Vaccine schedule

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oskidunker
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Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
upsetof86
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I am so glad they expanded it. Cannot hold others safety hostage, next ready-group up.
71Bear
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oskidunker said:

Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.
In New York City, they bumped teachers to the front of the line. My daughter and son-in-law have their appointments on Wednesday.

The supply with open up nationwide on January 20th. It won't be much longer for those of us who are 65+,

smh
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oskidunker said:

Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.
thanks OD. here in santa clara county some us old farts are in line for not quite yet phase 1b..
https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/COVID19-vaccine-information-for-public.aspx#Recentnews
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  • Tier One:
    • Individuals 75 and older
    • Those at risk of exposure at work in the following sectors: education, childcare, emergency services, and food and agriculture
  • Tier Two:
    • Individuals 65 -74 years of age
    • Those at risk of exposure at work in the following sectors: transportation and logistics; industrial, commercial, residential, and sheltering facilities and services; critical manufacturing
    • Congregate settings with outbreak risk: incarcerated and homeless

oskidunker
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Kaiser is not listing 65 with underlying in next phase. Maybe the county guidelines do not bind them
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Goobear
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My daughter in PA School at Stanfurd and My wife working in the hospital as a non medical person both got their first dose....

My daughter in Nor Cal got the Pfizer one and my wife in So Cal got the Moderna one
LunchTime
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Way too low of % of dosages used (31% of available-to-California doses when I looked just now). Some states are worse, but we should demand better, not that we arent last place. I think 10 states are distributing their vaccines slower. California should be in the top 50% not bottom 25%

They should just make it open to everyone or give everyone in line a week to get it, and move to the next group.
oski003
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The risk/benefit of the mrna vaccines does not justify giving it to more than the most vulnerable to covid 19.
ColoradoBear
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oski003 said:

The risk/benefit of the mrna vaccines does not justify giving it to more than the most vulnerable to covid 19.


What's then source on that?
oskidunker
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Hospital workers are declining it and administrators are wringing their hands inn hopes they will change their minds. Rest homes are having a hard time getting authorizations. Give it to people who want it.

Let those who cant decide go to the end end of the line.
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oski003
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ColoradoBear said:

oski003 said:

The risk/benefit of the mrna vaccines does not justify giving it to more than the most vulnerable to covid 19.


What's then source on that?
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/26/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-lets-be-cautious-and-first-see-the-full-data/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/health/covid-vaccine-allergies-health-workers-uk-intl-gbr/index.html?utm_content=2020-12-09T13%3A30%3A11&utm_source=twCNNi&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social



https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10459507/

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2013/583438/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287387193_Development_and_Evaluation_of_Lipid_Nanoparticles_for_Drug_Delivery_Study_of_Toxicity_In_Vitro_and_In_Vivo

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332979905_mRNA_vaccines_against_H10N8_and_H7N9_influenza_viruses_of_pandemic_potential_are_immunogenic_and_well_tolerated_in_healthy_adults_in_phase_1_randomized_clinical_trials-NC-ND_license_httpcreativecommon

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483?query=WB

https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1348733459699822594?s=21&fbclid=IwAR30m3xpHraLfUd_8YlnV9AouPd9IRbZVaN_O04r4PDcJz87g2KCb1sN_-4

https://twitter.com/peripatetical/status/1346036208116269059?s=21&fbclid=IwAR3dxH649VIR0jV0XNhiTmn2byIt8FRn5IIn-p9AygV3_M4mdJl5JxnKJck

https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download

https://abrihealthcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/PharmScriptCOVID-Vaccine-Consent-Form-Instructions-merged-2.pdf




LunchTime
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oski003 said:

ColoradoBear said:

oski003 said:

The risk/benefit of the mrna vaccines does not justify giving it to more than the most vulnerable to covid 19.


What's then source on that?
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/26/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-lets-be-cautious-and-first-see-the-full-data/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/health/covid-vaccine-allergies-health-workers-uk-intl-gbr/index.html?utm_content=2020-12-09T13%3A30%3A11&utm_source=twCNNi&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social



https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10459507/

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2013/583438/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287387193_Development_and_Evaluation_of_Lipid_Nanoparticles_for_Drug_Delivery_Study_of_Toxicity_In_Vitro_and_In_Vivo

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332979905_mRNA_vaccines_against_H10N8_and_H7N9_influenza_viruses_of_pandemic_potential_are_immunogenic_and_well_tolerated_in_healthy_adults_in_phase_1_randomized_clinical_trials-NC-ND_license_httpcreativecommon

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483?query=WB

https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1348733459699822594?s=21&fbclid=IwAR30m3xpHraLfUd_8YlnV9AouPd9IRbZVaN_O04r4PDcJz87g2KCb1sN_-4

https://twitter.com/peripatetical/status/1346036208116269059?s=21&fbclid=IwAR3dxH649VIR0jV0XNhiTmn2byIt8FRn5IIn-p9AygV3_M4mdJl5JxnKJck

https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download

https://abrihealthcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/PharmScriptCOVID-Vaccine-Consent-Form-Instructions-merged-2.pdf




Thats a fine list of links... one of them says:

Quote:

A meeting of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) was convened on December 10, 2020. Following a discussion of the data presented, the VRBPAC voted 17-4 (with one abstention) in favor of the determination that based on the totality of scientific evidence available, the benefits of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine outweigh its risks for use in individuals 16 years of age and older

Posting a large number of links with no context or specifics is a great misdirection; "A bunch of links, this guy must be legit." It is not actually sources. It takes the responsibility of backing up your claim off of you and puts it onto the requester (who asks that you back your claim) to read through whatever links you choose... the links dont have to support you or even be relevant.

