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Yes, Breida's TD was a scripted play, based on extensive film review of the Cleveland defense. Kittle's TD much later in the half was very likely not scripted, but certainly in the game plan and also based on extensive film review.

From my experience as a Pac-12 football player and long time high school coach, that is what coaches do. It has nothing to do with me being a fan. Growing up a Ram's fan in LA, I am not a die hard 49ers fan, but I can acknowledge good play calling when I see it, rather than simply argue with everyone that doesn't support my narrative.

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That's what you don't get. I like KS. His playcalling is reputable, beyond question. You can call the "right" play all day long, if they don't execute it, it doesn't make you a bad coach.

That part I agree with. I get it, but but proper execution of a good play call against the vulnerable part of a defense does not make it less than a good play call.

I took issue with several people after our game last week that Baldwin actually had some good play calls against the Ducks (not enough, unfortunately) which were not executed well and failed as a result. Doesn't mean they were not good play calls (or that we couldn't have used several more of them).

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That part I agree with. I get it, but but proper execution of a good play call against the vulnerable part of a defense does not make it less than a good play call.

I took issue with several people after our game last week that Baldwin actually had some good play calls against the Ducks (not enough, unfortunately) which were not executed well and failed as a result. Doesn't mean they were not good play calls (or that we couldn't have used several more of them).

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I'm actually open-minded to BB's culpability being higher than "normal". I just don't think that's clear, and I've noticed some play calls that make me scratch my head too. But from a non-fan perspective (like an adminstrator managing the program), I would need more information, like watching film and seeing him everyday, something only JW has.

So if JW, in his heart of hearts, stands by a guy who, in theory, is wetting the bed, then BB is the least of our problems. At bottom, that's what I'm saying -- I'm challenging the prevailing (and conflicting) narratives on JW and BB on this site.

I also think it's fair to assume that KS anticipated that particular base defense to open up the game. It's a good play call whether he's tackled by the safety after 15 yards or not.

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Is this team for reals or have they just played a bunch of crappy teams? Damn they look good though. Like Super Bowl good.

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Considering they just matched their win total from last year, I don't think it matters. I don't think anyone is expecting them to go to the Super Bowl.

If the Niners can run the ball consistently and their front 7 really is as good as they've "looked", there's no reason to think they aren't NFC champion contenders. The x factor appears to be Jimmy G.

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yeah the game plan was clear last night. "If we pound them for 10 yards a pop on the ground, let's keep doing it until they stop it"

What a genius!

Like if BB could run at will or pass at will or get them to execute with any level of consistency we wouldn't be talking about this.

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Sheez, it's called a game plan and it changes from game to game. Baldwin gives you the same tired plan every week.

Beardog26 said:

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That part I agree with. I get it, but but proper execution of a good play call against the vulnerable part of a defense does not make it less than a good play call.

I took issue with several people after our game last week that Baldwin actually had some good play calls against the Ducks (not enough, unfortunately) which were not executed well and failed as a result. Doesn't mean they were not good play calls (or that we couldn't have used several more of them).

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Yes, Baldwin occasionally calls good plays and usually when he does they are successful. In 2017, the wheel route to Laird was always wide open for a big play. Last year, play action pass to McMorris could get a good gain for a first down. When we do use playaction in running situations we often have the TEs wide open. The TD throw to Tonges against Ole Miss was a great play call leaving Tonges alone with no one in front of him.

The problem is we do those plays one or twice a game like they are trick plays, rather than making them a staple of the offense. It is like the plays are called out of a hat rather than with intent and purpose. We have some good plays with far too many head scratchers. We cannot waste so many plays and possessions and that is only more so if you think we lack playmakers.

Last year we threw to McMorris a total of 7 times in 13 games. 2 of those 7 catches were TDs. Most of the other 5 netted first downs. When McMorris would come in the game, the TV announcers would highlight his pancake blocks, usually springing Laird for a big gain. Now some try to defend Baldwin by saying McMorris didn't have "stamina" to be in more than a few plays a game which is complete BS. McMorris was the starter playing both ways for Mater Dei and even started on the basketball team-THAT takes stamina and endurance. He is a tremendous athlete and could have been a key weapon in our offense (as a blocker and receiver).

