BIG GAME - take back what is ours game thread!

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mvargus said:

CALiforniALUM said:

Wilcox just announced that Baldwin is coming back.







Fingers crossed.
The Pac-12 network had an interesting point. In games where Chase Garbers started and played the whole game Cal was 4-0 (now 5-0) When he was injured at some point Cal was just 1-5.

It's easy to blame Baldwin, but the injury bug did have a huge impact. Cal also had 3 different QBs start a game this season. USC is the same, but they had the all around talent to avoid complete catastrophy due to that and have an 8-4 record. Stanford can't do better than 4-6 with their 3 different starters. It does make a huge difference.

So while I do think Baldwin makes some bad play calls, I also think we never saw him at his best this season due to the OL and QB injuries that really did have a huge impact.


Funny how before Garbers' injury people blamed Garbers for why the offense sucked and then afterwards they blamed the lack of Garbers for why the offense sucked.

Garbers is a good QB (so is Modster) but the QB position was never the problem. BEFORE Garbers' injury we were the #115 offense in the nation, last in the PAC-12, but yes 4-0. UCLA, Stanford and USC are collectively the worst they have been since Holmoe (or this century). The fact that we won those games does not make it a good offense. With an actual good offense we would be exploiting this opportunity to win the PAC-12 and finally get to the Rose Bowl.
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Pigskin Pete said:

m2bear said:

Game over.

See ya next year. Maybe Baldwin will have improved with a move from Wilcox to the RB's coach.
HAHA. **** you.


Just like it helped moving Tui from QB to Tight end coach. Very few catches were made by the TE this year.
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IdahoBear said:

Pigskin Pete said:

m2bear said:

Game over.

See ya next year. Maybe Baldwin will have improved with a move from Wilcox to the RB's coach.
HAHA. **** you.


Just like it helped moving Tui from QB to Tight end coach. Very few catches were made by the TE this year.
Very few? Josh Tonges has 9 catches, and is 4th on the team for yards receiving at 192. He actually has the best yards per catch average on the team.

Gavin Reinwald has 8 catches, but only for 92 yards. He did have a TD catch in the Furd game.

Yes, its only 17 catches (18 if you add in Freshman Collin Moore's one catch), but that's better than 10% of all catches as our QBs have combined for just 145 completions all year.
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calumnus said:

mvargus said:

CALiforniALUM said:

Wilcox just announced that Baldwin is coming back.







Fingers crossed.
The Pac-12 network had an interesting point. In games where Chase Garbers started and played the whole game Cal was 4-0 (now 5-0) When he was injured at some point Cal was just 1-5.

It's easy to blame Baldwin, but the injury bug did have a huge impact. Cal also had 3 different QBs start a game this season. USC is the same, but they had the all around talent to avoid complete catastrophy due to that and have an 8-4 record. Stanford can't do better than 4-6 with their 3 different starters. It does make a huge difference.

So while I do think Baldwin makes some bad play calls, I also think we never saw him at his best this season due to the OL and QB injuries that really did have a huge impact.


Funny how before Garbers' injury people blamed Garbers for why the offense sucked and then afterwards they blamed the lack of Garbers for why the offense sucked.

Garbers is a good QB (so is Modster) but the QB position was never the problem. BEFORE Garbers' injury we were the #115 offense in the nation, last in the PAC-12, but yes 4-0. UCLA, Stanford and USC are collectively the worst they have been since Holmoe (or this century). The fact that we won those games does not make it a good offense. With an actual good offense we would be exploiting this opportunity to win the PAC-12 and finally get to the Rose Bowl.
Our losses to USC and Utah had little to nothing to do with our offense. Or at least it wasn't just our offense. We had a huge problem on defense that both of those teams exploited ruthlessly.

And I never said that the offense was worldbusting. What is has been was erratic and frustrating. We'd see flashes of brilliance like the winning drive against Washington, the early play against Ole Miss, Modster taking over the game against WSU, etc. But then we'd get play like against ASU after Garber's injury and everyone screams that we have the worst offense in the nation.

