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Wanna make a friendly wager on that?

Two coaches are leaving after the bowl game, why wouldn't two new coaches be hired?

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


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He started one season at quarterback. I don't know or care why he didn't play more because the reason he didn't is irrelevant to the question of whether he can develop quarterbacks as you claim. His coaching record is.

You can love HOB for (as he frequently does) providing faulty information that backs up your claim, but you are both just wrong.

Eric Kiesau was hired as the Passing Game Coordinator/Wide Receivers coach at Cal in 2011. Upon his hire, Tedford said:

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Andy Ludwig left after the prior season. He had been OC/QB coach.

We replaced him with Jim Michalczik as OC/OL coach. Kiesau got the title of passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach. Marcus Arroyo was the quarterbacks coach brought in BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. If you and HotB are hanging your Kiesau as developer of quarterbacks on the development of Zach Maynard done while he was passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach under a head coach who had been a known developer of quarterbacks on a team with a quarterbacks coach, have fun with that.

He was hired as wide receivers coach at Boise and also made co-OC. He has been a wide receivers coach, and a darned good one, pretty much his whole career. His major accomplishments are all with wide receivers. No, I don't know that he never spent time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks any more than I don't know that Tosh Lupoi didn't spend time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks. I can't demonstrate that every assistant coach never did something outside their stated position on the team. Never said I could. You claimed he could develop quarterbacks. So far you have presented one year starting at QB many years ago, wide receivers coach and speculation that he could have been talking with Tedford about a position he doesn't coach as evidence. You say you can't draw firm conclusions about his ability to develop quarterbacks based on a record of never being responsible for developing quarterbacks, but you were the one that put forth the conclusion that he could. (I actually do think you can draw the conclusion in the same sense that I don't go to my plumber to have open heart surgery, but I guess my plumber could be a cardiac surgery savant - won't know until he tries).

I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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To respond to a few points you made: EK started 3 years in college. I guess you don't consider CC play as "college" play/experience - so then Aaron Rodgers only played 2 years in college, and JJA only 2 and Jordan K...etc. I see it differently.

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I did not provide speculation that Tedford was mentoring me regarding working with the QBs. It is something I know to be true. But, whatever. The bottom line is EVERYONE is speculating about who would do a great job as an OC at Cal. I did not realize we have a certain threshold regarding evidence to participate in a thread.

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If you have been mentored by Jeff Tedford regarding working with QB's, you would know more than I could personally know about your own personal history. I'm going to assume this is some weird typo and that you are not Eric Kiesau since it would be highly pathetic and I would argue disqualifying for a coach to anonymously post on a school board lobbying for himself. I don't believe he would be so pathetic, but I'd advise for his sake that you edit this because I know others are not so charitable.

Of course everyone is speculating about who would be a good OC and you have a right to your speculation and I have a right to my opinion that playing a year in college doesn't make one a quarterback mentor. My opinion on Eric Kiesau is this:

There is a ton of evidence that he is an excellent WR coach. I would love him in that roll

He has some experience as OC. It is mixed. As far as I'm concerned, Wilcox knows him better than I do. If Wilcox sees something in him, it is his job to hire the guy he thinks is best.

There is zero evidence that Eric Kiesau can develop QB's.

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I also said that, "coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach)." So...I don't think we disagree there. Do we?

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Actually, I think we do disagree. I don't see "he's never tried it before" as meaning "it is possible he could do it". Okay, yes, in the sense that it is possible I could develop QB's. And yes, I think he'd have a better chance than I do, but if a guy has never done it and you want him to try for the first time at a Power 5 school, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

I know people move positions. Frankly, I think it is more rare for a non-QB coach to become one at high major level, but yes people move positions. You cited his playing in college 18 years ago as a reason. I gave my opinion that it isn't a good reason.

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I did say that EK's background as having played QB may mean he could do a wonderful job developing QBs - and I still believe that to be true.


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I'm not lobbying for or against. Like with Troy Taylor, I don't think the suggestion is stupid. It has some logic. I wouldn't feel one way or the other about it. It is up to Wilcox. There are some choices I'd be really happy with and some I wouldn't. I expect to not be particularly either when the choice is announces and if it were either Taylor or Kiesau, that is how I would react.

If its Kiesau, we damned well better get a QB coach.

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Two of the three offensive coaches have already left. That leaves three, Greatwood, Tui and Toler. Given the definition of "a lot" is greater than "a couple", are you suggesting that all three of the remaining offensive will be relieved of their duties? If so, I think you are wrong....

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Two of the three offensive coaches have already left. That leaves three, Greatwood, Tui and Toler. Given the definition of "a lot" is greater than "a couple", are you suggesting that all three of the remaining offensive will be relieved of their duties? If so, I think you are wrong....

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


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He started one season at quarterback. I don't know or care why he didn't play more because the reason he didn't is irrelevant to the question of whether he can develop quarterbacks as you claim. His coaching record is.

You can love HOB for (as he frequently does) providing faulty information that backs up your claim, but you are both just wrong.

