> hmm....might have to research getting a fake ID?????
a week ahead of getting juiced we studied cnn's "how to prepare for you covid-19 vaccination - advice from Dr Wen"
# army days exhortation "SHORT!"
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04/health/covid-vaccine-side-effects-wen-wellness/index.html

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How to prepare for your Covid-19 vaccination
By Katia Hetter

As more people around the world get access to the coronavirus vaccines, many questions remain. Will it work? Will there be side effects? Do I need to rest after I get the vaccine? Can I hang out with my friends and family now?

We spoke with CNN Medical Analyst Dr. Leana Wen, an emergency physician and visiting professor at George Washington University Milken Institute School of Public Health, for guidance on how to plan for taking care of ourselves and our loved ones as more people get vaccinated.

CNN: Do I need to do anything to prepare for getting the vaccine?

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calumnus said:

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Here in Guam it is now 55 and over for vaccine. I'll go tomorrow.

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congrats. trip report?

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I suspect we will need a booster shot at some point in the late summer/early fall.

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and wouldn't it be nice if makers could throw some in next season's flu vaccination, iirc routinely done with prior year's influenza recipes?

Mostly people who have moved away and cant afford to move back.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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Not true. I said states, not including U.S. territories, such as Puerto Rico. Check the data again.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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60 states.

But seriously, if you go by STATES and YOUR source California ranks 35th. That is literally bottom third of states. That could move my the time you look at the data, its only 1% from 33rd and then it would be middle of the pack.

This is what I mean by applauding: You are cheerleading mediocrity to the point that you cant admit that California is in the bottom third of states (clearly stated by Golden) despite BOTH of your two sources confirming it.

Just acknowledge the data and have some intellectual honesty.

16th for distribution of what we have been given. 20th for first dose. 11th for second dose.

California is NOT middle of the pack unless you cherry pick data... and aside from cheerleading, I am not sure what the point of that is.

Golden One said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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The amount of vaccine each state receives is allocated by the Federal government. California does not have a backlog of vaccines. The percentages reflect the amount of vaccines received relative to the population, period. If that number was incredibly low under Trump then that is who you should blame.

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Golden One said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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The amount of vaccine each state receives is allocated by the Federal government. California does not have a backlog of vaccines. The percentages reflect the amount of vaccines received relative to the population, period. If that number was incredibly low under Trump then that is who you should blame.

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Uhhhh... How do I explain this:

What we are discussing is the percentage of the vaccines "Trump" sent to the state that have been distributed to humans. Not the number of doses that California has been allocated.

The Feds sent ~50 million doses to the 50 states. What we are discussing is how many of those 50m have made their way to humans. Right now, of 50 states, California is doing a poor job of distributing the vaccines. It ranks 16th, 20th or 11th based on the metric (16th as a percentage of vaccines on hand that have been given out, 20 based on percentage of population that has first dose, and 11th for population that has had second dose.

I understand the desire to drag Trump into this can be a compulsion, but Trump has nothing to do with this discussion.

A birthday present for some.

https://www.mtrushmorebill.com/

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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60 states.

But seriously, if you go by STATES and YOUR source California ranks 35th. That is literally bottom third of states. That could move my the time you look at the data, its only 1% from 33rd and then it would be middle of the pack.

This is what I mean by applauding: You are cheerleading mediocrity to the point that you cant admit that California is in the bottom third of states (clearly stated by Golden) despite BOTH of your two sources confirming it.

Just acknowledge the data and have some intellectual honesty.

16th for distribution of what we have been given. 20th for first dose. 11th for second dose.

California is NOT middle of the pack unless you cherry pick data... and aside from cheerleading, I am not sure what the point of that is.

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This is silly - the data is constantly changing. When I wrote my post, there were 23 states (yes - states) that were ranked lower than California. As of this minute, LA Times is still showing yesterday's data with 23 states trailing California. As of this minute, USA Today shows 15 but perhaps after CA provides updated daily numbers it will go back to some higher number. CA is at 7.8% and US average is 8.7% - so we are not talking about a massive shortfall that can't be eclipsed. I would like to know how big California's at risk population is. If we have a higher percentage of 65 and over people than other states, we should have a higher percentage vaccinated. I don't see any website which pulls that together.