At the start of the season I thought that Garbers was struggling mentally just a bit. He was too slow to make decisions and that was causing him to miss reads and make drive killing mistakes. However, at the UW game it was as if it clicked for a short time. He had the same swagger against Ole Miss early before the play calls killed the offense, and he was looking strong against ASU. He's had 2 games back and the first was against USC, which is a difficult assignment for any QB as they have more team speed than your average Pac-12 team. But you could see that he was getting the swagger back against Furd. It took time, but the 2 TD drives were solid. I expect him to be playing better next week.

I've said from the start of the season that the OL was having issues. You could see it from the start, but it became very obvious after Saffell went down with an injury during the 4 game slide. Cindric and Meattaur are going to be very good in a season or two, but without Saffell playing center between them, they had a ton of trouble with some of the little things they needed to do. But the only "starter" we don't get back is Bazakas, and we should see Gentle Williams and Will Craig return as well. If we can get a good spring practice session the OL should finally be able to open the holes for the RBs that will allow the offense to function much better.

But that is all conjecture. We need to wait for 2020 to see if I'm right and the early injury bug, as well as the near decimation of the OL to injury was as big an issue as I think it was.
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mvargus said:

IdahoBear said:

Pigskin Pete said:

m2bear said:

Game over.

See ya next year. Maybe Baldwin will have improved with a move from Wilcox to the RB's coach.
HAHA. **** you.


Just like it helped moving Tui from QB to Tight end coach. Very few catches were made by the TE this year.
Very few? Josh Tonges has 9 catches, and is 4th on the team for yards receiving at 192. He actually has the best yards per catch average on the team.

Gavin Reinwald has 8 catches, but only for 92 yards. He did have a TD catch in the Furd game.

Yes, its only 17 catches (18 if you add in Freshman Collin Moore's one catch), but that's better than 10% of all catches as our QBs have combined for just 145 completions all year.


That, and Baldwin's version of the spread typically does not utilize the TE. Then our top rated TE (Castles) quit the team and transferred early in the season.

Today Chase was under center a lot with a TE which allowed Brown to get a head of steam and allowed us to try running outside the tackles a bit (Brown is not fast enough for that and needs to look for cutback lanes). Tonges and Reinwald were key.

Stanford is able to go with 4 TE formations in short yardage, I'm not sure we even have 4 TEs.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the next offensive staff comes up with.
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Cal Strong! said:

Cal NOT WEAK!!!! Stanfurd WEAK!!! CAL STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilcox just earned another year . . . the STRONG way!!!
Why? For beating one of the worst teams in the conference?

Stop trying to make Cal WEAK.
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Those calling for Wilcox to be fired are a special kind of stupid.
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calumnus said:

mvargus said:

IdahoBear said:

Pigskin Pete said:

m2bear said:

Game over.

See ya next year. Maybe Baldwin will have improved with a move from Wilcox to the RB's coach.
HAHA. **** you.


Just like it helped moving Tui from QB to Tight end coach. Very few catches were made by the TE this year.
Very few? Josh Tonges has 9 catches, and is 4th on the team for yards receiving at 192. He actually has the best yards per catch average on the team.

Gavin Reinwald has 8 catches, but only for 92 yards. He did have a TD catch in the Furd game.

Yes, its only 17 catches (18 if you add in Freshman Collin Moore's one catch), but that's better than 10% of all catches as our QBs have combined for just 145 completions all year.


That, and Baldwin's version of the spread typically does not utilize the TE. Then our top rated TE (Castles) quit the team and transferred early in the season.

Today Chase was under center a lot with a TE which allowed Brown to get a head of steam and allowed us to try running outside the tackles a bit (Brown is not fast enough for that and needs to look for cutback lanes). Tonges and Reinwald were key.

Stanford is able to go with 4 TE formations in short yardage, I'm not sure we even have 4 TEs.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the next offensive staff comes up with.
Castles proved to have stone hands, and it was clear after the 5th game that Tonges was going to be the starter going forward. I hate that a highly rated recruit decided to move on, but Castles had dropped to #3 in the depth chart which is what drove him to transfer since Reinwald and Tonges were going to be around for 2 more seasons after this one.