Eric Kiesau was hired as the Passing Game Coordinator/Wide Receivers coach at Cal in 2011. Upon his hire, Tedford said:

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Andy Ludwig left after the prior season. He had been OC/QB coach.

We replaced him with Jim Michalczik as OC/OL coach. Kiesau got the title of passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach. Marcus Arroyo was the quarterbacks coach brought in BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. If you and HotB are hanging your Kiesau as developer of quarterbacks on the development of Zach Maynard done while he was passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach under a head coach who had been a known developer of quarterbacks on a team with a quarterbacks coach, have fun with that.

He was hired as wide receivers coach at Boise and also made co-OC. He has been a wide receivers coach, and a darned good one, pretty much his whole career. His major accomplishments are all with wide receivers. No, I don't know that he never spent time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks any more than I don't know that Tosh Lupoi didn't spend time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks. I can't demonstrate that every assistant coach never did something outside their stated position on the team. Never said I could. You claimed he could develop quarterbacks. So far you have presented one year starting at QB many years ago, wide receivers coach and speculation that he could have been talking with Tedford about a position he doesn't coach as evidence. You say you can't draw firm conclusions about his ability to develop quarterbacks based on a record of never being responsible for developing quarterbacks, but you were the one that put forth the conclusion that he could. (I actually do think you can draw the conclusion in the same sense that I don't go to my plumber to have open heart surgery, but I guess my plumber could be a cardiac surgery savant - won't know until he tries).

I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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I did not provide speculation that Tedford was mentoring me regarding working with the QBs. It is something I know to be true. But, whatever. The bottom line is EVERYONE is speculating about who would do a great job as an OC at Cal. I did not realize we have a certain threshold regarding evidence to participate in a thread.

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If you have been mentored by Jeff Tedford regarding working with QB's, you would know more than I could personally know about your own personal history. I'm going to assume this is some weird typo and that you are not Eric Kiesau since it would be highly pathetic and I would argue disqualifying for a coach to anonymously post on a school board lobbying for himself. I don't believe he would be so pathetic, but I'd advise for his sake that you edit this because I know others are not so charitable.

Of course everyone is speculating about who would be a good OC and you have a right to your speculation and I have a right to my opinion that playing a year in college doesn't make one a quarterback mentor. My opinion on Eric Kiesau is this:

There is a ton of evidence that he is an excellent WR coach. I would love him in that roll

He has some experience as OC. It is mixed. As far as I'm concerned, Wilcox knows him better than I do. If Wilcox sees something in him, it is his job to hire the guy he thinks is best.

There is zero evidence that Eric Kiesau can develop QB's.

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I also said that, "coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach)." So...I don't think we disagree there. Do we?

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Actually, I think we do disagree. I don't see "he's never tried it before" as meaning "it is possible he could do it". Okay, yes, in the sense that it is possible I could develop QB's. And yes, I think he'd have a better chance than I do, but if a guy has never done it and you want him to try for the first time at a Power 5 school, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

I know people move positions. Frankly, I think it is more rare for a non-QB coach to become one at high major level, but yes people move positions. You cited his playing in college 18 years ago as a reason. I gave my opinion that it isn't a good reason.

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So you have now 3 times said you think playing QB in college means he could do a wonderful job developing QB's and twice said you were just playing with Joker. I don't know what to make of that. We agree that you don't need to be a QB coach to be a good OC. There have been tons of good OC's who weren't QB coaches. I would be perfectly fine with a WR coach being OC.

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You stated, "I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC." Fantastic, we agree there too.

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I'm not lobbying for or against. Like with Troy Taylor, I don't think the suggestion is stupid. It has some logic. I wouldn't feel one way or the other about it. It is up to Wilcox. There are some choices I'd be really happy with and some I wouldn't. I expect to not be particularly either when the choice is announces and if it were either Taylor or Kiesau, that is how I would react.

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Sorry, Oaktown. You sound particularly angry. I hope all is well. I will have a wonderful holiday, thank you!

I'm not trying to build a Supreme Court case - or to "shred" anyone else's ideas. I'm just providing my opinion - you can disagree. That's perfectly fine with me.

I am not EK, you are 100% correct about that. To anyone that thought I was claiming to be EK, my sincerest apologies.

I understand that you and/or some websites don't consider CC to be "college experience" - or, relevant to one's abilities to coach. I disagree. I wouldn't consider CJA less knowledgeable or qualified to coach college RBs than, say, Joe Igber. But, again, I'm fine having a different opinion than you.

I, too, trust JW to hire the person that he believes will be the best OC for the team.

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Two of the three offensive coaches have already left. That leaves three, Greatwood, Tui and Toler. Given the definition of "a lot" is greater than "a couple", are you suggesting that all three of the remaining offensive will be relieved of their duties? If so, I think you are wrong....

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Your post reflects my opinion on all points. Quite frankly, I think Wilcox has had someone in mind for quite some time.

