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Dear 71: The virus did not originate in bats. The virus accidentally escaped from one of the two biological labs in Wuhan. The nearest "bats" are almost 1,000. miles away and they do not migrate. The Chinesehave been working on bat viruses in both of these labs for several decAdes. our scientists have been warning about the lax conditions in these labs for decades. Also, to date
1) The Chinese refuse to admit anyone into Wuhan to discover the 'origin"
2) No one has produced any evidence that "bats" were on sale in the "wet markets."

This virus was man-made in both of the Wuhan Labs. A virus accidentally escaped from the lab.
Then, to compound this tragedy, the Chinese authorities kept this secret for 5-6 weeks. by that time, the virus was spreading around the world...

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You really believe that don't you...

Wow. Just, Wow...

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Yeah, Wow. The ignorant stay ignorant. And I'm pointing my finger at you.

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There is none so blind as those who will not see....

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yes, this is the second time that you mentioned the 65+ group. But if you know that demographic, I politicos in Sacto have to know it as well. And they should have planned for the difference. If they did account for a lower 65+ group, then the State HD already addressed your point; if they did not, that's on them, i.e., self-inflicted.

Yes, it is like JIT logistics, but how come other states were able to get up and running much faster? All states received a prorata share of the juice at the same time. Why was one of the richest states in teh world lagging?

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Of the 25 largest states, only 2 have administered vaccines to a higher percentage of their population. Why is that? Why is every other big state falling behind? Why are we catching up and passing states so quickly given how far back we started?

Why haven't these other states planned as you've noted? The questions are easy to ask, but the answers may not be so simple.

We are still at the very inception. When the story of our vaccination response is written, do you think people will focus on the 2 week period where California fell behind other states or what happened afterward?

It's not like we are talking about preventing the pandemic from happening - we left the barn door open a long time ago. So forgive me for being a bit skeptical of the complaining about the very preliminary portion of our vaccine program, when we've already begun to outpace most of the country and almost every other large state.

As I've stated again and again, everyone needs to do better. Israel got off to a great start vaccinating their population but they've seen demand drop off. The real trick isn't how quickly you get to 10% of your population vaccinated but how long will it take to get to the level of herd immunity needed to actually suppress this pandemic and return to normalcy. That's what I care about and where I hope we as a country spare no expense in attaining. If we have to pay people to get vaccinated (whether through tax credits or otherwise) that's money better spent than continuing to give handouts while we allow the economy to falter because we fail to get the pandemic under control.

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Unit2, you've laid out some nuanced ideas which I totally agree with, but I'd like to add one thing: Getting towards herd immunity is only one of the "real tricks" here. The other is to get almost all the vulnerable population vaccinated ASAP to minimize fatalities and hospitalizations. I'm not sure what percentage of the population that actually is, or even how exactly to define them, but let's say it's 25%. Once you get them stuck, the deaths are going to drop off the charts. (The rest of the population is important, too, so the virus doesn't have this petri dish from which to mutate. Plus COVID can hit ANYBODY hard, seemingly at random.)

So speed early on does count. It's like a 100m race where a medal is also given for the leader at the 40 yard mark. Still, as you noted, we're only at about the ten yard mark.

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Dear 71: The virus did not originate in bats. The virus accidentally escaped from one of the two biological labs in Wuhan. The nearest "bats" are almost 1,000. miles away and they do not migrate. The Chinesehave been working on bat viruses in both of these labs for several decAdes. our scientists have been warning about the lax conditions in these labs for decades. Also, to date
1) The Chinese refuse to admit anyone into Wuhan to discover the 'origin"
2) No one has produced any evidence that "bats" were on sale in the "wet markets."

This virus was man-made in both of the Wuhan Labs. A virus accidentally escaped from the lab.
Then, to compound this tragedy, the Chinese authorities kept this secret for 5-6 weeks. by that time, the virus was spreading around the world...

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You really believe that don't you...

Wow. Just, Wow...

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Yeah, Wow. The ignorant stay ignorant. And I'm pointing my finger at you.

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There is none so blind as those who will not see....

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At my age, my vision is not as good ad it used to be.
My perception, on the other hand, surpasses ...

