socaltownie said:

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BearSD said:

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Can we at least have a hint about the identity of this future head coach identified by multiple large donors?

Is it someone who has previously kicked a Cal basketball player?

;-)

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Yup

For those that need a history lesson there was strong rumors that the Kicker was strongly backed by several large donors. He is known with his connection to the Braun family (and of course his stint as an assistant).

For those counting at home his Gaucho's are 2-0.

Honestly he checks ALL the boxes. He has shown at UCSB the ability to win. He has a prior Cal Connection. He as support among major donors. He understands the UC system. Both there and at Zona he recruited the southland.

But give that of course he won't get the nod.

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He would be ok. We need someone who can recruit

It's happening in football: https://bearinsider.com/s/3385/cal-makes-changes-to-coaching-staff

socaltownie said:

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BearSD said:

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Can we at least have a hint about the identity of this future head coach identified by multiple large donors?

Is it someone who has previously kicked a Cal basketball player?

;-)

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Yup

For those that need a history lesson there was strong rumors that the Kicker was strongly backed by several large donors. He is known with his connection to the Braun family (and of course his stint as an assistant).

For those counting at home his Gaucho's are 2-0.

Honestly he checks ALL the boxes. He has shown at UCSB the ability to win. He has a prior Cal Connection. He as support among major donors. He understands the UC system. Both there and at Zona he recruited the southland.

But give that of course he won't get the nod.

However, I would be SHOCKED if the dismissal happens this week. Basketball loses money. It isn't going to suddenly MAKE money with a coaching change (I assume that the variables on the revenue are pretty minimal after season tixs are accounted for. Concessions are not a huge net profit).

But here is how bad it is. I COULD go to the game tomorrow. 20 minute drive from the Casa. SCT Jr. is interested in UCSD so nice excuse to visit campus again for an event.

But I am "meh". Maybe game time decision......

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Kicker is also Roxy's brother-in-law.

Go to the game and give us a report since many of us don't have ESPN+.

KoreAmBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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BearSD said:

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Can we at least have a hint about the identity of this future head coach identified by multiple large donors?

Is it someone who has previously kicked a Cal basketball player?

;-)

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Yup

For those that need a history lesson there was strong rumors that the Kicker was strongly backed by several large donors. He is known with his connection to the Braun family (and of course his stint as an assistant).

For those counting at home his Gaucho's are 2-0.

Honestly he checks ALL the boxes. He has shown at UCSB the ability to win. He has a prior Cal Connection. He as support among major donors. He understands the UC system. Both there and at Zona he recruited the southland.

But give that of course he won't get the nod.

However, I would be SHOCKED if the dismissal happens this week. Basketball loses money. It isn't going to suddenly MAKE money with a coaching change (I assume that the variables on the revenue are pretty minimal after season tixs are accounted for. Concessions are not a huge net profit).

But here is how bad it is. I COULD go to the game tomorrow. 20 minute drive from the Casa. SCT Jr. is interested in UCSD so nice excuse to visit campus again for an event.

But I am "meh". Maybe game time decision......

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Kicker is also Roxy's brother-in-law.

Go to the game and give us a report since many of us don't have ESPN+.

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Probably will. I have a work thing that lasts till 530. Hopefully make it over.....

socaltownie said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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BearSD said:

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Can we at least have a hint about the identity of this future head coach identified by multiple large donors?

Is it someone who has previously kicked a Cal basketball player?

;-)

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Yup

For those that need a history lesson there was strong rumors that the Kicker was strongly backed by several large donors. He is known with his connection to the Braun family (and of course his stint as an assistant).

For those counting at home his Gaucho's are 2-0.

Honestly he checks ALL the boxes. He has shown at UCSB the ability to win. He has a prior Cal Connection. He as support among major donors. He understands the UC system. Both there and at Zona he recruited the southland.

But give that of course he won't get the nod.

However, I would be SHOCKED if the dismissal happens this week. Basketball loses money. It isn't going to suddenly MAKE money with a coaching change (I assume that the variables on the revenue are pretty minimal after season tixs are accounted for. Concessions are not a huge net profit).

But here is how bad it is. I COULD go to the game tomorrow. 20 minute drive from the Casa. SCT Jr. is interested in UCSD so nice excuse to visit campus again for an event.

But I am "meh". Maybe game time decision......

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Kicker is also Roxy's brother-in-law.

Go to the game and give us a report since many of us don't have ESPN+.

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Probably will. I have a work thing that lasts till 530. Hopefully make it over.....

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I'm curious to see if they are going to pack the gym out as a chance to beat Cal two years in a row? This could be the sports event of the year for them.

