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I'm not arguing for Kiesau or disagreeing with Joker here specifically, but I'm finding the board, including myself, funny here. We don't want an OC at a lower level. We don't want to promote a position coach from P-5. We don't want a position coach from the NFL. We don't want a current OC who is mediocre to above average. We don't want someone on the shelf.

So, Justin, go out and get a current OC at a P-5 school or from the NFL who is killing it and whom we can afford and who wants to come to Cal. No pressure.

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Addressing your points one by one.

• We could get an OC from a mid-major. But get someone whose team is consistently productive and isn't at a mid-major because the major conferences didn't want to hire him.
• Promoting a position coach from a P-5 team could work in theory, but I think in order to be able to do that, the head coach would need to be strong on the same side of the ball as that potential coordinator hire. Wilcox is not in a position to mentor a coordinator on the offensive side as he has zero expertise on that side of the ball. We need someone who can operate independently. And this is a high stakes hire. If the next guy isn't good, Wilcox is on the fast track back to being a DC.
• See above for position coach from the NFL.
• An above average OC could be a potential hire, but he better be consistently above average rather than just a guy who had a couple of outlier years.

So Justin, go out and get a current OC at a college whose offense is consistently good and is an excellent QB tutor. Doesn't have to have P-5 experience as a coordinator, but it would be nice.

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So we're not going triple option or empty. Glad we narrowed it down.

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Well, that comment was part of the larger comment about selecting a coordinator who fits our existing system/team. To me, that tells me that it probably isn't a Brennan Marion, for example.

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Am I missing something? Why would we not want the new oc to be the qb coach as well? Given that it doesn't look like new blood will be brought into the o coaching staff?

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I don't think I understand your comment, Rushinbear. I didn't hear anything regarding whether the new OC would be QB coach as well, nor anything that implied that the hire was from within the current staff...

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The guy who's leaving was the qb coach, taking over from someone else (apparently for a reason). So, the new guy needs to be a qb coach. Besides, most oc's are qb coaches, too, since that's the key position that pulls the trigger on the whole offense.

Otherwise, we'd have to hire a separate qb coach which I don't think we need to spend the $$ on.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

eric bieniemy ?

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So we're not going triple option or empty. Glad we narrowed it down.

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Well, that comment was part of the larger comment about selecting a coordinator who fits our existing system/team. To me, that tells me that it probably isn't a Brennan Marion, for example.

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Am I missing something? Why would we not want the new oc to be the qb coach as well? Given that it doesn't look like new blood will be brought into the o coaching staff?

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I don't think I understand your comment, Rushinbear. I didn't hear anything regarding whether the new OC would be QB coach as well, nor anything that implied that the hire was from within the current staff...

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The guy who's leaving was the qb coach, taking over from someone else (apparently for a reason). So, the new guy needs to be a qb coach. Besides, most oc's are qb coaches, too, since that's the key position that pulls the trigger on the whole offense.

Otherwise, we'd have to hire a separate qb coach which I don't think we need to spend the $$ on.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

Kiesau worked with Tedford twice at Cal, but when Tedford was deciding who to keep from the remaining TDR staff at fresno state, he passed on everybody including Kiesau.

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Professor Turgeson Bear said:

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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It's not my argument. I'm just saying that your example is horrible.

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So we're not going triple option or empty. Glad we narrowed it down.

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Well, that comment was part of the larger comment about selecting a coordinator who fits our existing system/team. To me, that tells me that it probably isn't a Brennan Marion, for example.

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Am I missing something? Why would we not want the new oc to be the qb coach as well? Given that it doesn't look like new blood will be brought into the o coaching staff?

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I don't think I understand your comment, Rushinbear. I didn't hear anything regarding whether the new OC would be QB coach as well, nor anything that implied that the hire was from within the current staff...

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The guy who's leaving was the qb coach, taking over from someone else (apparently for a reason). So, the new guy needs to be a qb coach. Besides, most oc's are qb coaches, too, since that's the key position that pulls the trigger on the whole offense.

Otherwise, we'd have to hire a separate qb coach which I don't think we need to spend the $$ on.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Kiesau worked with Tedford twice at Cal, but when Tedford was deciding who to keep from the remaining TDR staff at fresno state, he passed on everybody including Kiesau.