In this case, the first link I clicked showed that your claim if false. I find it odd that my random selection of your dozen links states that. Either you didnt actually read them, or you just googled a wall of links.

So, again, source on your claim? not a wall of context-less links. A source.
LunchTime
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oski003 said:

ColoradoBear said:

oski003 said:

The risk/benefit of the mrna vaccines does not justify giving it to more than the most vulnerable to covid 19.


What's then source on that?
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/26/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-lets-be-cautious-and-first-see-the-full-data/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/health/covid-vaccine-allergies-health-workers-uk-intl-gbr/index.html?utm_content=2020-12-09T13%3A30%3A11&utm_source=twCNNi&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social



https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10459507/

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2013/583438/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287387193_Development_and_Evaluation_of_Lipid_Nanoparticles_for_Drug_Delivery_Study_of_Toxicity_In_Vitro_and_In_Vivo

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332979905_mRNA_vaccines_against_H10N8_and_H7N9_influenza_viruses_of_pandemic_potential_are_immunogenic_and_well_tolerated_in_healthy_adults_in_phase_1_randomized_clinical_trials-NC-ND_license_httpcreativecommon

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483?query=WB

https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1348733459699822594?s=21&fbclid=IwAR30m3xpHraLfUd_8YlnV9AouPd9IRbZVaN_O04r4PDcJz87g2KCb1sN_-4

https://twitter.com/peripatetical/status/1346036208116269059?s=21&fbclid=IwAR3dxH649VIR0jV0XNhiTmn2byIt8FRn5IIn-p9AygV3_M4mdJl5JxnKJck

https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download

https://abrihealthcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/PharmScriptCOVID-Vaccine-Consent-Form-Instructions-merged-2.pdf




OK, so... lets break down your "sources"

1. A opinion piece from November of 2020. It says we dont know the results of the efficacy tests, and that they show a large relative reduction, but only small absolute reduction... well, of course. If you reduce the severe cases from 10,000,000 to 1,000,000 that is 90%, but absolutely, its only a 2% reduction compared to the size of the US. That is misdirection. No one cares about the absolute protection, they care about protection if you would have otherwise not had protection. **** source
2. A CNN article about the, extremely limited, cases of allergic reactions. A complication with all vaccines, including the flu vaccine, and all were resolved with over the counter antihistamines. **** source.
3. A twitter post that is irrelevant to this conversation. Not a source
4. A abstract from 1999 about Lipid peroxidation that doesnt seem to have aany relevance to this discussion. Not a source
5. An article from science about nanoparticles causing allergic reactions (again, extremely few incidents, resolved with Benadryl). Not a source OR relevant
6. Lipid Peroxidation in relation to diabetes. Not a source OR relevant
More twitter links. Twitter is not a scientific source.

I am already tired of looking at these junk sources, Do any of them have relevance? Did you actually open the links? Maybe one of the others touches on what your claim is?
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I have a deep respect for guinea pigs. I will get vaccinated....but I'm not chomping at the bit.
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oski003
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LunchTime said:

oski003 said:

ColoradoBear said:

oski003 said:

The risk/benefit of the mrna vaccines does not justify giving it to more than the most vulnerable to covid 19.


What's then source on that?
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/26/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-lets-be-cautious-and-first-see-the-full-data/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/health/covid-vaccine-allergies-health-workers-uk-intl-gbr/index.html?utm_content=2020-12-09T13%3A30%3A11&utm_source=twCNNi&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social



https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10459507/

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2013/583438/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287387193_Development_and_Evaluation_of_Lipid_Nanoparticles_for_Drug_Delivery_Study_of_Toxicity_In_Vitro_and_In_Vivo

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332979905_mRNA_vaccines_against_H10N8_and_H7N9_influenza_viruses_of_pandemic_potential_are_immunogenic_and_well_tolerated_in_healthy_adults_in_phase_1_randomized_clinical_trials-NC-ND_license_httpcreativecommon

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483?query=WB

https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1348733459699822594?s=21&fbclid=IwAR30m3xpHraLfUd_8YlnV9AouPd9IRbZVaN_O04r4PDcJz87g2KCb1sN_-4

https://twitter.com/peripatetical/status/1346036208116269059?s=21&fbclid=IwAR3dxH649VIR0jV0XNhiTmn2byIt8FRn5IIn-p9AygV3_M4mdJl5JxnKJck

https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download

https://abrihealthcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/PharmScriptCOVID-Vaccine-Consent-Form-Instructions-merged-2.pdf




Thats a fine list of links... one of them says:

Quote:

A meeting of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) was convened on December 10, 2020. Following a discussion of the data presented, the VRBPAC voted 17-4 (with one abstention) in favor of the determination that based on the totality of scientific evidence available, the benefits of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine outweigh its risks for use in individuals 16 years of age and older

Posting a large number of links with no context or specifics is a great misdirection; "A bunch of links, this guy must be legit." It is not actually sources. It takes the responsibility of backing up your claim off of you and puts it onto the requester (who asks that you back your claim) to read through whatever links you choose... the links dont have to support you or even be relevant.