BTW - given UCSD's first 2 games we would be HORRIBLE if we lost to the Tritons.

tequila4kapp said:

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Not firing coaches mid-season is a noble but antiquated way of thinking that is tied to the old college sports model. Now that the revenue sports are effectively professional and players have almost unrestricted ability to move around you simply cannot let a clearly incompetent coach stay on, just for the sake of finishing the season. Doing so demonstrates a level of indifference that will lead to players departing, which creates a full rebuild.

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It's probably a full rebuild regardless. Based on Friday night, I don't see one player on this roster that I would have all that much concern if they left. Maybe if we get someone younger and more dynamic, we can attract some guys through the portal who aren't getting expected playing time where they're at.

stu said:

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BeachedBear said:

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stu said:

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Much as I think we need a coaching change I'm not in favor of mid-season firing unless some kind of malfeasance is involved.

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Usually, I agree with this, but the last time Cal did this, I think we made a sweet 16 run?...

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Aside from ethical questions I'd ask:

Has Fox lost the team? Is it falling apart from internal dissension?

Is the situation similar? Do we have enough talent to reach the top half of the PAC-12?

Who would we hire at this time? Where would we find a great long-term coach? How much better would a temp do?

How did the rushed hiring of Bozeman work out in the long run?

My answers are all negative.

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First off, I was just kidding. Ethically, you and I are on the same page, but there are pragmatic reasons to avoid mid-season terminations as well - mainly because the candidate pool is limited. But to your asks . . .

Lost the team? I have no way of knowing. The body language of the players isn't as bad as Jones - so no? But the prior case of which I was kidding - there was outright player revolt including going to the AD to complain about Campy verbally abusing the players.

Talent? That sweet 16 team was loaded with talent. I've coached with both Campy and Bozeman. Campy was a better X/O guy. Bozeman was a better recruiter and emotional team builder - the latter of which is all that team needed to succeed.

Who to hire? see my pragmatic point above.

Bozeman long run? Oh the stories I could tell . . . Bozeman, however was aware of his shortcomings and had some pretty good assistants on his staff. But in the long run, I thought Braun was better than either Campy or Bozeman. Yes - in the long run, I think Cal was better off getting rid of Campy when they did.

So Yeah, unless Monty is chomping at the bit to save the program - or Coach K wants to come out of retirement - I don't think anything's going to happen this week.

Jeff82 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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Not firing coaches mid-season is a noble but antiquated way of thinking that is tied to the old college sports model. Now that the revenue sports are effectively professional and players have almost unrestricted ability to move around you simply cannot let a clearly incompetent coach stay on, just for the sake of finishing the season. Doing so demonstrates a level of indifference that will lead to players departing, which creates a full rebuild.

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It's probably a full rebuild regardless. Based on Friday night, I don't see one player on this roster that I would have all that much concern if they left. Maybe if we get someone younger and more dynamic, we can attract some guys through the portal who aren't getting expected playing time where they're at.

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The two guys I believe that have the most upside are Newell and Okafor. Can build around them.

Bad players wont transfer as they wont get playing time anywhere else.

As far as I can see we might have as many as 5 players graduate. Two spots will be taken by Rodney and Devin. That would give an incoming coach 3 spots to work the portal with, which is pretty solid.

BeachedBear said:

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... Campy was a better X/O guy. Bozeman was a better recruiter and emotional team builder - the latter of which is all that team needed to succeed.

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Maybe we should have hired Kidd instead of Bozeman.
Was Kidd old enough to sign a contract? Can you have a player-coach in college?

BeachedBear said:

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... So Yeah, unless Monty is chomping at the bit to save the program - or Coach K wants to come out of retirement - I don't think anything's going to happen this week.

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How about Montgomery comes in for just the remainder of this season in exchange for a load of cash and an agreement to hire DeCuire in April?

stu said:

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BeachedBear said:

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... Campy was a better X/O guy. Bozeman was a better recruiter and emotional team builder - the latter of which is all that team needed to succeed.

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Maybe we should have hired Kidd instead of Bozeman.
Was Kidd old enough to sign a contract? Can you have a player-coach in college?

BeachedBear said:

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... So Yeah, unless Monty is chomping at the bit to save the program - or Coach K wants to come out of retirement - I don't think anything's going to happen this week.

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How about Montgomery comes in for just the remainder of this season in exchange for a load of cash and an agreement to hire DeCuire in April?

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Kidd was effectively the coach and the AD (if I remember correctly, he's the one who wanted Lou gone).

Say what you will about his intelligence, but the guy is a basketball savant.