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Do we know that Kiesau wanted to stay at Fresno State? vs.go to Boise? Seems to me that BSU is a step UP from FSU. So, maybe Kiesau chose to leave. And, BSU has done just fine since he got there.

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heartofthebear said:

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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You're right, they had a horrible game tonight. But, every team has one of those every now and then. Even Cal - when we've been highly ranked. However, BSU has had fantastic seasons/records since Kiesau has been there - ranked in the top 25 - even after Petersen left (which I don't think many expected.) Also, according to the BSU football site, he has been the Co-OC there, not just the WR coach. I don't know. I think that he could be a really talented OC if given the opportunity - and he's close to/a known commodity for JW.

Obviously JW is going to hire the person he believes to be best suited for the job. And, I'll be excited no matter who he hires because I think JW is an excellent coach and knows what he's doing. Just trying to participate in the conversation.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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heartofthebear said:

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Pass on Kiesau please.
Retread extraordinaire.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

Y'all are giving me a headache lol

Who will be Cal's number 2 quarterback in 2020? Will it depend on the new OC's style of offense - does a certain type of scheme favor either Modster or Brasch or any of the others?

Hamdan got let go at UW....

When BB wins another natty at cal poly averaging 60 pts/gm in three years, we just rehire him.

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So we're not going triple option or empty. Glad we narrowed it down.

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Well, that comment was part of the larger comment about selecting a coordinator who fits our existing system/team. To me, that tells me that it probably isn't a Brennan Marion, for example.

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Am I missing something? Why would we not want the new oc to be the qb coach as well? Given that it doesn't look like new blood will be brought into the o coaching staff?

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I don't think I understand your comment, Rushinbear. I didn't hear anything regarding whether the new OC would be QB coach as well, nor anything that implied that the hire was from within the current staff...

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The guy who's leaving was the qb coach, taking over from someone else (apparently for a reason). So, the new guy needs to be a qb coach. Besides, most oc's are qb coaches, too, since that's the key position that pulls the trigger on the whole offense.

Otherwise, we'd have to hire a separate qb coach which I don't think we need to spend the $$ on.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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His record as an OC (ypp)
2012 Washington #101
2013 Washington #26
2026 Fresno State #125

So two horrible offenses and one very good?

That 2013 UW offense was #13 in total yards (260 per game passing 239 per game rushing) and was #18 in scoring (37.9 points per game). They played fast, #16 in plays per game.

Wilcox's defense was #20 in fewest yards per play, but #56 in fewest total yards surrendered and #28 in scoring defense (22.8 ppg).

Sagarin has them as the #6 team even though 9-3 on the season as all three losses were to Top 10 teams.

So that 2013 team would be a great model. The big questions: why did the offense suck in 2012 and at Fresno in 2016? How much of that 2013 success was Kiesau and how much was Sark? Wilcox should know the answers to those questions. My guess is if Kiesau comes, Tui goes back to QB coach.

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Bieniemy might get the Redskin HC job. He's not leaving KC for the Cal job.

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Bieniemy might get the Redskin HC job. He's not leaving KC for the Cal job.

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Yeah, another Walrus disciple, Matt Nagy, is trash. I swear just because somebody works for a great coach don't make him any more likely to be one.

Look at Nagy's playcalling and game planning for 3 years, what a joke.

But we're in this era where anybody who's held the nut sack of a hot coaching commodity (McVay, Walrus) is anointed.

oh well ... id rather coach at CAL than the redskins

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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I thought Kiesau came back to Cal around 2009 and helped coach the QBs.
OK, actually it was 2011 when he was passing game coordinator and helped coach the QBs.
The Cal offense wqs bad in general from 2010-2014, but they improved enough in 2011 to make a bowl. That was the one year that Keisau was at Cal.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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LOVE

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


*Most importantly, love you even more, HOB.

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heartofthebear said:

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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LOVE

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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I thought Kiesau came back to Cal around 2009 and helped coach the QBs.
OK, actually it was 2011 when he was passing game coordinator and helped coach the QBs.
The Cal offense wqs bad in general from 2010-2014, but they improved enough in 2011 to make a bowl. That was the one year that Keisau was at Cal.