My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

God rest ye, merry gentlemen, let nothing you dismay
Remember our OC savior is coming any day
To save us all from Cheez-It bowls and Redboxes gone astray
O, tidings of Offense and Joy,
Offense and Joy
O, tidings of Offense and Joy!

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


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He started one season at quarterback. I don't know or care why he didn't play more because the reason he didn't is irrelevant to the question of whether he can develop quarterbacks as you claim. His coaching record is.

You can love HOB for (as he frequently does) providing faulty information that backs up your claim, but you are both just wrong.

Eric Kiesau was hired as the Passing Game Coordinator/Wide Receivers coach at Cal in 2011. Upon his hire, Tedford said:

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He did a tremendous job in all aspects of coaching our wide receivers during his first stint at Cal, and he understands what we expect of both our coaches and players. Eric has a strong work ethic, and is an excellent teacher of the wide receiver position and all aspects of the game of football.

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Andy Ludwig left after the prior season. He had been OC/QB coach.

We replaced him with Jim Michalczik as OC/OL coach. Kiesau got the title of passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach. Marcus Arroyo was the quarterbacks coach brought in BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. If you and HotB are hanging your Kiesau as developer of quarterbacks on the development of Zach Maynard done while he was passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach under a head coach who had been a known developer of quarterbacks on a team with a quarterbacks coach, have fun with that.

He was hired as wide receivers coach at Boise and also made co-OC. He has been a wide receivers coach, and a darned good one, pretty much his whole career. His major accomplishments are all with wide receivers. No, I don't know that he never spent time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks any more than I don't know that Tosh Lupoi didn't spend time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks. I can't demonstrate that every assistant coach never did something outside their stated position on the team. Never said I could. You claimed he could develop quarterbacks. So far you have presented one year starting at QB many years ago, wide receivers coach and speculation that he could have been talking with Tedford about a position he doesn't coach as evidence. You say you can't draw firm conclusions about his ability to develop quarterbacks based on a record of never being responsible for developing quarterbacks, but you were the one that put forth the conclusion that he could. (I actually do think you can draw the conclusion in the same sense that I don't go to my plumber to have open heart surgery, but I guess my plumber could be a cardiac surgery savant - won't know until he tries).

I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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I find that people who have their arguments shredded tend to go to the "wow you are really stressed out card" right before trying to respond. You have a good holiday too.

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To respond to a few points you made: EK started 3 years in college. I guess you don't consider CC play as "college" play/experience - so then Aaron Rodgers only played 2 years in college, and JJA only 2 and Jordan K...etc. I see it differently.

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I did not provide speculation that Tedford was mentoring me regarding working with the QBs. It is something I know to be true. But, whatever. The bottom line is EVERYONE is speculating about who would do a great job as an OC at Cal. I did not realize we have a certain threshold regarding evidence to participate in a thread.

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If you have been mentored by Jeff Tedford regarding working with QB's, you would know more than I could personally know about your own personal history. I'm going to assume this is some weird typo and that you are not Eric Kiesau since it would be highly pathetic and I would argue disqualifying for a coach to anonymously post on a school board lobbying for himself. I don't believe he would be so pathetic, but I'd advise for his sake that you edit this because I know others are not so charitable.

Of course everyone is speculating about who would be a good OC and you have a right to your speculation and I have a right to my opinion that playing a year in college doesn't make one a quarterback mentor. My opinion on Eric Kiesau is this:

There is a ton of evidence that he is an excellent WR coach. I would love him in that roll

He has some experience as OC. It is mixed. As far as I'm concerned, Wilcox knows him better than I do. If Wilcox sees something in him, it is his job to hire the guy he thinks is best.

There is zero evidence that Eric Kiesau can develop QB's.

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Let me repeat: Every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

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I never said I disagree. I said there is no reason to believe he can develop QB's See above for my overall opinion. If you cited his great work with WR's as evidence of him possibly being a good OC, I wouldn't disagree.

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I also said that, "coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach)." So...I don't think we disagree there. Do we?

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Actually, I think we do disagree. I don't see "he's never tried it before" as meaning "it is possible he could do it". Okay, yes, in the sense that it is possible I could develop QB's. And yes, I think he'd have a better chance than I do, but if a guy has never done it and you want him to try for the first time at a Power 5 school, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

I know people move positions. Frankly, I think it is more rare for a non-QB coach to become one at high major level, but yes people move positions. You cited his playing in college 18 years ago as a reason. I gave my opinion that it isn't a good reason.

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I did say that EK's background as having played QB may mean he could do a wonderful job developing QBs - and I still believe that to be true.


****Most importantly, I made the comment, to Joker regarding Kiesau's past as a QB in college in order to be playful with Joker. I don't think one needs to be able to work directly with the QB to be a good OC. And I don't think that the position EK played in college matters much either. BOTH are points on which we seem to agree.

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So you have now 3 times said you think playing QB in college means he could do a wonderful job developing QB's and twice said you were just playing with Joker. I don't know what to make of that. We agree that you don't need to be a QB coach to be a good OC. There have been tons of good OC's who weren't QB coaches. I would be perfectly fine with a WR coach being OC.

