Agreed and JP remains interested, but now so are other P5 conf programs. Nothing will be near term, done/advanced/discussed etc out of focus on his program and respect toward both staff's/dept's.socaltownie said:
For those scoring at home ucsb is 12 and 2 and leading the big west. Of course jk will screw this up but of there was ever an obvious hire.......
HoopDreams said:
interesting Kelly's numbers are down compared to last year
He's played 2 fewer minutes, but has 4 fewer points on 2% less shooting efficiency (taken zero threes), and a surprising 2 fewer rebounds, all against weaker competition
MSaviolives said:
The California Golden Bears are 2-1 so far in the "Conference of Champions": the Mighty Pac 12 (soon to be P-Something Else) Conference.
Sure. But we are NOT getting Gates. That ship has long since sailed. I am not sure he remains at Mizzu for that long but they do have SEC $.calumnus said:
Dennis Gates has Missouri at 13-2 and ranked #20 with the #3 offense in the country according to Ken Pom (just ahead of Mark Few's Gonzaga).
Ken Pom has UCSB at #97 with the #126 offense and #91 defense.
Of course Cal has moved up to #203 with the #226 and the #172 defense.
Yes, thank you. Gates is locked in. He's getting national pub for his ranked team. Probably has an immense buyout. Also, we have little evidence that he's interested in the Cal job. As far as I know, he has had very little connection to the program since he left. The only thing I recall was his interview with Mike Williams, before Wyking was hired, and the AD side of the story was he unprepared for the interview. (consider the source on this). Also, Gates' coaching footprint is not on the West Coast; Florida St., Cleveland St. and now Mizzou.socaltownie said:
Sure. But we are NOT getting Gates. That ship has long since sailed. I am not sure he remains at Mizzu for that long but they do have SEC $.
KenPom isn't any good for mid-majors. That is where we are getting our next head coach - unless you think hiring Fox #2 because we want a candidate with P5 experience is another good idea ;-(
3 other boxesBC Calfan said:Yes, thank you. Gates is locked in. He's getting national pub for his ranked team. Probably has an immense buyout. Also, we have little evidence that he's interested in the Cal job. As far as I know, he has had very little connection to the program since he left. The only thing I recall was his interview with Mike Williams, before Wyking was hired, and the AD side of the story was he unprepared for the interview. (consider the source on this). Also, Gates' coaching footprint is not on the West Coast; Florida St., Cleveland St. and now Mizzou.socaltownie said:
Sure. But we are NOT getting Gates. That ship has long since sailed. I am not sure he remains at Mizzu for that long but they do have SEC $.
KenPom isn't any good for mid-majors. That is where we are getting our next head coach - unless you think hiring Fox #2 because we want a candidate with P5 experience is another good idea ;-(
It will be a shame if we lose out on Pasternack too. He checks so many boxes for us but the most important one is he actually desires the job. If he continues his successful season at UCSB, I could see him taking a Pac-12 job next year. Furd, UW, Oregon St. and even USC could be hiring.
Depends on what the search firm feeds JKsocaltownie said:Sure. But we are NOT getting Gates. That ship has long since sailed. I am not sure he remains at Mizzu for that long but they do have SEC $.calumnus said:
Dennis Gates has Missouri at 13-2 and ranked #20 with the #3 offense in the country according to Ken Pom (just ahead of Mark Few's Gonzaga).
Ken Pom has UCSB at #97 with the #126 offense and #91 defense.
Of course Cal has moved up to #203 with the #226 and the #172 defense.
KenPom isn't any good for mid-majors. That is where we are getting our next head coach - unless you think hiring Fox #2 because we want a candidate with P5 experience is another good idea ;-(
I agree that we missed out on Gates and are unlikely to ever attract him. There was a narrow window of opportunity at the end of last season. We would have needed to fire Fox and make an attractive offer to Gates before anyone else got to him. We did neither and have now missed out on an outstanding scholar, athlete, and coach who could have turned our program around. Missouri has shown that it will pay what it takes to attract a top coach. If Gates continues to succeed, he will get a raise soon. The only way I see him leaving Missouri is if a blue blood program comes after him.BC Calfan said:Yes, thank you. Gates is locked in. He's getting national pub for his ranked team. Probably has an immense buyout. Also, we have little evidence that he's interested in the Cal job. As far as I know, he has had very little connection to the program since he left. The only thing I recall was his interview with Mike Williams, before Wyking was hired, and the AD side of the story was he unprepared for the interview. (consider the source on this). Also, Gates' coaching footprint is not on the West Coast; Florida St., Cleveland St. and now Mizzou.socaltownie said:
Sure. But we are NOT getting Gates. That ship has long since sailed. I am not sure he remains at Mizzu for that long but they do have SEC $.
