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I remember when we did this for Wilcox at the Oakland Airport.

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He looks drugged. Of course he often looks that way

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I remember when we did this for Wilcox at the Oakland Airport.

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Our coaches fly coach on Southwest. But hey, they don't have to live in a sh@thole, right?

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I dunno. The SF Bay Area certainly has more human sh@t on the sidewalks than does Starkville.

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What's the median income in Starkville? Also, GTFO.

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I remember when we did this for Wilcox at the Oakland Airport.

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Our coaches fly coach on Southwest. But hey, they don't have to live in a sh@thole, right?

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I dunno. The SF Bay Area certainly has more human sh@t on the sidewalks than does Starkville.

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What's the median income in Starkville? Also, GTFO.

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Everybody's favorite crank, GoldenOnenote, is back! With a golden oldie that he never gets tired of. He hates all things California. And I'm guessing California isn't crazy about him...

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I remember when we did this for Wilcox at the Oakland Airport.

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Our coaches fly coach on Southwest. But hey, they don't have to live in a sh@thole, right?

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I dunno. The SF Bay Area certainly has more human sh@t on the sidewalks than does Starkville.

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What's the median income in Starkville? Also, GTFO.

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Speaking of Kiffin and Leach, perhaps they could commiserate on how much they hate the libs and/or California and/or environmentalists.

Do you not see the irony in Leach's Twitter post about the banning of plastic straws?

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Everybody's favorite crank, GoldenOnenote, is back! With a golden oldie that he never gets tired of. He hates all things California. And I'm guessing California isn't crazy about him...

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Well, at least this service can rescue people from life in the prosperous, cultured, educated, healthy, innovative, diverse, scenic and tolerant hellhole that is P12 country.

https://conservativemove.com/

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I poked over to Cougcenter.com to see what their fans were saying, came across an interesting bit that we'll relate to. They were talking about possible HC candidates and Alex Grinch's name came up. (He was the DC that actually put together a good defense there, their recent difficulties seem to be centered about no longer having a good defense). However lots of their fans (including one who purports to have heard this directly from Leach, and another who relates an anecdote about meeting Grinch's wife) said it is well known that Grinch's wife hated Pullman and there was no way they'd return.

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Noman is a short drive from Oklahoma City, which is a major city with over a million plus residents (Norman is a suburb of Okie City). The nearest city of that size from Pullman is five plus hours to Boise or around 6 hours to Seattle. Spokane is a couple hours away, and has a ton of recreation, but not a lot to do otherwise - a small town feel despite having half a million residents, and Pullman is definitely not a suburb. Being a football coach in Pullman would be like being a big fish in a small fish bowl.

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As long as the come up with $2.25 million to leave like Leach, why not? We will be playing players soon in any event. If they can't cut it in the SEC, they s/b able to transfer to a Pac team and play right away in order to make at least supper money. Some sarcasm, but to the extent players will be getting payed, being allowed to play right away does make a difference, both legally and practically.

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I remember when we did this for Wilcox at the Oakland Airport.

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I dunno. The SF Bay Area certainly has more human sh@t on the sidewalks than does Starkville.

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What's the median income in Starkville? Also, GTFO

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Speaking of Kiffin and Leach, perhaps they could commiserate on how much they hate the libs and/or California and/or environmentalists.

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Makes me feel that much better when we kicked his butt. Can't wait to play Mississippi State.

Leach enters his 60s in 14 months. Will he become less or more cranky with age?

Will he become more or less like his good friend?

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I poked over to Cougcenter.com to see what their fans were saying, came across an interesting bit that we'll relate to. They were talking about possible HC candidates and Alex Grinch's name came up. (He was the DC that actually put together a good defense there, their recent difficulties seem to be centered about no longer having a good defense). However lots of their fans (including one who purports to have heard this directly from Leach, and another who relates an anecdote about meeting Grinch's wife) said it is well known that Grinch's wife hated Pullman and there was no way they'd return.

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And she is happy in Norman?? Yikes!