In this case, the first link I clicked showed that your claim if false. I find it odd that my random selection of your dozen links states that. Either you didnt actually read them, or you just googled a wall of links.

So, again, source on your claim? not a wall of context-less links. A source.


The links do have some balance and you did nothing to discredit my statement. Yes, the FDA. ruled that the benefit of the mrna vaccines under emergency use outweighed the risk of having no vaccine at all.

The mrna vaccines are the first vaccines, not the best vaccines.
oski003
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LunchTime said:

oski003 said:

ColoradoBear said:

oski003 said:

The risk/benefit of the mrna vaccines does not justify giving it to more than the most vulnerable to covid 19.


What's then source on that?
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/26/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-lets-be-cautious-and-first-see-the-full-data/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/health/covid-vaccine-allergies-health-workers-uk-intl-gbr/index.html?utm_content=2020-12-09T13%3A30%3A11&utm_source=twCNNi&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social



https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/suspicions-grow-nanoparticles-pfizer-s-covid-19-vaccine-trigger-rare-allergic-reactions

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10459507/

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/omcl/2013/583438/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287387193_Development_and_Evaluation_of_Lipid_Nanoparticles_for_Drug_Delivery_Study_of_Toxicity_In_Vitro_and_In_Vivo

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/332979905_mRNA_vaccines_against_H10N8_and_H7N9_influenza_viruses_of_pandemic_potential_are_immunogenic_and_well_tolerated_in_healthy_adults_in_phase_1_randomized_clinical_trials-NC-ND_license_httpcreativecommon

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483?query=WB

https://twitter.com/alexberenson/status/1348733459699822594?s=21&fbclid=IwAR30m3xpHraLfUd_8YlnV9AouPd9IRbZVaN_O04r4PDcJz87g2KCb1sN_-4

https://twitter.com/peripatetical/status/1346036208116269059?s=21&fbclid=IwAR3dxH649VIR0jV0XNhiTmn2byIt8FRn5IIn-p9AygV3_M4mdJl5JxnKJck

https://www.fda.gov/media/144416/download

https://abrihealthcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/PharmScriptCOVID-Vaccine-Consent-Form-Instructions-merged-2.pdf




OK, so... lets break down your "sources"

1. A opinion piece from November of 2020. It says we dont know the results of the efficacy tests, and that they show a large relative reduction, but only small absolute reduction... well, of course. If you reduce the severe cases from 10,000,000 to 1,000,000 that is 90%, but absolutely, its only a 2% reduction compared to the size of the US. That is misdirection. No one cares about the absolute protection, they care about protection if you would have otherwise not had protection. **** source
2. A CNN article about the, extremely limited, cases of allergic reactions. A complication with all vaccines, including the flu vaccine, and all were resolved with over the counter antihistamines. **** source.
3. A twitter post that is irrelevant to this conversation. Not a source
4. A abstract from 1999 about Lipid peroxidation that doesnt seem to have aany relevance to this discussion. Not a source
5. An article from science about nanoparticles causing allergic reactions (again, extremely few incidents, resolved with Benadryl). Not a source OR relevant
6. Lipid Peroxidation in relation to diabetes. Not a source OR relevant
More twitter links. Twitter is not a scientific source.

I am already tired of looking at these junk sources, Do any of them have relevance? Did you actually open the links? Maybe one of the others touches on what your claim is?


They are all relevant. One twitter link is the Australia equivalent of the FDA saying that our situation is not urgent enough to give mrna vaccine emergency approval. The last twitter link links to the FDA docs showing the Moderna Vaccine elicited Grade 3 or 4 reactions in 17% of those under 65. Grade 3 events almost always require medical intervention. Grade 4 event is hospitalization. That is an incredible number.

CDC only has published side effect data from before Dec 23. Pfizer started roll out on Dec. 10. More days have passed since the days covered. Pfizer is 30 ug. Moderna is 100 ug. No Moderna eua data has been reported yet. Pfizer data so far is severe allergic reaction in 1 of 100,000. Flu shot is 1 in a million. There are other serious adverse events, and I am waiting to see more data.
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71Bear said:

oskidunker said:

Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.
In New York City, they bumped teachers to the front of the line. My daughter and son-in-law have their appointments on Wednesday.

The supply with open up nationwide on January 20th. It won't be much longer for those of us who are 65+,

Yes! My daughter's partner, a teacher, got hers yesterday!
71Bear
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mbBear said:

71Bear said:

oskidunker said:

Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.
In New York City, they bumped teachers to the front of the line. My daughter and son-in-law have their appointments on Wednesday.