I hate to see someone like him leave, but sometimes even a highly rated recruit is overtaken by a hard working less heralded recruit. And one thing I've seen with Wilcox since he came to Cal, he is very good at finding recruits who are 3 star based on their "measurables", but who prove to be extremely hard workers and can improve massively. (Evan Weaver is a great example, although he isn't a Wilcox recruit.)
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cubzwin said:

Those calling for Wilcox to be fired are a special kind of stupid.
lol why?

Because a win against a conference cellar dweller proves non-stupidity lol
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One thing I thought was that the pocket was a LOT cleaner than against say Utah or USC. A bunch of that is the difference in D talent....but also because the OL was doing things they didn't do against, for example, the Utes (they handed off stunters a LOT better today)
Take care of your Chicken
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GBear4Life said:

cubzwin said:

Those calling for Wilcox to be fired are a special kind of stupid.
lol why?

Because a win against a conference cellar dweller proves non-stupidity lol
If you can't enjoy a win against Stanford but instead stay in the perpetually miserable world of Wilcox sucks and BB is the anti-Christ maybe you need to find a new hobby and new cyber place to dwell.
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tequila4kapp said:

GBear4Life said:

cubzwin said:

Those calling for Wilcox to be fired are a special kind of stupid.
lol why?

Because a win against a conference cellar dweller proves non-stupidity lol
If you can't enjoy a win against Stanford but instead stay in the perpetually miserable world of Wilcox sucks and BB is the anti-Christ maybe you need to find a new hobby and new cyber place to dwell.

He doesn't even live in that world. Just the "Everyone else is dumb and I am the smart one" world. Whatever the prevailing opinion is, he'll find a way to be above it.
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IdahoBear said:


So satisfying to watch.
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mvargus said:

calumnus said:

mvargus said:

IdahoBear said:

Pigskin Pete said:

m2bear said:

Game over.

See ya next year. Maybe Baldwin will have improved with a move from Wilcox to the RB's coach.
HAHA. **** you.


Just like it helped moving Tui from QB to Tight end coach. Very few catches were made by the TE this year.
Very few? Josh Tonges has 9 catches, and is 4th on the team for yards receiving at 192. He actually has the best yards per catch average on the team.

Gavin Reinwald has 8 catches, but only for 92 yards. He did have a TD catch in the Furd game.

Yes, its only 17 catches (18 if you add in Freshman Collin Moore's one catch), but that's better than 10% of all catches as our QBs have combined for just 145 completions all year.


That, and Baldwin's version of the spread typically does not utilize the TE. Then our top rated TE (Castles) quit the team and transferred early in the season.

Today Chase was under center a lot with a TE which allowed Brown to get a head of steam and allowed us to try running outside the tackles a bit (Brown is not fast enough for that and needs to look for cutback lanes). Tonges and Reinwald were key.

Stanford is able to go with 4 TE formations in short yardage, I'm not sure we even have 4 TEs.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the next offensive staff comes up with.
Castles proved to have stone hands, and it was clear after the 5th game that Tonges was going to be the starter going forward. I hate that a highly rated recruit decided to move on, but Castles had dropped to #3 in the depth chart which is what drove him to transfer since Reinwald and Tonges were going to be around for 2 more seasons after this one.

I hate to see someone like him leave, but sometimes even a highly rated recruit is overtaken by a hard working less heralded recruit. And one thing I've seen with Wilcox since he came to Cal, he is very good at finding recruits who are 3 star based on their "measurables", but who prove to be extremely hard workers and can improve massively. (Evan Weaver is a great example, although he isn't a Wilcox recruit.)


Castles' drops were no worse than those of many other TEs and WRs, some over multiple years, a couple of whom were stars today. Players improve. We pay the coaches a lot of money to help them get better. It seems like there was more going on than simply losing the starting position less than two weeks into the season/school year.

Tonges is listed at 6'5 230 and Reinhold at 6'3 235 which would be "big WRs" in some systems.
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GBear4Life said:

Cal Strong! said:

Cal NOT WEAK!!!! Stanfurd WEAK!!! CAL STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilcox just earned another year . . . the STRONG way!!!
Why? For beating one of the worst teams in the conference?

Stop trying to make Cal WEAK.
GBear4Life posting WEAK today. But Cal not weak. Cal has the AXE!

No Cal coach can be fired the same year they beat stanfurd. Beating stanfurd the main reason for Cal having a football team.