Everything I've posted about this has been true when posted. I'm not cheerleading, I'm not applauding, I'm not misleading, I'm posting facts. Everything else is in your imagination. You and Golden One are the ones providing subjective analysis of the situation and making value judgments.

I will criticize the state if we continue to fall behind or are somehow slower to achieve herd immunity. We've had hiccups but seem to administering vaccines each day at a more or less average rate right now and doing far better than average in some big counties (OC, LA, Santa Clara, SD, SF) and doing poorly in others (Riverside, San Bernardino).

We need to keep the hammer down and bring the whole state up as quickly as possible. Tell everyone you know over 65 to go out and get vaccinated. That's how we get our numbers up - not through pointless infighting on a football message board.

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A birthday present for some.
www.mtushmore.com

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> Then through a special colorization process, each Genuine Legal Tender $2 Bill is enhanced by us right on the face, with images of President Tush and the First Lady, behind them our American flag.

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2. Defacing U.S. Currency
Under section 333 of the U.S. Criminal Code, "whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both." 18 U.S.C. 333.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LunchTime said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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60 states.

But seriously, if you go by STATES and YOUR source California ranks 35th. That is literally bottom third of states. That could move my the time you look at the data, its only 1% from 33rd and then it would be middle of the pack.

This is what I mean by applauding: You are cheerleading mediocrity to the point that you cant admit that California is in the bottom third of states (clearly stated by Golden) despite BOTH of your two sources confirming it.

Just acknowledge the data and have some intellectual honesty.

16th for distribution of what we have been given. 20th for first dose. 11th for second dose.

California is NOT middle of the pack unless you cherry pick data... and aside from cheerleading, I am not sure what the point of that is.

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This is silly - the data is constantly changing. When I wrote my post, there were 23 states (yes - states) that were ranked lower than California. As of this minute, LA Times is still showing yesterday's data with 23 states trailing California. As of this minute, USA Today shows 15 but perhaps after CA provides updated daily numbers it will go back to some higher number. CA is at 7.8% and US average is 8.7% - so we are not talking about a massive shortfall that can't be eclipsed. I would like to know how big California's at risk population is. If we have a higher percentage of 65 and over people than other states, we should have a higher percentage vaccinated. I don't see any website which pulls that together.

Everything I've posted about this has been true when posted. I'm not cheerleading, I'm not applauding, I'm not misleading, I'm posting facts. Everything else is in your imagination. You and Golden One are the ones providing subjective analysis of the situation and making value judgments.

I will criticize the state if we continue to fall behind or are somehow slower to achieve herd immunity. We've had hiccups but seem to administering vaccines each day at a more or less average rate right now and doing far better than average in some big counties (OC, LA, Santa Clara, SD, SF) and doing poorly in others (Riverside, San Bernardino).

We need to keep the hammer down and bring the whole state up as quickly as possible. Tell everyone you know over 65 to go out and get vaccinated. That's how we get our numbers up - not through pointless infighting on a football message board.

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No subjective analysis or value judgments by me, just presentation of the facts. You are the one looking at the situation with rose-colored glasses and skewing the data.

Golden One said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LunchTime said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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60 states.

But seriously, if you go by STATES and YOUR source California ranks 35th. That is literally bottom third of states. That could move my the time you look at the data, its only 1% from 33rd and then it would be middle of the pack.

This is what I mean by applauding: You are cheerleading mediocrity to the point that you cant admit that California is in the bottom third of states (clearly stated by Golden) despite BOTH of your two sources confirming it.

Just acknowledge the data and have some intellectual honesty.

16th for distribution of what we have been given. 20th for first dose. 11th for second dose.

California is NOT middle of the pack unless you cherry pick data... and aside from cheerleading, I am not sure what the point of that is.

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This is silly - the data is constantly changing. When I wrote my post, there were 23 states (yes - states) that were ranked lower than California. As of this minute, LA Times is still showing yesterday's data with 23 states trailing California. As of this minute, USA Today shows 15 but perhaps after CA provides updated daily numbers it will go back to some higher number. CA is at 7.8% and US average is 8.7% - so we are not talking about a massive shortfall that can't be eclipsed. I would like to know how big California's at risk population is. If we have a higher percentage of 65 and over people than other states, we should have a higher percentage vaccinated. I don't see any website which pulls that together.