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You stated, "I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC." Fantastic, we agree there too.

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I'm not lobbying for or against. Like with Troy Taylor, I don't think the suggestion is stupid. It has some logic. I wouldn't feel one way or the other about it. It is up to Wilcox. There are some choices I'd be really happy with and some I wouldn't. I expect to not be particularly either when the choice is announces and if it were either Taylor or Kiesau, that is how I would react.

If its Kiesau, we damned well better get a QB coach.

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Sorry, Oaktown. You sound particularly angry. I hope all is well. I will have a wonderful holiday, thank you!

I'm not trying to build a Supreme Court case - or to "shred" anyone else's ideas. I'm just providing my opinion - you can disagree. That's perfectly fine with me.

I am not EK, you are 100% correct about that. To anyone that thought I was claiming to be EK, my sincerest apologies.

I understand that you and/or some websites don't consider CC to be "college experience" - or, relevant to one's abilities to coach. I disagree. I wouldn't consider CJA less knowledgeable or qualified to coach college RBs than, say, Joe Igber. But, again, I'm fine having a different opinion than you.

I, too, trust JW to hire the person that he believes will be the best OC for the team.

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You wouldn't get comments like your argument being shredded if you would stop the belittling with the "you sound angry" stuff when people are just discussing a point with you. Frankly, having to resort to ad hominem arguments like that just lowers most people's opinion of you. I'm not angry.

I wouldn't think much about either CJA's or Joe Igber's coaching qualifications since they don't have any. Joe Igber played 4 years in college. CJA played 2. I bet CJA would say the same.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


*Most importantly, love you even more, HOB.

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He started one season at quarterback. I don't know or care why he didn't play more because the reason he didn't is irrelevant to the question of whether he can develop quarterbacks as you claim. His coaching record is.

You can love HOB for (as he frequently does) providing faulty information that backs up your claim, but you are both just wrong.

Eric Kiesau was hired as the Passing Game Coordinator/Wide Receivers coach at Cal in 2011. Upon his hire, Tedford said:

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He did a tremendous job in all aspects of coaching our wide receivers during his first stint at Cal, and he understands what we expect of both our coaches and players. Eric has a strong work ethic, and is an excellent teacher of the wide receiver position and all aspects of the game of football.

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Andy Ludwig left after the prior season. He had been OC/QB coach.

We replaced him with Jim Michalczik as OC/OL coach. Kiesau got the title of passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach. Marcus Arroyo was the quarterbacks coach brought in BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. If you and HotB are hanging your Kiesau as developer of quarterbacks on the development of Zach Maynard done while he was passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach under a head coach who had been a known developer of quarterbacks on a team with a quarterbacks coach, have fun with that.

He was hired as wide receivers coach at Boise and also made co-OC. He has been a wide receivers coach, and a darned good one, pretty much his whole career. His major accomplishments are all with wide receivers. No, I don't know that he never spent time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks any more than I don't know that Tosh Lupoi didn't spend time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks. I can't demonstrate that every assistant coach never did something outside their stated position on the team. Never said I could. You claimed he could develop quarterbacks. So far you have presented one year starting at QB many years ago, wide receivers coach and speculation that he could have been talking with Tedford about a position he doesn't coach as evidence. You say you can't draw firm conclusions about his ability to develop quarterbacks based on a record of never being responsible for developing quarterbacks, but you were the one that put forth the conclusion that he could. (I actually do think you can draw the conclusion in the same sense that I don't go to my plumber to have open heart surgery, but I guess my plumber could be a cardiac surgery savant - won't know until he tries).

I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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Yikes, Oaktown. I'm genuinely, very sorry for whatever is stressing you out. I wish you a calm, relaxing, peaceful, wonderful holiday season.

To respond to a few points you made: EK started 3 years in college. I guess you don't consider CC play as "college" play/experience - so then Aaron Rodgers only played 2 years in college, and JJA only 2 and Jordan K...etc. I see it differently.

I did not provide speculation that Tedford was mentoring me regarding working with the QBs. It is something I know to be true. But, whatever. The bottom line is EVERYONE is speculating about who would do a great job as an OC at Cal. I did not realize we have a certain threshold regarding evidence to participate in a thread.

Let me repeat: Every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

I did say that EK's background as having played QB may mean he could do a wonderful job developing QBs - and I still believe that to be true.

I also said that, "coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach)." So...I don't think we disagree there. Do we?

****Most importantly, I made the comment, to Joker regarding Kiesau's past as a QB in college in order to be playful with Joker. I don't think one needs to be able to work directly with the QB to be a good OC. And I don't think that the position EK played in college matters much either. BOTH are points on which we seem to agree.

You stated, "I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC." Fantastic, we agree there too.

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RUSHINBEAR - Joker, also made that point re: wanting an OC that can mentor the QBs. So, obviously, there are many posters that think it to be a good idea. Maybe Tui could go back to working with the QBs? (which would save money) Or, has he not done well in that capacity?