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yes, this is the second time that you mentioned the 65+ group. But if you know that demographic, I politicos in Sacto have to know it as well. And they should have planned for the difference. If they did account for a lower 65+ group, then the State HD already addressed your point; if they did not, that's on them, i.e., self-inflicted.

Yes, it is like JIT logistics, but how come other states were able to get up and running much faster? All states received a prorata share of the juice at the same time. Why was one of the richest states in teh world lagging?

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Of the 25 largest states, only 2 have administered vaccines to a higher percentage of their population. Why is that? Why is every other big state falling behind? Why are we catching up and passing states so quickly given how far back we started?

Why haven't these other states planned as you've noted? The questions are easy to ask, but the answers may not be so simple.

We are still at the very inception. When the story of our vaccination response is written, do you think people will focus on the 2 week period where California fell behind other states or what happened afterward?

It's not like we are talking about preventing the pandemic from happening - we left the barn door open a long time ago. So forgive me for being a bit skeptical of the complaining about the very preliminary portion of our vaccine program, when we've already begun to outpace most of the country and almost every other large state.

As I've stated again and again, everyone needs to do better. Israel got off to a great start vaccinating their population but they've seen demand drop off. The real trick isn't how quickly you get to 10% of your population vaccinated but how long will it take to get to the level of herd immunity needed to actually suppress this pandemic and return to normalcy. That's what I care about and where I hope we as a country spare no expense in attaining. If we have to pay people to get vaccinated (whether through tax credits or otherwise) that's money better spent than continuing to give handouts while we allow the economy to falter because we fail to get the pandemic under control.

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Unit2, you've laid out some nuanced ideas which I totally agree with, but I'd like to add one thing: Getting towards herd immunity is only one of the "real tricks" here. The other is to get almost all the vulnerable population vaccinated ASAP to minimize fatalities and hospitalizations. I'm not sure what percentage of the population that actually is, or even how exactly to define them, but let's say it's 25%. Once you get them stuck, the deaths are going to drop off the charts. (The rest of the population is important, too, so the virus doesn't have this petri dish from which to mutate. Plus COVID can hit ANYBODY hard, seemingly at random.)

So speed early on does count. It's like a 100m race where a medal is also given for the leader at the 40 yard mark. Still, as you noted, we're only at about the ten yard mark.

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Completely agree - getting the vulnerable population vaccinated is critical and we're not doing a great job on that count yet. We need more people to have access to vaccines and more people to trust them. I'm hopeful that as real world results start to show the benefits of vaccination, fewer people will decide to abstain.

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Dear 71: The virus did not originate in bats. The virus accidentally escaped from one of the two biological labs in Wuhan. The nearest "bats" are almost 1,000. miles away and they do not migrate. The Chinesehave been working on bat viruses in both of these labs for several decAdes. our scientists have been warning about the lax conditions in these labs for decades. Also, to date
1) The Chinese refuse to admit anyone into Wuhan to discover the 'origin"
2) No one has produced any evidence that "bats" were on sale in the "wet markets."

This virus was man-made in both of the Wuhan Labs. A virus accidentally escaped from the lab.
Then, to compound this tragedy, the Chinese authorities kept this secret for 5-6 weeks. by that time, the virus was spreading around the world...

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You really believe that don't you...

Wow. Just, Wow...

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Yeah, Wow. The ignorant stay ignorant. And I'm pointing my finger at you.

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There is none so blind as those who will not see....

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At my age, my vision is not as good ad it used to be.
My perception, on the other hand, surpasses ...

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That explains everything given that perception is not reality....

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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60 states.

But seriously, if you go by STATES and YOUR source California ranks 35th. That is literally bottom third of states. That could move my the time you look at the data, its only 1% from 33rd and then it would be middle of the pack.

This is what I mean by applauding: You are cheerleading mediocrity to the point that you cant admit that California is in the bottom third of states (clearly stated by Golden) despite BOTH of your two sources confirming it.

Just acknowledge the data and have some intellectual honesty.

16th for distribution of what we have been given. 20th for first dose. 11th for second dose.

California is NOT middle of the pack unless you cherry pick data... and aside from cheerleading, I am not sure what the point of that is.

