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"I don't think Chip and I ever had a conversation about his personal life in the three years that we worked together," Mike Bellotti, his former boss at Oregon, told the LA Times.
Kelly's ultimate downfall in Philadelphia came in January 2015 when Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie gave him the keys to the personnel department, shifting Howie Roseman to the other end of the building. Kelly had been winning football games, even made the playoffs in his first season, but his managerial eye was crude.
In retrospect, Lurie called the move one of his biggest regrets.
And recruiting.GBear4Life said:
Kelly might simply not be a people person.
Who cares about the alumni schmoozing stuff, but he's got to at least pretend he gives a sh*t about the players.
Another Bear said:
I think this is Chippy's last go round...unless he wins but it doesn't look good. Here's a good read that jumps off that. They still hate him in Philly.
Here's the thing, he won at Oregon with a system that everyone has caught up to. The NFL is using RPO now. His famous use of players with desire over talent worked at Oregon but not in the pros and it doesn't look to work at UCLA, not with a players mutiny at hand. Of course he gutted Philly's roster using this logic figuring his system would work and he's a genius.
https://heavy.com/sports/2019/06/eagles-news-ucla-football-player-says-no-one-likes-chip-kelly/Quote:
"I don't think Chip and I ever had a conversation about his personal life in the three years that we worked together," Mike Bellotti, his former boss at Oregon, told the LA Times.
Kelly's ultimate downfall in Philadelphia came in January 2015 when Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie gave him the keys to the personnel department, shifting Howie Roseman to the other end of the building. Kelly had been winning football games, even made the playoffs in his first season, but his managerial eye was crude.
In retrospect, Lurie called the move one of his biggest regrets.
Definitely his M.O. at Oregon. His disdain for alumni schmoozing, and for recruiting visits, were cited as motivating factors to move to the NFL. To be fair, I would also hate doing those things, but I'm not a football coach.Beardog26 said:
Actually, I was told by the family of a kid on last year's Bruins team that Kelly, after attending a few weekly senior captains/leaders meetings, decided to send an underling to represent him at a meeting, then failed to ever attend another meeting again the remainder of the season. Apparently, said senior captains/leaders were less than impressed. Have also heard that he wants little to do with meetings/contacts with alumni. Sometimes, where there's smoke, there's fire.
Clearly, the guy can coach offensive football. I just think his act gets old and he wears out his welcome after a period of time. A bit like Harbaugh in that regard. I'm not saying fucla won't bounce back and have some success under Kelly's system, but his track record and what I've heard indicate whatever success he does have is not likely to be long lasting.
Agreed. We have lots of Cal fans on this thread and I think an SC fan (TDub) chimed in there. But Chip and his apparently dysfunctional Bruins beat both Cal (handily) and SC last season with a true freshman and backup QB respectively.wifeisafurd said:
I will join the parade when we beat one of his teams.
What, you are not in favor of moral victories?wifeisafurd said:
I will join the parade when we beat one of his teams.
GBear4Life said:
As far as I can tell, Kelly is unquestionably one of the best HCs in all of football at any level. He's an as*hole HC? That's not novel at all...
He is a good college coach until proven otherwise. He is not a good NFL coach. That has been established.NVBear78 said:GBear4Life said:
As far as I can tell, Kelly is unquestionably one of the best HCs in all of football at any level. He's an as*hole HC? That's not novel at all...
How is he one of the best Head Coaches in all of football given his record at UCLA last season and his last few years at Philly and when he was with the 49ers? How many years has it been since he had a winning record?
Yogi Bear said:He is a good college coach until proven otherwise. He is not a good NFL coach. That has been established.NVBear78 said:GBear4Life said:
As far as I can tell, Kelly is unquestionably one of the best HCs in all of football at any level. He's an as*hole HC? That's not novel at all...
How is he one of the best Head Coaches in all of football given his record at UCLA last season and his last few years at Philly and when he was with the 49ers? How many years has it been since he had a winning record?
The two are not the same thing.
Yogi Bear said:He is a good college coach until proven otherwise. He is not a good NFL coach. That has been established.NVBear78 said:GBear4Life said:
As far as I can tell, Kelly is unquestionably one of the best HCs in all of football at any level. He's an as*hole HC? That's not novel at all...
How is he one of the best Head Coaches in all of football given his record at UCLA last season and his last few years at Philly and when he was with the 49ers? How many years has it been since he had a winning record?
The two are not the same thing.