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Socalie, I'm not sure what your underlying message was toward me, especially in all caps. So, let me just say that if you reread my comments you will see that I introduced by admitting that I am one who thinks this way. FWIW, I was perhaps one of the very first who brought it up when the serious possibility of BB's departure was raised. In fact, these points have been discussed in previous times - we used to have a designation - Booth! - when someone appeared to repeat a conclusion arrived at by others previously. Those who have read my comments in the past would be hard pressed, I think, to conclude that I was trying to take credit for anything, especially for observations previously made by others. I might support them, but don't recall Boothing anyone.

As to Tui, I was only trying to jump the idea that he had been our qb coach and, therefore, could resume that role again. I don't know if he's a good qb coach or not. I was reminding everyone (and telling everyone who hadn't read these threads) that he had been our qb coach and had been reassigned when BB took over. I took that to mean, in light of the qbs performances, that he could have done better and that BB would do better. I'm trying just to report the facts, not cast aspersions.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


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He started one season at quarterback. I don't know or care why he didn't play more because the reason he didn't is irrelevant to the question of whether he can develop quarterbacks as you claim. His coaching record is.

You can love HOB for (as he frequently does) providing faulty information that backs up your claim, but you are both just wrong.

Eric Kiesau was hired as the Passing Game Coordinator/Wide Receivers coach at Cal in 2011. Upon his hire, Tedford said:

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He did a tremendous job in all aspects of coaching our wide receivers during his first stint at Cal, and he understands what we expect of both our coaches and players. Eric has a strong work ethic, and is an excellent teacher of the wide receiver position and all aspects of the game of football.

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Andy Ludwig left after the prior season. He had been OC/QB coach.

We replaced him with Jim Michalczik as OC/OL coach. Kiesau got the title of passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach. Marcus Arroyo was the quarterbacks coach brought in BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. If you and HotB are hanging your Kiesau as developer of quarterbacks on the development of Zach Maynard done while he was passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach under a head coach who had been a known developer of quarterbacks on a team with a quarterbacks coach, have fun with that.

He was hired as wide receivers coach at Boise and also made co-OC. He has been a wide receivers coach, and a darned good one, pretty much his whole career. His major accomplishments are all with wide receivers. No, I don't know that he never spent time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks any more than I don't know that Tosh Lupoi didn't spend time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks. I can't demonstrate that every assistant coach never did something outside their stated position on the team. Never said I could. You claimed he could develop quarterbacks. So far you have presented one year starting at QB many years ago, wide receivers coach and speculation that he could have been talking with Tedford about a position he doesn't coach as evidence. You say you can't draw firm conclusions about his ability to develop quarterbacks based on a record of never being responsible for developing quarterbacks, but you were the one that put forth the conclusion that he could. (I actually do think you can draw the conclusion in the same sense that I don't go to my plumber to have open heart surgery, but I guess my plumber could be a cardiac surgery savant - won't know until he tries).

I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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Yikes, Oaktown. I'm genuinely, very sorry for whatever is stressing you out. I wish you a calm, relaxing, peaceful, wonderful holiday season.

To respond to a few points you made: EK started 3 years in college. I guess you don't consider CC play as "college" play/experience - so then Aaron Rodgers only played 2 years in college, and JJA only 2 and Jordan K...etc. I see it differently.

I did not provide speculation that Tedford was mentoring me regarding working with the QBs. It is something I know to be true. But, whatever. The bottom line is EVERYONE is speculating about who would do a great job as an OC at Cal. I did not realize we have a certain threshold regarding evidence to participate in a thread.

Let me repeat: Every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

I did say that EK's background as having played QB may mean he could do a wonderful job developing QBs - and I still believe that to be true.

I also said that, "coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach)." So...I don't think we disagree there. Do we?

****Most importantly, I made the comment, to Joker regarding Kiesau's past as a QB in college in order to be playful with Joker. I don't think one needs to be able to work directly with the QB to be a good OC. And I don't think that the position EK played in college matters much either. BOTH are points on which we seem to agree.

You stated, "I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC." Fantastic, we agree there too.

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RUSHINBEAR - Joker, also made that point re: wanting an OC that can mentor the QBs. So, obviously, there are many posters that think it to be a good idea. Maybe Tui could go back to working with the QBs? (which would save money) Or, has he not done well in that capacity?

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Socalie, I'm not sure what your underlying message was toward me, especially in all caps. So, let me just say that if you reread my comments you will see that I introduced by admitting that I am one who thinks this way. FWIW, I was perhaps one of the very first who brought it up when the serious possibility of BB's departure was raised. In fact, these points have been discussed in previous times - we used to have a designation - Booth! - when someone appeared to repeat a conclusion arrived at by others previously. Those who have read my comments in the past would be hard pressed, I think, to conclude that I was trying to take credit for anything, especially for observations previously made by others. I might support them, but don't recall Boothing anyone.

