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Early Look at Basketball as Bears Start Practice

October 4, 2021
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The Cal men’s basketball team started its preseason practice this week, and coach Mark Fox is getting his first hands-on look at his four newcomers who will be counted on to help the Bears improve on last year’s 9-20 record and fill a gaping hole left by a departure.

The Bears have four roster additions in 2021transfer Jordan Shepherd from Charlotte and three freshmen, Sam Alajiki from Ireland, Obinna Anyanwu from San Diego, and Marsalis Robinson from down the road in Oakland.

Of course, there is one significant loss. Guard Matt Bradley who led the Bears in scoring at 18.5 points per game last season has transferred to San Diego State.   Fox believes the Bears can make up for Bradley’s points by spreading the offense through the roster.

“I think that for us we want to be a balanced offensive team and we have a group that is excited about playing together,” Fox said. “We need to have scoring balance. And we also need to play well at the other end.. We need to have our returning guys like Grant (Anticevich) and Andre (Kelly) be productive.

“Makale (Foreman) shot the ball well last year. We need to be an offensive team that helps each other, that works together on that end of the floor. And if we can do that, I think we will have scoring from a variety of places.”

Shepherd, who also was on a call with the media, started his career at Oklahoma before moving to Charlotte, averaged 13.0 points per game the last two seasons.

“My role is just to come here and put the ball in the basket, any way I can,” Shepherd said. “And make plays for others.”

Fox appreciates his talents. “He is a good scorer from the wing. He’s a good athlete,” Fox said of Shepherd. “I think his experience has really been welcome, too. He’s an older, wiser guy who understands what it takes. He has been very well-coached at his previous stops. He is positioning himself to make an immediate impact. 

“What’s really valuable is his ability to score, but he can also pass. Some guys pass as a last resort, other guys pass and make people better. He’s one of those guys that has the ability to score but also has the ability as a passer to make people better. He’s really off to a great start.”

Fox said there is a chance that all three freshmen could contribute this year, or that one or more of them could redshirt. That will sort itself out over the next few weeks of practice.

“They are three very talented young guys. They all have a level of athleticism that fits into this league,” he said. “I think for their position they all three will be guys who athletically check the box. They are all very different in the skill sets they bring. We are are excited about this year’s freshman class. The fact they were allowed to have an offseason unlike last year’s freshmen has been great to see.

“With any freshman the transition is hard, the game is faster, it’s more complex at this level. There is no fear in their eyes. They have the basic athletic talent to become really good players.

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Makale Foreman (10)

Foreman, who shot 33.2 percent from the floor last year, tailed off a bit in the latter part of the season. Both player and coach offered some reasons.

As the season went on word got out that this guy can shoot. Teams began paying closer attention to him. “I think any player, once you make a few shots you get guarded closer,” Fox said. 

Foreman noticed. “There were a lot more closeouts and they were more attached to me,” he said. “I had to deal with different defenses.”

And Fox feels the abbreviated offseason conditioning took its toll. “With all these guys there was the durability factor,” Fox said. “When you take away an offseason of conditioning, guys can wear down. I think that happened to Makale a little bit last season.”

And Foreman disclosed that he was dealing with a back injury late in the season.

The Bears are coming off a full offseason of workouts and conditioning, something prevented last year by COVID restrictions, and are able to actually practice in the gym. All those things fall into the category of “You don’t know what you’re missing until you’re missing it.”

“This year is far closer to normal than what we’ve experienced. We;ve had a relatively normal offseason, which is the first time since I got to Cal,” Fox said.  “That was welcome. We started practice a little later than most of the country because we had a couple of guys that needed to clear COVID situation. We had our first practice yesterday. We had a really good fall. I think our players and our coaches are really excited about having the opportunity to be together again. And with the team we have I think they’re excited with the opportunity.”

And of course it is a marked contrast to where things stood in October, 2020. “We didn’t have a spring of weight training or skill development, we did not have a summer of weight lifting or development. We did not have a fall. So we missed an entire offseason last year and, if you’ll recall, after 13 practrices last year we had to shut down. That might have been the most costly of all. We just started playing games after basically no offseason and 13 practices and there you go.”

For improvement, this team certainly passes the eye test. “What's most evident about  this group is that physically we look entirely different. Our conditioning level, our functional ability to practice is much greater than it was a year ago because we have been able to have a true offseason. Physically the first thing that jumps out is that we are in much better condition than we were.”