Oregon's defense is fast and aggressive. The way you beat a team like that is you use misdirection. Get them going fast the wrong way so they are out of position. The absolute worst thing you can do is a predictable, slow developing run play up the middle. Over and over again. (Then complain about player "execution"). Fake the run up the middle and then bootleg. I think we did that once for a nice completion. Do it until the defense adjusts. Throw in a counter (maybe a reverse). Get the defense to have to be more cautious and stop loading the box. The run up the middle will open up.

I had some additional thoughts today about the 49ers.
I think the defense is for real. Going back into preseason, the 49ers have allowed more than 20 points just once, and that was against the Chargers in the last preseason game when they gave up 27. They gave up 20 points against Pittsburgh after turning the ball over 5 times. Yes, Pittsburgh was without Rothlesberger but Mason Rudolph turned out to be half decent.

I also think the 49ers run game is for real, especially when Matt Breida is healthy. Even last year, when everyone was focused on Garrapolo, I kept hearing that Breida name during highlights of the game. Unfortunately he was injured along with Garrapolo.

Having said all of that, we fans tend to overblow a blowout. It was worth exactly 1 win of 16 games. It signified that the 49ers can dominate inferior teams, especially when they match up well against them. Clearly the 49ers dominated the line of scrimmage against the Browns, a common formula for a blowout. I don't think that will be the case next week. Nor will it be the case against Seattle and Green Bay. And the same can be said for New Orleans and maybe Baltimore. I think it is reasonable to expect the 49ers to get at least 9 wins and probably 10 on the season. And I think the 49ers are potential playoff contenders. But 49er fans will be able to gauge their playoff hopes much more accurately after the game next weekend.

If the 49ers go into LA and get a win, it will go a long way towards my believing that the 49ers are a playoff team.

This week's NFL Power Ratings:

49ers # 4
Rams # 7
Raiders # 17

The Niners and Raiders, perennial Bottom Dwelling Wankers, must be giddy.

It's nice to see the Raiders get some well needed victories if only to spite AB

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GBear4Life said:

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..When a team stuffs their run and Jimmy G is forced to win a game, I'll be convinced. ..

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Why so negative about the G Man?

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Not negative. The game scripts haven't called for him yet. Been inconsistent this year as well.

GBear4Life said:

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bearister said:

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GBear4Life said:

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..When a team stuffs their run and Jimmy G is forced to win a game, I'll be convinced. ..

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Why so negative about the G Man?

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Not negative. The game scripts haven't called for him yet. Been inconsistent this year as well.

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Short memory? I'm pimping you. Jimmy G sucks.

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bearister said:

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GBear4Life said:

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..When a team stuffs their run and Jimmy G is forced to win a game, I'll be convinced. ..

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Why so negative about the G Man?

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Not negative. The game scripts haven't called for him yet. Been inconsistent this year as well.

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Short memory? I'm pimping you. Jimmy G sucks.

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No I remember. I think your Niner haterism is clouding your perspective on AintNothinButAJimmyGthang.

His relatively small sample size justifies skepticism, I'm not sure how anybody can claim he "sucks". He's very talented. Between the ears I'm not sure about.

It was also either pay him or lose him. I believe they can cut bait after next year with little penalty if they want to go another direction

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bearister said:

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GBear4Life said:

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..When a team stuffs their run and Jimmy G is forced to win a game, I'll be convinced. ..

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Why so negative about the G Man?

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Not negative. The game scripts haven't called for him yet. Been inconsistent this year as well.

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I'd say the Pittsburgh game did and he came through.

That's just one game though.

The one thing I'm most concerned about is whether the run game suffers with Jusczyk out.

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GBear4Life said:

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bearister said:

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GBear4Life said:

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Why so negative about the G Man?

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Not negative. The game scripts haven't called for him yet. Been inconsistent this year as well.

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I'd say the Pittsburgh game did and he came through.

That's just one game though.

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In 2017 there were a few, IIRC too. And he answered the call IIRC.

I also can't figure out if they actually have quality WR depth or not.

I think they've thrown to their WRs less than anybody so far (so it seems).

I never liked Pettis, but I do like Debo and Goodwin, and I think those two should start. I think it's better to have quality depth 1-5 at WR than top heave with a star and four other mediocre WRs.

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sycasey said:

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GBear4Life said:

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bearister said:

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GBear4Life said:

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Why so negative about the G Man?

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Not negative. The game scripts haven't called for him yet. Been inconsistent this year as well.

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I'd say the Pittsburgh game did and he came through.

That's just one game though.

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In 2017 there were a few, IIRC too. And he answered the call IIRC.

