Yes I was against his hiring, but I did not ever say that "I am now for his retention". Where did I ever say that? As for Nevada, the fans of Nevada and the selection committee who put him and several of his players in the Wolfpack Hall of Fame think he is a great coach and probably like him as a recruiter as well. Georgia is another matter. Where did I ever say Fox was "a great recruiter and coach at Georgia"? I never, ever said such a thing. If I said that why would I have been against his hiring? I did say way back that I would like him to have a 3rd year and all of his players get an extra year as well, all due to the Covid, which the NCAA has now done. But never did I say he should be retained for a 4th year.calumnus said:
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So you were against Fox's hiring but are now for his retention? How does that even make sense with what you posted above? You thought he was a great recruiter and coach at Nevada and Georgia, but despite your great opinion of him DIDN'T want him as Cal's coach, but now after three horrible years at Cal you want him retained and defend him to the hilt?
As for defending him to the hilt, I will defend any Cal coach against scurrilous personal attacks against his reputation or character, if I feel that is warranted. This thread started as a simple question about Mark Fox's record at Reno, and you very soon turned it into a thread about Mark Fox the man and the coach, and your personal agenda of getting him fired from Cal. There is nothing wrong with that. You are very persuasive. But to use me as a foil, a punching bag, to serve your agenda, by making up stories about what you think I said or think should be beneath you, shouldn't it?
Let me be perfectly clear. I think any attack on Mark Fox's record at Cal is fair game, and I would probably be in agreement with your conclusions, if you did that. But you chose in this thread to cheapen or discredit the man's prior reputation at Nevada, perhaps to make him look worse than he is. Not only that but you attack his person, his character, by saying such things as he is not likeable. He is likeable to the players, which is most important, and maybe to those who hired him, but not so much to the fans and the media. His past record, good or bad, is not germane to whether he is to be fired or not. That i something you evaluate when hiring a coach, not when you are deciding if he should keep his job or not. Cal has fired a few coaches, but we have never ever fired a coach because of what he did 5, 10, or 15 years before he ever arrived at Cal. That is purely a personal attack on a man's reputation.
Please stick to the last 3 seasons when you evaluate or criticize this coach. That would make for effective argument. So far all you've said here is that they were "three horrible years" Why not expand on that, which nearly all of us could agree on, instead of attacking his reputation on previous jobs. I am a little conflicted on his firing, but only because the players seem happy with him, and most of them are making improvement, individually. Not many coaches can do that. That is important, but not good enough to retain him. The team needs success. If Cal can not afford the buyout, that might be a factor. But I can't see any other reasons to keep him. His record at Cal is among the worst. Does that sound like "I want him retained and defend him to the hilt"?
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