Firing Lou was the only good thing that Bockrath did.

philbert said:

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Firing Lou was the only good thing that Bockrath did.

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He did the primary thing he was hired to do - merge men and women athletics

ncbears said:

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He did the primary thing he was hired to do - merge men and women athletics

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That he did. But why did he let Bruce Snyder go?

KoreAmBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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BearSD said:

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Can we at least have a hint about the identity of this future head coach identified by multiple large donors?



Is it someone who has previously kicked a Cal basketball player?

;-)

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Yup

For those that need a history lesson there was strong rumors that the Kicker was strongly backed by several large donors. He is known with his connection to the Braun family (and of course his stint as an assistant).

For those counting at home his Gaucho's are 2-0.

Honestly he checks ALL the boxes. He has shown at UCSB the ability to win. He has a prior Cal Connection. He as support among major donors. He understands the UC system. Both there and at Zona he recruited the southland.

But give that of course he won't get the nod.

However, I would be SHOCKED if the dismissal happens this week. Basketball loses money. It isn't going to suddenly MAKE money with a coaching change (I assume that the variables on the revenue are pretty minimal after season tixs are accounted for. Concessions are not a huge net profit).

But here is how bad it is. I COULD go to the game tomorrow. 20 minute drive from the Casa. SCT Jr. is interested in UCSD so nice excuse to visit campus again for an event.

But I am "meh". Maybe game time decision......

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Kicker is also Roxy's brother-in-law.

Go to the game and give us a report since many of us don't have ESPN+.

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Probably will. I have a work thing that lasts till 530. Hopefully make it over.....

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I'm curious to see if they are going to pack the gym out as a chance to beat Cal two years in a row? This


could be the sports event of the year for them.

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Cal BB is a joke!!! Even UCSD won't get too excited beating the Bears.
Mater Dei would probably even yawn…

stu said:

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ncbears said:

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He did the primary thing he was hired to do - merge men and women athletics

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That he did. But why did he let Bruce Snyder go?

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Because he was told to do so by Tien. Tien felt that no coach should be the highest paid employee. He dictated the end of Snyder's tenure. Bockrath was just the messenger.

Alkiadt said:

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stu said:

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ncbears said:

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He did the primary thing he was hired to do - merge men and women athletics

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That he did. But why did he let Bruce Snyder go?

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Because he was told to do so by Tien. Tien felt that no coach should be the highest paid employee. He dictated the end of Snyder's tenure. Bockrath was just the messenger.

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Yes, though I actually think that if Bockrath had just promoted Mooch he could have held the recruiting class together and we would have gone on to even greater heights. Instead he hired Gilby and we still did well until the inevitable, the huge sucking gravity of Gilby killed all our upward momentum and we plummeted back down to the depths.

What was funny was when UW later hired Gilby saying it was Cal that made him bad. Many say that about Wilcox. I sure wish Oregon had gotten the chance to find out.

annarborbear said:

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Knowlton will look through his Rolodex and see if he can find a former ice hockey coach to take over.

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calumnus said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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BearSD said:

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Can we at least have a hint about the identity of this future head coach identified by multiple large donors?

Is it someone who has previously kicked a Cal basketball player?

;-)

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Yup

For those that need a history lesson there was strong rumors that the Kicker was strongly backed by several large donors. He is known with his connection to the Braun family (and of course his stint as an assistant).

For those counting at home his Gaucho's are 2-0.

Honestly he checks ALL the boxes. He has shown at UCSB the ability to win. He has a prior Cal Connection. He as support among major donors. He understands the UC system. Both there and at Zona he recruited the southland.

But give that of course he won't get the nod.

However, I would be SHOCKED if the dismissal happens this week. Basketball loses money. It isn't going to suddenly MAKE money with a coaching change (I assume that the variables on the revenue are pretty minimal after season tixs are accounted for. Concessions are not a huge net profit).

But here is how bad it is. I COULD go to the game tomorrow. 20 minute drive from the Casa. SCT Jr. is interested in UCSD so nice excuse to visit campus again for an event.

But I am "meh". Maybe game time decision......

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Kicker is also Roxy's brother-in-law.

Go to the game and give us a report since many of us don't have ESPN+.

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Despite the objections of many here, I thought Todd Golden, who succeed Kyle Smith at San Francisco, would be a great hire for us. His USF teams looked VERY well coached. Mark Few level. "Not good enough for Cal" but now he is at Florida. We will see how he does there.

Pasternak? Not really impressed with his coaching, but if the donors like him so much they are willing to give him a huge pile of money for buying players, that might work. It would be better than this.