Everything I've posted about this has been true when posted. I'm not cheerleading, I'm not applauding, I'm not misleading, I'm posting facts. Everything else is in your imagination. You and Golden One are the ones providing subjective analysis of the situation and making value judgments.

I will criticize the state if we continue to fall behind or are somehow slower to achieve herd immunity. We've had hiccups but seem to administering vaccines each day at a more or less average rate right now and doing far better than average in some big counties (OC, LA, Santa Clara, SD, SF) and doing poorly in others (Riverside, San Bernardino).

We need to keep the hammer down and bring the whole state up as quickly as possible. Tell everyone you know over 65 to go out and get vaccinated. That's how we get our numbers up - not through pointless infighting on a football message board.

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No subjective analysis or value judgments by me, just presentation of the facts. You are the one looking at the situation with rose-colored glasses and skewing the data.

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As long as we are just reporting facts, California has a lower percentage of seniors than 44 other states. If you factor in the percentage of seniors vaccinated, we would pass a number of states. For example, Florida has vaccinated 8.4% compared to our 7.8% but has almost 50% more seniors than CA. Give that only seniors and healthcare workers are currently being vaccinated, we have vaccinated a much higher portion of our senior population than Florida.

Facts presented without context can be misleading. Pretending that California is some outlier because it's a few tenths of a point (as of this writing) behind the median state in gross vaccination rate isn't a particularly meaningful contribution.

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Alkiadt said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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Two weeks ago California was ranked 49th, and then 50th....That was widely reported.
So yes, things are improving slowly for "Calizuela", the 5th (6th?) ranked economy in the world.
As for Newsom, he also would not provide data to prove outdoor dining was unsafe. Now, many high level infectious disease scientists (for example at UCSF and Stanford that I have seen news reports on) have openly questioned that policy. California lead the nation in infections during his ban. In the meantime, you can get on an airplane for 5 hours, or go into Home Depot or Lowes...no issue. He's a clown who wants to talk nonstop everyday for an hour while saying nothing.

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So, two weeks ago, during the Trump Administration, California was having trouble with vaccine distribution and now, not so much. I wonder what changed?

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Blue Shield.

Oski87 said:

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Go!Bears said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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Two weeks ago California was ranked 49th, and then 50th....That was widely reported.
So yes, things are improving slowly for "Calizuela", the 5th (6th?) ranked economy in the world.
As for Newsom, he also would not provide data to prove outdoor dining was unsafe. Now, many high level infectious disease scientists (for example at UCSF and Stanford that I have seen news reports on) have openly questioned that policy. California lead the nation in infections during his ban. In the meantime, you can get on an airplane for 5 hours, or go into Home Depot or Lowes...no issue. He's a clown who wants to talk nonstop everyday for an hour while saying nothing.

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So, two weeks ago, during the Trump Administration, California was having trouble with vaccine distribution and now, not so much. I wonder what changed?

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Blue Shield.

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Blue Shield has not started the process of improving vaccine distribution. To date, they are still focused on developing a plan. The improvements we have seen recently are the result of changes that have been made at the state level.

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calumnus said:

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Here in Guam it is now 55 and over for vaccine. I'll go tomorrow.

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congrats. trip report?

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I wasn't fast enough. They are fully booked for this round. I'll have to try again next week.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LunchTime said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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LunchTime said:

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TBH, ranking middle of the US from a state that crows about science like its a religion isnt something to be applauding.

The ramping up is great to see, though, and definitely shouldn't be discount as much as it might seem I am doing. But coming from VERY VERY far behind to middle of the pack isnt success unless you are looking for a reason to be a fan.

Its like Cal going from 1-11 to 5 wins. A lot of people are invested in being fans of the team, so find a lot of good in that because that looks pretty good if you are a Cal fan. If you arent looking for a reason to pat Cal on the back and overlook the reality, it looks like a mediocre team doing mediocre things. Cal and California should have never been single game winners, even if they werent the absolute worst at the time.

I'd like to see this move beyond middle of the road, and continue to accelerate distribution of vaccines in hand.

FWIW, I think Newsom is FAR superior to any other Governor when it comes to COVID, but hubris got him in trouble with his choice to eat dinner, and a garbage distribution plan made by a bunch of people trying to achieve the unachievable make him look worse than he is.

