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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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It's been four days since this thread has been up. Let's see... ten minus four is six... today is the 23rd... if we get to the 30th and still no OC hire -- even with the minor distraction of a bowl game that day -- it's going to be something to watch some folks here go into meltdown mode about the "delay".

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I'm inclined to think that the announcement won't be made before the game so as not to distract from the bowl game itself.

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Give it a coupla days after.

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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That's simply a reporters' opinion:

".... announcement that appeared to be a drastic reversal from only two days prior, though the school claims it had been in the works for nearly a week".

I believe Knowlton played his cards very close to his vest and simply managed different people's (donors) expectations by telling them what he thought they needed to hear at the time. Nowhere do I ever remember Knowlton publicly backing Jones or saying he was going to retain him. Don't believe everything you read, especially from the Chronicle....

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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How do you or the author know this? There is a lot to complain about the process (see Socal's numerous posts), but at no time was Jones actually told he was being rehired, nor was anyone else to my knowledge and you don't go out and hire a search firm when you are planning to keep the coach (or at least made a decision to keep him). This narrative that Knowlton had a "rehired Jones" started with a tweet from a guy at the Oregonian that Jones was being retained, which was utter BS, but was repeated which is what the "new" media now does (recall the infamous Tedford is being retained by Wilner). The media then reversed course and said that wasn't true (probably after being told by Cal they already hired a seraph firm). But yet, the Comical doubled down with several more articles about retaining Jones, and was left to say Knowlton must have reversed himself. But there are many articles that said Knowlton had never made the decision to retain Jones (Sports Illustrated, the Merc, CGB, USA Today, etc.) that simply say the opposite. As for the donor BS invented by the Comical, several articles include the prior hiring of the search firm and a quote from Knowlton in his announcement that "Some supporters and alums urged [Knowlton] to give Jones one more season, but in the end, I have to make good decisions for our program."

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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A clear case of don't believe everything you read.

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PtownBear1 said:

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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A clear case of don't believe everything you read.

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And a clear case of "believe what you want to believe..."

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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A clear case of don't believe everything you read.

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And a clear case of "believe what you want to believe..."

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Agreed, but perhaps not in the way you intended.

Am I in the basketball forum and just don't know it ?

Why does 10 days feel like a month?

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Why does 10 days feel like a month?

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Seriously, it's only been 6 days since the OP.

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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A clear case of don't believe everything you read.

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Cal's rebuttal was it was in work for over a week?

Besides, Knowlton said his first interview was with DeCuire after the NCAA Tournament. Fox was announced less than a week after Montana lost in Iowa. Assuming Knowlton interviews Travis when he gets back to Montana two days later, then interviews Fox after that....that means the announcement of Fox's hire came only a few days after Fox was interviewed. Fox did not leave Berkeley after the interview. It happened fast. No way an OC takes longer than a men's basketball HC. The only way the whole thing could have been in the works for more than a week is if the story of interviewing DeCuire was a lie...which is it?

I suspect--with no inside knowledge--that if an OC has been chosen, JW is holding back to avoid stealing thunder so to speak from the bowl game hype.

Thunder.

Sounds as if you enjoy finding conspiracy theories under every rock...

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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A clear case of don't believe everything you read.

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Cal's rebuttal was it was in work for over a week?

Besides, Knowlton said his first interview was with DeCuire after the NCAA Tournament. Fox was announced less than a week after Montana lost in Iowa. Assuming Knowlton interviews Travis when he gets back to Montana two days later, then interviews Fox after that....that means the announcement of Fox's hire came only a few days after Fox was interviewed. Fox did not leave Berkeley after the interview. It happened fast. No way an OC takes longer than a men's basketball HC. The only way the whole thing could have been in the works for more than a week is if the story of interviewing DeCuire was a lie...which is it?

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The idea that a process began before the first interview is...logical?

More importantly: Happy Holidays to you and all of the BI family!

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I suspect--with no inside knowledge--that if an OC has been chosen, JW is holding back to avoid stealing thunder so to speak from the bowl game hype.

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That could be right. Depends on when the guy was selected (assuming that has occurred) and when they at least have contract terms. I'm not operating under any direct inside knowledge, but more the Wilcox's TV comments, BearGreg's comments, and the bird that ate the canary look Wilcox gives reporters when they ask.

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calumnus said:

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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A clear case of don't believe everything you read.

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Cal's rebuttal was it was in work for over a week?