According to Fox, one player who really benefited from the full offseason was forward Kuany Kuany. 

“Kuany probably had the best offseason of anyone on our team,” Fox said. “We are really excited about the work he put in.”
 

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Early Look at Basketball as Bears Start Practice

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parentswerebears
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That is the key to all of this. The one narrative that keeps coming up all of these years is that the University just doesn't care about football and basketball. Until the institutional support is there, the teams are probably going to be BDWs with momentary bright spots.
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RedlessWardrobe said:

I agree with your stance but OTOH is it really feasible to do this in this day of age and still produce at the minimum a team reaching, lets say the sweet 16?
IMHO regular Sweet Sixteen appearances is a lot to ask for. That's elite. I'd be happy finishing in the top half of the conference most seasons with occasional NCAA Tournament invitations. IF that could be done with integrity and most players stay and graduate. I think that will be hard to enough to achieve without massive infusions of cash.
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BeachedBear said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

Wow, I've been away. Its the good old Bear Insider basketball forum.

I think that we currently see just a wide variety of opinions because honestly, NCAA college basketball has changed so much in recent years. The biggest difference is that college basketball has become so much more of a minor league to the pros. In the old days, players recruited stayed for a minimum of 3 years. Now, anything goes. A guy might be one and done. Is it worth the recruit? Now, guys can transfer and in many cases play the following year with a different school. More chaotic. Now players can be paid for their product. Now I see where admission standards are going to be lower. Almost every college basketball game is televised somewhere, ESPN runs the show. To sum it up, this isn't your grandfather's college basketball, and as a guy in his 60's sometimes it just confuses the s out of me.
For those of you who have taken the time to read my rambling, thank you very much. And 3 questions I have for anybody with an answer.
1) Is the fact that our team has been bad which leads to us having more experience this season going to make a difference and make us better?
2) As a fan of 55 years, I confess. I don't really understand the practice facility issue. I would guess Haas is not available to the men's team as much as desired. The school can't build an additional basketball facility? I would love for someone to explain the issue in a little more depth.
3) Will the lowering of admission standards help or hurt Cal? I'm trying to figure that one out. Please help.

Looking forward to what at least is an interesting season (I guess successful would be a reach)

Go Bears! All answers to ANY of the above would be greatly appreciated.
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My opinions to your Q's:

1) Most experience from a winning team is great. A losing team needs upgrades, and that usually doesn't come with experience.

2) I feel the practice facility is overblown by everyone - but particularly recruits. However, if it is a key factor to them, then it is key. I just went to the football game at Eugene last weekend (first visit). The facilities there simply blow a recruits mind. Not sure we can compete with uncle Phil, but it is worse than night and day. it clearly IS NOT important to the administration and that says something to recruits about our program.

3) At this stage, I think Cal needs to focus on its differentiators - which includes academics at the top of that list. So lowering admission standards won't help our basketball problems.
I could not disagree with you more on points 2/3. A practice facility is desperately needed to compete for the vast majority of top level recruits. I hear this from the players/coaches ongoing, as well as families whose son chose elsewhere. Yes to your 2nd point of point 2 as it sends the message that basketball is not a priority to the school, since 98% of D1 schools have it. Reasonable lowering of admission standards would definitely help with attracting/admitting many outstanding prospects that we currently do not have any chance of getting in. By that I mean for Cal to consider a 2.7/2.8/2.9 gpa range and take into account that student athletes particular background and obstacles,.Yes likely would need to offer a full time tutor as need be. Focusing on our academics is futile to the vast majority of top level basketball prospects - sad but fact. Little known but a key reason Duke has competed so well over the years under coach K, was his deal with the Chancellor. His deal allowed him to admit one scholarship player per recruiting class, that did not meet the base line admissions policy of the University. Impact was that his roster typically had 2-3 players who were "special admits".
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Most of us have seen the plans for a practice facility. At one point, we even heard that the beach VB and softball facility upgrades had to be completed first. Do you know if that's still the case or what the status is of these upgrades? Is there any progress in finding a lead donor for the practice facility? If not, What is Knowlton doing to address that?