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This is silly - the data is constantly changing. When I wrote my post, there were 23 states (yes - states) that were ranked lower than California. As of this minute, LA Times is still showing yesterday's data with 23 states trailing California. As of this minute, USA Today shows 15 but perhaps after CA provides updated daily numbers it will go back to some higher number. CA is at 7.8% and US average is 8.7% - so we are not talking about a massive shortfall that can't be eclipsed. I would like to know how big California's at risk population is. If we have a higher percentage of 65 and over people than other states, we should have a higher percentage vaccinated. I don't see any website which pulls that together.

Everything I've posted about this has been true when posted. I'm not cheerleading, I'm not applauding, I'm not misleading, I'm posting facts. Everything else is in your imagination. You and Golden One are the ones providing subjective analysis of the situation and making value judgments.

I will criticize the state if we continue to fall behind or are somehow slower to achieve herd immunity. We've had hiccups but seem to administering vaccines each day at a more or less average rate right now and doing far better than average in some big counties (OC, LA, Santa Clara, SD, SF) and doing poorly in others (Riverside, San Bernardino).

We need to keep the hammer down and bring the whole state up as quickly as possible. Tell everyone you know over 65 to go out and get vaccinated. That's how we get our numbers up - not through pointless infighting on a football message board.

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No subjective analysis or value judgments by me, just presentation of the facts. You are the one looking at the situation with rose-colored glasses and skewing the data.

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Facts from you? Hahahahaha....I remember all of those FACTS you spread during the election that did not come true!

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yes, this is the second time that you mentioned the 65+ group. But if you know that demographic, I politicos in Sacto have to know it as well. And they should have planned for the difference. If they did account for a lower 65+ group, then the State HD already addressed your point; if they did not, that's on them, i.e., self-inflicted.

Yes, it is like JIT logistics, but how come other states were able to get up and running much faster? All states received a prorata share of the juice at the same time. Why was one of the richest states in teh world lagging?

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Of the 25 largest states, only 2 have administered vaccines to a higher percentage of their population. Why is that? Why is every other big state falling behind? Why are we catching up and passing states so quickly given how far back we started?

Why haven't these other states planned as you've noted? The questions are easy to ask, but the answers may not be so simple.

We are still at the very inception. When the story of our vaccination response is written, do you think people will focus on the 2 week period where California fell behind other states or what happened afterward?

It's not like we are talking about preventing the pandemic from happening - we left the barn door open a long time ago. So forgive me for being a bit skeptical of the complaining about the very preliminary portion of our vaccine program, when we've already begun to outpace most of the country and almost every other large state.

As I've stated again and again, everyone needs to do better. Israel got off to a great start vaccinating their population but they've seen demand drop off. The real trick isn't how quickly you get to 10% of your population vaccinated but how long will it take to get to the level of herd immunity needed to actually suppress this pandemic and return to normalcy. That's what I care about and where I hope we as a country spare no expense in attaining. If we have to pay people to get vaccinated (whether through tax credits or otherwise) that's money better spent than continuing to give handouts while we allow the economy to falter because we fail to get the pandemic under control.

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Unit2, you've laid out some nuanced ideas which I totally agree with, but I'd like to add one thing: Getting towards herd immunity is only one of the "real tricks" here. The other is to get almost all the vulnerable population vaccinated ASAP to minimize fatalities and hospitalizations. I'm not sure what percentage of the population that actually is, or even how exactly to define them, but let's say it's 25%. Once you get them stuck, the deaths are going to drop off the charts. (The rest of the population is important, too, so the virus doesn't have this petri dish from which to mutate. Plus COVID can hit ANYBODY hard, seemingly at random.)

So speed early on does count. It's like a 100m race where a medal is also given for the leader at the 40 yard mark. Still, as you noted, we're only at about the ten yard mark.

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Completely agree - getting the vulnerable population vaccinated is critical and we're not doing a great job on that count yet. We need more people to have access to vaccines and more people to trust them. I'm hopeful that as real world results start to show the benefits of vaccination, fewer people will decide to abstain.

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Masks and shutdowns required everyone to cooperate for the good of all. It was not just to protect yourself, but to protect others. That was undermined by those who pushed a selfish perspective or just false information for largely political reasons.