PtownBear1 said:Yogi Bear said:He is a good college coach until proven otherwise. He is not a good NFL coach. That has been established.NVBear78 said:GBear4Life said:
As far as I can tell, Kelly is unquestionably one of the best HCs in all of football at any level. He's an as*hole HC? That's not novel at all...
How is he one of the best Head Coaches in all of football given his record at UCLA last season and his last few years at Philly and when he was with the 49ers? How many years has it been since he had a winning record?
The two are not the same thing.
Saban, Carroll, Petrino, Riley, Spurrier, and I'm sure several other top college coaches who failed in the NFL would agree with you. Not sure why that concept is so hard to grasp for some.
Yogi Bear said:He is a good college coach until proven otherwise. He is not a good NFL coach. That has been established.NVBear78 said:GBear4Life said:
As far as I can tell, Kelly is unquestionably one of the best HCs in all of football at any level. He's an as*hole HC? That's not novel at all...
How is he one of the best Head Coaches in all of football given his record at UCLA last season and his last few years at Philly and when he was with the 49ers? How many years has it been since he had a winning record?
The two are not the same thing.
Ah you're right, he was 27-21 as an NFL HC before taking the SC job. Then again, the Chipster was 26-21 at Philly with one playoff appearance as well. He then went 2-14 with the 9ers, but not sure Bellichick would have done much better with that crappy team.TDub said:PtownBear1 said:Yogi Bear said:He is a good college coach until proven otherwise. He is not a good NFL coach. That has been established.NVBear78 said:GBear4Life said:
As far as I can tell, Kelly is unquestionably one of the best HCs in all of football at any level. He's an as*hole HC? That's not novel at all...
How is he one of the best Head Coaches in all of football given his record at UCLA last season and his last few years at Philly and when he was with the 49ers? How many years has it been since he had a winning record?
The two are not the same thing.
Saban, Carroll, Petrino, Riley, Spurrier, and I'm sure several other top college coaches who failed in the NFL would agree with you. Not sure why that concept is so hard to grasp for some.
FWIW Pete Carroll did not fail in the NFL. His first stint he made the playoffs. We know what he did at SC as well as post SC.
Look at what he did in Philly first couple of years. So the Eagles flatlined and regressed (look at his personnel and QB, yet see what he managed to do with Sanchez and Foles). Then he wins 3 games with the worst team in football, the 49ers. He arguably failed as a GM, but to say he isn't a good coach and strategist is to simply not be paying attention.NVBear78 said:GBear4Life said:
As far as I can tell, Kelly is unquestionably one of the best HCs in all of football at any level. He's an as*hole HC? That's not novel at all...
How is he one of the best Head Coaches in all of football given his record at UCLA last season and his last few years at Philly and when he was with the 49ers? How many years has it been since he had a winning record?
Just silly, just plain crazy. I guess it's faith, so by nature it's irrational, but to have more 'confidence' in 2 year HC with a below .500 record than a HC who turned Oregon into a national power in short order, turned it into an NFL gig where he did have some success is just silly. It really is.NVBear78 said:
Count me as one having more faith in Wilcox then the Chipster.
GBear4Life said:Just silly, just plain crazy. I guess it's faith, so by nature it's irrational, but to have more 'confidence' in 2 year HC with a below .500 record than a HC who turned Oregon into a national power in short order, turned it into an NFL gig where he did have some success is just silly. It really is.NVBear78 said:
Count me as one having more faith in Wilcox then the Chipster.
Yep. Which is not to say the zone-read can't work if run well. It's basically a staple in today's college game. But it is no longer the schematic advantage that it once was.Another Bear said:
Here's the thing, he won at Oregon with a system that everyone has caught up to.
Their advantage was executing to perfection AND the pace in which they played (15 seconds in between snaps). Those advantages still exist today.FuzzyWuzzy said:Yep. Which is not to say the zone-read can't work if run well. It's basically a staple in today's college game. But it is no longer the schematic advantage that it once was.Another Bear said:
Here's the thing, he won at Oregon with a system that everyone has caught up to.
Other than the substitution rule that was changed you're correct, however, that adjustment was the great equalizer.GBear4Life said:Their advantage was executing to perfection AND the pace in which they played (15 seconds in between snaps). Those advantages still exist today.FuzzyWuzzy said:Yep. Which is not to say the zone-read can't work if run well. It's basically a staple in today's college game. But it is no longer the schematic advantage that it once was.Another Bear said:
Here's the thing, he won at Oregon with a system that everyone has caught up to.