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Yes! And, when EK got there, the team was already a fractured mess - and the QB he had the pleasure of working with was Zach Maynard. So...

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Bieniemy might get the Redskin HC job. He's not leaving KC for the Cal job.

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Yeah, another Walrus disciple, Matt Nagy, is trash. I swear just because somebody works for a great coach don't make him any more likely to be one.

Look at Nagy's playcalling and game planning for 3 years, what a joke.

But we're in this era where anybody who's held the nut sack of a hot coaching commodity (McVay, Walrus) is anointed.

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So you have two coach candidates to choose from. You know nothing about one except they were a position coach in the NFL. The other you know was a position coach under Andy Reid. I know which I would choose.

It makes no sense to think a professional in any industry gains no experiential benefit from working under a great manager than under an average or poor one. This is even more true when the profession revolves around instruction.

Ironically, though characteristically, you chose poorly in the two coaches you chose to make your point. Here is the entire list of current NFL HCs who coached under Reid or McVay (along with their career HC record):

John Harbaugh (116-74), won Super Bowl 47
Ron Rivera (76-63-1), lost Super Bowl 50
Doug Pederson (37-26), won Super Bowl 52
Sean McDermott (25-22)
Matt LaFleur (11-3)
Matt Nagy (19-12)
Zac Taylor (1-13)

Total: 285-213-1, two NFL titles, 30 total playoff games (17-13)

...a new OC ain't gonna save Cal......

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60 PPG in three years total? Yeah BB can do that. His 3 year total here was 69.4

Kiesau WEAK!

WEAK at Colorado . . . WEAK at Cal . . . WEAK at Fresno . . . WEAK at being strong.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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LOVE

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


*Most importantly, love you even more, HOB.

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He started one season at quarterback. I don't know or care why he didn't play more because the reason he didn't is irrelevant to the question of whether he can develop quarterbacks as you claim. His coaching record is.

You can love HOB for (as he frequently does) providing faulty information that backs up your claim, but you are both just wrong.

Eric Kiesau was hired as the Passing Game Coordinator/Wide Receivers coach at Cal in 2011. Upon his hire, Tedford said:

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He did a tremendous job in all aspects of coaching our wide receivers during his first stint at Cal, and he understands what we expect of both our coaches and players. Eric has a strong work ethic, and is an excellent teacher of the wide receiver position and all aspects of the game of football.

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Andy Ludwig left after the prior season. He had been OC/QB coach.

We replaced him with Jim Michalczik as OC/OL coach. Kiesau got the title of passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach. Marcus Arroyo was the quarterbacks coach brought in BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. If you and HotB are hanging your Kiesau as developer of quarterbacks on the development of Zach Maynard done while he was passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach under a head coach who had been a known developer of quarterbacks on a team with a quarterbacks coach, have fun with that.

He was hired as wide receivers coach at Boise and also made co-OC. He has been a wide receivers coach, and a darned good one, pretty much his whole career. His major accomplishments are all with wide receivers. No, I don't know that he never spent time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks any more than I don't know that Tosh Lupoi didn't spend time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks. I can't demonstrate that every assistant coach never did something outside their stated position on the team. Never said I could. You claimed he could develop quarterbacks. So far you have presented one year starting at QB many years ago, wide receivers coach and speculation that he could have been talking with Tedford about a position he doesn't coach as evidence. You say you can't draw firm conclusions about his ability to develop quarterbacks based on a record of never being responsible for developing quarterbacks, but you were the one that put forth the conclusion that he could. (I actually do think you can draw the conclusion in the same sense that I don't go to my plumber to have open heart surgery, but I guess my plumber could be a cardiac surgery savant - won't know until he tries).

I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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LOVE

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


*Most importantly, love you even more, HOB.

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He started one season at quarterback. I don't know or care why he didn't play more because the reason he didn't is irrelevant to the question of whether he can develop quarterbacks as you claim. His coaching record is.

You can love HOB for (as he frequently does) providing faulty information that backs up your claim, but you are both just wrong.

Eric Kiesau was hired as the Passing Game Coordinator/Wide Receivers coach at Cal in 2011. Upon his hire, Tedford said:

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He did a tremendous job in all aspects of coaching our wide receivers during his first stint at Cal, and he understands what we expect of both our coaches and players. Eric has a strong work ethic, and is an excellent teacher of the wide receiver position and all aspects of the game of football.