As to Tui, I was only trying to jump the idea that he had been our qb coach and, therefore, could resume that role again. I don't know if he's a good qb coach or not. I was reminding everyone (and telling everyone who hadn't read these threads) that he had been our qb coach and had been reassigned when BB took over. I took that to mean, in light of the qbs performances, that he could have done better and that BB would do better. I'm trying just to report the facts, not cast aspersions.

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RushinBear, the only reason I put your name in all caps was to differentiate the little note at the end of my post that was directed towards you vs. Oaktown. Sorry if that seemed like I was yelling! And, when I said that "obviously many posters agree" - I meant that you may well be totally right - that your opinion appears to be heavily supported here - unlike mine. (Not that you're trying to take credit for anything!)

With respect to Tui, I was offering a hypothetical (based on your post above re: hiring an additional person to coach the QBs if the OC wasn't a QB coach) - and wondering what your thoughts were on it. So, I was wondering if, instead of having to hire another person to coach the QBs (if EK were brought in as OC) - that maybe Tui could go back to QBs? But, I have seen a lot of criticism of Tui's work with the QBs on this board. So, I was thinking people may not be happy with that move at all. Just wondering what your thoughts were on that.

I will have to go back and reread my posts to see why my posts in this thread may be coming off as anything other than light-hearted ideas/opinions.

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Eric Keisau would make sense for all of those reasons and more. However, I think many here would see that hire as underwhelming.

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Because....it is underwhelming? When a coach of almost 20 years experience is at Boise State, his career is trending down, not up, and he's only a co-offensive coordinator there. His 2013 Washington offense was pretty good, but that's about as much as I can recommend him.

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Wasn't Chris Petersen at Boise St. and then trended up at Washington until recently? I'm pretty sure he had years of experience before Boise St., but I'll look it up. I suppose Troy Taylor is trending down because he went from Utah to Sac. State. Coaches have complicated motives for choosing locations. Boise, for example, is a nice town, I've heard. And cost of living is much lower than the bay area. He might want to come here though in order to reunite with Wilcox. We'll see.

Okay, I looked it up, Chris Petersen had been coaching for 26 years at the college level when he left Boise St. for Washington. What's the diff?

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You're seriously asking me what the difference is between Chris Petersen and Eric Kiesau?

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That's just it you are saying that Chris Petersen could not possibly be any good because nobody whose been coaching at the college level for 20+ years and is at Boise St. could be any good. It is not the people I was addressing, it is your logic, or lack thereof.

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You are twisting that logic to its breaking point. One guy was winning BCS games as a head coach against P5 schools and the other is an assistant coach at a mid-major because his services are not in demand at the P5 level.

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well, we will know in a week one way another. At this point your argument against Keisau isn't very impressive because you really haven't studied him. Keisau had two stints at Cal, both times the offense improved. When he left, the offense got worse both times. He has had two stints with Wilcox, one at Cal and one at Washington. So they know each other. He is a proponent of the balanced offense. He would be a logical hire and isn't washed up just because he is at Boise St.

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Me too. LOVE. One game isn't necessarily a statement on anything, but i'm sure not enthusiastic about Kiesau based on what I saw tonight.

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Oh...and Joker...one more thing that I LOVE is that Kiesau played QB in college. So, he may do a wonderful job of developing the QBs.

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Kiesau has been a coach for 18 years. What he played in college is irrelevant at this point. There is no may. He is what he is. Which is a wide receiver coach not a QB coach. He has been a good wide receiver coach. He has never been a QB coach. He may be a perfectly fine OC if given another chance, but you thinking he can develop QB because he played a year in college makes me start to think you haven't looked into his record very deeply.

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Kiesau played QB in college for 3 years - and was unable to complete playing one of the years (which would have been his 4th year). If you knew more about his "record" - you'd know why.

Let's be real, every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

Do you know how much time he spent with JT - learning from him - when JT worked with our QB's?

Also, coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach).

Moreover, I only mentioned EK's past as a QB to playfully respond to my friend, Joker, who had listed "development of QBs" as one of his criterion for OC. So, clmate.


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He started one season at quarterback. I don't know or care why he didn't play more because the reason he didn't is irrelevant to the question of whether he can develop quarterbacks as you claim. His coaching record is.

You can love HOB for (as he frequently does) providing faulty information that backs up your claim, but you are both just wrong.

Eric Kiesau was hired as the Passing Game Coordinator/Wide Receivers coach at Cal in 2011. Upon his hire, Tedford said:

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Andy Ludwig left after the prior season. He had been OC/QB coach.

We replaced him with Jim Michalczik as OC/OL coach. Kiesau got the title of passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach. Marcus Arroyo was the quarterbacks coach brought in BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. If you and HotB are hanging your Kiesau as developer of quarterbacks on the development of Zach Maynard done while he was passing game coordinator/wide receivers coach under a head coach who had been a known developer of quarterbacks on a team with a quarterbacks coach, have fun with that.