Besides, Knowlton said his first interview was with DeCuire after the NCAA Tournament. Fox was announced less than a week after Montana lost in Iowa. Assuming Knowlton interviews Travis when he gets back to Montana two days later, then interviews Fox after that....that means the announcement of Fox's hire came only a few days after Fox was interviewed. Fox did not leave Berkeley after the interview. It happened fast. No way an OC takes longer than a men's basketball HC. The only way the whole thing could have been in the works for more than a week is if the story of interviewing DeCuire was a lie...which is it?

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The idea that a process began before the first interview is...logical?

More importantly: Happy Holidays to you and all of the BI family!

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The process of hiring Fox, negotiating contacts, getting approvals for his hire, before he was interviewed is not logical. We know that Baldwin has been let go, he signed contracts with Cal Poly (also State of California) quickly. I am 100% certain "Cal administrative delay" is NOT the reason for the 10 day wait. I am 90% sure it is because of his other commitments, that his current team's season is not over and he does not want to be a distraction. It could also be that Wilcox wants Baldwin to coach in the bowl game and thinks it would be a distraction or disrespectful.

Also, 10 days is pretty specific.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah everyone!

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wifeisafurd said:

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calumnus said:

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calumnus said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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calumnus said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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A clear case of don't believe everything you read.

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Cal's rebuttal was it was in work for over a week?

Besides, Knowlton said his first interview was with DeCuire after the NCAA Tournament. Fox was announced less than a week after Montana lost in Iowa. Assuming Knowlton interviews Travis when he gets back to Montana two days later, then interviews Fox after that....that means the announcement of Fox's hire came only a few days after Fox was interviewed. Fox did not leave Berkeley after the interview. It happened fast. No way an OC takes longer than a men's basketball HC. The only way the whole thing could have been in the works for more than a week is if the story of interviewing DeCuire was a lie...which is it?

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The idea that a process began before the first interview is...logical?

More importantly: Happy Holidays to you and all of the BI family!

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The process of hiring Fox, negotiating contacts, getting approvals for his hire, before he was interviewed is not logical. We know that Baldwin has been let go, he signed contracts with Cal Poly (also State of California) quickly. I am 100% certain "Cal administrative delay" is NOT the reason for the 10 day wait. I am 90% sure it is because of his other commitments, that his current team's season is not over and he does not want to be a distraction. It could also be that Wilcox wants Baldwin to coach in the bowl game and thinks it would be a distraction or disrespectful.

Also, 10 days is pretty specific.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah everyone!

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The Fox hiring process was weird, and people are still trying to figure it out. Just ask SoCal. What I can tell you is that the narrative that Jones was rehired and Knowlton changed his mind due to donor dissent is not accurate and figment of some reporter's imagination.

I'm guessing (for no reason other than Cal history) that 10 days is an estimate. My other experience with Cal is it seems that every decision suffers from "Cal administrate delay." Call me a cynic. Maybe with Christ and Knowlton on board that has changed.

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The process of hiring Fox, negotiating contacts, getting approvals for his hire, before he was interviewed is not logical. We know that Baldwin has been let go, he signed contracts with Cal Poly (also State of California) quickly. I am 100% certain "Cal administrative delay" is NOT the reason for the 10 day wait. I am 90% sure it is because of his other commitments, that his current team's season is not over and he does not want to be a distraction. It could also be that Wilcox wants Baldwin to coach in the bowl game and thinks it would be a distraction or disrespectful.

Also, 10 days is pretty specific.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah everyone!

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The Fox hiring process was weird, and people are still trying to figure it out. Just ask SoCal. What I can tell you is that the narrative that Jones was rehired and Knowlton changed his mind due to donor dissent is not accurate and figment of some reporter's imagination.

I'm guessing (for no reason other than Cal history) that 10 days is an estimate. My other experience with Cal is it seems that every decision suffers from "Cal administrate delay." Call me a cynic. Maybe with Christ and Knowlton on board that has changed.

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What you can tell us is the same thing that you always tell us - administrative spin. Knowlton didn't plan on firing Wyking. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling you a bag of goods for their own purposes.

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The process of hiring Fox, negotiating contacts, getting approvals for his hire, before he was interviewed is not logical. We know that Baldwin has been let go, he signed contracts with Cal Poly (also State of California) quickly. I am 100% certain "Cal administrative delay" is NOT the reason for the 10 day wait. I am 90% sure it is because of his other commitments, that his current team's season is not over and he does not want to be a distraction. It could also be that Wilcox wants Baldwin to coach in the bowl game and thinks it would be a distraction or disrespectful.