The good thing about vaccines is that if we make them available to everyone, especially the vulnerable, then we don't need to worry about herd immunity. Everyone who wants the vaccine will be (mostly) protected and antivaxers can take their chances or take hydroxycloraquine, inject themselves with bleach, drink the kook aid or do whatever the latest meme that shows up in their newsfeed tells them to do.

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Masks and shutdowns required everyone to cooperate for the good of all. It was not just to protect yourself, but to protect others. That was undermined by those who pushed a selfish perspective or just false information for largely political reasons.

The good thing about vaccines is that if we make them available to everyone, especially the vulnerable, then we don't need to worry about herd immunity. Everyone who wants the vaccine will be (mostly) protected and antivaxers can take their chances or take hydroxycloraquine, inject themselves with bleach, drink the kook aid or do whatever the latest meme that shows up in their newsfeed tells them to do.

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If the virus didn't mutate, that would be fine. Unfortunately, it does and the chances increase with each new infection. So if they don't get vaccinated and act like idiots, they increase the chances of proliferating variants that may not be effective under the current vaccines. So they can still end up screwing everyone over.

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You gotta crawl before you can walk. You gotta get to 10% before you can get to 70+% (or whatever herd immunity requires).

There is just no excuse for starting late. CA shoulda been a leader. The faster the masses are vaccinated, the faster the state can open up and kids can get back to school, etc.

71: my dear boy: EVEryone in Wash DC knows thge virus escaped from one of the two biological labs in Wuhan. for the last 15 years, US scientists and virolgists have been warning that thge Wuhan labs do not even meet the minimum safety requirements.
To repeat, to this day, China will not allow inspectors into Wuhan to discover the origin.....What does this mean?????DUH!!!!!!!
The nearest bats are roughly 1,000 miles away...and they do not migrate.
This Admin, Big Tech, and Big Business have a vested interest in not telling the American people the true origin
China has the 8X10 glossies on the Biden family....i.e. Chinese payments to the family which go back decades------have you not heard of the Hunter Biden tapes?????

As Bill Walton would say, 'PLEASE"!!.

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71: my dear boy: EVEryone in Wash DC knows thge virus escaped from one of the two biological labs in Wuhan. for the last 15 years, US scientists and virolgists have been warning that thge Wuhan labs do not even meet the minimum safety requirements.
To repeat, to this day, China will not allow inspectors into Wuhan to discover the origin.....What does this mean?????DUH!!!!!!!
The nearest bats are roughly 1,000 miles away...and they do not migrate.
This Admin, Big Tech, and Big Business have a vested interest in not telling the American people the true origin
China has the 8X10 glossies on the Biden family....i.e. Chinese payments to the family which go back decades------have you not heard of the Hunter Biden tapes?????

As Bill Walton would say, 'PLEASE"!!.

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Bad news for you, HTP...

Your commentary is replete with false statements. May I remind you that repeating lies over and over and over and over hoping that something will stick went out of vogue on January 20th. We have now returned to a world in which truth and science are the coin of the realm.

List one---just one false statement--

You wouldn't know twain if you tripped over him...

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Ah-ha....

Now you have decided to turn the tables and put the onus on me to identify your falsehoods. Nicely done. You have learned well. Make a bunch of ridiculously preposterous statements and then burden someone to set you straight. This sounds awfully familiar. We just finished dealing with four years worth of similar tactics that were utilized by a highly placed government official.

Here's an idea - Why not just look the stuff up yourself? Heck, you might learn something in the process. You can start by checking the population of Washington DC (approx. 700,000) and thinking abut your comment that "everyone knows". The last time all 700,000 people living within the borders of our capital city agreed on something was the first. Or perhaps, you might want to educate yourself regarding the recently concluded trip to China by a group of individuals that were tasked with examining the origins of the virus. The trip was sponsored by W.H.O. Look it up. Their findings were quite interesting.

There is certainly more nonsense in your post but I wouldn't want to give you too much to think about. That might cause you brain overload.

Assuming you are a Cal grad, I am trying to understand what happened during the time you were supposed to be engaged in critical thinking. Do some reading from a variety of sources. Open your mind to multiple sources of information. You learn a lot more from those with whom you disagree when they present factual data than those with whom you agree but do nothing more than regurgitate stuff that has debunked repeatedly.

Remember - repeatedly telling a lie does not make it true.