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Noman is a short drive from Oklahoma City, which is a major city with over a million plus residents (Norman is a suburb of Okie City). The nearest city of that size from Pullman is five plus hours to Boise or around 6 hours to Seattle. Spokane is a couple hours away, and has a ton of recreation, but not a lot to do otherwise - a small town feel despite having half a million residents, and Pullman is definitely not a suburb. Being a football coach in Pullman would be like being a big fish in a small fish bowl.

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I've been to OK City. I'll reiterate my comment... And she is happy in Norman??

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As long as the come up with $2.25 million to leave like Leach, why not? We will be playing players soon in any event. If they can't cut it in the SEC, they s/b able to transfer to a Pac team and play right away in order to make at least supper money. Some sarcasm, but to the extent players will be getting payed, being allowed to play right away does make a difference, both legally and practically.

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"We will be playing (sic) players soon in any event". It can't happen soon enough....

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I poked over to Cougcenter.com to see what their fans were saying, came across an interesting bit that we'll relate to. They were talking about possible HC candidates and Alex Grinch's name came up. (He was the DC that actually put together a good defense there, their recent difficulties seem to be centered about no longer having a good defense). However lots of their fans (including one who purports to have heard this directly from Leach, and another who relates an anecdote about meeting Grinch's wife) said it is well known that Grinch's wife hated Pullman and there was no way they'd return.

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And she is happy in Norman?? Yikes!

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Noman is a short drive from Oklahoma City, which is a major city with over a million plus residents (Norman is a suburb of Okie City). The nearest city of that size from Pullman is five plus hours to Boise or around 6 hours to Seattle. Spokane is a couple hours away, and has a ton of recreation, but not a lot to do otherwise - a small town feel despite having half a million residents, and Pullman is definitely not a suburb. Being a football coach in Pullman would be like being a big fish in a small fish bowl.

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I've been to OK City. I'll reiterate my comment... And she is happy in Norman??

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They are both from a small town in Ohio outside of Cleveland.

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The Leach extension was a contractual extension that came into place each year after he won x amount of games - I think it must have been 6 games. It was a one-year extension. That is just the thing you have when your coach is looking all the time like Leach was.

His buyout is 2.25 million - which is small potatoes for an SEC team.

He will I am sure be making a bit more there - although he already was making 3.75 million at WSU. So he will be making perhaps 4.5, which is what Dan Mullen was making at MSU.

I expect that he thinks he can recruit better there and get SEC castoffs instead of EW castoffs. Mississippi is a much better-recruiting ground than Washington.

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Which is why "firing him for looking around" would have made no sense. Instead of receiving $2.25 million WSU would be paying out $16 million (?).

That is $18.25 million more to spend on his replacement.

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This reminds me of Larry Smith going from AZ to USC. That move reinforced the notion of a pecking order of teams within the conference. Now, in the bigger picture, this move reinforces the notion of a pecking order among conferences - the SEC just took another step forward while the P12 took another step back....

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I'm surprised people don't mention this more often. There's definitely a pecking order in the minds of most (if not all) college FB fans and it becomes clear whenever a coach or a player picks a school lower on that ladder than the ones they turn down.

Funniest example of all time of the above:

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The Uncle Lou / D-Rob video will never cease to amuse me. I'll still be watching that in 50 years. But don't neglect part 2 when he came back with more to say with such gems as "I just took. a whole month's worth of blood pressure pills because of you." and "How are you supposed to beat SEC coverages when you can't even beat the Cal picture out of the sheet that was covering it."

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I poked over to Cougcenter.com to see what their fans were saying, came across an interesting bit that we'll relate to. They were talking about possible HC candidates and Alex Grinch's name came up. (He was the DC that actually put together a good defense there, their recent difficulties seem to be centered about no longer having a good defense). However lots of their fans (including one who purports to have heard this directly from Leach, and another who relates an anecdote about meeting Grinch's wife) said it is well known that Grinch's wife hated Pullman and there was no way they'd return.