KenPom isn't any good for mid-majors. That is where we are getting our next head coach - unless you think hiring Fox #2 because we want a candidate with P5 experience is another good idea ;-(
It will be a shame if we lose out on Pasternack too. He checks so many boxes for us but the most important one is he actually desires the job. If he continues his successful season at UCSB, I could see him taking a Pac-12 job next year. Furd, UW, Oregon St. and even USC could be hiring.
Thanks for the reminder (I guess). So much forgettable about this season I had already put those weird early conference games out of my mind.drizzlybear said:MSaviolives said:
The California Golden Bears are 2-1 so far in the "Conference of Champions": the Mighty Pac 12 (soon to be P-Something Else) Conference.
Unfortunately, that's not so. Cal played two conference games in December and lost them both. So we're 2-3 rn.
MSaviolives said:Thanks for the reminder (I guess). So much forgettable about this season I had already put those weird early conference games out of my mind.drizzlybear said:MSaviolives said:
The California Golden Bears are 2-1 so far in the "Conference of Champions": the Mighty Pac 12 (soon to be P-Something Else) Conference.
Unfortunately, that's not so. Cal played two conference games in December and lost them both. So we're 2-3 rn.
A year or two ago we played Oregon State in an early non-conference game because COVID had sidelined the Bear' 'opponent at a tournament but OSU was available. Weird times we live in.
socaltownie said:Sure. But we are NOT getting Gates. That ship has long since sailed. I am not sure he remains at Mizzu for that long but they do have SEC $.calumnus said:
Dennis Gates has Missouri at 13-2 and ranked #20 with the #3 offense in the country according to Ken Pom (just ahead of Mark Few's Gonzaga).
Ken Pom has UCSB at #97 with the #126 offense and #91 defense.
Of course Cal has moved up to #203 with the #226 and the #172 defense.
KenPom isn't any good for mid-majors. That is where we are getting our next head coach - unless you think hiring Fox #2 because we want a candidate with P5 experience is another good idea ;-(
socaltownie said:
Pasternack is the only logical choice who will actually say yes.
calumnus said:socaltownie said:Sure. But we are NOT getting Gates. That ship has long since sailed. I am not sure he remains at Mizzu for that long but they do have SEC $.calumnus said:
Dennis Gates has Missouri at 13-2 and ranked #20 with the #3 offense in the country according to Ken Pom (just ahead of Mark Few's Gonzaga).
Ken Pom has UCSB at #97 with the #126 offense and #91 defense.
Of course Cal has moved up to #203 with the #226 and the #172 defense.
KenPom isn't any good for mid-majors. That is where we are getting our next head coach - unless you think hiring Fox #2 because we want a candidate with P5 experience is another good idea ;-(
However, we are in a new era. The main reason I could be convinced that Pasternak is the best choice is the credible assertion that he has a great relationship with, and can smooze the big donors to put up big bucks for NIL. Plus, his background at Arizona convinces me he would be good at using that NiL to bring great players to Cal.
socaltownie said:3 other boxesBC Calfan said:Yes, thank you. Gates is locked in. He's getting national pub for his ranked team. Probably has an immense buyout. Also, we have little evidence that he's interested in the Cal job. As far as I know, he has had very little connection to the program since he left. The only thing I recall was his interview with Mike Williams, before Wyking was hired, and the AD side of the story was he unprepared for the interview. (consider the source on this). Also, Gates' coaching footprint is not on the West Coast; Florida St., Cleveland St. and now Mizzou.socaltownie said:
Sure. But we are NOT getting Gates. That ship has long since sailed. I am not sure he remains at Mizzu for that long but they do have SEC $.
KenPom isn't any good for mid-majors. That is where we are getting our next head coach - unless you think hiring Fox #2 because we want a candidate with P5 experience is another good idea ;-(
It will be a shame if we lose out on Pasternack too. He checks so many boxes for us but the most important one is he actually desires the job. If he continues his successful season at UCSB, I could see him taking a Pac-12 job next year. Furd, UW, Oregon St. and even USC could be hiring.