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Andy Ludwig left after the prior season. He had been OC/QB coach.

We replaced him with Jim Michalczik as OC/OL coach. Kiesau got the title of passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach. Marcus Arroyo was the quarterbacks coach brought in BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. If you and HotB are hanging your Kiesau as developer of quarterbacks on the development of Zach Maynard done while he was passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach under a head coach who had been a known developer of quarterbacks on a team with a quarterbacks coach, have fun with that.

He was hired as wide receivers coach at Boise and also made co-OC. He has been a wide receivers coach, and a darned good one, pretty much his whole career. His major accomplishments are all with wide receivers. No, I don't know that he never spent time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks any more than I don't know that Tosh Lupoi didn't spend time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks. I can't demonstrate that every assistant coach never did something outside their stated position on the team. Never said I could. You claimed he could develop quarterbacks. So far you have presented one year starting at QB many years ago, wide receivers coach and speculation that he could have been talking with Tedford about a position he doesn't coach as evidence. You say you can't draw firm conclusions about his ability to develop quarterbacks based on a record of never being responsible for developing quarterbacks, but you were the one that put forth the conclusion that he could. (I actually do think you can draw the conclusion in the same sense that I don't go to my plumber to have open heart surgery, but I guess my plumber could be a cardiac surgery savant - won't know until he tries).

I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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I was one who said that we need an OC who is also a QB coach. The last QB coach left and the one before him was reassigned to TEs. Now, we could get an OC whose position coaching strength is other than QB, but that would mean we'd still have to hire a QB coach. That's probably $$ that we don't need to spend.

Besides, since the QB is the one who runs the show on field, it makes further sense for the OC also to be the QB coach. That seems to be the model used in the plurality of cases. Must be a reason for it.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


*Most importantly, love you even more, HOB.

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He started one season at quarterback. I don't know or care why he didn't play more because the reason he didn't is irrelevant to the question of whether he can develop quarterbacks as you claim. His coaching record is.

You can love HOB for (as he frequently does) providing faulty information that backs up your claim, but you are both just wrong.

Eric Kiesau was hired as the Passing Game Coordinator/Wide Receivers coach at Cal in 2011. Upon his hire, Tedford said:

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He did a tremendous job in all aspects of coaching our wide receivers during his first stint at Cal, and he understands what we expect of both our coaches and players. Eric has a strong work ethic, and is an excellent teacher of the wide receiver position and all aspects of the game of football.

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Andy Ludwig left after the prior season. He had been OC/QB coach.

We replaced him with Jim Michalczik as OC/OL coach. Kiesau got the title of passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach. Marcus Arroyo was the quarterbacks coach brought in BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. If you and HotB are hanging your Kiesau as developer of quarterbacks on the development of Zach Maynard done while he was passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach under a head coach who had been a known developer of quarterbacks on a team with a quarterbacks coach, have fun with that.

He was hired as wide receivers coach at Boise and also made co-OC. He has been a wide receivers coach, and a darned good one, pretty much his whole career. His major accomplishments are all with wide receivers. No, I don't know that he never spent time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks any more than I don't know that Tosh Lupoi didn't spend time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks. I can't demonstrate that every assistant coach never did something outside their stated position on the team. Never said I could. You claimed he could develop quarterbacks. So far you have presented one year starting at QB many years ago, wide receivers coach and speculation that he could have been talking with Tedford about a position he doesn't coach as evidence. You say you can't draw firm conclusions about his ability to develop quarterbacks based on a record of never being responsible for developing quarterbacks, but you were the one that put forth the conclusion that he could. (I actually do think you can draw the conclusion in the same sense that I don't go to my plumber to have open heart surgery, but I guess my plumber could be a cardiac surgery savant - won't know until he tries).

I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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I was one who said that we need an OC who is also a QB coach. The last QB coach left and the one before him was reassigned to TEs. Now, we could get an OC whose position coaching strength is other than QB, but that would mean we'd still have to hire a QB coach. That's probably $$ that we don't need to spend.