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And she is happy in Norman?? Yikes!

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Noman is a short drive from Oklahoma City, which is a major city with over a million plus residents (Norman is a suburb of Okie City). The nearest city of that size from Pullman is five plus hours to Boise or around 6 hours to Seattle. Spokane is a couple hours away, and has a ton of recreation, but not a lot to do otherwise - a small town feel despite having half a million residents, and Pullman is definitely not a suburb. Being a football coach in Pullman would be like being a big fish in a small fish bowl.

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I've been to OK City. I'll reiterate my comment... And she is happy in Norman??

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It is all relative when compared to Pullman.

Hard to imagine but true.

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Pretty sure, without having visited Lubbock or Starkville, he just the left the prettier of the three.

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I've been to Starville. I think he just barely upgraded, though they are remarkable similar.

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I read the Starkville Wikipedia page, it's history is filled with famous lynchings, KKK rallies, attempts to maintain segregation including splitting their school district into "separate" school districts in the 70's with Federally enforced desegregation finally coming in 2015 only to be circumvented by privatization. And college towns tend to be islands of progressivism....

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Pretty sure, without having visited Lubbock or Starkville, he just the left the prettier of the three.

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I've been to Starville. I think he just barely upgraded, though they are remarkable similar.

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I read the Starkville Wikipedia page, it's history is filled with famous lynchings, KKK rallies, attempts to maintain segregation including splitting their school district into "separate" school districts in the 70's with Federally enforced desegregation finally coming in 2015 only to be circumvented by privatization. And college towns tend to be islands of progressivism....

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Fake news by the liberal education-information complex funded by Soros and other elites. They will tell you the truth on Fox News: Democrats are the real racists. That's why they were the party of slavery. There was some racism in America in the past but that was over when Obama was elected, because him being elected proves there's no real racism in America anymore. Trump is the real victim of racism here because if he weren't white all the liberals would love him because he's a winner and not racist. The reason Trump has so many racists working for him is because he's such a fair and public service minded person he doesn't believe racists should be disbarred from serving their country. The reason so many racists root openly for Trump has nothing to do with Trump being racist or serving racist policies. Race has nothing to do with the decisions this administration makes, it's all about the national interest. That's why we have to reduce the number of brown people in the country, because it's in our national interest and not racist at all. Antifa are the real racists, that's why they wear black and masks and attack innocents exercising their free speech like the Proud Boys and other organizers of Unite the Right.

calumnus the problem is you live in a left-wing echo chamber and refuse to hear anything that doesn't fit with the expectations of your liberal bias. Have you ever lived in Starkville? How do you know any of those things that your liberal propaganda MSM source says are even true? Did you personally witness the lynchings? I heard the Clintons are behind all of the lynchings, going back to Reconstruction. Comey and Brennan know. Page, Strzok and Fusion GPS are part of it and it's all part of the deep state conspiracy to overturn the totally legitimate result of the not at all corrupted 2016 election. That's what happened to Nixon too. Those damn liberals won't play fair and that makes us go all rat****er on their asses.

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Pretty sure, without having visited Lubbock or Starkville, he just the left the prettier of the three.

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I've been to Starville. I think he just barely upgraded, though they are remarkable similar.

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I read the Starkville Wikipedia page, it's history is filled with famous lynchings, KKK rallies, attempts to maintain segregation including splitting their school district into "separate" school districts in the 70's with Federally enforced desegregation finally coming in 2015 only to be circumvented by privatization. And college towns tend to be islands of progressivism....