1) He understands UC (as now a 2 time employee). While Cal has dynamics that are different they are not THAT much different than the other campuses. All have similar forms of governance. All have a pretty similar commitment to "shared governance" (aka, faculty is critically important in decision making). And, of course, as video guy Joe HAS worked at UCB so understands where to park :-)
2) He knows west coast AAU and High school. The guy has been recruiting the west coast for over 2 decades. He starts with a huge number of folks he knows.
3) He likely immediately can raise 7 figures (or perhaps even 8) for NIL. There is a group of wealthy alumni that are strongly supportive of him. No other candidate will hit the ground running in that way - while (see #1) understanding that some targets will not be good fits and so he will not waste time (nor his own brain cells) in trying to make square pegs fit in round holes.
HoopDreams said:calumnus said:socaltownie said:Sure. But we are NOT getting Gates. That ship has long since sailed. I am not sure he remains at Mizzu for that long but they do have SEC $.calumnus said:
Dennis Gates has Missouri at 13-2 and ranked #20 with the #3 offense in the country according to Ken Pom (just ahead of Mark Few's Gonzaga).
Ken Pom has UCSB at #97 with the #126 offense and #91 defense.
Of course Cal has moved up to #203 with the #226 and the #172 defense.
KenPom isn't any good for mid-majors. That is where we are getting our next head coach - unless you think hiring Fox #2 because we want a candidate with P5 experience is another good idea ;-(
However, we are in a new era. The main reason I could be convinced that Pasternak is the best choice is the credible assertion that he has a great relationship with, and can smooze the big donors to put up big bucks for NIL. Plus, his background at Arizona convinces me he would be good at using that NiL to bring great players to Cal.
I see what you did there
socaltownie said:
The key in that investigation (and why Miller skated) is that Dawkins is not a credible witness. So even if we believe the hearsey from the father we now are left with Dawkins.
If you want "win the right way" you can stick with Fox. That has worked out FANTASTIC. I actually wonder if Fox has embraced NIL - it would not at ALL suprise me that this is another thing he puts his hands on hips about and does lemon face.
I wasn't here for when the kicking incident happened, so maybe my opinion is useless. But honestly, my idea on this is to literally turn it into a positive for the program- if Pasternack becomes HC, I think he should have a whole fun, lighthearted event where Jorge is invited and "kicks" him in revenge (lightly). Get a bunch of former Cal basketball alums, invite the fans, and you can treat it like an introductory meeting with a lot of media there to take photos of all the fun. Would be way more fun than what Fox had for his opening conference, might generate some excitement and laughs for the program, and maybe the fans who are still angry about it might forgive him if they see Jorge joining in on it. Just my 2 cent idea.MilleniaBear said:
I haven't seen the kicking incident mentioned in this thread. Who did Pasternak kick? Jorge? He can begin with apologizing to Jorge.
MilleniaBear said:
I haven't seen the kicking incident mentioned in this thread. Who did Pasternak kick? Jorge? He can begin with apologizing to Jorge.
75bear said:
Pasternak's transgression seems like child's play compared to Tosh Lupoi's.
The kick looked really bad on video (especially Pasternack's facial expression). But it was one of those 'in the moment' actions, it never seemed pre-meditated or designed. I think the biggest 'oops' from the whole thing is that Joe P didn't seem contrite or ever apologized that I recall.Chapman_is_Gone said:MilleniaBear said:
I haven't seen the kicking incident mentioned in this thread. Who did Pasternak kick? Jorge? He can begin with apologizing to Jorge.
The incident was far less egregious than some Cal fans make it out to be. While I've never taken a poll, I get the feeling that the majority of Cal fans couldn't care less about the oh-so-terrible foot reflex.
calumnus said:75bear said:
Pasternak's transgression seems like child's play compared to Tosh Lupoi's.
And it was Justin Wilcox who hired Tosh just before LOI and benefited from flipping Shaq Thompson to Wilcox's LB corp at UW, yet Wilcox got a complete pass.
Alkiadt said:calumnus said:75bear said:
Pasternak's transgression seems like child's play compared to Tosh Lupoi's.
And it was Justin Wilcox who hired Tosh just before LOI and benefited from flipping Shaq Thompson to Wilcox's LB corp at UW, yet Wilcox got a complete pass.
Sarkisian hired Tosh.
HoopDreams said:
here's a refresher