The supply with open up nationwide on January 20th. It won't be much longer for those of us who are 65+,

Yes! My daughter's partner, a teacher, got hers yesterday!

Now, it appears that vaccines will be available to....

75+ End of January-beginning of February.

65+ By the end of February.

The large provider groups (Sutter/Kaiser) will notify their members when it is time.

The sooner we get vaccinated, the sooner we can reach herd immunity and take off our masks. Until then, keep the masks on.

As for those who question the efficacy/safety of vaccines, just talk to my doc. He will educate you.
Big C
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71Bear said:

mbBear said:

71Bear said:

oskidunker said:

Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.
In New York City, they bumped teachers to the front of the line. My daughter and son-in-law have their appointments on Wednesday.

The supply with open up nationwide on January 20th. It won't be much longer for those of us who are 65+,

Yes! My daughter's partner, a teacher, got hers yesterday!

Now, it appears that vaccines will be available to....

75+ End of January-beginning of February.

65+ By the end of February.

The large provider groups (Sutter/Kaiser) will notify their members when it is time.

The sooner we get vaccinated, the sooner we can reach herd immunity and take off our masks. Until then, keep the masks on.

As for those who question the efficacy/safety of vaccines, just talk to my doc. He will educate you.


Gee, the last time I wished I was a few years older was when I was a senior in high school and wanted to be 21. (Then I went to Cal and it kind of didn't matter how old you were -- times were different.) Hey, maybe my fake ID from back in the day would get me the vaccine!
oski003
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Maybe see if you can sign up for the Novavax trial if it is offered near you. They are in a Phase 3. When they unblind it, if you discover you got the placebo, you can then get an EUA vaccine. The Novavax immunogenicity and safety data is superior to Pfizer, which is in turn superior to Moderna. FYI, I am not an investor in Novavax. I would advise Sanofi, but they had a setback delaying their vaccine.
71Bear
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oski003 said:

Maybe see if you can sign up for the Novavax trial if it is offered near you. They are in a Phase 3. When they unblind it, if you discover you got the placebo, you can then get an EUA vaccine. The Novavax immunogenicity and safety data is superior to Pfizer, which is in turn superior to Moderna. FYI, I am not an investor in Novavax. I would advise Sanofi, but they had a setback delaying their vaccine.
I will accept any vaccine recommended by my physician. I trust his judgment 100%.
oski003
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71Bear said:

oski003 said:

Maybe see if you can sign up for the Novavax trial if it is offered near you. They are in a Phase 3. When they unblind it, if you discover you got the placebo, you can then get an EUA vaccine. The Novavax immunogenicity and safety data is superior to Pfizer, which is in turn superior to Moderna. FYI, I am not an investor in Novavax. I would advise Sanofi, but they had a setback delaying their vaccine.
I will accept any vaccine recommended by my physician. I trust his judgment 100%.
If you graduated in 71, you should take the first vaccine available. My recommendation was for Big C.

Anybody 65+ should get a vaccine ASAP, unless you are holed up in the woods. I assume your doctor would recommend the same. I doubt your doctor would recommend a teenager get the Moderna vaccine tomorrow, unless they had an underlying condition that made them vulnerable to covid 19 severe illness. It is a cost-benefit analysis.

Cheers.
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oski003 said:

71Bear said:

oski003 said:

Maybe see if you can sign up for the Novavax trial if it is offered near you. They are in a Phase 3. When they unblind it, if you discover you got the placebo, you can then get an EUA vaccine. The Novavax immunogenicity and safety data is superior to Pfizer, which is in turn superior to Moderna. FYI, I am not an investor in Novavax. I would advise Sanofi, but they had a setback delaying their vaccine.
I will accept any vaccine recommended by my physician. I trust his judgment 100%.
If you graduated in 71, you should take the first vaccine available. My recommendation was for Big C.

Anybody 65+ should get a vaccine ASAP, unless you are holed up in the woods. I assume your doctor would recommend the same. I doubt your doctor would recommend a teenager get the Moderna vaccine tomorrow, unless they had an underlying condition that made them vulnerable to covid 19 severe illness. It is a cost-benefit analysis.

Cheers.
This is complete nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. The only potential cost is unknown long term consequences, which are very unlikely and have not been identified. The mechanism by which they work is well understood, which is why they are very unlikely to lead to any problems long term. The 1 in 100k anaphylactic reaction can easily be reversed by an epipen, at which point you would go to the hospital for further treatment. But only a narcissist would worry about a 1 in 100k event. The mRNA vaccines are incredibly effective and there are no similar alternatives yet.

I get my info from a family member whose job is literally vaccine safety. She says the mRNA vaccines are the safest as well because they do not require an adjuvant to stimulate the immune system. Most effective and most safe is a pretty good combo.

I have a 16-year-old who will get the vaccine the first day she is able. I am not worried about her vulnerability to the disease, but rather because it is the right thing to do for the community so that we can back to some semblance of normal life. My niece is in a trial of 12-15 year-olds, and my younger one will get the vaccine when that trial is successful.
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The Cal campus received its first shipment of the Moderna vaccine!