Besides, since the QB is the one who runs the show on field, it makes further sense for the OC also to be the QB coach. That seems to be the model used in the plurality of cases. Must be a reason for it.

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I think there is an advantage to it, but it isn't a necessity.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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LOVE

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


*Most importantly, love you even more, HOB.

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He started one season at quarterback. I don't know or care why he didn't play more because the reason he didn't is irrelevant to the question of whether he can develop quarterbacks as you claim. His coaching record is.

You can love HOB for (as he frequently does) providing faulty information that backs up your claim, but you are both just wrong.

Eric Kiesau was hired as the Passing Game Coordinator/Wide Receivers coach at Cal in 2011. Upon his hire, Tedford said:

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He did a tremendous job in all aspects of coaching our wide receivers during his first stint at Cal, and he understands what we expect of both our coaches and players. Eric has a strong work ethic, and is an excellent teacher of the wide receiver position and all aspects of the game of football.

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Andy Ludwig left after the prior season. He had been OC/QB coach.

We replaced him with Jim Michalczik as OC/OL coach. Kiesau got the title of passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach. Marcus Arroyo was the quarterbacks coach brought in BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. If you and HotB are hanging your Kiesau as developer of quarterbacks on the development of Zach Maynard done while he was passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach under a head coach who had been a known developer of quarterbacks on a team with a quarterbacks coach, have fun with that.

He was hired as wide receivers coach at Boise and also made co-OC. He has been a wide receivers coach, and a darned good one, pretty much his whole career. His major accomplishments are all with wide receivers. No, I don't know that he never spent time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks any more than I don't know that Tosh Lupoi didn't spend time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks. I can't demonstrate that every assistant coach never did something outside their stated position on the team. Never said I could. You claimed he could develop quarterbacks. So far you have presented one year starting at QB many years ago, wide receivers coach and speculation that he could have been talking with Tedford about a position he doesn't coach as evidence. You say you can't draw firm conclusions about his ability to develop quarterbacks based on a record of never being responsible for developing quarterbacks, but you were the one that put forth the conclusion that he could. (I actually do think you can draw the conclusion in the same sense that I don't go to my plumber to have open heart surgery, but I guess my plumber could be a cardiac surgery savant - won't know until he tries).

I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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Yikes, Oaktown. I'm genuinely, very sorry for whatever is stressing you out. I wish you a calm, relaxing, peaceful, wonderful holiday season.

To respond to a few points you made: EK started 3 years in college. I guess you don't consider CC play as "college" play/experience - so then Aaron Rodgers only played 2 years in college, and JJA only 2 and Jordan K...etc. I see it differently.

I did not provide speculation that Tedford was mentoring me regarding working with the QBs. It is something I know to be true. But, whatever. The bottom line is EVERYONE is speculating about who would do a great job as an OC at Cal. I did not realize we have a certain threshold regarding evidence to participate in a thread.

Let me repeat: Every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

I did say that EK's background as having played QB may mean he could do a wonderful job developing QBs - and I still believe that to be true.

I also said that, "coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach)." So...I don't think we disagree there. Do we?

****Most importantly, I made the comment, to Joker regarding Kiesau's past as a QB in college in order to be playful with Joker. I don't think one needs to be able to work directly with the QB to be a good OC. And I don't think that the position EK played in college matters much either. BOTH are points on which we seem to agree.

You stated, "I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC." Fantastic, we agree there too.

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RUSHINBEAR - Joker, also made that point re: wanting an OC that can mentor the QBs. So, obviously, there are many posters that think it to be a good idea. Maybe Tui could go back to working with the QBs? (which would save money) Or, has he not done well in that capacity?

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I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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I was one who said that we need an OC who is also a QB coach. The last QB coach left and the one before him was reassigned to TEs. Now, we could get an OC whose position coaching strength is other than QB, but that would mean we'd still have to hire a QB coach. That's probably $$ that we don't need to spend.

Besides, since the QB is the one who runs the show on field, it makes further sense for the OC also to be the QB coach. That seems to be the model used in the plurality of cases. Must be a reason for it.

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I think there is an advantage to it, but it isn't a necessity.

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I like it because I think the key to a good college offense is that it's QB friendly. An OC that is also a QB coach IMO has a higher likelihood of having his QB understand the offense well.