I am 67 so eligible in SD Cnty. Tried unsuccessfully to get a dose on the County website past few weeks and hit the jackpot Tuesday with a jab of Moderna at the Petco Park drive through. Well run deal! I Do not trust big business nor the government so have avoided all vaccines for at least three decades. Glad I did it though in light of the seriousness of the virus. Hope it works!!! Cal has been ridiculed on local radio for proscribing solitary outdoor exercising. No wonder it is tough to recruit when "Berkeley" is always scorned for its wacko political antics including suppression of free speech. People in SD don't even know that our alma mater is "California" and not "Berkeley". It has to be tough pitching Cal to the parents of recruits.

Congrats on getting vaccinated.

Got my first Pfizer today at the University of Guam gym administered by super nice Guam National Guard. It is 55 an over here. Cases are in single digits.

Dear 71: The virus escaped from one of the two labs in Wuhan. My deceAsed hamster knows that...And, he didn't go past the third grade.

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Dear 71: The virus escaped from one of the two labs in Wuhan. My deceAsed hamster knows that...And, he didn't go past the third grade.

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Would you mind handing the keyboard to your hamster? Would be nice to hear from someone with a better grip on reality in your household and you've set the bar incredibly low.

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Dear 71: The virus escaped from one of the two labs in Wuhan. My deceAsed hamster knows that...And, he didn't go past the third grade.

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Would you mind handing the keyboard to your hamster? Would be nice to hear from someone with a better grip on reality in your household and you've set the bar incredibly low.

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He thinks that by continually repeating a lie that we will eventually become believers. You will notice that he has failed to provide one shred of evidence from a respected source. In fact, some of us inform ourselves by reading material published by those sources before making any assertions. I guess reading unbiased, fact-based information is too much of an imposition on those who would prefer parroting the drivel that comes from the mouths of those who make their living pandering to the masses who are too lazy to seek the truth.

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Dear 71: The virus escaped from one of the two labs in Wuhan. My deceAsed hamster knows that...And, he didn't go past the third grade.

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Would you mind handing the keyboard to your hamster? Would be nice to hear from someone with a better grip on reality in your household and you've set the bar incredibly low.

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He thinks that by continually repeating a lie that we will eventually become believers. You will notice that he has failed to provide one shred of evidence from a respected source. In fact, some of us inform ourselves by reading material published by those sources before making any assertions. I guess reading unbiased, fact-based information is too much of an imposition on those who would prefer parroting the drivel that comes from the mouths of those who make their living pandering to the masses who are too lazy to seek the truth.

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It's so lazy.

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To repeat, to this day, China will not allow inspectors into Wuhan to discover the origin.....What does this mean?????DUH!!!!!!!

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A team from the WHO visited a couple weeks ago.

And held a news conference a few days ago:
WHO team: Coronavirus unlikely to have leaked from China lab

This took like five minutes to find and read up on.

The WHO?????The Who is a subsidiary wholly bought and paid for by the PRC. How come you don't know that??The Who was/ is so discredited that many of its members signed a petition demanding the termination of thge Chief Executive, mr, Tedros, who wasn't even a Physician. The Us was so infuriated with Tedros and The Who that it withdrew its membership. naturally, with Biden black in power, and TOTALLY beholden to the PRC ( please the Hunter Biden tapes) the US has re-joined the totally discredited WHO. You will notice ( or maybe you won't) the PRC will not admit anyone elseto inspect the origins of the Virus EXCEPT the discredited WHO.
Not only did the PRC hide thge true origins of the Virus, they kept the info from circulating to the World for a periods of 5-6 weeks. During that critical time, thge Virus was allowed to circulate around the world. The folks who communicate "news" to the American people are so beholden to the PRC that they either continue to perpetuate the 'wet-market bat theory', or remain totally silent concerning the much more plausible cause of the outbreak. propaganda is always with us----it is much more formidable today because of social media and the total merging of the MSM, Hollywood Academia , and the 'late-night comics" with the modern Democrat party. Somewhere, George Orwell is spinning g in his grave.

I am nota virologist; but, I do have two advanced degrees in Health Care Administration from George Washington Univ and UCLA. Also, I was an epidemiologist in San Francisco between 1965-1966 so I do have some know ledge of the current topic. You are welcome.