We are all fans here, but many of us are tired of losing and unhappy with the last two coaching hires. No one is going to criticize the players. Who does that leave? The coach.
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A Kentucky freshman point guard has just signed an endorsement deal with a local Porsche dealer and is now driving an $80,000 Porsche. I just don't see how we stay in the game on this one.
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annarborbear said:

A Kentucky freshman point guard has just signed an endorsement deal with a local Porsche dealer and is now driving an $80,000 Porsche. I just don't see how we stay in the game on this one.

Tesla?
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So I' assume he can drive it, but it's not his so the NIL money is legit at "market value"

Let's see what other creative arrangements can be made under NIL

annarborbear said:

A Kentucky freshman point guard has just signed an endorsement deal with a local Porsche dealer and is now driving an $80,000 Porsche. I just don't see how we stay in the game on this one.
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4thGenCal said:

BeachedBear said:

RedlessWardrobe said:

Wow, I've been away. Its the good old Bear Insider basketball forum.

I think that we currently see just a wide variety of opinions because honestly, NCAA college basketball has changed so much in recent years. The biggest difference is that college basketball has become so much more of a minor league to the pros. In the old days, players recruited stayed for a minimum of 3 years. Now, anything goes. A guy might be one and done. Is it worth the recruit? Now, guys can transfer and in many cases play the following year with a different school. More chaotic. Now players can be paid for their product. Now I see where admission standards are going to be lower. Almost every college basketball game is televised somewhere, ESPN runs the show. To sum it up, this isn't your grandfather's college basketball, and as a guy in his 60's sometimes it just confuses the s out of me.
For those of you who have taken the time to read my rambling, thank you very much. And 3 questions I have for anybody with an answer.
1) Is the fact that our team has been bad which leads to us having more experience this season going to make a difference and make us better?
2) As a fan of 55 years, I confess. I don't really understand the practice facility issue. I would guess Haas is not available to the men's team as much as desired. The school can't build an additional basketball facility? I would love for someone to explain the issue in a little more depth.
3) Will the lowering of admission standards help or hurt Cal? I'm trying to figure that one out. Please help.

Looking forward to what at least is an interesting season (I guess successful would be a reach)

Go Bears! All answers to ANY of the above would be greatly appreciated.
RW
My opinions to your Q's:

1) Most experience from a winning team is great. A losing team needs upgrades, and that usually doesn't come with experience.

2) I feel the practice facility is overblown by everyone - but particularly recruits. However, if it is a key factor to them, then it is key. I just went to the football game at Eugene last weekend (first visit). The facilities there simply blow a recruits mind. Not sure we can compete with uncle Phil, but it is worse than night and day. it clearly IS NOT important to the administration and that says something to recruits about our program.

3) At this stage, I think Cal needs to focus on its differentiators - which includes academics at the top of that list. So lowering admission standards won't help our basketball problems.
I could not disagree with you more on points 2/3. A practice facility is desperately needed to compete for the vast majority of top level recruits. I hear this from the players/coaches ongoing, as well as families whose son chose elsewhere. Yes to your 2nd point of point 2 as it sends the message that basketball is not a priority to the school, since 98% of D1 schools have it. Reasonable lowering of admission standards would definitely help with attracting/admitting many outstanding prospects that we currently do not have any chance of getting in. By that I mean for Cal to consider a 2.7/2.8/2.9 gpa range and take into account that student athletes particular background and obstacles,.Yes likely would need to offer a full time tutor as need be. Focusing on our academics is futile to the vast majority of top level basketball prospects - sad but fact. Little known but a key reason Duke has competed so well over the years under coach K, was his deal with the Chancellor. His deal allowed him to admit one scholarship player per recruiting class, that did not meet the base line admissions policy of the University. Impact was that his roster typically had 2-3 players who were "special admits".
I think you are actually agreeing with my second point. To clarify - it doesn't matter what you or I think about a practice facility if the recruits and their families don't agree. We don't get to decide - they do. It is simply the cost of competing.

As for academics - I admit I am unfamiliar with proposed rule changes - please elaborate. But compromising academics have gotten Cal in hot water in the past - we don't seem capable of managing it as well as Coach K does.

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I want the Cal coach to have 1 or 2 exemptions, so the next Jason Kidd or Leon Powe can be Cal Bears

We still market our strengths: 1) Academics, 2) Vibrant urban setting, 3) Local California talent pool and yes, 4) legal weed (who wants to risk arrest in college?) , and yes, 5) Reputation for progressive politics.

This last factor is one that many older, more conservative alums might argue against, but it is our brand and it is actually a good one in this case. It is stupid to go against it.