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To be clear, California is not "in the middle of the pack". California is in the bottom third of the pack as of today, according to the USA Today data. Only 17 of the 50 states are lower than California in vaccine administration.

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Why are you lying about this? According to your data (USA Today), there are 23 states ranked below California in percentage of population having received first doses. How is that not middle of the pack?

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60 states.

But seriously, if you go by STATES and YOUR source California ranks 35th. That is literally bottom third of states. That could move my the time you look at the data, its only 1% from 33rd and then it would be middle of the pack.

This is what I mean by applauding: You are cheerleading mediocrity to the point that you cant admit that California is in the bottom third of states (clearly stated by Golden) despite BOTH of your two sources confirming it.

Just acknowledge the data and have some intellectual honesty.

16th for distribution of what we have been given. 20th for first dose. 11th for second dose.

California is NOT middle of the pack unless you cherry pick data... and aside from cheerleading, I am not sure what the point of that is.

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This is silly - the data is constantly changing. When I wrote my post, there were 23 states (yes - states) that were ranked lower than California. As of this minute, LA Times is still showing yesterday's data with 23 states trailing California. As of this minute, USA Today shows 15 but perhaps after CA provides updated daily numbers it will go back to some higher number. CA is at 7.8% and US average is 8.7% - so we are not talking about a massive shortfall that can't be eclipsed. I would like to know how big California's at risk population is. If we have a higher percentage of 65 and over people than other states, we should have a higher percentage vaccinated. I don't see any website which pulls that together.

Everything I've posted about this has been true when posted. I'm not cheerleading, I'm not applauding, I'm not misleading, I'm posting facts. Everything else is in your imagination. You and Golden One are the ones providing subjective analysis of the situation and making value judgments.

I will criticize the state if we continue to fall behind or are somehow slower to achieve herd immunity. We've had hiccups but seem to administering vaccines each day at a more or less average rate right now and doing far better than average in some big counties (OC, LA, Santa Clara, SD, SF) and doing poorly in others (Riverside, San Bernardino).

We need to keep the hammer down and bring the whole state up as quickly as possible. Tell everyone you know over 65 to go out and get vaccinated. That's how we get our numbers up - not through pointless infighting on a football message board.

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No subjective analysis or value judgments by me, just presentation of the facts. You are the one looking at the situation with rose-colored glasses and skewing the data.

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As long as we are just reporting facts, California has a lower percentage of seniors than 44 other states. If you factor in the percentage of seniors vaccinated, we would pass a number of states. For example, Florida has vaccinated 8.4% compared to our 7.8% but has almost 50% more seniors than CA. Give that only seniors and healthcare workers are currently being vaccinated, we have vaccinated a much higher portion of our senior population than Florida.

Facts presented without context can be misleading. Pretending that California is some outlier because it's a few tenths of a point (as of this writing) behind the median state in gross vaccination rate isn't a particularly meaningful contribution.

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Sunday night update: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/01/14/covid-vaccine-distribution-by-state-how-many-covid-vaccines-have-been-given-in-us-how-many-people/6599531002/

USA Today shows California 24th with 9.2% having received at least one dose. We are continuing to move up the rankings and obviously accelerating our vaccination rollout faster than other states.

Every state needs to do better but we are seeing encouraging things here. Hopefully we will continue to ramp up and the drug companies can speed up production.

According to the USA Today, now we are up to 18th. Of the top 25 largest states by population, only Wisconsin and Virginia are ranked ahead of us and we are continuing to close the gap.

How long before we are in the top 10?

At what point will the naysayers acknowledge that the state's vaccination efforts aren't an outlier to the negative?

Cali-fornia! Clap, clap, clap-clap-clap! Cali-fornia! Clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!

Hell, why not introduce a friendly competition between the states? Some people could relate to that and maybe get into it.

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According to the USA Today, now we are up to 18th. Of the top 25 largest states by population, only Wisconsin and Virginia are ranked ahead of us and we are continuing to close the gap.

How long before we are in the top 10?

At what point will the naysayers acknowledge that the state's vaccination efforts aren't an outlier to the negative?

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Actually, the reality is not nearly that good. According to the following source, as of today (February 8), California is 41st among the 50 states in the percentage of vaccine received that has been administered to residents. Only 9 states are worst than California. California has administered only 64% of the vaccine it has received. North Dakota is in first place with 96% of its vaccine having been distributed.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html

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Unit2Sucks said:

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According to the USA Today, now we are up to 18th. Of the top 25 largest states by population, only Wisconsin and Virginia are ranked ahead of us and we are continuing to close the gap.