Dear Sucks: I am thinking of excavating my dead hamster. Let's call him Joe. He also stuttered and had a hard time reading from a teleprompter. but, at least, Hamster Joe did not get his "news" from CNN, MSNBC, Whoopie Goldberg, Jane Fonda, Don Lemon, Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi ( the daughter of a mobster who has had 39 face lifts ) Bill Maher, mr. Colbert and little Georgie Stephanopolous who is a not-so-secret financial and political supporter of the Demo party. So----there's that.....Not that there's anything wrong withJane Fonda and Whoopie Goldberg.......I understand both of them recently passed their third-grade reading comp test---- so---there is always hope....

The truth might be somewhere in the middle here. The WHO does a lot of great work, but they are also a politicized organization. I would take their Wuhan report with a grain of salt. Probably true, but maybe not. (And this is one of the reasons we should support them... so they are more friendly to our point of view. $$$$ = increased "trust").

I doubt that SARS-CoV-2 came out of one of the Wuhan labs simply because my first reaction to conspiracy theories is to assume they're bs. But I'd keep looking into the matter and, in general, keep an eye on countries like China and Russia. This is why we have a CIA. It is also why we should be active in foreign affairs and encourage democracy (starting within our borders). It's a rough world out there.

As Reagan -- a man for whom I never voted -- said: Trust, but verify.

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The WHO?????The Who is a subsidiary wholly bought and paid for by the PRC. How come you don't know that??The Who was/ is so discredited that many of its members signed a petition demanding the termination of thge Chief Executive, mr, Tedros, who wasn't even a Physician. The Us was so infuriated with Tedros and The Who that it withdrew its membership. naturally, with Biden black in power, and TOTALLY beholden to the PRC ( please the Hunter Biden tapes) the US has re-joined the totally discredited WHO. You will notice ( or maybe you won't) the PRC will not admit anyone elseto inspect the origins of the Virus EXCEPT the discredited WHO.
Not only did the PRC hide thge true origins of the Virus, they kept the info from circulating to the World for a periods of 5-6 weeks. During that critical time, thge Virus was allowed to circulate around the world. The folks who communicate "news" to the American people are so beholden to the PRC that they either continue to perpetuate the 'wet-market bat theory', or remain totally silent concerning the much more plausible cause of the outbreak. propaganda is always with us----it is much more formidable today because of social media and the total merging of the MSM, Hollywood Academia , and the 'late-night comics" with the modern Democrat party. Somewhere, George Orwell is spinning g in his grave.

I am nota virologist; but, I do have two advanced degrees in Health Care Administration from George Washington Univ and UCLA. Also, I was an epidemiologist in San Francisco between 1965-1966 so I do have some know ledge of the current topic. You are welcome.

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Complete nonsense.

The WHO is not "wholly bought for and paid by China". The US accounts for more of their annual budget than China. And of course it's an international organization with payments from a lot of other countries so neither the US nor China comprise a majority of their funding. It takes two seconds to look up their funding.

You say:

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You said China hasn't let anyone inspect. I post a couple links that clearly demonstrates otherwise and your response is to move the goalposts, attack the WHO, and rant about Hunter Biden.

If you have anything to substantiate anything you've said, post it.

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71: my dear boy: EVEryone in Wash DC knows thge virus escaped from one of the two biological labs in Wuhan. for the last 15 years, US scientists and virolgists have been warning that thge Wuhan labs do not even meet the minimum safety requirements.
To repeat, to this day, China will not allow inspectors into Wuhan to discover the origin.....What does this mean?????DUH!!!!!!!
The nearest bats are roughly 1,000 miles away...and they do not migrate.
This Admin, Big Tech, and Big Business have a vested interest in not telling the American people the true origin
China has the 8X10 glossies on the Biden family....i.e. Chinese payments to the family which go back decades------have you not heard of the Hunter Biden tapes?????

As Bill Walton would say, 'PLEASE"!!.

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Bad news for you, HTP...

Your commentary is replete with false statements. May I remind you that repeating lies over and over and over and over hoping that something will stick went out of vogue on January 20th. We have now returned to a world in which truth and science are the coin of the realm.