Most young people, including young athletes, are far more progressive than the rest of the population.

The authoritarian coaching styles of yesteryear are largely gone at the youth level. Young players generally won't accept it. They want a teacher and mentor. That is especially true of the kids that are going to be attracted to Cal in the first place. Cal is the opposite of a military academy in that regard.

80% of NBA players are African American. Elite basketball talent with a shot at the NBA is needed to have a shot at being elite in college basketball.

What percentage of young African Americans support Black Lives Matter? What percentage support voting rights? An elite basketball talent, Jaylen Brown, came to Cal from Georgia exactly for our reputation for social activism. Previously another elite basketball talent, Shareef Abdur Rahim, also came to Cal from Georgia for our world renowned Islamic Studies. (Hakeem Olajuwon said he would have too if he had known about it). Not coincidentally we had charismatic African American coaches at the time. However, young people of all ethnicities are looking to make a difference in this world.

The same argument for having a dedicated practice facility applies. What are top recruits looking for?

Rather than hire ADs from the military and coaches with a hard ass disciplinarian reputation, who kick players off the team for being caught smoking legal marijuana ("breaking team rules"), who throw players under the bus in press conferences, we need an AD and coaches that can sell Cal, who are on the same intellectual level as the players we are trying to bring in. Coaches that players will see as teachers and mentors. Motivators. Coaches who can embrace Cal and Berkeley and enthusiastically sell the place to recruits.



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Elite athletes believe their career will be professional sports -- whether that belief is justified is irrelevant -- and so academic excellence is not that important to them. Their career, they believe, will be in a field in which a San Jose State degree and Cal degree are of equal value, though the quality of the team they played for can be a highlight in their resume.

As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
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ClayK said:

... As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
The same could be said about some 80-year-old alums.
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ClayK said:

Elite athletes believe their career will be professional sports -- whether that belief is justified is irrelevant -- and so academic excellence is not that important to them. Their career, they believe, will be in a field in which a San Jose State degree and Cal degree are of equal value, though the quality of the team they played for can be a highlight in their resume.

As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
I hate to break the news to people on this forum but in most fields, aside from possibly that first entry-level job, a San Jose State degree and a Cal degree are of equal value. After that, it's all about performance on the job and that's the way it should be,.
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ClayK said:

Elite athletes believe their career will be professional sports -- whether that belief is justified is irrelevant -- and so academic excellence is not that important to them. Their career, they believe, will be in a field in which a San Jose State degree and Cal degree are of equal value, though the quality of the team they played for can be a highlight in their resume.

As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
Spot on and the recruits value support toward's the basketball program and specifically ability to use a dedicated practice facility at their choosing of day or night. Without the facility that all top flight programs have, Cal recruitment is much more difficult. Fortunately Cal has a very good housing situation for the program, but that is one of the few positives that recruits see.
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4thGenCal said:

ClayK said:

Elite athletes believe their career will be professional sports -- whether that belief is justified is irrelevant -- and so academic excellence is not that important to them. Their career, they believe, will be in a field in which a San Jose State degree and Cal degree are of equal value, though the quality of the team they played for can be a highlight in their resume.

As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
Spot on and the recruits value support toward's the basketball program and specifically ability to use a dedicated practice facility at their choosing of day or night. Without the facility that all top flight programs have, Cal recruitment is much more difficult. Fortunately Cal has a very good housing situation for the program, but that is one of the few positives that recruits see.

It's not just a dedicated practice facility, although that by itself is important. It's the whole elite facilities wow factor for recruits and players. A basketball gym doesn't cost a lot to build if you've got the land to build it on (see most high schools for examples)

But using 4thGen's point about housing, I'd like to see other positives that don't cost $50M.
How about a nice player lounge in Haas somewhere. There has to be a place where that could be built for dollars we might be able to find
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HoopDreams said:

4thGenCal said:

ClayK said:

Elite athletes believe their career will be professional sports -- whether that belief is justified is irrelevant -- and so academic excellence is not that important to them. Their career, they believe, will be in a field in which a San Jose State degree and Cal degree are of equal value, though the quality of the team they played for can be a highlight in their resume.

As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
Spot on and the recruits value support toward's the basketball program and specifically ability to use a dedicated practice facility at their choosing of day or night. Without the facility that all top flight programs have, Cal recruitment is much more difficult. Fortunately Cal has a very good housing situation for the program, but that is one of the few positives that recruits see.