Also, 10 days is pretty specific.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah everyone!

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The Fox hiring process was weird, and people are still trying to figure it out. Just ask SoCal. What I can tell you is that the narrative that Jones was rehired and Knowlton changed his mind due to donor dissent is not accurate and figment of some reporter's imagination.

I'm guessing (for no reason other than Cal history) that 10 days is an estimate. My other experience with Cal is it seems that every decision suffers from "Cal administrate delay." Call me a cynic. Maybe with Christ and Knowlton on board that has changed.

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What you can tell us is the same thing that you always tell us - administrative spin. Knowlton didn't plan on firing Wyking. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling you a bag of goods for their own purposes.

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Even if he did plan on getting rid of Jones before he did, all the insiders swear he interviewed DeCuire first, right after Montana lost in Iowa (on Saturday March 21), at best when Travis got back to Montana on Monday. Fox was interviewed sometime after that in Berkeley and then announced as the new coach with a press conference almost immediately after (the 26th). And that was in the middle of a highly publicized sexual harassment complaint against the football staff that came out when Jones was fired and with the alleged victim on the Today Show the 27th. If Knowlton could get the multimillion Jones buyout and even larger Fox contract through that fast and in that environment, you'd think letting an OC contract lapse and hiring a replacement would be nothing.

The point is only that Wilcox is almost certainly keeping it mum for other reasons.

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Fyght4Cal said:

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calumnus said:

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BearinOC said:

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calumnus said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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calumnus said:

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My guess is we're going to be underwhelmed with Wilcox's OC hire, but we'll be pleasantly surprised with the results. Sort of like the DeRuyter hire. Wilcox's first OC hire was splashy and didn't pan out, so I'm thinking Wilcox goes with an out of work veteran OC this time around. Someone who hasn't impressed of late but was successful in the past.

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I think that if the OC hire was not currently employed he would be with the team right now and Baldwin would be at Cal Poly hiring, recruiting, getting to know the team, buying a house, etc.

The practices before the bowl game are largely seen as developmental for next year. The new OC could have met with recruits to reassure them before signing day. The new OC could be assessing the talent and start strategizing for next year. As for the Red Box Bowl, Baldwin's playbook was vanilla enough that, working with the other assistants, putting together a game plan and calling plays shouldn't be a stretch for someone in the profession unless they only have experience with a arcane offense, which I very much doubt would be Wilcox's choice.

No, my bet is the OC is employed elsewhere and will be announced after whatever bowl game or final NFL season game he is coaching is played.

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Could be, or could be that the recruits (at least the key offensive ones) already know who the new OC will be as he's been tentatively hired for a couple weeks and we're just waiting on the state employee hiring bureaucracy (paperwork passing through and sitting on several different desks for sign off, candidates from every major race needing to be interviewed, budgets needing to be amended, etc.)

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Could it also be that the new OC is already on the staff (internal promotion)?

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Then why wait 10 days to announce? Why not let the new OC take the reigns for the bowl game and let Baldwin move on?

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Because the official paperwork has not been approved. Best to have BB continue for the continuity sake.

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We completed interview, negotiations and contract signing with our men's basketball HC in two or three days.

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Fox was hired five days after Jones' termination was announced. Given that Knowlton used a search firm, and more than one person was part of process, I'm going out on a limb and say vetting, contacting coaches, interviews, and a contract took longer 2 to 3 days, longer than 5 days and started way before Jones was terminated. Think about how many folks have to approve the contract: the AD, Campus Legal, the Chancellor, UC VP-Legal, UC President, and Board of Regents (absent prior delegation), and that is just the Cal side, also Fox. Fox's attorney. and Fox's agent.

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Knowlton was originally going to keep Jones and only fired him after massive pushback:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/collegesports/article/Cal-reverses-field-fires-basketball-coach-Wyking-13712829.php

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A clear case of don't believe everything you read.

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Cal's rebuttal was it was in work for over a week?

Besides, Knowlton said his first interview was with DeCuire after the NCAA Tournament. Fox was announced less than a week after Montana lost in Iowa. Assuming Knowlton interviews Travis when he gets back to Montana two days later, then interviews Fox after that....that means the announcement of Fox's hire came only a few days after Fox was interviewed. Fox did not leave Berkeley after the interview. It happened fast. No way an OC takes longer than a men's basketball HC. The only way the whole thing could have been in the works for more than a week is if the story of interviewing DeCuire was a lie...which is it?

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The idea that a process began before the first interview is...logical?

More importantly: Happy Holidays to you and all of the BI family!