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71Bear -BANNED

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71: my dear boy: EVEryone in Wash DC knows thge virus escaped from one of the two biological labs in Wuhan. for the last 15 years, US scientists and virolgists have been warning that thge Wuhan labs do not even meet the minimum safety requirements.
To repeat, to this day, China will not allow inspectors into Wuhan to discover the origin.....What does this mean?????DUH!!!!!!!
The nearest bats are roughly 1,000 miles away...and they do not migrate.
This Admin, Big Tech, and Big Business have a vested interest in not telling the American people the true origin
China has the 8X10 glossies on the Biden family....i.e. Chinese payments to the family which go back decades------have you not heard of the Hunter Biden tapes?????

As Bill Walton would say, 'PLEASE"!!.

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Bad news for you, HTP...

Your commentary is replete with false statements. May I remind you that repeating lies over and over and over and over hoping that something will stick went out of vogue on January 20th. We have now returned to a world in which truth and science are the coin of the realm.

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71Bear -BANNED

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Tell you what - here's the deal, I'll stop posting here if you and the rest of the people who continually post lies will discontinue that practice.

If you restricted to your self to Cal sports, post away!
Leave your arrogance for other fora.

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If you restricted to your self to Cal sports, post away!
Leave your arrogance for other fora.

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Regarding your first sentence, that might be said about a number of other posters here. Posting debunked crap on public forums is a plague that is beyond comprehension. It is one thing to post an opinion and designate as such. It is another to post stuff as "fact" when it is obviously unsubstantiated.

it's substantiated......you don't/won't/can't believe it because it intrudes upon your narrative which precludes this scenario. I don't know any fourth-grader who believes anything the PRC says. Please see the history of Communist China from Chairman Mao to the present day. Jesus!!!!!Also, please google all the Chinese scientists and virologists who have been silenced, disappeared, or imprisoned for daring to conduct honest research.....Also, please google all the Christians and Muslims who have been persecuted, tortured and imprisoned in the PRC. Man....who do you read????Watch????"Sad" doesn't begin to describe your naivet....The old Soviet Union had two words to describe your beliefs, understandings.....please google....The first word begins with a U...thge second word begins with an I. . The first word contains six letters...the second word contains five letters.

Hmmmm- the exchanges above (HTH and 71Bears) exemplify the problem I have discerned with trying to find factual news reporting. I find that Goggle, Edge, Safari and Mozilla tend to produce results from queries that are subtly different (biased politically) from what is produced from the same queries produced by Duck Duck Go. I don't trust any of them but the scientific method I employ (same query to all the sites), has disclosed that the DuckDuck site is superior. Not perfect, but over the past four years of employing this method the results militate toward DuckDuck as superior at producing more information with less suppression of free speech. The idea of "banning" a person from espousing political speech is anathema to our Constitution and the values over which our veterans fought and died for. Still searching for a source of "news" that is more factually accurate. I read 20-30 sites daily and don't care for any of them.

This is from the Biden admin. For them to allow something like this out...yeah you know things are f'ed up. You may not like Trump's rhetoric but it appears Biden is also questioning the narrative. It's clear to even China lovers in our govt that there was a cover up

Thank you Chairman Mao..

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Check your county health department because they differ in priority order.

San Mateo county includes 75 year olds AND 65 year olds with pre existing condition in 1B. Contra Costa puts 65 year olds below 75 year olds.

Many states have a clear order and expected vaccination dates, Calif does not.

Be proactive and call your provider once your demographic is eligible. I am with Kaiser who still have not put up any useful information. I bet I get it at CVS before Kaiser gets it together, but who knows.

Some states are allowing 65 year olds as of tomorrow. Wether they have enough supply to do it is doubtful.

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Kaiser this week opened up vaccinations for 75+
I was able to schedule an appointment for myself but not for my wife since she is just 74+. The hospital was adamant that anyone not 75 could not get the appointment unless they met one of the other criteria (healthcare worker, long term care occupant, etc)

I have read in authoritative sources that one possible results of taking the vaccine is low grade fever and related symptoms.

Is it even remotely possible that my taking the vaccine can adversely affect my wife. We share EVERYTHING and have been effectively sheltering in place since March except for the odd trip to the grocery store.

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Kaiser opened it up to 65+
I know that as fact. I got my first in Oakland yesterday....Moderna.
Only side effect is it feels like I was hit with a 95 mph hardball in my left shoulder.