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Yes, though that's with no real pressure as the team was out of the playoff race. The question is can he hold up against tough opponents when the team needs the win?

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Why so negative about the G Man?

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Not negative. The game scripts haven't called for him yet. Been inconsistent this year as well.

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I'd say the Pittsburgh game did and he came through.

That's just one game though.

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In 2017 there were a few, IIRC too. And he answered the call IIRC.

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Yes, though that's with no real pressure as the team was out of the playoff race. The question is can he hold up against tough opponents when the team needs the win?

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I agree. I just thought the 2017 performances were still notable, especially for somebody with bearister's perspective on JG.

GBear4Life said:

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I also can't figure out if they actually have quality WR depth or not.

I think they've thrown to their WRs less than anybody so far (so it seems).

I never liked Pettis, but I do like Debo and Goodwin, and I think those two should start. I think it's better to have quality depth 1-5 at WR than top heave with a star and four other mediocre WRs.

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Pettis had a brutal drop that might have gone for a TD against Cleveland.

This factor is mitigated by the fact that they are clearly very good at RB and TE, so there are still good options in the passing game.

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GBear4Life said:

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I also can't figure out if they actually have quality WR depth or not.

I think they've thrown to their WRs less than anybody so far (so it seems).

I never liked Pettis, but I do like Debo and Goodwin, and I think those two should start. I think it's better to have quality depth 1-5 at WR than top heave with a star and four other mediocre WRs.

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Pettis had a brutal drop that might have gone for a TD against Cleveland.

This factor is mitigated by the fact that they are clearly very good at RB and TE, so there are still good options in the passing game.

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I have always liked Breida and Coleman, but have you seen the wholes they've been running through?

The Niners are gonna beat the Rams this week i actually think pretty easily the rams defense is crap and without a decent rushing attacked Goff looks flawed. I forgot who said bosa isn't good but you're insane. Buckner is constantly putting outside guys in 1 on 1 situations a la Justin Smith. Every running back is productive. Jimmy G has been mediocre and they still are averaging 32 a game. List goes on.

How did the Niners O Line all of a sudden become so good? And their front seven? Or is it a mirage?

GBear4Life said:

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sycasey said:

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I also can't figure out if they actually have quality WR depth or not.

I think they've thrown to their WRs less than anybody so far (so it seems).

I never liked Pettis, but I do like Debo and Goodwin, and I think those two should start. I think it's better to have quality depth 1-5 at WR than top heave with a star and four other mediocre WRs.

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Pettis had a brutal drop that might have gone for a TD against Cleveland.

This factor is mitigated by the fact that they are clearly very good at RB and TE, so there are still good options in the passing game.

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I have always liked Breida and Coleman, but have you seen the wholes they've been running through?

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Breida was good before he got hurt last season too. He's just a good RB.

Notice misdirection works with a banged up OLINE. Too bad our clown of a OC doesn't get it

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The Niners are gonna beat the Rams this week i actually think pretty easily the rams defense is crap and without a decent rushing attacked Goff looks flawed. I forgot who said bosa isn't good but you're insane. Buckner is constantly putting outside guys in 1 on 1 situations a la Justin Smith. Every running back is productive. Jimmy G has been mediocre and they still are averaging 32 a game. List goes on.

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2 bitcoin on Rams. Goff is The Man, Jimmy G is a pu$$ie that likes porno cougars.

tim94501 said:

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Notice misdirection works with a banged up OLINE. Too bad our clown of a OC doesn't get it

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Seems overly simplistic as an explanation of specific phenomena. But maybe.

tim94501 said:

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Notice misdirection works with a banged up OLINE. Too bad our clown of a OC doesn't get it

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Note how many of the running plays specifically attack the edge. They may start like they're about to go up the middle, but then there is a counter to go around the edge. Then after that works and the defense expects it, they go up the middle.

Shanahan is a smart playcaller. It does help to have a RB with speed like Breida.

rams defense just gave up the entire booty at home to the buccaneers. Niners are averaging 32. The rams are gonna need 45 to beat the Niners and not a PRAYER they are putting 45 on that defense.

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rams defense just gave up the entire booty at home to the buccaneers. Niners are averaging 32. The rams are gonna need 45 to beat the Niners and not a PRAYER they are putting 45 on that defense.

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If only this was how things worked.

The Niners are in a tough division, we'll know if they're legit if they can hang with the Rams and Seahawks, starting Sunday.

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It's even easier to say that Jimmy G isn't very good, especially since it's true.

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