Dear Campus Community,

We write to provide an update on our campus COVID-19 vaccination plan. The first shipment of vaccine arrived at University Health Services today and we are ready and very excited to start vaccinations at clinics on Thursday and Friday at the Tang Center.

UC Berkeley receives its vaccine directly from the California Department of Health, through the University of California Office of the President (UCOP) Office of Emergency Management. As such, our planning is subject to the UCOP distribution plan. The UC Berkeley COVID-19 Task Force is committed to interpreting and applying this plan in an equitable and transparent way that considers the incredible diversity of roles and risks within the campus population. All vaccine allocation prioritization in the state is based on California's Three Phased Planning Approach, which in turn, is based on CDC/ACIP (Center for Disease Control and Prevention/ Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices) Guidance.

With our first vaccine shipment of the Moderna vaccine, we hope to be able to vaccinate all Phase 1a UC Berkeley staff, students, and faculty who are interested within the next two weeks.

We are also continuing our planning and preparation for Phase 1b, which is expected to include many more frontline staff at high risk of exposure as well as UC Berkeley faculty, staff, students, and emeriti ages 65 and over.

Campus individuals will be contacted and offered vaccination as supply becomes available, according to the priority groups within the UC Berkeley and UCOP Plan, still in development for Phase 1b. If and when you are identified as eligible for the vaccine, you will receive email instructions on how to make an appointment for a vaccination with UHS at the Tang Center.

We are asking that department managers and supervisors review our draft Phase 1a and 1b as well as the California Phase Guidelines by Tuesday, Jan. 19, and to let UHS know by submitting this form if you believe you have staff whose roles make them eligible for either of these phases (age will be considered separately). We will consider all input carefully and may reach out for further information.

We are committed to offering the vaccine to all members of the UC Berkeley community as soon as possible, however, the details remain fluid as the vaccine (both type and quantity) is allocated to us from UCOP on a rolling basis one week at a time, vaccine supplies are limited, and prioritization guidance and requirements continue to evolve. Our vaccine webpage will be updated regularly as we get more information and details about our vaccine allotment.

In the meantime, COVID-19 cases continue to surge in California and across the country, and ICU (intensive care unit) capacity in the Bay Area is now less than 1%. Now more than ever, we need to continue to follow all public health guidelines, including most importantly limiting gathering with people outside your household, wearing face coverings, and maintaining 6 feet of physical distance from others. This is the time to rally our courage and commitment to our community so that we can make it through what we believe may be the final stretch.

Knowing how challenging the last year has been, the arrival of the vaccine to our campus brings hope after this long pandemic journey.

Be well, stay safe, and GO BEARS!

Sincerely,
Anna Harte, MD, Medical Director
University Health Services

Guy Nicolette, MD, CAQSM, Assistant Vice Chancellor
University Health Services
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Some counties have opened up vaccines to anyone over 65 starting this week.
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Some counties have opened up vaccines to anyone over 65 starting this week.
yeahbut the bay area is a Special place
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hanky1 said:

Some counties have opened up vaccines to anyone over 65 starting this week.
Some states have done the same.
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sluggo said:

oski003 said:

71Bear said:

oski003 said:

Maybe see if you can sign up for the Novavax trial if it is offered near you. They are in a Phase 3. When they unblind it, if you discover you got the placebo, you can then get an EUA vaccine. The Novavax immunogenicity and safety data is superior to Pfizer, which is in turn superior to Moderna. FYI, I am not an investor in Novavax. I would advise Sanofi, but they had a setback delaying their vaccine.
I will accept any vaccine recommended by my physician. I trust his judgment 100%.
If you graduated in 71, you should take the first vaccine available. My recommendation was for Big C.

Anybody 65+ should get a vaccine ASAP, unless you are holed up in the woods. I assume your doctor would recommend the same. I doubt your doctor would recommend a teenager get the Moderna vaccine tomorrow, unless they had an underlying condition that made them vulnerable to covid 19 severe illness. It is a cost-benefit analysis.

Cheers.
This is complete nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. The only potential cost is unknown long term consequences, which are very unlikely and have not been identified. The mechanism by which they work is well understood, which is why they are very unlikely to lead to any problems long term. The 1 in 100k anaphylactic reaction can easily be reversed by an epipen, at which point you would go to the hospital for further treatment. But only a narcissist would worry about a 1 in 100k event. The mRNA vaccines are incredibly effective and there are no similar alternatives yet.

I get my info from a family member whose job is literally vaccine safety. She says the mRNA vaccines are the safest as well because they do not require an adjuvant to stimulate the immune system. Most effective and most safe is a pretty good combo.

I have a 16-year-old who will get the vaccine the first day she is able. I am not worried about her vulnerability to the disease, but rather because it is the right thing to do for the community so that we can back to some semblance of normal life. My niece is in a trial of 12-15 year-olds, and my younger one will get the vaccine when that trial is successful.



