it because it might have seemed that way from your all caps section. Wasn't indicating you were saying I said it, or that there was any problem with you bringing up Rapinoe in a WWC thread. I just used it as a segue.OdontoBear66 said:Uh, I think Rapinoe was brought up because this is a post World Cup soccer thread. I did not say that "you said....." I merely gave what my opinion was about entertainers and sports figures who gain stage using that stage. Because someone is a great actor doesn't mean their pearls of wisdom are pearls at all.OneKeg said:Just to be clear - I never said Rapinoe's opinion (since you mentioned her) is worth more than any of ours. Sure she has a platform/spotlight right now. Lots of people do.OdontoBear66 said:The problem I have with entertainers and sports figures doing same is that they have achieved fame for their performance on stage or on the field of play and then in turn use that fame as a stage to vocalize their opinions. Pick any celeb you want, meaning it can be of any persuasion, it is just that Megan Rapinoe's opinion on a subject is worth NO MORE THAN YOURS OR MINE, but because she has fame and spotlight on her she uses that platform to espouse her opinion. That I do not think is right (and by the way I agree with what her protest is, just not the "****ing", etc.). I wholeheartedly think the women should be paid as much or more than the men soccer players (they have done relatively nothing in comparison); I do believe she should make the strong case for LBG rights and equality, but do so with a measure of class. Dividing America in front of an international audience is not the place.OneKeg said:
TomBear - thanks for sharing your thoughts. Obviously I disagree.
I think our athletes and entertainers, like everyone else, not only can but if inclined, should express themselves, not just hold opinions privately. As with everyone else, folks can then agree or disagree with their opinions.
That holds true whether it's the USWNT's opinions on Trump, Scott Fujita's opinions on marriage equality, Muhammad Ali's opinions on the Viet Nam War, Colin Kaepernick protesting what he feels is systemic racism, Charlton Heston becoming the president of and speaking on behalf of the NRA, Johnny Damon speaking in favor of Trump or Tom Brady wearing a MAGA hat.
Even Donald Trump, before he was President, when he was an entertainer - a reality TV personality and businessman with mixed results, felt no compunction about promoting the controversial Obama birther garbage. Or prior to that, calling for the death of the Central Park Five who were exonerated. I utterly disagreed with what he had to say and still do, but did not think it was improper for him to express himself on such controversial topics in the first place.
Again, to be clear, I respect your opinion but disagree with it.
Will also post this on Insider board for continuity.
We have other much more prominent figures than her nationally who have used their fame to either serve themselves or espouse their opinions to a far greater extent. I gave some specific examples in my post above (pre-2016 Trump, Charlton Heston). These were controversial positions that divided America.
Why is it Megan Rapinoe that needs to shut up?