Stop posting WEAK GBear4Life. Take hard look in the mirror. Be more like Cal . . . less like you.
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mvargus said:

calumnus said:

mvargus said:

IdahoBear said:

Pigskin Pete said:

m2bear said:

Game over.

See ya next year. Maybe Baldwin will have improved with a move from Wilcox to the RB's coach.
HAHA. **** you.


Just like it helped moving Tui from QB to Tight end coach. Very few catches were made by the TE this year.
Very few? Josh Tonges has 9 catches, and is 4th on the team for yards receiving at 192. He actually has the best yards per catch average on the team.

Gavin Reinwald has 8 catches, but only for 92 yards. He did have a TD catch in the Furd game.

Yes, its only 17 catches (18 if you add in Freshman Collin Moore's one catch), but that's better than 10% of all catches as our QBs have combined for just 145 completions all year.


That, and Baldwin's version of the spread typically does not utilize the TE. Then our top rated TE (Castles) quit the team and transferred early in the season.

Today Chase was under center a lot with a TE which allowed Brown to get a head of steam and allowed us to try running outside the tackles a bit (Brown is not fast enough for that and needs to look for cutback lanes). Tonges and Reinwald were key.

Stanford is able to go with 4 TE formations in short yardage, I'm not sure we even have 4 TEs.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the next offensive staff comes up with.
Castles proved to have stone hands, and it was clear after the 5th game that Tonges was going to be the starter going forward. I hate that a highly rated recruit decided to move on, but Castles had dropped to #3 in the depth chart which is what drove him to transfer since Reinwald and Tonges were going to be around for 2 more seasons after this one.

I hate to see someone like him leave, but sometimes even a highly rated recruit is overtaken by a hard working less heralded recruit. And one thing I've seen with Wilcox since he came to Cal, he is very good at finding recruits who are 3 star based on their "measurables", but who prove to be extremely hard workers and can improve massively. (Evan Weaver is a great example, although he isn't a Wilcox recruit.)
I assume that Castles was offered the option of converting to lb. Fraud seems able to convert te's with good effect. Wish him well.
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Bobodeluxe said:

LACalFan said:

socaltownie said:

There was no facemask
Must have been a Furd reporter asking that question ... is there such a thing?
It looked like a sure face mask from where I was, but I am told that the replay just exposed Mills as a weak runner, falling from a nothing hit.
Touching/brushing the face mask, even a momentary grab, is not a penalty. If the player's head moves to the side, it is. Players have now become skilled at jerking their heads around when they feel the mask being grasped. Calling face mask has become a judgment call. Mills just went down.
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Rushinbear said:

Bobodeluxe said:

LACalFan said:

socaltownie said:

There was no facemask
Must have been a Furd reporter asking that question ... is there such a thing?
It looked like a sure face mask from where I was, but I am told that the replay just exposed Mills as a weak runner, falling from a nothing hit.
Touching/brushing the face mask, even a momentary grab, is not a penalty. If the player's head moves to the side, it is. Players have now become skilled at jerking their heads around when they feel the mask being grasped. Calling face mask has become a judgment call. Mills just went down.
I don't think Mill's face mask was even grazed. It looked like Goode just grabbed his jersey around the chest area and threw him down.
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TheSouseFamily said:

Rally Comm BROUGHT IT! First of all, they dominated the stare-down. Wasn't even competitive. And once taking possession of the Axe, the protective formations were very impressive. You could tell they had done a lot of practice and gotten in some reps. Sure, they dropped it at one point but they maintained the formation and got it going again in no time. Hats off the Rally Comm.
It looked like "running with scissors", but with a much heavier sharp object, in a haphazardly linked huddle, with 120lb young women leading the wedge formation through a crowd... They really need to review that whole process, and go back to the transition we used to have in years past like in 1982, 1994 etc where the Axe was part of the celebration on the field.
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Cal Strong! said:

No Cal coach can be fired the same year they beat stanfurd.