He was hired as wide receivers coach at Boise and also made co-OC. He has been a wide receivers coach, and a darned good one, pretty much his whole career. His major accomplishments are all with wide receivers. No, I don't know that he never spent time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks any more than I don't know that Tosh Lupoi didn't spend time with Jeff Tedford working with quarterbacks. I can't demonstrate that every assistant coach never did something outside their stated position on the team. Never said I could. You claimed he could develop quarterbacks. So far you have presented one year starting at QB many years ago, wide receivers coach and speculation that he could have been talking with Tedford about a position he doesn't coach as evidence. You say you can't draw firm conclusions about his ability to develop quarterbacks based on a record of never being responsible for developing quarterbacks, but you were the one that put forth the conclusion that he could. (I actually do think you can draw the conclusion in the same sense that I don't go to my plumber to have open heart surgery, but I guess my plumber could be a cardiac surgery savant - won't know until he tries).

I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC. I wasn't the one who said we need a QB coach to be OC, nor do I believe it. You said he may do a wonderful job developing QB's because he played in college. I merely said what position he played in college is irrelevant when you have an 18 year coaching record coaching a different position.

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I find that people who have their arguments shredded tend to go to the "wow you are really stressed out card" right before trying to respond. You have a good holiday too.

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To respond to a few points you made: EK started 3 years in college. I guess you don't consider CC play as "college" play/experience - so then Aaron Rodgers only played 2 years in college, and JJA only 2 and Jordan K...etc. I see it differently.

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Google Aaron Rodgers college stats and see if you get Butte College in there. No JC is not college.football. It is JUNIOR college football.

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I did not provide speculation that Tedford was mentoring me regarding working with the QBs. It is something I know to be true. But, whatever. The bottom line is EVERYONE is speculating about who would do a great job as an OC at Cal. I did not realize we have a certain threshold regarding evidence to participate in a thread.

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If you have been mentored by Jeff Tedford regarding working with QB's, you would know more than I could personally know about your own personal history. I'm going to assume this is some weird typo and that you are not Eric Kiesau since it would be highly pathetic and I would argue disqualifying for a coach to anonymously post on a school board lobbying for himself. I don't believe he would be so pathetic, but I'd advise for his sake that you edit this because I know others are not so charitable.

Of course everyone is speculating about who would be a good OC and you have a right to your speculation and I have a right to my opinion that playing a year in college doesn't make one a quarterback mentor. My opinion on Eric Kiesau is this:

There is a ton of evidence that he is an excellent WR coach. I would love him in that roll

He has some experience as OC. It is mixed. As far as I'm concerned, Wilcox knows him better than I do. If Wilcox sees something in him, it is his job to hire the guy he thinks is best.

There is zero evidence that Eric Kiesau can develop QB's.

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Let me repeat: Every single person here is talking about how someone MAY do as our new OC. I believe EKs playing and, more specifically, his coaching background to be impressive. I understand that you disagree.

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I never said I disagree. I said there is no reason to believe he can develop QB's See above for my overall opinion. If you cited his great work with WR's as evidence of him possibly being a good OC, I wouldn't disagree.

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I also said that, "coaches are often moved to coach different positions - positions that they haven't coached before - much like Tui and Toler did. So, I don't think we can draw any firm conclusions about EKs ability to develop QBs based on the fact that his past job titles have only been WR/passing game coordinator or Co-OC (or even interim head coach)." So...I don't think we disagree there. Do we?

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Actually, I think we do disagree. I don't see "he's never tried it before" as meaning "it is possible he could do it". Okay, yes, in the sense that it is possible I could develop QB's. And yes, I think he'd have a better chance than I do, but if a guy has never done it and you want him to try for the first time at a Power 5 school, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

I know people move positions. Frankly, I think it is more rare for a non-QB coach to become one at high major level, but yes people move positions. You cited his playing in college 18 years ago as a reason. I gave my opinion that it isn't a good reason.

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I did say that EK's background as having played QB may mean he could do a wonderful job developing QBs - and I still believe that to be true.


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So you have now 3 times said you think playing QB in college means he could do a wonderful job developing QB's and twice said you were just playing with Joker. I don't know what to make of that. We agree that you don't need to be a QB coach to be a good OC. There have been tons of good OC's who weren't QB coaches. I would be perfectly fine with a WR coach being OC.

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You stated, "I never said Kiesau might not be a good OC." Fantastic, we agree there too.

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I'm not lobbying for or against. Like with Troy Taylor, I don't think the suggestion is stupid. It has some logic. I wouldn't feel one way or the other about it. It is up to Wilcox. There are some choices I'd be really happy with and some I wouldn't. I expect to not be particularly either when the choice is announces and if it were either Taylor or Kiesau, that is how I would react.

If its Kiesau, we damned well better get a QB coach.

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Sorry, Oaktown. You sound particularly angry. I hope all is well. I will have a wonderful holiday, thank you!

I'm not trying to build a Supreme Court case - or to "shred" anyone else's ideas. I'm just providing my opinion - you can disagree. That's perfectly fine with me.

I am not EK, you are 100% correct about that. To anyone that thought I was claiming to be EK, my sincerest apologies.