It's not just a dedicated practice facility, although that by itself is important. It's the whole elite facilities wow factor for recruits and players. A basketball gym doesn't cost a lot to build if you've got the land to build it on (see most high schools for examples)

But using 4thGen's point about housing, I'd like to see other positives that don't cost $50M.
How about a nice player lounge in Haas somewhere. There has to be a place where that could be built for dollars we might be able to find
Agreed, but far and away, having a dedicated practice facility is the single most impactful factor to improve recruiting/perception/selling tool the program could have. We have an excellent housing situation for the team, (the staff has said "housing situation has been a life saver" particularly when there had been a internal movement to redevelopment the site, until a few passionate donors stepped in to preserve the mission for the players).
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4thGenCal said:

HoopDreams said:

4thGenCal said:

ClayK said:

Elite athletes believe their career will be professional sports -- whether that belief is justified is irrelevant -- and so academic excellence is not that important to them. Their career, they believe, will be in a field in which a San Jose State degree and Cal degree are of equal value, though the quality of the team they played for can be a highlight in their resume.

As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
Spot on and the recruits value support toward's the basketball program and specifically ability to use a dedicated practice facility at their choosing of day or night. Without the facility that all top flight programs have, Cal recruitment is much more difficult. Fortunately Cal has a very good housing situation for the program, but that is one of the few positives that recruits see.

It's not just a dedicated practice facility, although that by itself is important. It's the whole elite facilities wow factor for recruits and players. A basketball gym doesn't cost a lot to build if you've got the land to build it on (see most high schools for examples)

But using 4thGen's point about housing, I'd like to see other positives that don't cost $50M.
How about a nice player lounge in Haas somewhere. There has to be a place where that could be built for dollars we might be able to find
Agreed, but far and away, having a dedicated practice facility is the single most impactful factor to improve recruiting/perception/selling tool the program could have. We have an excellent housing situation for the team, (the staff has said "housing situation has been a life saver" particularly when there had been a internal movement to redevelopment the site, until a few passionate donors stepped in to preserve the mission for the players).
agree that the practice facility is the big key. But it sounds like it's years away, so I'm looking for other more affordable improvements that the recruits and players would still think is a nice benefit. It could also be better food... a super-charged NIL assistance program, Upgraded locker rooms like the one's Rodgers donated to FB, even a nicer study/tudor facility ... just something that we can do now for a much cheaper price until we get the new practice facility

internal movement to redevelop what site?

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HoopDreams said:

4thGenCal said:

HoopDreams said:

4thGenCal said:

ClayK said:

Elite athletes believe their career will be professional sports -- whether that belief is justified is irrelevant -- and so academic excellence is not that important to them. Their career, they believe, will be in a field in which a San Jose State degree and Cal degree are of equal value, though the quality of the team they played for can be a highlight in their resume.

As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
Spot on and the recruits value support toward's the basketball program and specifically ability to use a dedicated practice facility at their choosing of day or night. Without the facility that all top flight programs have, Cal recruitment is much more difficult. Fortunately Cal has a very good housing situation for the program, but that is one of the few positives that recruits see.

It's not just a dedicated practice facility, although that by itself is important. It's the whole elite facilities wow factor for recruits and players. A basketball gym doesn't cost a lot to build if you've got the land to build it on (see most high schools for examples)

But using 4thGen's point about housing, I'd like to see other positives that don't cost $50M.
How about a nice player lounge in Haas somewhere. There has to be a place where that could be built for dollars we might be able to find
Agreed, but far and away, having a dedicated practice facility is the single most impactful factor to improve recruiting/perception/selling tool the program could have. We have an excellent housing situation for the team, (the staff has said "housing situation has been a life saver" particularly when there had been a internal movement to redevelopment the site, until a few passionate donors stepped in to preserve the mission for the players).
agree that the practice facility is the big key. But it sounds like it's years away, so I'm looking for other more affordable improvements that the recruits and players would still think is a nice benefit. It could also be better food... a super-charged NIL assistance program, Upgraded locker rooms like the one's Rodgers donated to FB, even a nicer study/tudor facility ... just something that we can do now for a much cheaper price until we get the new practice facility

internal movement to redevelop what site?