Joe Kapp would not agree.
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Cal88 said:

TheSouseFamily said:

Rally Comm BROUGHT IT! First of all, they dominated the stare-down. Wasn't even competitive. And once taking possession of the Axe, the protective formations were very impressive. You could tell they had done a lot of practice and gotten in some reps. Sure, they dropped it at one point but they maintained the formation and got it going again in no time. Hats off the Rally Comm.
It looked like "running with scissors", but with a much heavier sharp object, in a haphazardly linked huddle, with 120lb young women leading the wedge formation through a crowd... They really need to review that whole process, and go back to the transition we used to have in years past like in 1982, 1994 etc where the Axe was part of the celebration on the field.


I was thoroughly impressed by the stare down of "Chemical Engineers of Cal" facing the hardened stares of the "Slippery Don Lawyers of Stanfurd". It would have only been better if there was a true smackdown face off with the Chems kicking the Dons in the jewels and running off with the axe.
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tequila4kapp said:

GBear4Life said:

cubzwin said:

Those calling for Wilcox to be fired are a special kind of stupid.
lol why?

Because a win against a conference cellar dweller proves non-stupidity lol
If you can't enjoy a win against Stanford but instead stay in the perpetually miserable world of Wilcox sucks and BB is the anti-Christ maybe you need to find a new hobby and new cyber place to dwell.


Just sit back and enjoy the big roller alumni wallets open up and give the program more $$$$$$$
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The coaches' press conferences are as good as advertised.

Theirs (also featuring "Aquaman" star Jason Momoa who apparently plays for furd)


Ours

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sycasey said:

Cal Strong! said:

No Cal coach can be fired the same year they beat stanfurd.

Joe Kapp would not agree.
There's a zipper caveat.
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drizzlybears brother said:

sycasey said:

Cal Strong! said:

No Cal coach can be fired the same year they beat stanfurd.

Joe Kapp would not agree.
There's a zipper caveat.
Also we went into the 1986 Big Game with a 1-9 record.
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Strykur said:

drizzlybears brother said:

sycasey said:

Cal Strong! said:

No Cal coach can be fired the same year they beat stanfurd.

Joe Kapp would not agree.
There's a zipper caveat.
Also we went into the 1986 Big Game with a 1-9 record.
... and was fired days before the game.
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I thought the WRs and TEs played their best games of the season yeasterday.
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tequila4kapp said:

I thought the WRs and TEs played their best games of the season yeasterday.
Yes and what timing! Trevon Clark has had some ups and downs this season, but where would we be today if he hadn't made that catch on the last drive?
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Big C said:

tequila4kapp said:

I thought the WRs and TEs played their best games of the season yeasterday.
Yes and what timing! Trevon Clark has had some ups and downs this season, but where would we be today if he hadn't made that catch on the last drive?
EPIC!!
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m2bear said:

bearister said:

How's our 2 minute drill?
I laughed.
Me too. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Just read the whole game thread this afternoon and loved your positive attitude throughout m2bear. Very nice.
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UrsineMaximus said:

Big C said:

tequila4kapp said:

I thought the WRs and TEs played their best games of the season yeasterday.
Yes and what timing! Trevon Clark has had some ups and downs this season, but where would we be today if he hadn't made that catch on the last drive?
EPIC!!


In rewatching the highlights I was struck by how much our win was due to just great individual performances on the part of our players on both sides of the ball. So many of our players had great even their best games.
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IdahoBear said:

Cal88 said:

TheSouseFamily said:

Rally Comm BROUGHT IT! First of all, they dominated the stare-down. Wasn't even competitive. And once taking possession of the Axe, the protective formations were very impressive. You could tell they had done a lot of practice and gotten in some reps. Sure, they dropped it at one point but they maintained the formation and got it going again in no time. Hats off the Rally Comm.
It looked like "running with scissors", but with a much heavier sharp object, in a haphazardly linked huddle, with 120lb young women leading the wedge formation through a crowd... They really need to review that whole process, and go back to the transition we used to have in years past like in 1982, 1994 etc where the Axe was part of the celebration on the field.


I was thoroughly impressed by the stare down of "Chemical Engineers of Cal" facing the hardened stares of the "Slippery Don Lawyers of Stanfurd". It would have only been better if there was a true smackdown face off with the Chems kicking the Dons in the jewels and running off with the axe.
Hey, I'm a Chem E from Cal and I resent this remark, I think.
 
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