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Fake news by the liberal education-information complex funded by Soros and other elites. Democrats are the real racists, I heard it on Fox News. That's why they were the party of slavery. There was some racism in the past but that was over when Obama was elected, because him being elected proves there's no real racism in America anymore. Trump is the real victim of racism here because if he weren't white all the liberals would love him because he's a winner and not racist. The reason Trump has so many racists working for him is because he's such a fair and public service minded person he doesn't believe racists should be disbarred from serving their country. The reason so many racists root openly for Trump has nothing to do with Trump being racist or serving racist policies. Race has nothing to do with the decisions this administration makes. It's all about the national interest. That's why we have to reduce the number of brown people in the country, because it's in our national interest and not racist at all. Antifa are the racists, that's why they wear black and masks and attack innocent exercisers of free speech like the Proud Boys and other organizers of the Unite the Right rally.

calumnus the problem is you live in a left-wing echo chamber and refuse to hear anything that doesn't fit with the expectations of your liberal bias. Have you ever lived in Starkville? How do you know any of those things that your liberal propaganda MSM source is even true? Did you personally witness any lynchings? I heard the Clintons are behind all of the lynchings, going back to Reconstruction. Comey and Brennan know. Page and Strzok are part of it and it's all part of the deep state conspiracy to overturn the totally legitimate result of the not at all corrupted 2016 election. That's what happened to Nixon too. Those damn liberals won't play fair and that makes us go all rat****er on their asses.

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I forgot to say it's a coup attempt. A deep state coup. Democrats are the real cybercriminals and colluders. The Bidens and Clintons colluded with the Ukranian government to attack the Republicans in the 2016 election. They hacked the DNC, took out their inside man (S.R.) and Epstein too. Follow the money and it all leads back to the source, Soros. Russia is a hoax. Coup hoax. It's all fake and lies, except Trump. He's going to make America great again, because that's what Trump really cares most about: America. More on infowars.com

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This reminds me of Larry Smith going from AZ to USC. That move reinforced the notion of a pecking order of teams within the conference. Now, in the bigger picture, this move reinforces the notion of a pecking order among conferences - the SEC just took another step forward while the P12 took another step back....

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That kind of verbiage from Leach is worthless. What would anyone expect him to say?

"Even though I'm leaving a superior conference, where I never could even get close to a championship, all the money I'm getting made this move a no brainier. Plus I get to play Texas A&M, where I can stick it in their ear. Anyway, I like living in 140% humidity on the better days. Everybody there is married to their sister or cousin. It's a real hoot!"

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Serious question: How did Wilcox get to Berkeley?

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BART

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/09/19/justin-wilcox-takes-bart-to-work-and-other-reasons-hes-the-perfect-fit-for-cal/

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The Cal Athletic Department arranged for Wilcox to have his very own BART car.

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This reminds me of when Alabama hired Mike Price away from WSU. One of the shortest coaching stints ever. Can't believe another SEC school is doing the same thing. Leach is going to be living under a microscope.

Is Couging it communicable? MSU better hope not. Just as one example, remember when the Cougs had us at 3rd and 36 from our own 4 yard line, so the Bears ran a conservative draw play with the definitely not speedy Vic Enwere, and...

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This reminds me of when Alabama hired Mike Price away from WSU. One of the shortest coaching stints ever. Can't believe another SEC school is doing the same thing. Leach is going to be living under a microscope.

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Leach needed several years to get favorable results in Pullman. Not sure he'll get such latitude there. Moorhead was there just two years...

The Bulldogs have not had a winning conference record in six years.

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I've been to Starville. I think he just barely upgraded, though they are remarkable similar.

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I read the Starkville Wikipedia page, it's history is filled with famous lynchings, KKK rallies, attempts to maintain segregation including splitting their school district into "separate" school districts in the 70's with Federally enforced desegregation finally coming in 2015 only to be circumvented by privatization. And college towns tend to be islands of progressivism....