I agree that currently unknown long term side effects are unlikely and do feel the scientific community made great effort to analyze this. However, saying they are the safest is false. The data shows otherwise. I applaud you and your family's willingness to take the vaccines to protect yourself from covid and potentially reduce its transmission. I am a proponent of social distancing and vaccines in general.
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I'm a bit restless, need to distract myself lets see....

google:

Best fly rods
Best air fryers
Best vaccines
Best coffee brewers
Best spas
etc.
Ever hopeful and it seems like forever.
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sefton said:

I'm a bit restless, need to distract myself lets see....

google:
Best fly rods
Best air fryers
Best vaccines
Best coffee brewers
Best spas
etc.
good questions. googliing "etc." yields billion and billions..
> About 3,410,000,000 results (0.86 seconds)

;~o
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oski003 said:

sluggo said:

oski003 said:

71Bear said:

oski003 said:

Maybe see if you can sign up for the Novavax trial if it is offered near you. They are in a Phase 3. When they unblind it, if you discover you got the placebo, you can then get an EUA vaccine. The Novavax immunogenicity and safety data is superior to Pfizer, which is in turn superior to Moderna. FYI, I am not an investor in Novavax. I would advise Sanofi, but they had a setback delaying their vaccine.
I will accept any vaccine recommended by my physician. I trust his judgment 100%.
If you graduated in 71, you should take the first vaccine available. My recommendation was for Big C.

Anybody 65+ should get a vaccine ASAP, unless you are holed up in the woods. I assume your doctor would recommend the same. I doubt your doctor would recommend a teenager get the Moderna vaccine tomorrow, unless they had an underlying condition that made them vulnerable to covid 19 severe illness. It is a cost-benefit analysis.

Cheers.
This is complete nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. The only potential cost is unknown long term consequences, which are very unlikely and have not been identified. The mechanism by which they work is well understood, which is why they are very unlikely to lead to any problems long term. The 1 in 100k anaphylactic reaction can easily be reversed by an epipen, at which point you would go to the hospital for further treatment. But only a narcissist would worry about a 1 in 100k event. The mRNA vaccines are incredibly effective and there are no similar alternatives yet.

I get my info from a family member whose job is literally vaccine safety. She says the mRNA vaccines are the safest as well because they do not require an adjuvant to stimulate the immune system. Most effective and most safe is a pretty good combo.

I have a 16-year-old who will get the vaccine the first day she is able. I am not worried about her vulnerability to the disease, but rather because it is the right thing to do for the community so that we can back to some semblance of normal life. My niece is in a trial of 12-15 year-olds, and my younger one will get the vaccine when that trial is successful.



I agree that currently unknown long term side effects are unlikely and do feel the scientific community made great effort to analyze this. However, saying they are the safest is false. The data shows otherwise. I applaud you and your family's willingness to take the vaccines to protect yourself from covid and potentially reduce its transmission. I am a proponent of social distancing and vaccines in general.
10 million doses given in US, 0 attributable deaths. Very rare allergic reactions reversible. 95% efficacy in clinical trials. Yet you would advise Sanofi, which literally failed in clinical trials, or Novavax, which has not reported data. I stand by my arguments.
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sluggo said:

oski003 said:

sluggo said:

oski003 said:

71Bear said:

oski003 said:

Maybe see if you can sign up for the Novavax trial if it is offered near you. They are in a Phase 3. When they unblind it, if you discover you got the placebo, you can then get an EUA vaccine. The Novavax immunogenicity and safety data is superior to Pfizer, which is in turn superior to Moderna. FYI, I am not an investor in Novavax. I would advise Sanofi, but they had a setback delaying their vaccine.
I will accept any vaccine recommended by my physician. I trust his judgment 100%.
If you graduated in 71, you should take the first vaccine available. My recommendation was for Big C.

Anybody 65+ should get a vaccine ASAP, unless you are holed up in the woods. I assume your doctor would recommend the same. I doubt your doctor would recommend a teenager get the Moderna vaccine tomorrow, unless they had an underlying condition that made them vulnerable to covid 19 severe illness. It is a cost-benefit analysis.

Cheers.
This is complete nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. The only potential cost is unknown long term consequences, which are very unlikely and have not been identified. The mechanism by which they work is well understood, which is why they are very unlikely to lead to any problems long term. The 1 in 100k anaphylactic reaction can easily be reversed by an epipen, at which point you would go to the hospital for further treatment. But only a narcissist would worry about a 1 in 100k event. The mRNA vaccines are incredibly effective and there are no similar alternatives yet.

I get my info from a family member whose job is literally vaccine safety. She says the mRNA vaccines are the safest as well because they do not require an adjuvant to stimulate the immune system. Most effective and most safe is a pretty good combo.

I have a 16-year-old who will get the vaccine the first day she is able. I am not worried about her vulnerability to the disease, but rather because it is the right thing to do for the community so that we can back to some semblance of normal life. My niece is in a trial of 12-15 year-olds, and my younger one will get the vaccine when that trial is successful.



I agree that currently unknown long term side effects are unlikely and do feel the scientific community made great effort to analyze this. However, saying they are the safest is false. The data shows otherwise. I applaud you and your family's willingness to take the vaccines to protect yourself from covid and potentially reduce its transmission. I am a proponent of social distancing and vaccines in general.
10 million doses given in US, 0 attributable deaths. Very rare allergic reactions reversible. 95% efficacy in clinical trials. Yet you would advise Sanofi, which literally failed in clinical trials, or Novavax, which has not reported data. I stand by my arguments.