How long before we are in the top 10?

At what point will the naysayers acknowledge that the state's vaccination efforts aren't an outlier to the negative?

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Actually, the reality is not nearly that good. According to the following source, as of today (February 8), California is 41st among the 50 states in the percentage of vaccine received that has been administered to residents. Only 9 states are worst than California. California has administered only 64% of the vaccine it has received. North Dakota is in first place with 96% of its vaccine having been distributed.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html

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Move the goal post much? Why are you now talking about % of supply administered rather than % of population vaccinated?

California is continuing to ramp up its daily rate and needs those supplies for second doses. Due to our acceleration of administration, we are still lagging greatly on % who have received 2nd dose. The comparison to ND is specious - it's a tiny state with most of its population concentrated in a few counties and it has a higher percentage of seniors than almost every other state. ND should be applauded for its vaccination efforts (currently about 15% better than US average).

By the way, your article is showing CA in 39th place now (not 41st).

When will people learn that GoldenOnenote is not interested in facts. He's interested in spin. He wants to put California in as negative a light as possible. He hates everything to do with California, except things with a script Cal. He probably hate Cal too - he's just a hateful little snowflake.

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According to the USA Today, now we are up to 18th. Of the top 25 largest states by population, only Wisconsin and Virginia are ranked ahead of us and we are continuing to close the gap.

How long before we are in the top 10?

At what point will the naysayers acknowledge that the state's vaccination efforts aren't an outlier to the negative?

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Actually, the reality is not nearly that good. According to the following source, as of today (February 8), California is 41st among the 50 states in the percentage of vaccine received that has been administered to residents. Only 9 states are worst than California. California has administered only 64% of the vaccine it has received. North Dakota is in first place with 96% of its vaccine having been distributed.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html

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Move the goal post much? Why are you now talking about % of supply administered rather than % of population vaccinated?

California is continuing to ramp up its daily rate and needs those supplies for second doses. Due to our acceleration of administration, we are still lagging greatly on % who have received 2nd dose. The comparison to ND is specious - it's a tiny state with most of its population concentrated in a few counties and it has a higher percentage of seniors than almost every other state. ND should be applauded for its vaccination efforts (currently about 15% better than US average).

By the way, your article is showing CA in 39th place now (not 41st).

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You can't vaccinate if you don't have the vaccine. What you do with the vaccine you have is a direct reflection of your effectiveness. By that measure, California is snot doing well. Surely, you understand this very basic concept.

Surely, you aren't trying to argue that moving from 41st place to 39th place is a significant change.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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According to the USA Today, now we are up to 18th. Of the top 25 largest states by population, only Wisconsin and Virginia are ranked ahead of us and we are continuing to close the gap.

How long before we are in the top 10?

At what point will the naysayers acknowledge that the state's vaccination efforts aren't an outlier to the negative?

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Actually, the reality is not nearly that good. According to the following source, as of today (February 8), California is 41st among the 50 states in the percentage of vaccine received that has been administered to residents. Only 9 states are worst than California. California has administered only 64% of the vaccine it has received. North Dakota is in first place with 96% of its vaccine having been distributed.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html

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Move the goal post much? Why are you now talking about % of supply administered rather than % of population vaccinated?

California is continuing to ramp up its daily rate and needs those supplies for second doses. Due to our acceleration of administration, we are still lagging greatly on % who have received 2nd dose. The comparison to ND is specious - it's a tiny state with most of its population concentrated in a few counties and it has a higher percentage of seniors than almost every other state. ND should be applauded for its vaccination efforts (currently about 15% better than US average).

By the way, your article is showing CA in 39th place now (not 41st).

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You can't vaccinate if you don't have the vaccine. What you do with the vaccine you have is a direct reflection of your effectiveness. By that measure, California is snot doing well. Surely, you understand this very basic concept.

Surely, you aren't trying to argue that moving from 41st place to 39th place is a significant change.

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I'm not arguing that 41st to 39th is a significant change or that the % of doses is a meaningful metric. I do think it's worth providing an update, as you have done so in the past. But that's a minor point. The only reason you chose that random link is to make CA look bad because you have an agenda. It's easy to play this game and to present "facts" without context to make an argument while pretending to be objective.