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Fake news by the liberal education-information complex funded by Soros and other elites. Democrats are the real racists, I heard it on Fox News. That's why they were the party of slavery. There was some racism in the past but that was over when Obama was elected, because him being elected proves there's no real racism in America anymore. Trump is the real victim of racism here because if he weren't white all the liberals would love him because he's a winner and not racist. The reason Trump has so many racists working for him is because he's such a fair and public service minded person he doesn't believe racists should be disbarred from serving their country. The reason so many racists root openly for Trump has nothing to do with Trump being racist or serving racist policies. Race has nothing to do with the decisions this administration makes. It's all about the national interest. That's why we have to reduce the number of brown people in the country, because it's in our national interest and not racist at all. Antifa are the racists, that's why they wear black and masks and attack innocent exercisers of free speech like the Proud Boys and other organizers of the Unite the Right rally.

calumnus the problem is you live in a left-wing echo chamber and refuse to hear anything that doesn't fit with the expectations of your liberal bias. Have you ever lived in Starkville? How do you know any of those things that your liberal propaganda MSM source is even true? Did you personally witness any lynchings? I heard the Clintons are behind all of the lynchings, going back to Reconstruction. Comey and Brennan know. Page and Strzok are part of it and it's all part of the deep state conspiracy to overturn the totally legitimate result of the not at all corrupted 2016 election. That's what happened to Nixon too. Those damn liberals won't play fair and that makes us go all rat****er on their asses.

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I think Cave Bear was being ironic.
I do miss the days when we could add a smiley saying "SARCASM!" to avoid any confusion.

So, about a 33% salary bump from 2019.

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This reminds me of Larry Smith going from AZ to USC. That move reinforced the notion of a pecking order of teams within the conference. Now, in the bigger picture, this move reinforces the notion of a pecking order among conferences - the SEC just took another step forward while the P12 took another step back....

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They gave him a substantial pay raise that would make him the highest paid coach in the Pac 12 if he were here. He flat out isn't worth it. He is a good coach but by no means a great one. All this proves is that the SEC teams are willing to shell out higher and higher amounts for football whether it makes any sense or not.

The SEC is a better football conference than the Pac. I'm at peace with that. They care more than we do. At some point when someone wants to put nonsensical resources toward something, you let them have it.

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This reminds me of Larry Smith going from AZ to USC. That move reinforced the notion of a pecking order of teams within the conference. Now, in the bigger picture, this move reinforces the notion of a pecking order among conferences - the SEC just took another step forward while the P12 took another step back....

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They gave him a substantial pay raise that would make him the highest paid coach in the Pac 12 if he were here. He flat out isn't worth it. He is a good coach but by no means a great one. All this proves is that the SEC teams are willing to shell out higher and higher amounts for football whether it makes any sense or not.

The SEC is a better football conference than the Pac. I'm at peace with that. They care more than we do. At some point when someone wants to put nonsensical resources toward something, you let them have it.

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I'm at peace with the same OTB.

Would be nice for the NCAA to consider a salary cap for HCs, and maybe a corresponding ratio, like 80% for the supporting coaching staff...

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This reminds me of Larry Smith going from AZ to USC. That move reinforced the notion of a pecking order of teams within the conference. Now, in the bigger picture, this move reinforces the notion of a pecking order among conferences - the SEC just took another step forward while the P12 took another step back....

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They gave him a substantial pay raise that would make him the highest paid coach in the Pac 12 if he were here. He flat out isn't worth it. He is a good coach but by no means a great one. All this proves is that the SEC teams are willing to shell out higher and higher amounts for football whether it makes any sense or not.

The SEC is a better football conference than the Pac. I'm at peace with that. They care more than we do. At some point when someone wants to put nonsensical resources toward something, you let them have it.

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Agreed, but what is that point? One could argue that we passed that point long ago. Not trying to get too philosophical here and I AM for the idea that we need to pay at least "market" for coaches, if we seriously intend to compete, but we are paying more than a half a million a year to the offensive and defensive coordinators of an "amateur" sport. Pretty incredible. Almost nonsensical.

I guess that "point" is when the football revenue is no longer able to help pay for other sports (and can't hope to).

Honestly, for me, being a Cal Football and Cal Basketball fan means following two sports I love and cheering for my Alma Mater, while turning a blind eye to the rest of it. But hey, I've always been okay with doing that.

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Are my eyes deceiving me or has Leach gone full emo and died sections of his hair blue?