Don't forget that, despite all of the back and forth here about whether Covid-19 is a minor threat or a very minor threat (assuming you're not 75+ with comorbities, in which case just getting out of bed in the morning is a threat) . . . it is only one half of the ledger.

Don't forget to also factor in the amount of suffering caused by this gross and unconstitutional overreaction. Not just financial suffering, but physical, mental and spiritual. When it's all over, let's not forget to compare rates of suicide, domestic violence and deaths from other causes exacerbated by the lockdown, bankruptcies, etc.

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Don't forget that, despite all of the back and forth here about whether Covid-19 is a minor threat or a very minor threat (assuming you're not 75+ with comorbities, in which case just getting out of bed in the morning is a threat) . . . it is only one half of the ledger.

Don't forget to also factor in the amount of suffering caused by this gross and unconstitutional overreaction. Not just financial suffering, but physical, mental and spiritual. When it's all over, let's not forget to compare rates of suicide, domestic violence and deaths from other causes exacerbated by the lockdown, bankruptcies, etc.

Anyone still defending the government's lockdown at this point either has a vested interest in it or is beyond clueless.

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You gots stats for that?

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For example, if I were to have asked this board whether JW (or any recent Cal coach) would ever place his players' health at risk, each and every person on this board would say not. I recall vociferous defenses of the Cal coaching staff during the Ted Agu fallout. Everyone on this board agreed that that the coaches would not willfully do anything to put his life at risk. But some members on this board now argue that JW would absolutely willfully put his players' health at risk. Remember: JW would not only have to believe that each of his players would act responsibly over the course of the football season (e.g., essentially a self-quarantine to avoid infection), but that every single player on each other team would act responsibly (remember, Cal plays teams that play other teams that plays other teams...).

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Healthy players risk serious injury every time they suit up, so in that regard JW puts all his players' health at risk every game and practice. The question is, what is the reasonable amount of risk? If the risk of players dying from COVID-19 is less than doing the same from the seasonal flu (which I understand to be true for the age group) then one would think the risk is reasonable.

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Where is this notion that COVID is less deadly than the flu for college kids? My understanding is the death rate for the flu for this age group is about 0.01% which would make COVID 5-10x deadlier and that's without taking into account the number of COVID recovered individuals who will have permanent damage to lungs and/or other organs, which is far more rare with the flu.

I'm not saying that COVID is a death sentence for college football players but can we please stop spreading the lie that it's no worse than (or in this case less deadly than!) the common flu. The evidence simply doesn't support that position.

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I'm with you on this one Unit. If Covid were even in the same ballpark as the seasonal flu, we wouldn't be in the soup in which we currently find ourselves. However, no matter what data is presented, there will always be a subsection of the population that denies it. It is the nature of the beast.

The front page of this morning's New York Times is a sobering reminder that the pandemic is a killer to a degree not seen in our lifetimes. To toss it off as something akin to seasonal flu tells me more about the person that insists it is the case than anything else.

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While COVID is more deadly, it is not more deadly to everyone. Saying no mater how the data is presented there must be deniers is a closed mind approach, which ignores huge differences in the death rates by demographics, particularly age. Ignorance is bliss.

The reason why Fauci and Obama did not approve a quarantine for H1N1 was because the average age of people seriously impacted was far less than the average age of COVID. I guess they had it wrong looking at it by demographics.

I challenge you to look at a recent table of deaths by age and tell me that with 18 to 22 years olds, COVID is way above the death rate of seasonal flu. To flop off these demographic differences suggests someone who have become intellectually lazy about wanting to understand the true nature of the beast. I call you a denier for choosing to ignore these statistics.

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Conversely, I challenge you to do the same.

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I posted the article which graphs actual numbers in the same post.

wifeisafurd said:

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71Bear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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For example, if I were to have asked this board whether JW (or any recent Cal coach) would ever place his players' health at risk, each and every person on this board would say not. I recall vociferous defenses of the Cal coaching staff during the Ted Agu fallout. Everyone on this board agreed that that the coaches would not willfully do anything to put his life at risk. But some members on this board now argue that JW would absolutely willfully put his players' health at risk. Remember: JW would not only have to believe that each of his players would act responsibly over the course of the football season (e.g., essentially a self-quarantine to avoid infection), but that every single player on each other team would act responsibly (remember, Cal plays teams that play other teams that plays other teams...).

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Healthy players risk serious injury every time they suit up, so in that regard JW puts all his players' health at risk every game and practice. The question is, what is the reasonable amount of risk? If the risk of players dying from COVID-19 is less than doing the same from the seasonal flu (which I understand to be true for the age group) then one would think the risk is reasonable.

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Where is this notion that COVID is less deadly than the flu for college kids? My understanding is the death rate for the flu for this age group is about 0.01% which would make COVID 5-10x deadlier and that's without taking into account the number of COVID recovered individuals who will have permanent damage to lungs and/or other organs, which is far more rare with the flu.

I'm not saying that COVID is a death sentence for college football players but can we please stop spreading the lie that it's no worse than (or in this case less deadly than!) the common flu. The evidence simply doesn't support that position.

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I'm with you on this one Unit. If Covid were even in the same ballpark as the seasonal flu, we wouldn't be in the soup in which we currently find ourselves. However, no matter what data is presented, there will always be a subsection of the population that denies it. It is the nature of the beast.

The front page of this morning's New York Times is a sobering reminder that the pandemic is a killer to a degree not seen in our lifetimes. To toss it off as something akin to seasonal flu tells me more about the person that insists it is the case than anything else.

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While COVID is more deadly, it is not more deadly to everyone. Saying no mater how the data is presented there must be deniers is a closed mind approach, which ignores huge differences in the death rates by demographics, particularly age. Ignorance is bliss.

The reason why Fauci and Obama did not approve a quarantine for H1N1 was because the average age of people seriously impacted was far less than the average age of COVID. I guess they had it wrong looking at it by demographics.

I challenge you to look at a recent table of deaths by age and tell me that with 18 to 22 years olds, COVID is way above the death rate of seasonal flu. To flop off these demographic differences suggests someone who have become intellectually lazy about wanting to understand the true nature of the beast. I call you a denier for choosing to ignore these statistics.

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Conversely, I challenge you to do the same.

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I posted the article which graphs actual numbers in the same post.

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But you missed where he said "If Covid were even in the same ballpark as the seasonal flu, we wouldn't be in the soup in which we currently find ourselves." It's hard to argue with that logic! (Or that people like him are EXACTLY the problem).