Here are some facts: California is no. 1 in vaccinations, having vaccinated more people than any other state. In fact, we have vaccinated as many people as the smallest 21 states combined! If you look at our daily vaccination rate (which is accelerating), we are doing better per day than the smallest 22 states combined. We have vaccinated more people than Israel, which by all accounts is the world leader in vaccinations (California excepted of course). See how easy it is?

The reality, of course, is that California to date has been middle of the pack in the US in vaccine administration. It has some big advantages in terms of resources but it also has some challenges that are making it difficult to get vaccines in arms. If you look at the latest data you will see that only a handful of tiny states have actually vaccinated a significantly higher percentage of their population than California. In fact, 34 states have administered first doses to between 9 and 11% of their population, and California is in the middle of that group. Hopefully we will continue to improve, as will every other state.

Your position, along with others who still claim we are somehow a negative outlier, is obviously borne of bias. I had begun posting in this thread to correct what I had hoped was an unfortunate misconception but it's quite obvious that this is a misinformation campaign. Only you and the others like you can know to what end you are choosing to twist things to make it appear California is doing worse. I'm going to keep exposing reality in the hopes that no one will inadvertently spread the sorts of corrosive misinformation that you seem hell bent on presenting.

It's very simple, really. In GoldenOnenote's world, everything in California sucks.

covid will probably be around forever...Therefore, look for a covid vaccine every fall just like the flu vaccine. Snd, just like thge flu vaccine, researchers will have to guess which covid variant will be operative in which region.....this is why the flu vaccine is only 33% effective.....sometimes the researchers guess right...sometimes they guess wrong..

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covid will probably be around forever...Therefore, look for a covid vaccine every fall just like the flu vaccine. Snd, just like thge flu vaccine, researchers will have to guess which covid variant will be operative in which region.....this is why the flu vaccine is only 33% effective.....sometimes the researchers guess right...sometimes they guess wrong..

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COVID has been around since the dawn of time and will continue to be around until the end of time. Last year was the first time in modern history that a pandemic occurred only because the Chinese were careless with their oversight of outdoor markets. Now that humankind has experienced transmission from animal to human, I would imagine that we will need to be inoculated every year.

Dear 71: The virus did not originate in bats. The virus accidentally escaped from one of the two biological labs in Wuhan. The nearest "bats" are almost 1,000. miles away and they do not migrate. The Chinesehave been working on bat viruses in both of these labs for several decAdes. our scientists have been warning about the lax conditions in these labs for decades. Also, to date
1) The Chinese refuse to admit anyone into Wuhan to discover the 'origin"
2) No one has produced any evidence that "bats" were on sale in the "wet markets."

This virus was man-made in both of the Wuhan Labs. A virus accidentally escaped from the lab.
Then, to compound this tragedy, the Chinese authorities kept this secret for 5-6 weeks. by that time, the virus was spreading around the world...

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Dear 71: The virus did not originate in bats. The virus accidentally escaped from one of the two biological labs in Wuhan. The nearest "bats" are almost 1,000. miles away and they do not migrate. The Chinesehave been working on bat viruses in both of these labs for several decAdes. our scientists have been warning about the lax conditions in these labs for decades. Also, to date
1) The Chinese refuse to admit anyone into Wuhan to discover the 'origin"
2) No one has produced any evidence that "bats" were on sale in the "wet markets."

This virus was man-made in both of the Wuhan Labs. A virus accidentally escaped from the lab.
Then, to compound this tragedy, the Chinese authorities kept this secret for 5-6 weeks. by that time, the virus was spreading around the world...

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You really believe that don't you...

Wow. Just, Wow...

as an aside, why don't y'all go to original sources, i.e., CDC, which is getting real time data.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations


fwiw: and, yes, CA has gone from bottom decile early on to middle-of-the-pack.

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It has some big advantages in terms of resources....

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Absolutely.

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...but it also has some challenges that are making it difficult to get vaccines in arms.

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And many/most of those challenges are self-inflicted. (jabbing arms is just not that difficult; it ain't rocket science)

John Wooden: Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.