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I don't remember many objections to Golden on this board. Maybe more of the 'we aren't even good enough to get him' vibes, but objections? Or perhaps - we can't move that quickly to catch a rising up and comer.

calumnus said:

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Alkiadt said:

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stu said:

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ncbears said:

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He did the primary thing he was hired to do - merge men and women athletics

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That he did. But why did he let Bruce Snyder go?

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Because he was told to do so by Tien. Tien felt that no coach should be the highest paid employee. He dictated the end of Snyder's tenure. Bockrath was just the messenger.

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Yes, though I actually think that if Bockrath had just promoted Mooch he could have held the recruiting class together and we would have gone on to even greater heights. Instead he hired Gilby and we still did well until the inevitable, the huge sucking gravity of Gilby killed all our upward momentum and we plummeted back down to the depths.

What was funny was when UW later hired Gilby saying it was Cal that made him bad. Many say that about Wilcox. I sure wish Oregon had gotten the chance to find out.

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Just ignore what I wrote below. It doesn't add anything to the conversation.

I'd never defend Bockrath, but the Gilby hire looked pretty good at the time. I lived up near Seattle then and those UW teams were really good and people gave Gilby most of the credit for the offensive side. In some ways, he was a precursor to Dykes; he really didn't want to be at Cal. Of course once he got his chance to be HC for the Huskies, he proved irrefutably that he couldn't hack it.

BeachedBear said:

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calumnus said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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BearSD said:

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Can we at least have a hint about the identity of this future head coach identified by multiple large donors?

Is it someone who has previously kicked a Cal basketball player?

;-)

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Yup

For those that need a history lesson there was strong rumors that the Kicker was strongly backed by several large donors. He is known with his connection to the Braun family (and of course his stint as an assistant).

For those counting at home his Gaucho's are 2-0.

Honestly he checks ALL the boxes. He has shown at UCSB the ability to win. He has a prior Cal Connection. He as support among major donors. He understands the UC system. Both there and at Zona he recruited the southland.

But give that of course he won't get the nod.

However, I would be SHOCKED if the dismissal happens this week. Basketball loses money. It isn't going to suddenly MAKE money with a coaching change (I assume that the variables on the revenue are pretty minimal after season tixs are accounted for. Concessions are not a huge net profit).

But here is how bad it is. I COULD go to the game tomorrow. 20 minute drive from the Casa. SCT Jr. is interested in UCSD so nice excuse to visit campus again for an event.

But I am "meh". Maybe game time decision......

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Kicker is also Roxy's brother-in-law.

Go to the game and give us a report since many of us don't have ESPN+.

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Despite the objections of many here, I thought Todd Golden, who succeed Kyle Smith at San Francisco, would be a great hire for us. His USF teams looked VERY well coached. Mark Few level. "Not good enough for Cal" but now he is at Florida. We will see how he does there.

Pasternak? Not really impressed with his coaching, but if the donors like him so much they are willing to give him a huge pile of money for buying players, that might work. It would be better than this.

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I don't remember many objections to Golden on this board. Maybe more of the 'we aren't even good enough to get him' vibes, but objections? Or perhaps - we can't move that quickly to catch a rising up and comer.

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I think the objections here would have been his age/lack of P5 experience (especially if you look at BearGreg's comment here or elsewhere that we shouldn't hire anyone who hasn't shown proven ability to recruit well at the P5 level). I think that's too stringent, as Florida, a program with infinitely more recent success than Cal, thought his experience was sufficient.

BeachedBear said:

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calumnus said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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BearSD said:

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Can we at least have a hint about the identity of this future head coach identified by multiple large donors?

Is it someone who has previously kicked a Cal basketball player?

;-)

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Yup

For those that need a history lesson there was strong rumors that the Kicker was strongly backed by several large donors. He is known with his connection to the Braun family (and of course his stint as an assistant).

For those counting at home his Gaucho's are 2-0.

Honestly he checks ALL the boxes. He has shown at UCSB the ability to win. He has a prior Cal Connection. He as support among major donors. He understands the UC system. Both there and at Zona he recruited the southland.

But give that of course he won't get the nod.

However, I would be SHOCKED if the dismissal happens this week. Basketball loses money. It isn't going to suddenly MAKE money with a coaching change (I assume that the variables on the revenue are pretty minimal after season tixs are accounted for. Concessions are not a huge net profit).

But here is how bad it is. I COULD go to the game tomorrow. 20 minute drive from the Casa. SCT Jr. is interested in UCSD so nice excuse to visit campus again for an event.

But I am "meh". Maybe game time decision......

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Kicker is also Roxy's brother-in-law.