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The process of hiring Fox, negotiating contacts, getting approvals for his hire, before he was interviewed is not logical. We know that Baldwin has been let go, he signed contracts with Cal Poly (also State of California) quickly. I am 100% certain "Cal administrative delay" is NOT the reason for the 10 day wait. I am 90% sure it is because of his other commitments, that his current team's season is not over and he does not want to be a distraction. It could also be that Wilcox wants Baldwin to coach in the bowl game and thinks it would be a distraction or disrespectful.

Also, 10 days is pretty specific.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah everyone!

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The Fox hiring process was weird, and people are still trying to figure it out. Just ask SoCal. What I can tell you is that the narrative that Jones was rehired and Knowlton changed his mind due to donor dissent is not accurate and figment of some reporter's imagination.

I'm guessing (for no reason other than Cal history) that 10 days is an estimate. My other experience with Cal is it seems that every decision suffers from "Cal administrate delay." Call me a cynic. Maybe with Christ and Knowlton on board that has changed.

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EricBear reported here, at the time, that JK had tentatively decided to retain WJ and had given him that indication (though perhaps not in so many words). One of the things that changed his mind (as the story was related) was a meeting with a few parents who said their kids would probably transfer if WJ stayed. One of those players is somebody playing in the regular rotation on this year's team.

Our reaction here was that why wasn't he holding these meetings prior to reaching any sort of decision. He should've been talking to them (and the players) during the season, so he would have all his ducks in a row by March.

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Big C said:
Heck, since Knowlton has had this issue on his radar for months, he probably already has.

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wifeisafurd said:
You are absolutely correct. He looked at alternatives to Jones, and obviously narrowed the choices down. In fact, to six guys per a BI article.

I know that there some who don't like the way JK implemented the change, but now is the time to focus on picking a new coach. JK seems like a deliberative guy, and I expect whoever he selects will be vetted thoroughly with all stakeholders.

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SFCityBear said:
Right or wrong, he seemed deliberative up to the point in making his original decision, which was to support Jones. Then all it took was a conference phone call with 3 Dads to change his mind, and fire Jones. Right or wrong, that did seem impulsive, and not deliberative. I hope it is now a lesson learned, and he will cover all the bases with his first hire as AD.

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EricBear said: This is not quite right. The phone call to which you appear to be referring occurred two days after the loss to Colorado.

From this thread: https://bearinsider.com/forums/3/topics/87734/replies/1601703
3/26/19

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I suspect--with no inside knowledge--that if an OC has been chosen, JW is holding back to avoid stealing thunder so to speak from the bowl game hype.

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That could be right. Depends on when the guy was selected (assuming that has occurred) and when they at least have contract terms. I'm not operating under any direct inside knowledge, but more the Wilcox's TV comments, BearGreg's comments, and the bird that ate the canary look Wilcox gives reporters when they ask.

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Bird that ate the canary? Wonder if he's hiring Sarkisian? That would be a twist.

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wifeisafurd said:

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I suspect--with no inside knowledge--that if an OC has been chosen, JW is holding back to avoid stealing thunder so to speak from the bowl game hype.

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That could be right. Depends on when the guy was selected (assuming that has occurred) and when they at least have contract terms. I'm not operating under any direct inside knowledge, but more the Wilcox's TV comments, BearGreg's comments, and the bird that ate the canary look Wilcox gives reporters when they ask.

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Bird that ate the canary? Wonder if he's hiring Sarkisian? That would be a twist.

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Is there word Bama would get rid of him? I'm sure we can't match salary. Bama plays Michigan on NYD so rather than "within 10 days" is would have been "in about two weeks."

The "within 10 days" makes me think it is someone in the NFL whose team is not in the playoffs, so their final game is this weekend.

Helfrigh?

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Helfrigh?

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Wouldn't that be something else.

Ron Rivera. He must have learned something about offense while coaching in the NFL all those years, right?

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Helfrigh?

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Wouldn't that be something else.

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That would be a pretty good hire

Helfrich is my bet

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Helfrich is my bet

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Why would he want to leave an NFL coordinator job?

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Ron Rivera. He must have learned something about offense while coaching in the NFL all those years, right?

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He got fired because he lost three games where he couldn't get his team to score a go ahead TD from 10 yards or closer with time running out.

I'd rather work for Wilcox at Cal than say synder and the redskins.

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I'd rather work for Wilcox at Cal than say synder and the redskins.

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Since he doesn't work for the Redskins, that doesn't explain why he'd leave those Bears to come coach these Bears