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Kaiser Oakland is where my kids and I were born and we still go there! What steps did you have to take, in order to get vaccinated? Were you notified or did you contact them? How did you hear about the possibility? (I am still a bit under the age limit, I haven't wished I was a little older since I was 19!)

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I went on line at KP.org and looked up Covid Vaccine...and struck out at many other locations. Oakland had multiple options for this past week....

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My inlaws, who live in Placerville and are well over 80, are still waiting for their vaccine. Kaiser is saying they will let them know.... Meanwhile, elsewhere 65 and up are getting theirs. Crazy.

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You gotta be proactive. I checked online every night the week before my appt. On Wednesday the 13th, the website said appts would be available beginning the next day for 65+. I called the number provided at 8am on the 14th, waited 30 minutes, spoke to a rep. and made an appt for the 18th.

Waiting for them to call you - not a good idea.....
Calling them and pressing the issue - good idea.....

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I rarely agree with this guy, but have to on this.
You gotta fight for your right to party with vaccinations. Kick in the door. Gavin Nuisance has lead us to 50th place out of 50 states in getting vaccines the state already has, into people's arms. Enough dicking around.

And sign the recall petition.

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I have some good news for you: you have been greatly misinformed. It's true the state had difficulty with early data on vaccine delivery but we are nowhere near 50th. At this point we are above average in having distributed over 64% of the vaccines on hand and we are not too far behind in the percentage of the state that has been vaccinated (and doing better than about 20 states in that metric). Our vaccination rate is accelerating and I expect us to be above average within weeks.

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• Don't know where you're getting your information, but according to USA Today, California has vaccinated only 7.7% of its population, which places it in the bottom third of all 50 states.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/01/14/covid-vaccine-distribution-by-state-how-many-covid-vaccines-have-been-given-in-us-how-many-people/6599531002/

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My post had a link to Bloomberg's vaccine tracker - please feel free to check it out.

As for the USA Today - it's showing California ahead of more than 20 states in vaccinations as a percentage of population - 7.7%. It's showing a lower percentage of doses relative to supply than when I made my post (and Bloomberg's tracker has been updated to match) so I would imagine that's due to recent deliveries which is great news.

The numbers are constantly being updated but it's pretty clear that California is accelerating and nowhere near the bottom of the pack.

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Providing my two cents based upon my recent experiences.
1. Anyone 65+ interested in getting a vaccine shot should regularly check out <my turn.ca.gov>.
I am 75 and with persistent calling was successful in getting a vaccine appointment through Kaiser. But l was unable to arrange an appointment for my wife who is 74.
My daughter who is a teacher made her appointment for a vaccination using the <my turn.ca.gov> website. While she was in the process, she discovered that SOME appointments were available for people 65+ (who are not teachers). So she immediately made an appointment for my wife.

The appointment through <my turn.ca.gov> are for the big drive-thru vaccination site at the Oakland Coliseum. My wife got her vaccination yesterday.

I was impressed with the organization there. The CA National Guard manned the setup and crowd control. The shots were administered by healthcare volunteers.
Hundreds of cars slowly drove thru the maze of
cones at 5 mph in the huge Coliseum North parking lot.

The cars were directed to the vaccination stations (probably 18 or 21 total). We stopped for just a few minutes, information was exchanged (and appointments confirmed). Shots were given. We drove to a post-vaccination station for 15 minutes. Then drove out of the parking lot.
The entire process took less than 45 minutes from entering the maze to exit
The process was orderly and everyone was friendly. It reminded me of the atmosphere of parking for an Oakland A's game without the Green and gold paraphernalia. And without the parking fees.

But if you go REMEMBER to bring your paperwork and Identification. I know that some posters on this board do not like Big Government. This was Bug Government at its best.

2. There has been some criticism of Kaiser's response. The information available from Kaiser is very transparent. The appointment website clearly lists how many doses have been received from the
government, how many have been given to patients and how many are committed for patients with confirmed appointments. The number of vaccinations given plus the number of confirmed appointments always exceeds the number of doses received from the government.
Clearly Kaiser is not sitting on any doses and is getting shots into arms as quickly as possible. It's ability to do that is limited by the number of doses being made available by the Government (I.e. the Federal government).