Go to the game and give us a report since many of us don't have ESPN+.

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Despite the objections of many here, I thought Todd Golden, who succeed Kyle Smith at San Francisco, would be a great hire for us. His USF teams looked VERY well coached. Mark Few level. "Not good enough for Cal" but now he is at Florida. We will see how he does there.

Pasternak? Not really impressed with his coaching, but if the donors like him so much they are willing to give him a huge pile of money for buying players, that might work. It would be better than this.

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I don't remember many objections to Golden on this board. Maybe more of the 'we aren't even good enough to get him' vibes, but objections? Or perhaps - we can't move that quickly to catch a rising up and comer.

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I recall more objections towards Kyle Smith although it's hard to tell if he was ever really considered. I like/liked him. Good personality, his teams are well coached, experience at academic institutions, smart dude that employs analytics. However, he's kinda goofy looking which I think turned people off. Who cares!

calumnus said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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BearSD said:

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Can we at least have a hint about the identity of this future head coach identified by multiple large donors?

Is it someone who has previously kicked a Cal basketball player?

;-)

---

Yup

For those that need a history lesson there was strong rumors that the Kicker was strongly backed by several large donors. He is known with his connection to the Braun family (and of course his stint as an assistant).

For those counting at home his Gaucho's are 2-0.

Honestly he checks ALL the boxes. He has shown at UCSB the ability to win. He has a prior Cal Connection. He as support among major donors. He understands the UC system. Both there and at Zona he recruited the southland.

But give that of course he won't get the nod.

However, I would be SHOCKED if the dismissal happens this week. Basketball loses money. It isn't going to suddenly MAKE money with a coaching change (I assume that the variables on the revenue are pretty minimal after season tixs are accounted for. Concessions are not a huge net profit).

But here is how bad it is. I COULD go to the game tomorrow. 20 minute drive from the Casa. SCT Jr. is interested in UCSD so nice excuse to visit campus again for an event.

But I am "meh". Maybe game time decision......

---

Kicker is also Roxy's brother-in-law.

Go to the game and give us a report since many of us don't have ESPN+.

---

Despite the objections of many here, I thought Todd Golden, who succeed Kyle Smith at San Francisco, would be a great hire for us. His USF teams looked VERY well coached. Mark Few level. "Not good enough for Cal" but now he is at Florida. We will see how he does there.

Pasternak? Not really impressed with his coaching, but if the donors like him so much they are willing to give him a huge pile of money for buying players, that might work. It would be better than this.

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If anyone likes anyone else enough to make it happen and we rid ourselves of Fox I'm all for it, even if they fail miserably.

calumnus said:

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Alkiadt said:

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stu said:

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ncbears said:

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He did the primary thing he was hired to do - merge men and women athletics

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That he did. But why did he let Bruce Snyder go?

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Because he was told to do so by Tien. Tien felt that no coach should be the highest paid employee. He dictated the end of Snyder's tenure. Bockrath was just the messenger.

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Yes, though I actually think that if Bockrath had just promoted Mooch he could have held the recruiting class together and we would have gone on to even greater heights.

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Rashaan salaam

ducky23 said:

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calumnus said:

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Alkiadt said:

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stu said:

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ncbears said:

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He did the primary thing he was hired to do - merge men and women athletics

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That he did. But why did he let Bruce Snyder go?

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Because he was told to do so by Tien. Tien felt that no coach should be the highest paid employee. He dictated the end of Snyder's tenure. Bockrath was just the messenger.

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Yes, though I actually think that if Bockrath had just promoted Mooch he could have held the recruiting class together and we would have gone on to even greater heights.

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Rashaan salaam

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Yes, and Jake Plummer.

What would be the point of rotating the coaching carousel to the next woefully incompetent coach? We need major structural changes to our entire FB, MBB, and WBB programs so that all three are competing for conference championships instead of battling just to avoid the basements.

southseasbear said:

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ducky23 said:

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calumnus said:

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Alkiadt said:

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stu said:

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ncbears said:

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He did the primary thing he was hired to do - merge men and women athletics

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That he did. But why did he let Bruce Snyder go?

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Because he was told to do so by Tien. Tien felt that no coach should be the highest paid employee. He dictated the end of Snyder's tenure. Bockrath was just the messenger.

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Yes, though I actually think that if Bockrath had just promoted Mooch he could have held the recruiting class together and we would have gone on to even greater heights.

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Rashaan salaam

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Yes, and Jake Plummer.

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Though we still had Russell White, Lindsey Champman, Dave Barr, Sean Dawkins, Iheanyi Uwaezuoke, Mike Caldwell….