Read what I wrote. I clearly wrote that Sanofi has been delayed. OTHERWISE, I would recommend their platform.

I do not fully trust the mrna 95% figure although the efficacy is good. novavax published immunogenicity and safety data. They are being funded by ows. OWS is silencing the non-mrna vaccines until they have a high enough supply ready to vaccinate people. They do not want people to know the alternatives because they are not yet available. The ends justifies the means. There have been several deaths post vaccination but no proof of causation. I imagine almost all of them are in fact non-vaccine related.

I still absolutely advise the vulnerable take it. My wife's ICU has about 5 covid deaths per day. A few months ago, they averaged 3 deaths per week from all causes.

Also, I hope that people still social distance and wear masks once vaccinated. OWS and Trump focused too much on promoting vaccination and not enough on prevention.
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oski003 said:

sluggo said:

oski003 said:

sluggo said:

oski003 said:

71Bear said:

oski003 said:

Maybe see if you can sign up for the Novavax trial if it is offered near you. They are in a Phase 3. When they unblind it, if you discover you got the placebo, you can then get an EUA vaccine. The Novavax immunogenicity and safety data is superior to Pfizer, which is in turn superior to Moderna. FYI, I am not an investor in Novavax. I would advise Sanofi, but they had a setback delaying their vaccine.
I will accept any vaccine recommended by my physician. I trust his judgment 100%.
If you graduated in 71, you should take the first vaccine available. My recommendation was for Big C.

Anybody 65+ should get a vaccine ASAP, unless you are holed up in the woods. I assume your doctor would recommend the same. I doubt your doctor would recommend a teenager get the Moderna vaccine tomorrow, unless they had an underlying condition that made them vulnerable to covid 19 severe illness. It is a cost-benefit analysis.

Cheers.
This is complete nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. The only potential cost is unknown long term consequences, which are very unlikely and have not been identified. The mechanism by which they work is well understood, which is why they are very unlikely to lead to any problems long term. The 1 in 100k anaphylactic reaction can easily be reversed by an epipen, at which point you would go to the hospital for further treatment. But only a narcissist would worry about a 1 in 100k event. The mRNA vaccines are incredibly effective and there are no similar alternatives yet.

I get my info from a family member whose job is literally vaccine safety. She says the mRNA vaccines are the safest as well because they do not require an adjuvant to stimulate the immune system. Most effective and most safe is a pretty good combo.

I have a 16-year-old who will get the vaccine the first day she is able. I am not worried about her vulnerability to the disease, but rather because it is the right thing to do for the community so that we can back to some semblance of normal life. My niece is in a trial of 12-15 year-olds, and my younger one will get the vaccine when that trial is successful.



I agree that currently unknown long term side effects are unlikely and do feel the scientific community made great effort to analyze this. However, saying they are the safest is false. The data shows otherwise. I applaud you and your family's willingness to take the vaccines to protect yourself from covid and potentially reduce its transmission. I am a proponent of social distancing and vaccines in general.
10 million doses given in US, 0 attributable deaths. Very rare allergic reactions reversible. 95% efficacy in clinical trials. Yet you would advise Sanofi, which literally failed in clinical trials, or Novavax, which has not reported data. I stand by my arguments.


Read what I wrote. I clearly wrote that Sanofi has been delayed. OTHERWISE, I would recommend their platform.

I do not fully trust the mrna 95% figure although the efficacy is good. novavax published immunogenicity and safety data. They are being funded by ows. OWS is silencing the non-mrna vaccines until they have a high enough supply ready to vaccinate people. They do not want people to know the alternatives because they are not yet available. The ends justifies the means. There have been several deaths post vaccination but no proof of causation. I imagine almost all of them are in fact non-vaccine related.

I still absolutely advise the vulnerable take it. My wife's ICU has about 5 covid deaths per day. A few months ago, they averaged 3 deaths per week from all causes.

Also, I hope that people still social distance and wear masks once vaccinated. OWS and Trump focused too much on promoting vaccination and not enough on prevention.
Last reply. Sanofi failed in a clinical trial: https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/11/sanofi-suffers-major-setback-in-development-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/ They have excuses, and maybe better next time, but that is the data. Novavax have early data, but that is it. mRNA vaccines are SAFE and EFFECTIVE in phase 3 clinical trials and in the real world of 10 million vaccinations. Everyone should get one unless they have unusual allergy profiles. They should not wait, and they should not expect anything to come along that is equivalent, although it is still possible. They are also easily reprogrammable to match new variants if that becomes necessary.

Your other arguments are political. People should social distance and wear masks until everyone has the opportunity to be vaccinated, but the virus will be here forever, and I don't think we should continue like this forever.