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helltopay1 said:

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Dear 71: The virus did not originate in bats. The virus accidentally escaped from one of the two biological labs in Wuhan. The nearest "bats" are almost 1,000. miles away and they do not migrate. The Chinesehave been working on bat viruses in both of these labs for several decAdes. our scientists have been warning about the lax conditions in these labs for decades. Also, to date
1) The Chinese refuse to admit anyone into Wuhan to discover the 'origin"
2) No one has produced any evidence that "bats" were on sale in the "wet markets."

This virus was man-made in both of the Wuhan Labs. A virus accidentally escaped from the lab.
Then, to compound this tragedy, the Chinese authorities kept this secret for 5-6 weeks. by that time, the virus was spreading around the world...

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You really believe that don't you...

Wow. Just, Wow...

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Yeah, Wow. The ignorant stay ignorant. And I'm pointing my finger at you.

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as an aside, why don't y'all go to original sources, i.e., CDC, which is getting real time data.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations


fwiw: and, yes, CA has gone from bottom decile early on to middle-of-the-pack.

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It has some big advantages in terms of resources....

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Absolutely.

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...but it also has some challenges that are making it difficult to get vaccines in arms.

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And many/most of those challenges are self-inflicted. (jabbing arms is just not that difficult; it ain't rocket science)

John Wooden: Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.

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Couldn't agree more that there are self-inflicted challenges but it's impossible to say without more information whether they were self-inflicted or not. It's still extremely early days in the vaccination process - just 3% of the country has received both doses. California is now ranked 17th according to your CDC link.

I've done some supply chain work and dealt with customer service blowback from failures and know that from the outside it can often look a lot easier than it really is.

My understanding is that the federal government allocates vaccines to the states and gives them information one week at a time which obviously makes it difficult to plan around. Almost everything is happening on a just in time basis. This appears to be a problem that is more difficult for all larger states, not just California. Virginia is the largest state ahead of California in vaccine administration and it's only 1/5th as large. As I've mentioned previously, California has one of the youngest populations, so there are proportionally fewer people in the 65 and over camp currently eligible to receive the vaccine. I don't know that I would consider any of these issues self-inflicted. As I mentioned, it's still early days. If in a few months we are failing to keep up, I will roundly criticize everyone responsible, but it's pretty clearly premature to do so right now.

yes, this is the second time that you mentioned the 65+ group. But if you know that demographic, I politicos in Sacto have to know it as well. And they should have planned for the difference. If they did account for a lower 65+ group, then the State HD already addressed your point; if they did not, that's on them, i.e., self-inflicted.

Yes, it is like JIT logistics, but how come other states were able to get up and running much faster? All states received a prorata share of the juice at the same time. Why was one of the richest states in teh world lagging?

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yes, this is the second time that you mentioned the 65+ group. But if you know that demographic, I politicos in Sacto have to know it as well. And they should have planned for the difference. If they did account for a lower 65+ group, then the State HD already addressed your point; if they did not, that's on them, i.e., self-inflicted.

Yes, it is like JIT logistics, but how come other states were able to get up and running much faster? All states received a prorata share of the juice at the same time. Why was one of the richest states in teh world lagging?

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Of the 25 largest states, only 2 have administered vaccines to a higher percentage of their population. Why is that? Why is every other big state falling behind? Why are we catching up and passing states so quickly given how far back we started?

Why haven't these other states planned as you've noted? The questions are easy to ask, but the answers may not be so simple.

We are still at the very inception. When the story of our vaccination response is written, do you think people will focus on the 2 week period where California fell behind other states or what happened afterward?

It's not like we are talking about preventing the pandemic from happening - we left the barn door open a long time ago. So forgive me for being a bit skeptical of the complaining about the very preliminary portion of our vaccine program, when we've already begun to outpace most of the country and almost every other large state.

As I've stated again and again, everyone needs to do better. Israel got off to a great start vaccinating their population but they've seen demand drop off. The real trick isn't how quickly you get to 10% of your population vaccinated but how long will it take to get to the level of herd immunity needed to actually suppress this pandemic and return to normalcy. That's what I care about and where I hope we as a country spare no expense in attaining. If we have to pay people to get vaccinated (whether through tax credits or otherwise) that's money better spent than continuing to give handouts while we allow the economy to falter because we fail to get the pandemic under control.

He does, you should see the OT board. He's a Parler, boogaloo guy