The internal movement by a few former property partners was squashed and the original housing mission has been retained/improved - that is provide safe, quality, and responsive ownership to maintain the site. Several of your thoughts have/are being addressed (better food/increased stipend/upgraded locker room) NIL in early stages. The program needs more generous donor's those willing to give on a consistent yearly basis. Cal is also behind the majority of the conference in yearly basketball donations. The excellence club does a nice job, but has less than 20 consistent donor's.
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4thGenCal said:

HoopDreams said:

4thGenCal said:

HoopDreams said:

4thGenCal said:

ClayK said:

Elite athletes believe their career will be professional sports -- whether that belief is justified is irrelevant -- and so academic excellence is not that important to them. Their career, they believe, will be in a field in which a San Jose State degree and Cal degree are of equal value, though the quality of the team they played for can be a highlight in their resume.

As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
Spot on and the recruits value support toward's the basketball program and specifically ability to use a dedicated practice facility at their choosing of day or night. Without the facility that all top flight programs have, Cal recruitment is much more difficult. Fortunately Cal has a very good housing situation for the program, but that is one of the few positives that recruits see.

It's not just a dedicated practice facility, although that by itself is important. It's the whole elite facilities wow factor for recruits and players. A basketball gym doesn't cost a lot to build if you've got the land to build it on (see most high schools for examples)

But using 4thGen's point about housing, I'd like to see other positives that don't cost $50M.
How about a nice player lounge in Haas somewhere. There has to be a place where that could be built for dollars we might be able to find
Agreed, but far and away, having a dedicated practice facility is the single most impactful factor to improve recruiting/perception/selling tool the program could have. We have an excellent housing situation for the team, (the staff has said "housing situation has been a life saver" particularly when there had been a internal movement to redevelopment the site, until a few passionate donors stepped in to preserve the mission for the players).
agree that the practice facility is the big key. But it sounds like it's years away, so I'm looking for other more affordable improvements that the recruits and players would still think is a nice benefit. It could also be better food... a super-charged NIL assistance program, Upgraded locker rooms like the one's Rodgers donated to FB, even a nicer study/tudor facility ... just something that we can do now for a much cheaper price until we get the new practice facility

internal movement to redevelop what site?


The internal movement by a few former property partners was squashed and the original housing mission has been retained/improved - that is provide safe, quality, and responsive ownership to maintain the site. Several of your thoughts have/are being addressed (better food/increased stipend/upgraded locker room) NIL in early stages. The program needs more generous donor's those willing to give on a consistent yearly basis. Cal is also behind the majority of the conference in yearly basketball donations. The excellence club does a nice job, but has less than 20 consistent donor's.

thanks for explaining the situation with the housing

also thanks for letting us know about some of the improved benefits in the works. that's good news.

also thanks to the excellence club

shows that there is work behind the scenes, and that the donors are making a positive impact also behind the scenes. I remember that group funded the Cal branding in the RSF Gold gym

not sure how we can expand the base of donors (at least the ones who can make impactful donations)
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stu said:

ClayK said:

... As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
The same could be said about some 80-year-old alums.
Why limit it? That could be applied to anyone, no matter the age, or whether they have attended Cal or not.
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SFCityBear said:

stu said:

ClayK said:

... As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
The same could be said about some 80-year-old alums.
Why limit it? That could be applied to anyone, no matter the age, or whether they have attended Cal or not.
I agree. Everyone's reality is limited by what their senses bring in and by how their brains process that information. That said, I think some people are more observant than others and some people filter their observations more realistically than others.

My earlier comment was a snarky reference to some posts I've read on this forum. I was not referring to you or to anything you posted.
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Nice day in the
Stadium.
Bring back It’s It’s to Haas Pavillion!
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stu said:

SFCityBear said:

stu said:

ClayK said:

... As pointed out upthread, the issue isn't what is real, but what is perceived, and 17-year-olds have many perceptions that are unaligned with reality.
The same could be said about some 80-year-old alums.
Why limit it? That could be applied to anyone, no matter the age, or whether they have attended Cal or not.
I agree. Everyone's reality is limited by what their senses bring in and by how their brains process that information. That said, I think some people are more observant than others and some people filter their observations more realistically than others.

My earlier comment was a snarky reference to some posts I've read on this forum. I was not referring to you or to anything you posted.
Thanks Stu. I understood what you wrote, but couldn't resist a reply.

PS: Not quite 80 yet, but I am working on it.
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