Credit to your wife who is helping people.
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sluggo said:

oski003 said:

sluggo said:

oski003 said:

sluggo said:

oski003 said:

71Bear said:

oski003 said:

Maybe see if you can sign up for the Novavax trial if it is offered near you. They are in a Phase 3. When they unblind it, if you discover you got the placebo, you can then get an EUA vaccine. The Novavax immunogenicity and safety data is superior to Pfizer, which is in turn superior to Moderna. FYI, I am not an investor in Novavax. I would advise Sanofi, but they had a setback delaying their vaccine.
I will accept any vaccine recommended by my physician. I trust his judgment 100%.
If you graduated in 71, you should take the first vaccine available. My recommendation was for Big C.

Anybody 65+ should get a vaccine ASAP, unless you are holed up in the woods. I assume your doctor would recommend the same. I doubt your doctor would recommend a teenager get the Moderna vaccine tomorrow, unless they had an underlying condition that made them vulnerable to covid 19 severe illness. It is a cost-benefit analysis.

Cheers.
This is complete nonsense. You have no idea what you are talking about. The only potential cost is unknown long term consequences, which are very unlikely and have not been identified. The mechanism by which they work is well understood, which is why they are very unlikely to lead to any problems long term. The 1 in 100k anaphylactic reaction can easily be reversed by an epipen, at which point you would go to the hospital for further treatment. But only a narcissist would worry about a 1 in 100k event. The mRNA vaccines are incredibly effective and there are no similar alternatives yet.

I get my info from a family member whose job is literally vaccine safety. She says the mRNA vaccines are the safest as well because they do not require an adjuvant to stimulate the immune system. Most effective and most safe is a pretty good combo.

I have a 16-year-old who will get the vaccine the first day she is able. I am not worried about her vulnerability to the disease, but rather because it is the right thing to do for the community so that we can back to some semblance of normal life. My niece is in a trial of 12-15 year-olds, and my younger one will get the vaccine when that trial is successful.



I agree that currently unknown long term side effects are unlikely and do feel the scientific community made great effort to analyze this. However, saying they are the safest is false. The data shows otherwise. I applaud you and your family's willingness to take the vaccines to protect yourself from covid and potentially reduce its transmission. I am a proponent of social distancing and vaccines in general.
10 million doses given in US, 0 attributable deaths. Very rare allergic reactions reversible. 95% efficacy in clinical trials. Yet you would advise Sanofi, which literally failed in clinical trials, or Novavax, which has not reported data. I stand by my arguments.


Read what I wrote. I clearly wrote that Sanofi has been delayed. OTHERWISE, I would recommend their platform.

I do not fully trust the mrna 95% figure although the efficacy is good. novavax published immunogenicity and safety data. They are being funded by ows. OWS is silencing the non-mrna vaccines until they have a high enough supply ready to vaccinate people. They do not want people to know the alternatives because they are not yet available. The ends justifies the means. There have been several deaths post vaccination but no proof of causation. I imagine almost all of them are in fact non-vaccine related.

I still absolutely advise the vulnerable take it. My wife's ICU has about 5 covid deaths per day. A few months ago, they averaged 3 deaths per week from all causes.

Also, I hope that people still social distance and wear masks once vaccinated. OWS and Trump focused too much on promoting vaccination and not enough on prevention.
Last reply. Sanofi failed in a clinical trial: https://www.statnews.com/2020/12/11/sanofi-suffers-major-setback-in-development-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/ They have excuses, and maybe better next time, but that is the data. Novavax have early data, but that is it. mRNA vaccines are SAFE and EFFECTIVE in phase 3 clinical trials and in the real world of 10 million vaccinations. Everyone should get one unless they have unusual allergy profiles. They should not wait, and they should not expect anything to come along that is equivalent, although it is still possible. They are also easily reprogrammable to match new variants if that becomes necessary.

Your other arguments are political. People should social distance and wear masks until everyone has the opportunity to be vaccinated, but the virus will be here forever, and I don't think we should continue like this forever.

Credit to your wife who is helping people.



I see your point. It is important to discuss this. I hope to get past covid 19 soon as well. I heard some very bad things this morning about a variant out of Brazil. I hope that the mrna vaccines have durable protection, I hope they cover new variants, and I hope they can be used safely as boosters.
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Big C said:

71Bear said:

mbBear said:

71Bear said:

oskidunker said:

Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.
In New York City, they bumped teachers to the front of the line. My daughter and son-in-law have their appointments on Wednesday.

The supply with open up nationwide on January 20th. It won't be much longer for those of us who are 65+,

Yes! My daughter's partner, a teacher, got hers yesterday!

Now, it appears that vaccines will be available to....

75+ End of January-beginning of February.

65+ By the end of February.

The large provider groups (Sutter/Kaiser) will notify their members when it is time.

The sooner we get vaccinated, the sooner we can reach herd immunity and take off our masks. Until then, keep the masks on.

As for those who question the efficacy/safety of vaccines, just talk to my doc. He will educate you.


Gee, the last time I wished I was a few years older was when I was a senior in high school and wanted to be 21. (Then I went to Cal and it kind of didn't matter how old you were -- times were different.) Hey, maybe my fake ID from back in the day would get me the vaccine!
hmm....might have to research getting a fake ID????? ha
 
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