I understand that you and/or some websites don't consider CC to be "college experience" - or, relevant to one's abilities to coach. I disagree. I wouldn't consider CJA less knowledgeable or qualified to coach college RBs than, say, Joe Igber. But, again, I'm fine having a different opinion than you.

I, too, trust JW to hire the person that he believes will be the best OC for the team.

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You wouldn't get comments like your argument being shredded if you would stop the belittling with the "you sound angry" stuff when people are just discussing a point with you. Frankly, having to resort to ad hominem arguments like that just lowers most people's opinion of you. I'm not angry.

I wouldn't think much about either CJA's or Joe Igber's coaching qualifications since they don't have any. Joe Igber played 4 years in college. CJA played 2. I bet CJA would say the same.

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Oaktown, I'm not on this board to try to shred anyone's opinion on anything. Just giving my own opinions. And, I'm sorry if it felt "belittling" for me to say that your post sounded angry. I'm not trying to belittle you any way - it just truly seems like you're nitpicking, taking things too literally - and your tone sounds angry to me. Reminds me of my dad/grandfather when he is/they are annoyed.

For instance, when I gave the example of CJA vs. Joe Igber - it was assuming the fact that both were coaches - with experience coaching in college. In other words, if we were looking at them as potential RB coaches - I would not look at CJA's 2 years in a CC as less important or relevant - or that he was less qualified to coach RBs - than, say, Joe Igber, just because Joe went straight to Cal (vs. a JC). That's all. And, to be honest, I think you know that -- which is an example of why your response sounds nitpicky/angry to me. However, if that wasn't clear to you, then I apologize.

Also, I'm not worried about people's opinions of me on this board. Is that something we have to do here? I'm just following a Cal sports board for fun, and, with the exception of the posts about sexual harassment (as accused by that woman) and the stupid "pound the beavers" thread - I am making light-hearted contributions - and enjoying the different thoughts, ideas and opinions expressed by my fellow Cal fans.

Based on RushinBear's message to me, I am thinking that the ideas/messages I am trying to convey may be coming across aggressively - or something. So, I will take a look at that - and try to fix that - I don't want anyone to mistake the tone of my posts. Whether you do the same is up to you.

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I think my post was misunderstood. I was saying that hiring a new QB coach wouldn't necessarily cost more (i.e., add a coach), since I suspect a new OC would be replacing some of the current assistants. I don't know how many, but I doubt that Wilcox would demand that a new coach retain all of a previous coordinator's assistants.

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Actually, in your initial post, you did not say "some", you said "a lot". There is a big difference between those words. As noted, only three offensive coaches remain on staff. Therefore, replacing "a lot" is a rather significant comment. It is ok to admit mistakes. Heck, I am talking about the error of my ways re: comments I made about retaining Holmoe nearly 20 years ago.....

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Two of the three offensive coaches have already left. That leaves three, Greatwood, Tui and Toler. Given the definition of "a lot" is greater than "a couple", are you suggesting that all three of the remaining offensive will be relieved of their duties? If so, I think you are wrong....

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Didn't quite understand what "two out of three" meant, but, we had five offensive coaches this year. Two are going to Cal Poly. The other three need new contracts if they are returning. Of the other 3, I would rate the likelihood of their returning in this order: Greatwood, Toler, Tuiasosopo.

OaktownBear never has a second cup of coffee at home. No wonder he's a bit jittery.

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

It's been four days since this thread has been up. Let's see... ten minus four is six... today is the 23rd... if we get to the 30th and still no OC hire -- even with the minor distraction of a bowl game that day -- it's going to be something special, to watch some folks here go into meltdown mode about the "delay".

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It's been four days since this thread has been up. Let's see... ten minus four is six... today is the 23rd... if we get to the 30th and still no OC hire -- even with the minor distraction of a bowl game that day -- it's going to be something to watch some folks here go into meltdown mode about the "delay".

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, [bold]candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed[/bold], budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, [bold]candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed[/bold], budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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WTAF?

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It's hard to find Inuit offensive coordinators

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LOL. True. Much easier to just be offensive.

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PtownBear1 said:

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calumnus said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, [bold]candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed[/bold], budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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WTAF?

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It's hard to find Inuit offensive coordinators

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NASCAR, Formula 1, 100 meter dash, 800 meters, steeplechase, Boston Marathon, etc...

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calumnus said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be...

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I cannot believe recruits could keep such a secret. Too many people would know, it would have been tweeted somewhere.

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PtownBear1 said:

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calumnus said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be...

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I cannot believe recruits could keep such a secret. Too many people would know, it would have been tweeted somewhere.

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I would not want one of my first moves to be double crossing Wilcox.

I'm here to get shredded like all y'all. Don't get angry and don't misunderstand me.

To be called an OKG, you must be able to keep a secret.

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calumnus said:

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dimitrig said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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calumnus said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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PtownBear1 said:

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calumnus said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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I would be very surprised, but then again, won't be the first time.